Frage von aaVe:
Hi,
I had before me the above camera to buy and wanted to shoot mostly film, ie it should be synonymous a good keyingergebnis get out. I have decided to 3chipper because the picture quality but because we thus keying the results for better or I'm mistaken there?
maybe someone can give me a few tips about this and to indicate which camera cheap (see above about 400-500 ¬) keyingresultate has good ...
mfg aave
Antwort von Jan:
Good because I am now restorative times.
In the car scene in question would be about as follows:
"On the north loop, I would like a really professional round turn with my Opel Astra 1.8. I would like but behave like the pros with the Fomel 1 or a touring car."
- The computer system hatt halt now trying the Sampling of 4.2.0 in 4.2.2 (eg signal components SonyDigi Betacam) or even the 4.4.4 Camera unbelievably expensive. When you are Keyen pixels with luminance and chroma-out, while for an ordinary working
the Farbsampling / Sampling of Camera 4.2.2, if possible, should have, because the color is enthaltenten for a Blue / Green Screen display is needed.
Since the GS 180 as the only synonymous / 3 Chipper advantageous in the current range is 2006, they have purely theoretically s.Besten to lend. What in particular during daylight they apply, rather than Lowlight.
VG
Jan
Antwort von aaVe:
beautiful, that the professionals in front of the post always so nice stories to tell;) no rubbish back to the subject:
let's say I have me a blue screen from ikeastoff built (which I planned), the well-lit and then have something to film. has anyone ever tested, so that blue screen or green screen shots and to make someone perhaps a test image?
because then how would the result look like? if it were still a few pixels inside what is not so serious? my analog cam provides the whole with a (fairly poor würd ich sagen) bluescreen from:
zum Bild I think the color is as synonymous as poor ... but it is a question that is not behind the building of these remnants pollute ...
mfg aave
Antwort von Jan:
Depending on the claim aave & Budget. In the professional demanding sector would probably only be in 4.2.0 Camera Notvarianten an excuse for the highest standards you need min. 4.2.2 - eg Betacam.
Aave, I may even be a supermarket with Cam for 50 ¬ a blues Screen & Green Screen use if I want. Yes your result looks modest, but I would not synonymous better, because I do not own practical experience with keying / Bluescreen have.
Look at just the news of the big transmitter, and comparative Gekeytes with your professional material (original photo / Compilation)
Mich nervt just the people here with a billigstcam - s.besten for ¬ 300 - demanding films ala want to turn professional, and expect the same result.
Let a rotation of a church, the amateurs do not know the part about 10 lights were previously placed at the Camera the best picture possible. You want each day many users s.liebsten without light only with the 300 ¬ Camera similarly good shots as I have here of ORF shots.
Yes I know, I work synonymous of time to time, with only GS 500 and the result of trying as best as possible to get - because I did the professional sector synonymous know - I never expected the outcome.
And as a professional I have never felt, no preference whether 1800 or I now have 18,000 posts. I can not help it if these accusations are made of me. Proper professionals said at last to me, "Jan is a good estimate of what it is and what is not-how" - most recently at my first attempt Steadycam - to my mind was completely beside.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Wiro:
Hello,
I think you should be with the DV / 4:2:0-keying is not always seen as negative. Gekeyte better than an amateur-to-analog recording with the infamous off-IR colors is all. Much more important is a clean illumination and an exact balance of the White Bluebox - then can already watch.
Naturally, a heavy Mercedes better than a VW Golf ;-)
Gruss Wiro
@ AaVe
Your problem with the above images is that you use the keyer does not properly control. I got my pictures on the fast times in the Premiere timeline laid and tested whether they can keyen. Yes, they can be. Not very good, but it fully transparent. Not like on your picture.
Antwort von aaVe:
I first thank you all for the posts, the last gave me very helpful synonymous. But if these analog recording keyt up so that it is transparent, it is like the hand is no longer synonymous quite fully there, so it looks a bit transparent (if synonymous only very minimal, which is closer to full human bodies would be more noticeable) .
zum Bild with the intervals of the blue, I have been involved with my shots that I (if I should get the device) with the panasonic gs180 making. because then I would just take ikeastoff, lit with halogen 3x500Watt baumarkt of what my opinion should work quite well ...
and of course I expect no shots of one of professionals with established and profitable equipment set .... but it should not just look like my old analog-cam, where everything is blurry when I'm on the Canopus advc110 about that and wants to play it so bad quality and keyergebnisse supplies that you would like to look more garnicht.
