Frage von Loox:
Hello,
I have now, after a very long deliberation, the Panasonic GS 300 EC decision-S.
Actually, I had Sonyins eye focus (so far always Sony camcorders), but the technical data and design synonymous, and the many test victories have convinced me then of the Panasonic.
I would still like to know how much the GS 500 of the different GS 300, GS has been identified as the 300 in the magazines Videoaktiv than better.
Well, I hope I have done wrong with the GS 300 does not. I'll probably be able to pick up Monday at the photo retailer in my confidence.
What do you say to CSC 300 - Real Purchase?
BTW: Tolles forum am glad to have found it.
EDIT: Anyone who worked for my contribution (title), WITHOUT consulting me beforehand?
Antwort von Acer:
Yes, absolutely correct purchase. It depends on it s.was you want to do. The GS500 is obviously more expensive / better if that is to say cons.
I find that nothing you did wrong.
Ciao;).
Philip
PS: This was discussed at some length about the GS280. I think it can be synonymous to the GS300 close, right?
Antwort von steveb:
ahhh ... thank you. finally a thread for Acer and me ....
jepp. GS 300 is good choice!
Antwort von Loox:
You two are also in possession of this camcorder ... Right?
Then we will certainly be out here again and see :-)
Antwort von steveb:
naja actually we have a 280s (acer You still synonymous ?!).... we are the two who are always screaming panasonic, if someone asks again ... oh yes and the jan synonymous (mostly).
Antwort von Acer:
(acer You still synonymous?) Soon (hopefully)
Ciao;).
Antwort von kerberos:
Although I have 'only' shall mean a GS140, but would still always recommend Panasonic;)
Antwort von Acer:
Why "only"?
Antwort von Mister L.:
Hello!
I myself own the GS280, but I tested a few days ago, the GS500 to the dealer. Have I taken with a DV tape into the business and then only the GS280 with a few minutes and then filmed with the GS500. It is obviously important when AB Comparison of the same environment at the same time filming. At home, I have dubbed the two images on your PC and just get to enlightenment :-) The approximately 300 euros more for the GS500, I would have more time invested. This does not mean that the GS280/300 (differs only by dig. Input) is bad - quite the contrary. But the whole sequence with the GS500 looks rounder and more balanced. Objects in the foreground look at back-not as dark as the GS280, the overall picture is brighter and clearer. Plus the better Resolutionvon 1.07 Mio. Pixels. On the PC - Monitor the difference is clearly visible. On the television will probably not make so serious noticeable. Another plus for the GS500, the slightly better and the focal lens is much more intense. The GS 280 is inclined in low light conditions, unfortunately, to rustle. In the Picture GS500 remains relatively sharp. Of course, the 43mm lens synonymous synonymous its limits. Up there is of course no price limit in cameras. One should just be clear about what you need the camcorder. In the GS500 bothers me just a fact, namely that it has) no Ribbon Ring (same as the GS400, it can be synonymous with the zoom. With the zoom lever there is no real feeling in his fingers. My Conclusion: GS280/300 are great from the price / performance ratio, the GS500 is still a good bit better quality. The additional charge is wg in order. a better picture, but the price / performance ratio for the other two is better because the engineers at Panasonic GS500, unfortunately, have not donated Zoomringfunktion, though a focusing ring is already installed anyway.
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Antwort von Acer:
Cool, thanks for the explanation. I'm thinking to invest more money into the 500. However, staying at the 280, no price / performance ratio compared with the two.
Sooo, was much better the 500 is not so, right?
Antwort von jabone:
I think the GS 500 for a really brilliant camera, with which one can for DV - standard rotate great films.
Of course, the GS was 400 better, but with the Panasonic gs 500 (the close of the EIA will cost much less than the GS 400 cost), the level is quite high but considered miniDV camcorder.
In my opinion, the GS 500 is the best current consumer miniDV camcorder, you can get the.
Antwort von Acer:
The Canon XL2 is just a tad bit better, right?
Antwort von jabone:
Sure, but I no longer countable to the Consumercamcordern but rather semi-professional or even prosumer (as always synonymous).
Antwort von Acer:
As early as possible. In videofilmen the GS280 is equated with quality of the XL2. Wow, huh?
Antwort von Miste L.:
I found the picture much better and 300 euros more value. But now sell GS280 with the loss in order to 'buy ne new GS500 makes no sense to be genuine. One can directly compare the GS500 to the GS400 because of course, not with the 400 ne whole corner is more expensive, but instead of 4-megapixel photos (for which there are cameras?) Zoomringfunktion would have made more sense for the GS500. I give "jabon" right with his opinion. The GS500 is currently in the Mini-DV area the measure of things for the "little coal." About the XM2 I have read in guenstiger.de unfortunately a few bad reviews as far as processing and durability concerns. Film quality is to be said, however, pointed. However, no true 16:9 as far as I know - and I never want to miss since my GS280!!
