Frage von arn:
Hello,
I was just trying out the GS 17th
The picture quality is supposed to in the class to 700 ¬ the best!
All parameters can be controlled by manual, even gain!
A test even as she described West Bags XL1!
Since I usually work with the XL1 I have also bought the GS 17th
Of course I expected this NOT the quality of the XL1 camera,
only a better auto-focus. ;-)
What I expected:
My requirements were a cheap camera with the possibility
Verschlimmbesserungen to automatically turn off.
In addition, Picture and sound quality should be acceptable.
With reasonable, I think, with good Lichtbedingen no noise.
Similarly, should the material in the deinterlace good post-processing
and post-production can s.end a quiet homogeneous
Picture shown.
The "Mörderauflösug" I did not expect, of course.
What I got:
Camera Settings:
Time:
1 / 50
Aperture:
If possible, open
Gain:
0dB
Electronic Stabilization:
out
Output to TV:
Extreme Stair Education Grid Effect on diagonal lines in the image parts of the image seemed to lead a life of their own (flicker)
DV dubbing to Calculator:
Calculator Config:
Win XP pro, all updates
Proz: Athlon XP 2400
Codec: MainConcept DVC Pro
The picture tends to jerk staircase formation in the Picture, as it was stabilized electronical
These effects occur with the Microsoft DV codec and the MainConcept codec.
Even with the Magic Bullet deinterlacing does not work!
I'm still in shock of the first impressions!
Years ago I had a digital-8 cameras of Sony.
If I remember correctly, the picture was in good conditions
quite acceptable. From today's perspective just a little slack!
Recently I had a two years old Sonyhier.
Very compact, with touch screen, then certainly not very cheap.
The recordings I have hunted through Magic Bullet and had a
Picture perfect with full frames.
Now my questions:
1.
Has anyone a hint what I have done wrong in the Studio
could?
2.
When the camera is inferior, how much I must spend a minimum of a camera that makes images in normal conditions, if I can get into the Postpriduction in a reasonable condition (eg, deinterlacing)
The camera does not have any gimmicks to synonymous (eg, SD card slot)
Buy a used camera is older tip, I think not a good idea, because the extremely complex mechanics mít Surely the years seriously affected.
I bought the camera conscious at Saturn, because there are no problems with the 14-day return, which unfortunately is not always the case.
So if there knows None Council, it probably goes back Monday again!
Greeting
Arn
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
That sounds pretty confusing what you write with the XL 1, this time Cam now nothing in common except DV.
The GS 17 is the entry level model in Panasonic (up ¬ 700?)
What did you buy your Saturn? Good if everything is complete, and there are no scratches on the cam, there is no money back for Problem.Sie should not really be more expensive than ¬ 350th
Yes eg at Panasonic or JVC can already Verschlusszeiten. to change some settings (.), In contrast to the Sony entry-class. Nevertheless gibts in this class do not expect wonderful things. Stability and low light is not one of your strengths. I would be if the pain threshold is about 700 ¬, and it ne his new Camera is to remain at the firm and take the 3CCD GS 75, has unfortunately DV OUT Av else but for me the best in the class. Other possible would SonyHC 42 DV + Av IN-OUT or Canon MV 300.330 i.
But good Digital 8 models are not worse because there are many similarities with Mini DVhaben, as eg. the same compression.
Well there you'll have to make nocheinpaar test shots ....
January
Antwort von arn:
@ Jan
There you have misunderstood me, but CAREFULLY!
>> With the XL 1, this time Cam now nothing in common except DV.
I have explicitly written that I NOT, and I
not seeeehr capitalized, had expected the quality of the XL1.
Comparison of the XL1 was referring specifically to a test article in which
The GS has been described 17 as a vest-pocket XL1, as a result of manual functions.
It can regulate such gain in increments up to 18dB, which is supposedly
not even the new SonyHDR could un-H1 HDV that is a precious Consumercam.
The test article did not recommend the camera for people who want to take their XL1 with s.den beach.
This is exactly the point that makes the camera interesting for me, who actually works with an XL1.
