Frage von fert:
Ahoi,
~ I'd just like after a two-year break to start again with the shooting of concerts. The last two years have not beobachetet I'm surprised the market and just a little when it comes to features, and not insignificantly shifted budgets.
Retrieved from "then" I have an XM2 and one Sony740er (one of the last or the last Digi8) model.
I now want to buy me another camera, indication would be either
s.Schlagzeuger film. The camera is behind the drums on a tripod, settings are made before the gig (usually completely manual because the lighting situation is usually quite nasty). The camera is not moved.
or
b) shoot the shot from the viewers point of view (that is usually positioned behind the last rows of seats). Lighting situation is no less beastly, but usually a little lighter than the drummers especially. Here too attitudes are pre-made and the camera does not move.
Features such as DV - In, Micro-In, headset jack, photo stuff, smart cards etc are absolutely no preference, I have everything already s.anderen cameras and this was not really necessary. The camera also is used to 95% in the "little" light, color fastness as such is synonymous idle, because there always exists Varied Tungsten, a global color correction is generally performed afterward. Really important to me manual controls for focus optimally (via lens ring, but that seems to remain even more expensive Modelln reserved), White Balance and even s.Besten aperture / shutter speed.
Of course, the budget is limited. Just for fun, this time I wanted to buy a Panasonic, because they're somewhat sympathetic to me and seem to be synonymous or synonymous Prices best features to have.
My real question is: Is it related to the application mentioned target each of the caliber of the 27er or 180s of more appropriate models Sonyoder Canon? 3chipper an example, I have found where that is not even on the price ...
And yes, of course, to the Picture XM2 both cameras will not fit so well, the quality of her - but experience does not do as much on the bottom line, here comes's more work on the subject and the camera, technical weaknesses of this kind would be So no big problem at all. If, however, as the 27er, the total is what wireless long shots in low light and 6-10m distance terms (where the stage is indeed usually half "lit up"), then it would be nice if I could give so someone notices.
Best Regards,
Felix
Antwort von Markus:
... and am just a bit surprised when it comes to features, and not insignificantly shifted budgets. Hello Felix,
Which camcorder should have taken you, if you wanted to spend only 250 ¬, but the price ranges would have been more like two years ago? - According to one, are you?
Excuse my irony that is certainly not bedtime better ...
The camera also is used to 95% at "low" light ... I am always surprised when I read such things. What is probably the combination of "low light" and "make possible cheaper camcorder? Some top-shots? - Then I wonder, though, why professionals with their much more expensive video cameras still lugging around a head light with him. They must indeed be totally wrong!
Okay, I know it's getting late. However, I would just shake you awake and ask: Do you honestly believe that these two requirements are compatible?
If so, read all the time:
Which camcorder to 300 ¬? - Need Advice! If, however, as the 27er, the total is what wireless long shots in low light ... Find out! Type in search, "GS27", are looking for. ;-)
Antwort von mkrawietz:
Hi Markus,
[quote = "Mark"]
I am always surprised when I read such things. What is probably the combination of "low light" and "make possible cheaper camcorder? Some top-shots? - Then I wonder, though, why professionals with their much more expensive video cameras still lugging around a head light with him. They must indeed be totally wrong!
Okay, I know it's getting late. However, I would just shake you awake and ask: Do you honestly believe that these two requirements are compatible? I actually thought I had made it clear in my post often enough that I am obviously not a top-Picture expect. If I wanted that, I would me 'ne Sony2100 etc. . Obtaining The money will I save the time being, however, strike, and later, for "the first time to get in." I would not invest quite so much. And therefore the question was: Alternatives to 27 or 180 of other manufacturers that are better suited for this purpose. Or synonymous: How much better is the 180 in this situation compared to a total of 27?
The next point is that musicians get nervous and quickly lost the documentary character when they see a device of the caliber XM2 (about as soon as a certain body size exceeded and not later than when a handle is available;))
Among the professionals, "with its much more expensive video cameras," the "in spite of a head light" to carry around with: Yes, which have usually considered a technically better picture. Nevertheless, the result is often a shithole, because they just make shit pictures. I am now passing collector of music DVDs and what's on the market often resembles a retina whip synonymous if the picture is technically still considered high quality. In stark contrast, it is something like the "Rock in Rio" DVD of Iron Maiden, has indeed synonymous mediocre picture quality, choice of subject and crappy editing, but it proves that one just yet with low-end ConsumerCams an absolutely satisfactory and professionally acting can achieve results.
Antwort von Markus:
How much better is the 180 in this situation compared to a total of 27? Find out! Type in search, "GS27", are looking for. ;-) It appears you have not already done. As is somewhere that is synonymous produced one Comparison of GS180.
... "Rock in Rio" DVD of Iron Maiden, has indeed synonymous mediocre picture quality, choice of subject and crappy editing, but it proves that one just yet with low-end ConsumerCams can achieve a completely satisfactory and professional-looking results. A satisfactory and professional result is achieved with mediocre image quality, more modest choice of subject and shitty cut. - I am confused and put my work over the past 15 years in question ...
Antwort von fert:
OK, Mark.
It appears you have not already done. As is somewhere that is synonymous produced one Comparison of GS180. You lie with your assessment totally wrong. Surely there are dozens of reports and comparisons for both cameras. But no special lighting and use of this situation. Otherwise I would not even ask - is not it?
A satisfactory and professional result is achieved with mediocre image quality, more modest choice of subject and shitty cut. - I am confused and put my work over the past 15 years in question ... Had you read carefully, you would have the word "may" discovered. But is not bad, can happen to anyone. And yes, make one's own work in question is certainly never a bad idea - synonymous after 25 or 35 years.