Antwort von jabone:
16:9 is really, well I'm thrilled.
Frankly, I have, although I have the cam for almost a month viewed yet a 4:3 video on my calculator ().
@ Acer: This edition of the video films I've synonymous and synonymous, I was pretty surprised, but on the internet I've read opinions that the still a "little is" exaggerated. We should trust the magazines synonymous moving up too much. The important thing is what one considers the subjective of Videos and because I need for GS 500 and synonymous for GS 300 (I've seen videos) say: hats off!
But synonymous HC-96 produced one must be honest-very nice videos.
Antwort von Mister L.:
Never, and never can be the Picture of XM2 (of the test editors say it is "broadcast quality" compared) with the picture of a GS280. As one should, however, the church in the village can :-)
Antwort von jabone:
What do you mean? Do you find the Picture of the XM2 or GS 300 better? Theoretically, the XL2 would be better, but the GS has videofilmen 300 32 points in the Picture, in contrast with 30 points XM2. Certainly, such tests are doubtful, but the XM 2 is already quite advanced in years, so why should not this be possible?
Antwort von axn:
It may be that the image resolution in terms of pixels in the GS280 playing on the PC ne role. But on the normal TV that does not come to bear. Since less is sufficient for a useful picture. The XM2 has I think a 58mm lens with a light intensity of 2lux. Take your time GS280/300 and movies late at night in the dark on an illuminated window in the neighborhood (one of the next is gone) and look at auf'm the result of Pc. To run away - only noise. Since even an old SonyDCR-TRV340E (Digital8 is) to lengths better!! He's just a bigger lens and Brighter than this little "Handycam". The bigger the lens, the more light comes in - the more light the more walks in a better camcorder can evaluate the chip, the image information. That's what I mentioned synonymous with comparative between GS500 and GS280. The gradations between light / dark / Color is in the GS500 ne corner better - not least wg. the larger lens. I think TV technology makes the XM2 sensational images. For PC use, they may not be as capable.
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Antwort von Jan:
I could not believe it is synonymous, the XM 2 (approximately 1750 ¬) is the IT of the 'innards fitted "better in low light, the picture was actually quite on a par for the Pansonic GS 500 at a concert, but with the difference that the AF of the Canon in permanent red and blue spotlights really got problems, you immediately had to go to manual focus, oddly the 1000 GS had 500 ¬ Camera so fewer problems.
Yes, I Neusten synonymous since many try to make their own movies, the magazines talk s.and too often pass each other, and each says something different.
For the normal entry of 300 ¬ is too much GS GS 300 vs. 500, but who wants to work with little means somehow "prosumer", estimates the larger sensors, the focus ring, manual Tonaussteueuerung, the larger the supplied battery, the included wired remote control for Tripod , full-screen mode, etc. Cinema da gibts for the ambitious even a few treats, I find synonymous least until the severe sound problems there is no manual level control - the professional body may dispense with the function of well-off ones.
LG
January
Antwort von jabone:
I am very happy with my GS 500, if I had had more money, I'd probably SonyVX I bought 2100 or Panasonic HVX 2000th Other things do not come into question for me. Certainly, the XM is 2in some score better than the GS 500 but they gave me too many errors.
It's just not the youngest.
Antwort von Jan:
Yes man, only the ratio CCD Size / Lens miteinberechnen.
The small 1 / 4 - XM 2 or 1 / 4, 7 "CCD indeed are not even 1 cm large (powermac had the last time I believe more accurately calculated)
With the small sensors synonymous extends a GS 500 smaller optics to bring to the CCD to enough light, more importantly, the optics - the lens of fluoride XM 2 is already something special, professional photographers appreciate the L series. But since I had once synonymous, the XM 2 private, I have to say the GS 500 is better for me especially in low light.
In the earlier film was a huge 24x26 mm negative so big - there already is a difference how big the Optics is, you have to just take the digicam's look at the smaller ala Ixus synonymous with intensity 2.8 to start, just like some of the Superzoom Although the tele intensity are better, but the image quality, especially in the ¬ 300 class is not better in some way logically synonymous with 7 lenses durchzuleiten light is much easier than at 12 The need for first class lentil tempered it in the price range do not exist.
And for me, the GS 500 is already a trace of LowLight better than the GS 280 / 300, so it is not entirely fair one Comparison.
LG
January
Antwort von jabone:
The Red Company is currently developing a camcorder or a better camera with a chip size of 35mm film. This is still much better than HD (where the target but not necessarily the same), thus has (probably) the same depths (un) sharpness properties like normal 35mm camera and is sure Kinogeeignet.