If you need even all that crazy prospects or simply want to try something, I am much more relaxed with an extremely cheap camera, eg over open water, as with the XL1.
>> (Up to 700 ¬?) You should not really be more expensive than ¬ 350th
I wrote: The picture quality is supposed to in the class to 700 ¬ the best! He was referring in turn to statements in test reports. Many camera-Highscores are divided into categories such as price to 700 ¬, then to 1000 ¬, etc.
Since I found it particularly impressive was that this camera, so I paid for only 350 ¬ and described in the online shop there, they are synonymous for well under ¬ 300 as best in its class.
In other words, the test might report states: "Up to 700 ¬ you will find no better image quality"
Return:
Actually, yes I would like to help when shopping rather small shops.
If I have since told the camera but I would like to thoroughly test and, where appropriate, bring back, who always like to get a panicked look, with the motto: "Ok, if they promise they buckle down and jumping around is not no scratches on the box, you can They ggggernnnee, take sips a day.
In one 14-day return policy I think is even guaranteed by law.
The Saturn person is "there remained quite loose. If so get rid of synonymous easier for Saturn used a camera as a small grocer.
>> However gibts expect in this class does wonderful things.
Of course not!
But a camera with which I have written as I did, good lighting conditions, a result that delivers:
- No saw teeth in the diagonals is
When disabled, electronic stabilization is not as jerky would be missing from individual frames
Delivers at a time of choice 1 / 50 in Magic Bullet deinterlace perfectly Picture,
I do not think with all due for a miracle but as a minimum requirement.
Here again is the best image quality up to 700 ¬ in the game! ;-)
Since I do not know much about with video cameras a bit, I would like my criticism on a level with the kind of criticism have mixed greenhorn as I have read about this camera more often synonymous. For example:
"The picture is totally reddish, I have the part sent back immediately!"
Yes, he would have used the manual white balance, which the camera that is synonymous! ;-)
>> Stability and low light is not one of your strengths
It is clear to me synonymous.
For stability and Low Light is the XL1, the lower limit, just as for the sound. What takes up the presses can be generally equal to CD.
It always amazes me.
>> But good Digital 8 models are not worse
Even!
I had the earliest available Digital 8 Camera!
The Picture was already reasonable, and better than what my
GS17 has offered today.
Also, the test material is a two years old Sony DV camera, I hinbekommen perfectly in AfterEffects. The camera must have cost at that time between 1000 to 1500 ¬.
Two years is indeed an eternity in technology, because I simply believed times, which is now a standard camera comes close to this level to some extent.
>> Pain threshold at 700 ¬
How indeed should now be known, not my pain threshold is 700 ¬! ;-)
Once again:
I
Antwort von GhostDog:
Hi,
've read in the Instructions for the Panasonic MX8 that when you play any Read-only media, the picture gets a mosaic-like effect, so that the same somehow aware of it. Raff 'the not quite synonymous, but maybe that could be responsible for this level of education and all that?
Regards
philema
Antwort von Markus:
@ Jan
There you have misunderstood me, but CAREFULLY! Hi Arn,
I do not wonder that. I was the length of your Articles so very scared that I did not even completely read. ;-)
Antwort von Jan:
Hi Arn,
sorry I did not want to attack you or judge your skills in poor video, you (well, what have preceded me as the owner of XL1, (with this model because I have not yet filmed), but the Mag) (or test which the GS 17 Camera West as compared with similar or synonymous XL1 only about quality, not for me to explain.
So for me (and the one or the other) is the GS 17 does not guarantee the best and 700 ¬ including eg no DV AV IN, naja's just a matter of opinion what can you do. The GS with 17 you will certainly run synonymous DV editing, which would be possible to retransmit only the processed film on Mini DV you will remain with the GS 17 failed without activation. Eg if the movie is stupid, even on DVD, and will be processed in one or another variant later repeated.
Good, I work at Saturn, but really is an example: You are boss in a car dealership, I buy a new BMW (Example: I would not buy, because for me, the car is no prestige object, go Corsa 1.0)
After 10 days I will bring back the BMW, with scratches, small dents and possibly demand my money back. You would certainly now give me the full purchase price and take back the car immediately?