That the Iron Maiden's handiwork quite sufficient to show the sales and Reviews. My requirements are thus certainly not sufficient, for there was synonymous only with _Möglichkeiten_. But I'm afraid without you there personally come too close to want, you do not already understand so completely what is at stake in concert recordings (actually, just like Steve Harris;)).
Good, except for the WWW wide known references to the sacred and the search was far more commonplace ebensohäufigen nix. Would be a shame if the Slashcam forum would not have in stock.
Antwort von Markus:
Otherwise I would not even ask - is not it? I always say what the author does not write, can not know the answer giver. On the contrary: This is asked very often about things that had just 5 minutes before someone else already asked. So I had obviously misjudged you. ;-)
Read it some time with, because you will certainly s.and synonymous with the mouth open. Something like this:
Now you just have that time someone makes such Good, except for the WWW wide known references to the sacred and the search was far more commonplace ebensohäufigen nix. Maybe so, notify anyone else?
Antwort von Jan:
Here I have to give Mark right, there are no miracles expected of a Cosumerkamera to the image quality synonymous differences among the models, but rather equal, of course, the GS is 180 with 3 CCD better than the entry model GS 27 (I mean not only from mehrgelieferten accessories (remote control), Micro / Headphones / S-Video / tural 16 / 9 mode, memory function, exposure time display, neglecting 0 Lux Night Program (Concert For now, however, synonymous with) in low light but only to the extent that the price rises vs 280 450 ¬.
GS 27 would be for a concert, I can only its 51 ° Wide Anglesind outstanding in the consumer class.
For me, therefore, GS 180, GS 280 / 300 or SonyHC 94 / 96, when professional demands GS 500 (manual level control, larger sensors, 1 / 4, 7, wired remote, better MF of 47 ° with respect to GS 180 / 280 / 300 etc. or re-XM 2 - even though my last test with GS 500 vs XM has shown 2 that XM has more problems 2doch it sharp with less light and bright lights correctly, then you have other advantages.
Comparison views of the stupid car division:
GS 27 = Polo 1.4
GS 180 = Golf 5 1.8
GS 280 = Golf 5 GTI
GS 500 = Passat TDI 2.5 - gibts den?
etc
, With Auto's I do not know me from so outstanding, you may correct me, yes I'm going "only" Corsa 1.0, but fairly new. Audi TT / BMW M 3, I have deliberately not listed the more entsricht Canon XM 2 / L 2 / DVX 100 / HVX 200th
LG
January
Antwort von fert:
Hi Jan,
Comparison views of the stupid car division:
GS 27 = Polo 1.4
GS 180 = Golf 5 1.8
GS 280 = Golf 5 GTI
GS 500 = Passat TDI 2.5 - gibts den?
etc
, With Auto's I do not know me from so outstanding, you may correct me, yes I'm going "only" Corsa 1.0, but fairly new. Audi TT / BMW M 3, I have deliberately not listed the more entsricht Canon XM 2 / L 2 / DVX 100 / HVX 200th
yes you write yourself already that the car comparison is not quite optimal, but since I ride time, a little rum on it: The Polo brings me to the goal just as safe as the Passat! I can determine the direction and speed itself, carry passengers, carry purchases s.den expensive cars, etc. What is clear is something more to it - not just the "higher" name costs more synonymous air conditioning, CD changer, electric windows , the sunroof, navigation system - but I do not need anything and it just does not s.der fact that it is still just a damn car. All these extras (I even wrote up next, because I do not put value on it) the car would cost and diluting the "real" value added, such as a more economical engine and better acceleration with bringing him.
And you even remember to test ( "GS 500 vs. XM 2") that it synonymous with supposedly better (because more expensive) Cams technical limitations are weaknesses that do not have the cheaper cams. If that is between XM2 and GS500 is the case, then why not synonymous for a few price ranges mean? Just where the price differences come primarily from the extra equipment ever reached during the same CCD optics combination is installed.
But well, if erstmal Danke (hehe ;-)), the moment it looks difficult for me to GS180, which should not nix any good, it is still used as a field, forest and Wiesencam. Or as a camera for the bass player ... ;)
Antwort von Jan:
Yes, in general, XM 2 is more synonymous, so I ordered again, they stopped coming closer s.The broadcast class - that broadcast images ran as the top consumer 500th GS Although broadcast quality is indeed one eh abgetroschener term.
Eg, the GS has 500 manual level control, which gibts in the price range for Sonynicht, synonymous GS 180 / 280 / 300 no. Each of the sound a bit like a professional and wants to somehow work around this feature is not.
The XM 2 is easy but despite the small AF weakness in the whole even more professional, with small budget as close as possible to come to s.Profiqualität, eg you can disqualify her multiple channels, the L lens is itself an absolute professional photographers a term at Canon SLR, like the better AF / Zoom control, the AF ring of the GS 500 can be infinitely wise Ex Rotate, which is not particularly skilful synonymous - for Panasonic DVX 100, things look different from the zoom lever is very risky, a little too dagegengedrückt down and you've got easy verissen the zoom.
I'm still stupid time to compare car back, yeah I can with my Corsa 1.0 drive of Munich to Hamburg, but in extreme situations (those who hold it) runs as needed even more. I have been synonymous in my "youth" GTI II Owner
Who simply better technology, adjustable suspension, more power, 13 "drop center rims
are particularly easy for the practical needs and incorporate at high speeds quite sure synonymous with good driving skills in any situation sure the car.
Beginners cars have not installed the latest technology - now have ABS, ASR, cornering lights and what it all still there, is more settled in the middle, a car freak would certainly still plenty of Polo 1.4 TDI Passat vs. enumerate differences.
The improvements of eg gs 280 / 300 for the GS 180, such as optical stabilizer or Leica Optics (although I do not want to estimate is too high), etc. Just bring your images into even more sophisticated bearings.
LG
January