I've heard of $ 17,500. A very surprising price.
Antwort von axn:
All very interesting to read ....
Now I ask myself but why the * Digital * Videoaktiv in your scores, which assessed the current GS 300 as Best Mini-DV of Panansonic, with the best image result?
Comparison to the DVR-D 300, the GS 500, even a much worse noise performance and the Bledensteuerung is poorly judged.
Letztednlich the image test was very good, good) as for the other test candidates synonymous, except Sony, Canon and JVC (.
The test but with elaborate methods .... and can not go wrong synonymous so much - right?
However that may be synonymous, I even think that it is all very marginal and mostly of a purely subjective feeling of each individual depends.
Certainly both GS 300 and GS 500 are very good camcorder ....
Antwort von Mister L.:
Why does the GS300 is better classified, I can not explain, for the GS500 is equipped definitely better and more comprehensive. If a determined Editorial error in the creation of so-called "scores". I have found another forum from the states compared with the two camcorders 300 / 500. So if the English language is powerful ....;-) The Beitrsg is well written and contains lots of screenshots of the two cameras aand downloadable sample videos. Here is the link:
[/ url] http://www.pana3ccduser.com/article.php?filename=Review:-GS300-and-GS500-3CCD-Camcorders
The Page, scroll down a bit.
Antwort von Mister L.:
UPS, you can add here any direct links?
2. Expt
http://www.pana3ccduser.com/article.php?filename=Review:-GS300-and-GS500-3CCD-Camcorders
Antwort von axn:
So, now, however! :-)
http://www.pana3ccduser.com/article.php?filename=Review:-GS300-and-GS500-3CCD-Camcorders
Antwort von Loox:
If a determined Editorial error in the creation of so-called "scores". No, it's definitely not. The GS 300 was rated better.
See here:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/dokumente/bestenliste.pdf As I said, above all the noise performance was rated as very bad. The test I have received here. The noise behavior and the glare of the GS-300 reaction has been better assessed by far.
The bottom line, they were both very good picture results yet rated.
That's life .....
Antwort von Mister L.:
Well, this is' s thing! The GS280 and the GS300 are still up to the dig. Input identical - right? And I can prove that the GS280 much more rushes than the GS500. I have the comparison videos and even filmed himself lying on my PC. About the link in my previous posts, you can download a lowlight comparison of the two video cameras. I myself have just looked again and still come to no other conclusion. The GS500 is much better. The PDF file "scores" is synonymous to me known, and a puzzle at the same time ... In the old testing procedures, the SonyDCR-HC1000E is synonymous better than the Panasonic NV-GS400 classified, although the Panasonic clearly has the better picture and more manual features.
Well - A friend of mine used to always say: "Trust None of the statistics you have not faked yourself" - and there is always something truth to it when it comes to product marketing. Since only helps to make themselves a Picture.
Antwort von Loox:
That's true ... I'm still here is very subjective.
Only when I read the LAPTOP here so where are the measurements, then that already speaks a clear language:
GS 300 rushing anything by 8%, the GS 500 .. 19%
But no preference, both cams are certainly very good, and which now is better, probably lies in the eye of the beholder anyway. Especially since I am firmly convinced that there are no really bad cams.
The picture with the assessment, I knew synonymous photo from 30 years of experience with SLR (Canon EOS 20D, 350D, and 5D). What one is bad, is another extremely good. Where one wants to see vignetting, the other sees nothing of the sort.
Is like expensive speakers ... What do they want (listen to the people there so everything / believe) :-))
Egal...Er / Let us rejoice simply s.den beautiful things in life .... and can test, test to be ....
Good's Nächtle ....
Antwort von Jan:
Yes you probably always get A's on it ...
Some users said a few weeks ago: Jan, do not always go according to the known test magazines, often compare the cameras himself and pull your favorite movie for the right task. Now I find the low light better impression of the GS 500 for 2 concerts, and it relies on comically's Magazine. I have never seen synonymous with no more of it myself and experienced filmmakers compete reaffirmed the special case, the GS 500 with the semi XM 2 at Low Light can.
synonymous, I was a little surprised at the low light of the GS cut 500 in the test, but not low light, there was good, satisfactory in GS 280 / 300, if I remember right? In the GS 500, there's so synonymous deduction from the AV in the previous model GS 250 still had.
LG
January
Antwort von Loox:
Sodele, since yesterday I have it now in my hands. My new GS-300.
What can I say .... Sheer excitement!
In every respect. I have not bought any Sonyand synonymous frph glad no GS 500, for which really is not * better * for the higher price. Especially since, as already written, it is significantly worse noise performance and a very slow shutter adjustment.