Achso for me it is not easily take back a used cam, as the following reason. 1. Variation as eg in a GS 17, I'll send them (to Panasonic and ask for an exchange, I will get back the same camera, and Panasonic in Hamburg, Germany will say what we want them! (Already) happened
2. Variant of a client who has saved hard for Cam and Cam get a used with scratches and clear signs of wear.
I can sell you as an exhibitor, of course, but seldom for the full price.
Everything is good
January
Antwort von arn:
Hello!
@ Philema
Thank you, finally a proposal for solution!
But I can not imagine them synonymous.
Read-only media, I would interpret such a way that I pass on the "switch" to the re-dub the cassette to prevent it. Of what I should warn when playing the recorder? Films are not even delivered on DV tape, so that a copy could not be meant.
Very strange.
@ Mark
The length of my Articles has deterred you?
So terrify me more s.wie posts
Help, my Panasonic has a problem, WHY?
Or synonymous:
I want a good camera, what should I take?
Requests for help without an exact description of the problem are, unfortunately, often and I find this very annoying and discourteous to the Forum.
Attention was just a general statement about popular culture and posting intervention has nothing to with your posting. Avoidable Misserständnis * *
My philosophy is if I want to take the help of a forum claim to explain my problem in detail. I can not expect that other forum-user tele Parten.
No offense, but we seem to have different philosophies.
Prefer an irritated user, the Articles are my too long, as dozens of posts to grope slowly s.mein problem.
For the "broken" format in my receipt posting, I apologize, of course, not just makes reading easier.
Example, if I find a button in After Effects should be posting my extremely short,
PROMISED ;-)
@ Jan
The following interpretation please do not cry but as a very very strongly stated, when you ask it I will tell you that synonymous with my own blood again * carefully over it thoughtfully ;-))))) *
I HAVE THE QUALITY OF GS17 NIEEEEMASL WITH WHICH COMPARED XL1!!
Large Indian word of honor, and I shall laugh together with you together on every person who hires these Qualitäsvergleich seriously.
YOU MUST BELIEVE ME THE SIMPLE! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE !!!!!!!
Could you live with this interpretation:
The XL1 is the symbol par excellence of a manual controllable camera unterhab the professional class.
For a test magazine, it is now very striking, with a Billigkamera offered in its price range superior manual control options to bring the XL1 into the game.
Practically, what embodies the XL1 in the semi-professional class that embodies the GS17 in Billigklasse.
Professional Use to smile, want to deal with beginners on a tight budget, the video itself with serious XL1 and the legend of've heard it all, the GS17 draw on the shortlist and the filmmakers leave it is simply no preference.
To avoid further misunderstandings:
I am aware that there are now better cameras in this price Checkout.
This is now very important to Mark. ;-)
If I had not extended my posting and noted that today in this segment are better cameras, I would have provoked a posting such as:
How can you raise the XL1 only way to heaven, you'll get for the money today but already an XYZ ... ;-)
Return of the Camera / Comparison with the car dealer:
If I want to buy a new car, pushing me to the car dealership the car but even for a weekend for a test drive on and drive him myself to the door and picks him up again, a bit over stated. ;-)
If the car radio in my Panasonic GS17 then only folk music station plays the pedal rhythmically move to this sound and not very cool air conditioning switched off, in winter, then I'm happy that I could do a test drive before purchase.
My camera problem applied to this case would mean.
I have no idea whether the behavior normal for a car of this price range and None could tell me!
Incidentally, there is indeed synonymous to the "ball Porsche" which one is not really synonymous with what is actually associated with the Porsche brand stands for. (GS17 = XL1)
Antwort von Markus:
The length of my Articles has deterred you? [...] My philosophy is to outline [...,] my problem in detail.
-> Masse ist nicht Genauigkeit ;-))
"First, if you show that you thought and effort you make to simplify the problem, you exalt the chance of a reply. Second, simplify the question makes it more likely to get a 'helpful' answer."