I have recently with another, slightly older dv-kamera (Medion 9035 MB of Aldi) some green screen tests done, but with a green shirt and only a 500Watt halogen spotlights from baumarkt ...
the results are not synonymous bad:
zum Bild However, as you can see green margins, but probably due to the illumination and the material is due. after this test should and CAN 3chipper of the panasonic only much better and I think this has convinced me. but perhaps you can yes to this post with the test, etc ausläuchtmaterial again what to say or criticize .... I am reluctant to buy something ignorant;)
again many thanks for the help so far has given me very helpful ...
mfg
aave
Antwort von aaVe:
Hi,
so I've endschieden me now, but still not know where I should buy the device because it is at amazon it cost 455 ¬, but when redcoon (hab Slashcam here to read that the shop should be quite good) is only 399 ¬ .. .
see here:
Antwort von Jan:
As a business seller "I have now to control the 399 ¬ but they are a good price or charitable 414 (determined 15 ¬ shipping).
Nevertheless, it would be nice if you Redcoon the "EC" variant promise can be made by mail. Yes "we" are shops such as 479-499 ¬ for NV GS 180 EG.
If it is artificial or better Tageslichaufnahmen turns the GS 180 is the best for me in terms of color accuracy / reproduction and sharpness. When would Lowlight JVC GR D 650 ne track better. It can be synonymous but ne SonyHC 44 / 46 are taken.
Well in Blue Screen I have no practical idea werd times follow the next posts.
VG
Jan
Antwort von aaVe:
where is because the difference between one and nv-gs180 nv-gs180 an eg-s.
I've heard that the s stands for silver but what is eg?
and when the variant is redcoon WITHOUT EC-S. (ie, only NV-GS180)
achja have found another shop, where the EG-S with truth is:
http://www.ixxpixx.de/product_info.php?pName=panasonic-nvgs180egs&osCsid=0e28d20fab7c01f85843e3f7c9b9d162 what do you think of this shop?
mfg aave
/ edit: I wanted to ask what, and namely, whether the device is synonymous with the manual exposure settings can ... perhaps could be synonymous to me someone to answer, because the blue screen material that I had brought with ikea looks horrible from synonymous if I really keye. (tested with its old dv cam)
Antwort von Wiro:
Manual focus and - most important - manual white balance are given in the 180.
Here are some details:
Normally cameras with an automatic white balance. This gives problems when the largest part of a scene background is blue. The camera then takes on, the light was very blauhaltig and compensates for this by increasing the color yellow. You can try this effect: the judge in camera auto white balance for a time on the blue background and consider the result on the screen: hold your hand in the scene, and you will notice that they will be displayed orange.
This problem is caused by "manual white balance" setting. Set the camera on a wall in front of a white person and "freeze" the so-identified White Balance On. Under this setting, the ChromaKeyers later, the blue background is clearly seen and thus represent a transparent. An unclean White balance leads to an overall yellowish scene, while the blue background is grayed out and therefore no longer be filtered transparent.
Equally important is the correct illumination of the scene. Too dark foreground scenes show a low contrast. This allows the keyer the cutting edge between the foreground and blue background are no longer clear. Similarly, if the background is dark blue. Another problem is the shade: they darken the blue background and also lead to an incorrect blue Ausfilterung.
Last but not least: make the distance between the person and a blue cloth (or hand, or what is synonymous) as large as possible. This reduces the spill - the ugly edges around the object.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Jan:
EC is the Panasonic delivered here. I once read somewhere lists with EK, EH and Co. where it came from.
Yes since Panasonic is a leader in the consumer class, you can choose the shutter. They have the Aperture - and in the known numerical values 1.8 3.4 etc, or the gain - as in the professional sector in DB angebeben to 16 dB gain.
If you increase (DB) hairy, but the Pana to open Aperture 1.8 (1.6 GS 500). It would be synonymous not so wise the picture brighter and noisy at the same time to make a gain with the Aperture and always close next zb f 3.4.
In the professional field is already there but want to film a particular focus area is always maintained and reinforced when needed to generate the same exposure at the same shutter speed when light is less to maintain. 3ES Since everything can be chosen freely.