Anyway, the GS 300 is the measure of things in the mini-DV response - according to tests, but mainly because in the sum of all the properties of what I wünchte me s.nächsten comes, will not, even exceeded.
I want to inflame any debate on principles, it is my opinion and decision, which I certainly have made through the study of various tests, which is indeed addressed synonymous to Messtechnichen results.
I must say, however, synonymous, is the video for me rather trivial, as is my main area of activity in the area DGITAL photography with DSLR cameras of Canon.
I am pleased to have chosen the GS-300.
Antwort von jabone:
Moment ...
The GS 300 is very good to think you ICHG.
But the GS 500 is a lot better but UMJ. I have since udn is rushing anything with. (Also, no other test, and there are some) noise mentioned except videoaktiv increased.
Nyour the GS-500 has a very good Lowlightqualität.
Probably had a strange model at Videoaktiv.
(I want only the remains are not wrong in Raucm.)
Otherwise, I am very happy for your new GS 300 and wish you much fun with it.
Antwort von steveb:
Sodele, since yesterday I have it now in my hands. My new GS-300. What can I say .... Sheer excitement! Acer! I think we get strengthening :-)
Antwort von Acer:
Yes. Tell me, Loox, such as schaeun the photos from the camera? Can you tell what reinstellen (in different size / light conditions)? That would interest me time, because the photos would not want me so bad tollsein ...* *
Antwort von Loox:
(I want only the remains are not wrong in Raucm.)
Otherwise, I am very happy for your new GS 300 and wish you much fun with it. Is not a problem ;-)
But you must not say to me, but Videoaktiv. I even think that there synonymous know what they're doing and that it must give a reason why they classified as a GS-300 more and have the GS-500 in some areas than just adequately assessed.
And if it were a camcorder * * Monday, I think that they would have made the synonymous suspicious. Surely they would then have access to another model in order to verify the test.
But no preference, as all but the * best * camcorder ....
Antwort von Loox:
Yes. Tell me, Loox, such as schaeun the photos from the camera? Can you tell what reinstellen (in different size / light conditions)? That would interest me time, because the photos would not want me so bad tollsein ...* * Hi Acer,
synonymous, I thought at first, but far from it ..... Although I am by my Spiegelrefexkameras digital (Canon EOS 20D, 350D, and 5D) something much better would, but for the quality, the 3.1 MP of the GS-300 can deliver are the photos quite usable.
I would even go so far and say that the quality can compete with any other 3-4 MP Cam, if one does not expect 100% quality.
I'll look again when I come to it, I imagine here in the next few days, even up a Stillimage.
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
Arise, as probably many before me here, before the question of 300s or 500s - I could just look at me the 300. What bothered me:
- The hand strap (but you can even pad)
- Very practical: that it is possible to focus only manually, so
if there is a thick Menukreis in Picture (on the screen, you watch no longer much!)
- What beudetet "db" for the manual aperture setting? Since you can set the aperture and this db - why?
A question for the 300 one can not disqualify the sound manual, but still in the 500s, right? Although both have no headphone jack ...?!
Many, many thanks! ANd have time excuse, if the questions were already asked once had, but times have really searched the forum and then they do not explicitly found.
Regards
Jennifer [/ list]
Antwort von jabone:
A manual sound controls like deer Gs 500 is very valuable for connecting an external microphone, since the current control often sets up and then listen to background noise.
The GS 500 has a focus ring to focus the course tausenmal practical than a joystick for.
Antwort von Acer:
Synonymous Besides, you can set an automatic focus, not just manual.
And db is the signal strength.
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
Hm .. signal strength for the Aperture? Can you explain me? I know decibel data only for sound.
What does that mean with respect to aperture or light? If I set the aperture and the shutter synonymous, what then is the value, if I also terminates db?
I was doing just a fallacy? But I've never been aware of a video camera "db" is set.
Danke schon mal!
Jennifer
Antwort von Acer:
Ne, so to speak, db is the gain value (noise at night) is the result.
Wait, I think I had a black-out.
Decibels in the Picture? No, that can not be true. So, this is a scale with different numbers (eg of 1.8 - 22), which determines the aperture. 4 = Aperture open, 22 = almost closed.
You have at Panasonic GS300 just always such a scale, with which you can determine the aperture.
The closure is vorgegegben I think, I think, Jan would have to know that.
Ciao;).
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
So when I click manual "Iris" go, then the s.linken edge looks like this:
> Open (where can I set my aperture, so open - 22)
> Db (there you can adjust och then 0 to 18 -
what always synonymous) Thanks for making idea - I have found to
decibels or that it is not a physical entity in the true sense, but represents a specific computational procedure - that is, a ratio that indicates (see Wikipedia). Could it then be synonymous for the Picture and therefore for the noise, right? Well, it is quite clear to me not - why should I also want to change (to maintain low noise in low light it?)
Bye
Jennifer
Antwort von Loox:
First, to set the shutter speed 1/50-1/8000, then the aperture or the aperture gain value.
The closer is the value at close, the darker the picture, the closer the value of 18dB is more brighter the picture.
Values in dB are aperture values.
Is quite simple. RTFM
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
So, sorry, I simply can not find it, because why should I put my picture with
db lighter or darker want, but anyway even if I am doing with The Aperture and also if db is the aperture value, there are two aperture values independently , but that's just not necessary or appropriate.
Then something else must lurk behind it ...
Thank you,
Jennifer
Antwort von Loox:
Have you ever used a digital SLR Camera?
I use the Canon EOS 20D, 350D, and 5D, and all cameras, it is similar. It represents the aperture and can reinforce each fixed aperture or reduce by 1 / 3 stops. This creates within the Aperture an even higher margin and differentiated next that value.
The declaration dB I would consider more than marginal.
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
Ah! The hearing itself conclusive for me!
Ie
db is actually synonymous an aperture value. Now if I have Aperture 2, I can still set up to intermediate 2,8 - fine-tuning.
Loox, thank you! I do not know yet.
And if anyone else has experience with the manual of Focusing with the 300, please report times - thank you! The poor visibility on the display scare me off (viewfinder is very bad, as tiny).
And the focus ring the 500 drives me straight in the arms (as synonymous better light) :-).
Regards
Jennifer
Antwort von Acer:
I was with M & M in the store and got me again looked at the GS280. The Dispaly pleases me in Comparison to other camcorders, very good, the focus is just like other camcorders without ring synonymous, it is synonymous well.
price / performance is better than when GS280/300 big sister GS500.
Antwort von steveb:
And when the saved enough?
Antwort von Acer:
as soon as possible, I'd say
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
I was with M & M in the store and got me again looked at the GS280. The Dispaly pleases me in Comparison to other camcorders, very good, the focus is just like other camcorders without ring synonymous, it is synonymous well.
price / performance is better than when GS280/300 big sister GS500. Do not bother you that you have then when focusing with the focus for this circle 280/300er always "MF / MF +" on the screen and 1 / 5 of the picture, what do you want to make sharp, can not recognize?
Antwort von Acer:
No, honestly, I thought that you can focus even without this menu is only synonymous with the joystick.
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
Yes, of course, would be super ... hm, maybe that is yes.
Who has time for here ne 280/300er home? Is synonymous with no fade to focus on the screen? In addition, there is indeed still synonymous s.linken edge white balance, aperture and db-symbol, if you just make everything manual - which will then close with the view. If you really should not be able to hide.
Antwort von Acer:
This is the GS500 but then not much different, wahrscheinlcih blinds are synonymous with Rotate the focus ring a scale so that you know how far we still have to rotate. The display is not always 100% sharp.
Antwort von Loox:
And the focus ring the 500 drives me straight in the arms (as synonymous better light) :-).
Regards
Jennifer If I did not settle as much as it is often marketed of Panasonic. In practice, this is synonymous more than marginal.
The focus is synonymous with a joystick and more as well, the question remains how many of 100% you need really?
Better light, for sure, on paper, but when testing a different language to speak - is therefore more likely to neglect synonymous.
Do not bother you that you have then when focusing with the focus for this circle 280/300er always "MF / MF +" on the screen and 1 / 5 of the picture, what do you want to make sharp, can not recognize? Could it be that you are literally looking for things that might upset you? Where's that again a problem? Somewhere you have to get information but the resources needed for recruitment, because a display has the Cam not. One must compromise, just design speed.
I stood before the same issues and have decided for the GS-300 and that was more than right.
But everyone should know what he wants and needs and ultimately synonymous buys :-))
Antwort von Loox:
This is the GS500 but then not much different, wahrscheinlcih blinds are synonymous with Rotate the focus ring a scale so that you know how far we still have to rotate. The display is not always 100% sharp. This is of course at the 500 exactly the same as the menu and the handling (with the focus settings) is almost 100% identical.
Antwort von Acer:
@ Jennifer:
You see, everything will go well with our GS280;.
Antwort von Acer:
@ Loox:
How then are the images of the GS300 in TL and LL?
You can vllt. Write a test? I know this is asking a lot, but you would bother trying Amchem and future GS280/300-Besitzern facilitate the election?
Antwort von Loox:
@ Acer
Pictures with you now think the photos?
I will try, but my time is just not very big. From Tuesday, I again have a long service (doctor) in front of me and then my family always goes before :-))
Does it want to but if my time permits try ....