Antwort von Markus:
ts * ts * Always Blueboxfetischisten this! ;-)
Antwort von Jan:
Yes possible, because as green & blue very little color in our skin can be seen.
I am not green and blue thrashed. Must have a reason so why in most cases, the Green & Blue Notes.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Markus:
Must have a reason so why in most cases, the Green & Blue Notes. That would interest me synonymous times. I rather suspect that a historical "background" or because it's the professionals with their 100 k ¬ cameras do so.
A quick Google search brought me in any event, not next. Strictly back again here:
Antwort von Wiro:
Hello,
habs times I learned:
The main reason why we decided on blue, was that the blue complementary color to the skin of an average "white" talent. Conflicts in order to avoid punches, it was obvious that this color should be used. Experiments have shown that the so-called. Royal Blue (royal blue) s.besten suited.
Sometime you have found that Green synonymous has its advantages, although it does not preclude the color of the skin color is, but rather next door. Video cameras are in the green field and showed s.empfindlichsten often as the best key result. Green, however, has to a large blue reflection, which leads to stronger spill (in experiments we have clearly stated). Green Spill falls quite uncomfortable, while blue is often spill simply "overlook".
I personally tend to clear blue.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von aaVe:
Hi,
Royal blue is the color of ikeastoff. then yes, I made a good purchase ^ ^. but again not asking for lighting: I have a few spots 500Watt fetched from practitioners who emit yellowish light of what the material appear to be grayish, if you do not have manual exposure settings can ...
Manual focus and - most important - manual white balance are given in the 180.
focus is sharp but the position .... Although it is synonymous important but synonymous times I wanted to know whether you can set manual exposure ... exposureprogram or something does that mean in my old analog cam ... because you can start with his spinning wheel, the brightness (Auto exposure) change the color until you can see. namely, when someone goes through the building (or in my next action film "flown" ^ ^ is), then the changes for this brief moment the exposure, and the looks on the bluescreen then very bad ...
mfg aave
Antwort von Wiro:
Hmmm - if I read correctly, then Jan, the next front is already answered. He is a 'shop sellers "probably right - I think ...
Yes since Panasonic is a leader in the consumer class, you can choose the shutter. They have the Aperture - and in the known numerical values 1.8 3.4 etc or the reinforcement Synonymous read the other posts again carefully.
You write:
"... The beam of yellowish light, which appear to be grayish substance ..."
I wrote up next:
"... An unclean White Balance leads to an overall yellowish scene, while the blue background is gray ..."
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von aaVe:
Hmmm - if I read correctly, then Jan, the next front is already answered. He is a 'shop sellers "probably right - I think ...
Yes since Panasonic is a leader in the consumer class, you can choose the shutter. They have the Aperture - and in the known numerical values 1.8 3.4 etc or the reinforcement
Synonymous read the other posts again carefully.
You write:
"... The beam of yellowish light, which appear to be grayish substance ..."
I wrote up next:
"... An unclean White Balance leads to an overall yellowish scene, while the blue background is gray ..."
Gruss Wiro super thank you now I should have understood it well, I'm sorry for the repeated demand;).
that would really be of me, I ordered me to amazon (runtergegangen is to 432) and then yes again, I can write, how they behave in the blue screen and how it all works:)
s.alle many thanks! :)
mfg aave
Antwort von Markus:
Must have a reason so why in most cases, the Green & Blue Notes.
That would interest me synonymous times. I rather suspect that a historical "background" or because it's the professionals with their 100 k ¬ cameras do so. Wiro @: It was not my question to the Blue or Greenbox, but the question Lumakey or Chromakey. Würde mich echt mal interested to know whether you (or someone else?) Have any knowledge about this then why amateur filmmakers with their camcorders more often unsuitable for sub-optimal keying method (ie Chromakey) to decide, although it is a more appropriate alternative (ie Lumakey) there ...
Antwort von Wiro:
@ Markus
An interesting theory, you always look at the discussion. I habs in practice has never been tried.
Did you this because sometimes in the "hot use it? With success even?
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Markus:
I put the Lumakey much more often than the Chromakey because synonymous DVCAM 4:2:0-Farbsampling one has and also the lighting Lumakey Technically not sooo big requirements. Any spill, I had so synonymous yet.
Maybe this method is simply not yet known enough or simply too spectacular?