Antwort von Acer:
I have you never been harassed. Yes, I really mean both (photos / videos), so everything with schnicki schanxcki and brummi Bummi and then around it.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Because it is about the concept but dB seems to be quite considerable confusion, here again, the really quite simple explanation: Neither has anything to do s.sich dB with the Aperture nor is it an intermediate or fine-tune it.
The dB value is but the degree of electronic amplification of the image signal (= whitening on), with a Picture where you can still get lighter, even when the aperture is already wide open. In analog photography, this would correspond to the practical use of a more sensitive film, and brings much the same disadvantages as synonymous with the noise.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Loox:
In analog photography, this would correspond to the practical use of a more sensitive film, and brings much the same disadvantages as synonymous with the noise.
Gruß Bernd E. And in digital photography DSLR is called something like ISO setting.
If, however, equate with a more highly sensitive film in the analog past.
Properly used, it generally brings no disadvantages!
Antwort von Acer:
Properly used, it generally brings no disadvantages! That I do not understand. If I do anything digitally brighten, I still get a stronger rushing car. What is not it un-disadvantageous?
Antwort von Loox:
And why have DSLR cameras, ISO speeds up beyond the 1600?
Because you can photograph creatively so that if one knows to use these values. One just needs to know what you want to reach them.
Since we are here, but in a video forum, it fits well here not enter.
Antwort von jabone:
It was synonymous with video benefits: 1 The picture is brighter
2. noise is not always synonymous (not always!) bad if you want to have it targeted.
Antwort von Loox:
It was synonymous with video benefits: 1 The picture is brighter
2. noise is not always synonymous (not always!) bad if you want to have it targeted. That is what I meant :-)) This is called creativity.
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
Bzgl. 500s-300s and purchase again.
@ Loox: So you have a bit anscheind unmasked my subconscious ;-). I've talked to probably 500 synonymous beautiful. My goodness, what a return and Her
In the
500 impresses me, however,
see the following
to 280/300er: - 12X zoom (rather than 10-fold)
- Chips 1070 pixels T (T instead of 800 pixels)
- F 1.6 (instead of 1.8)
- Focal length starting at 42mm approx 16:9 (instead of 47.1 mm)
- Focus ring
But I'm not sure if I like it 250EUR worth more. Since you have been right price / performance is on the 300's better.
Here in Hildesheim, there is a dealer "Stillimage-Erhardt" of the 500 and 969EUR for the 300 sold for 704EUR. Get it spontaneously s.Dienstag spot, decide to test direct and Comparison.
Well, everyone needs to stop really know myself ... :-) as always.
Thanks for all the answers so far!
Jennifer
Antwort von spontanheli:
Hello Jennifer,
Take the 300 and invest in a cute bag and maybe a Manfrotto tripod. For the rest of you then go for a meal and still send you glad that you got everything.
Seriously, you will not regret the purchase of a 300.
Antwort von Acer:
The same, I would make synonymous, Jennifer. You do not want to be a professional filmmaker. The GS500 would be a bit high and you need to know WHAT you're doing. When I grow, the GS280 comes, a smart battery, 'ne tolle this bag and one or AMnfrotto Velbon Tripod. Then I go to the Adlon for a night with the überbleibendne Money and schlfe through once;.)
Antwort von Jan:
Yes, the GS 280 / 500 work in the auto synonymous with a gain, even in harsh lighting conditions of ca 11 DB. Experienced filmmakers say, "A noisy picture is better than a bright, almost black ..."
Yes the gain of the sensor's at the expense of image noise, with one more sensor (CMOS SonyPC 1000), the other less (Fuji Super CCD).
The manual level control (for Soundtüftli's), the wired remote
The GS 500 is not synonymous bad, eg in order to not tie to the tripod when shooting with pans and with plenty of hand Einstellwarscheinlichkeit problems get.
We have only 2 hands, but several functions to operate - the s.mehreren places a hand for Rec, zoom, focus etc and one can even be annoying to pan, if it goes away quickly it on consumer cameras during a / zoom - I recently happened - a little too fast / firm is pressed the zoom lever - that's why semi Cameras Focus / zoom, good front row quickly changed.
The larger enclosed Battery CGA DU 14 is synonymous nice, just like the 25 P - Cinema Effect movie.
In the whole, the majority of GS 180 buy / 280
LG
January
Antwort von Acer:
The larger battery supplied CGA DU 14 is synonymous nice
That is no preference, one buys anyway to run an extra battery.
Antwort von Mister L.:
Hallöchen!
Man, again you can not look into the forum 2 days and again this discussion with the GS280/300 vs. GS500 :-) Have the wedding of a friend last Friday with the GS280 filmed - and indeed inside and outside. Furthermore, I have my tape to a concert filmed (from the tripod in nearby console off - I had to sing ;-) yes. And now my Conclusion: Who primarily during daylight hours (or good lighting) wants to film with automatic transmission, now please take the GS280. Who wants to save his also finished edited videos not only on DVD, but for "all eternity" to DV tape, which buy the GS300. If you need manual settings such as: level control (concerts, interviews), better Lowlightverhalten (parties, weddings, etc.), Focus ring, wider zoom range and of course synonymous wants to write back to DV tape, which was to decide on the GS500. I have decided and will share my GS280 for sale again. Whoever is interested, let him sign up. The GS280/300 is great - no question. In daylight, the pictures are of the GS280 and GS500 hardly differ from each other. I have seen the wedding pictures from last Friday on the TV and must say that I have seen in one or another local WDR Reportage even worse movies. But the shots of the evening wedding party are unfortunately somewhat noisy. The differences of the GS280 to the GS500 are designed for "Normalfilmer" small is beautiful. For the ambitious filmmakers, they are somewhat larger and the additional investment of approximately ¬ 300 value. I miss the 500'er although the Zoomringfunktion. I panned at the wedding with this stupid zoom lever to the GS280 which is of course something is irretrievably film scrap ... @ Jan - do you use for your concert videos to automatic mode or manual settings? Uses zus you have any converter or filter? Greeting - Lars
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Antwort von Jan:
Yes, I had to do an interview and, unfortunately, only with a cam, you should indeed zwischenzoomen rare and wild as possible to avoid / herzoomen - it looks really similar in prison. 2 cameras are better (even the long shot of the two interlocutors, even the musicians - head - by cutting merge perfect)
Unfortunately, I had only a GS 500 and had yet ranzoomen s.and, once we went too fast for my circumstances and was already "my" Turning amateurish - Graul.
The Wide Angleist eh all right for the GS 500 with 47 ° - Converter, I would not assume that I'm not used synonymous, but a bigger tripod would be useful for concerts - my Velbon DV 7000 is only 163 cm, 1.90 m would be well because: you just help out a few crates of beer to look over the crowd, if there is no podium.
Surprisingly, the GS 500 in the automatic transmission is well clear synonymous with difficult lighting conditions, even if it is constantly changing distances, you should leave the AF, manual exposure - I have not adjusted, the cam was before 1 / 50 with f 1, 6 Gain set I had to choose can, Cam has been used, but 11 / 16 DB. In Concert / interviews depending on the environment but has been taken back by 20-30 DB of audio levels.
Da gibts finally confirmed one of my GS 500 impression clearly gibts Cam's better for ¬ 2500 (VX 2100) but hardly a new one for 1000 ¬. My colleagues still clearly experienced filmmakers with XL 2 / XM were 2 / VX 2100 quite impressed, especially the XM 2 user but the most serious AF trouble concert - has bright flash / red / blue lights, they do not at all, there must now only manual be in focus in order to avoid lasting sharpness pumps.
LG
January
Antwort von judas_77:
My God, what ever happened to my input Posting Kopfschüttel * *
Antwort von Loox:
Sorry, was not logged.
Antwort von Mister L.:
Well, probably has unleashed an avalanche :-) Let's hope that is found early agreement of the subject .... Synonymous or not! Is not that the meaning and purpose of a forum ?????? Goodnight!
Antwort von jabone:
That's really good when times are compared in detail. Then, people can read through the thread and perhaps the decision easier.
I only wanted one time to correct Fhler on the GS 500:
) When focusing (focus ring is not displayed (only a tiny MF) in contrast to GS 300: there can be only with focus on the big fade.
Antwort von Jan:
Yes, one or the other synonymous learn something practical and not just the Panasonic.de data. A Beginners synonymous not know what manual Tonausteuerung is needed is yet to write about the good times the level in the GS 500 down / up + 6 DB controllable (What the majority does not need), which means you can set the level so that even if not / a cry - the level abtrifftet little in the red zone, which has then distortion / noise resulted in quiet environments or themselves, thus controlling the level will not be considered excessively high.
We had reported only that the GS 500 has a focus ring forward (Who says there's something else?), For the GS 280 / 300 If a is the distance above the joystick. Whether or focus ring for a joystick is better, everyone should probably decide yourself.
Well, the Focus Ring has no lock gelösst is not mad at Semiclassical ala DVX 100 can not be there "roll over infinity", which makes for easier manual focusing.
LG
January
Antwort von jabone:
I have now found that a manual tone controls is very important if you use an external mic.
As for the focus: Someone (I think Acer) meant when it came to the big fade when focusing via joystick, which is probably synonymous with the GS 500 as is, and I just want to improve again.
Antwort von Loox:
...... the big fade when focusing was sent by joystick, which the 500 is probably in the Gs as synonymous, and I just want to improve again. I then improves once synonymous ....
Here is an excerpt from the Manual of the 500:
Thus, the screen looks like when you empower your manual.
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Antwort von jabone:
So really, Loox. ;)
I have the GS 500 and would certainly know how the screen looks at the focus.
If you go to Manual mode, then you can open by clicking the joystick of this window, but close as well. This has nothing to do with the focus. That means you can have a blank synonymous with focussing Screen.
When set to dazzle, iris, white balance you have to call up this window, just like the GS 500th
Only if the 300 can or they will just synonymous with this window to set the focus.
Antwort von Loox:
So really, Loox. ;)
Really .... likewise.
I was only an excerpt from the manual that you will be synonymous but are certainly available. As you can see what you see.
A picture is worth a thousand words :-))
Whether you see now is more or less on the display, I look very calm umd not say that it does not affect me.
But you can overdo it's just synonymous.
What we want zerreden next??
Antwort von Jan:
Loox nimms loose, I was because of this superior attitude / mistakes viewfinder almost time away from the forum, sometimes it is synonymous not mean it, jabon only saw it otherwise. Yes, we often think only of Poor's life.
Is just like the GS 300 vs. Comparison. HC 96, each has its strengths, it is hardly ei
nen clear test winner is phenomenal in all areas.
LG
January
Antwort von jabone:
Sorry to be so mean-hab ichs echt nich wenns arrived so.
Antwort von Jan:
Sure, you should sign up, even more so if the expression does not match the pure truth.
LG
January
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
The dB value is but the degree of electronic amplification of the image signal (= whitening on), with a Picture where you can still get lighter, even when the aperture is already wide open. In analog photography, this would correspond to the practical use of a more sensitive film, and brings much the same disadvantages as synonymous with the noise.
Gruß Bernd E. Only once again - a little late - thanks for the good answer!
To all now have a camera out of the NV GS series and can set db manual.
-> How can I set only the Aperture? I find nothing in the instruction manual about this ... I always come first on the aperture setting, if I db all the way up or all down driven. But if I have understood all the explanations, I would stop after the db Belnde want, or at least have the opportunity to set just the words without leaving Aperture on db to respect (the automatic setting of db to).
So how do I get to the aperture settings without having to adjust previously db () on the display?
Regards
Jennifer
PS I bought me the way, the 500, I'm very satisfied so far, but has only once really hard time finding me employed to danit.
Antwort von Gilgamesch:
I think you can not even get out manual.
Have yourself the GS300, but not yet enough experience with it to give you now have a reasonable answer, but as I have taken it to the manual, there are only pre-programmed modes for Aperture.
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
Thanks for the reply, but I'm pretty sure you can regulate synonymous with the 300 one the Aperture manual.
Synonymous, I know how it goes in the 500, but before I can adjust the aperture (that is set to attain the corresponding display dot), Do I have the
db value. There must be some trick, I hope, as I s.den aperture (also located on the display) may not change to db. Possibly. I Handel Courser s.dieser the wrong place??
Strange ...
Greeting
Jennifer
Antwort von Jan:
Easy manual mode joystick center, then Menu 5 shutter / iris.
Shutter can be chosen more freely, Aperture / gain only in the change.
That means I can not shut the Aperture (22) away - so light, and then (in principle, increase turn up again)
. I can only select a parameter.
When I Strengthen then that is only possible with open Aperture 1.8 (1.6 GS 500) - synonymous somehow logically I reinforce the sensor take stronger noise in Purchase and then wants to close the aperture so that the camera gets even more problems when the camera would Manual Gain Aperture always open to have as much light as possible rankommt. Since the small sensors so synonymous have a large depth of field, it is not synonymous sense to Aperture 22 to go, because at the Cam's influence on the TS is not excessive, the picture quality, but makes much worse.
Semi-professional cameras can always adjust all 3 levels manual that is synonymous 1 / 50 sec Aperture with 22 and 6 DB Gain, GS Pana is the case "only" - dreams of every consumer Sony - manual shutter zb. 1 / 50 sec, Aperture manual or manual shutter zb 1/50sek Aperture 1.8 (1.6 GS 500) and manual Amplification +16 DB zb
That is when I press open in Aperture 1.6 in the same direction as of Aperture 3.4 to 1.8, I then turn to the mode and gain can set 3,6,9,11,16 etc DB.
LG
January
Antwort von Ela-Luca:
Thank you, Jan!
Now it has been clicking.
Aperture and until now I had only ever happened
db manual regulated when the aperture eh db already quite open and consequently of the auto was synonymous set already. So I had every time DB still runterfahren "to go to the aperture setting. This then led me to this fallacy ... (see above).
Then I would have now been resolved as far as synonymous for me. :-)
Nice evening
Jennifer
