Frage von Mountie:
Hello,
I am looking for a holiday and "Party" cam.
For me, a Comparison of the question, since the Canon MV960 (MV900 = with many features already) is almost as expensive as the Panasonic GS180. But since I do not need all the extra features that runs on Comparison me out on GS180 and MV900.
The main function is for me synonymous with low light image quality, ie color, noise, contrast, brightness.
That would be synonymous terms (of course, s.dieser price category). Especially as the MV900 got certified in the latest digital video, a pretty good image quality (including drive-Noise Recording).
I rumgestöbert here in the forum a bit. But so far I could not figure out how much difference between these two cams really in the picture quality.
Actually, I would favor the Canon MV900 (portability and price). If the Panasonic because of 3CDD Chips and hopefully with a good signal processing (etc.) but much better videos (especially in low light supply), then I would certainly consider the higher investment into account. Where I stay still an amateur filmmaker and holidays.
Thank you very much
Gruß Carsten
Antwort von Acer:
Hi, Carsten,
as you have already noted, the NV-GS180 one Dreichipper. The result is a slightly larger chip area and therefore may fall more light on the three relatively small chon 1 / 6 "chips. In MV900/960 is only a 1 / 6" chips available, which of course is synonymous suffer accordingly the image quality .
The Picture of NV-GS180 you must, I believe, be better in low light range than the Canon (same Apertureöffnung, but 3CCD vs-1CCD)
The processor / signal processor, the Canon line is the "holy" D! GIG DV Processor. Panasonic builds, I think Sony's processor (or ???).
According to your first and your last sentence, you're home video maker. Nevertheless, you may later würdesr ext book. Microphone want to connect both (a Mic input), but the GS180's have one accessory shoe.
The higher investment would be worth dementprechend if you bet on higher image quality. But I do not know who is calm stabilizer. The Canon image stabilizers are really consistently good. Panasonic recently had indeed significantly improve the stabilizers, which has worked synonymous.
I would resort to 180, and if more money is there, and the good will to improve the Cam, the NV-GS280 ;-) the perfect model for your career
Ciao;).
Philip
Antwort von Mountie:
Hello Philipp,
Thank you. The image quality would be pretty important to me. Where it is less about me better colors while they are still good and usable. My concern is really primarily about sharpness, contrast and noise in the famous low light.
The Canon has cut in the current digital video so pretty well:
+ Good low-light color reproduction (much color, low noise)
+ Contrast evenly (if I understood correctly about the brightness of 900 - 30 LUX)
but
- Endschärfe the suspect is not particularly high, I (low light)
- Drive-sound is recorded
The Stiftung Warentest example, were indeed only the predecessor of this Cam-tested (eg, NV-GS75 and MV 880). In any event, the Panasonic has cut off in image quality is clearly better than the Canon, but the Panasonic was explicitly praised as 3Chipper.
Synonymous with (unfortunately) was not clear what conditions are reflected in the extent to which the image quality with.
I would hate to see that the Panasonic and Canon have come closer to perhaps the chapter fairly low light.
Rein of the technique should be even better, the Panasonic, however, was explicitly in Stiftung Warentest further recalled that a 3Chipper is still no guarantee for a good picture (see Sonyin this test). It was here, but probably synonymous discussed it before.
I do not think I'm going to need a micro-input, because I actually come from the photograph. Now I am a hybrid. Only images do not give me, because the movement is lacking and in many cases, a video for me is too long. Therefore, I will probably remain more of a home video maker.
Can you actually something to my current cam in Comparison to say (SonyHi8 TR-8
Thank you once.
Gruß Carsten
Antwort von Nightfly!:
The main function is for me synonymous with low light image quality, ie color, noise, contrast, brightness.
Hello Carsten,
If you will meet this demand and do not want to annoy you later, I would recommend you to both of the GS180.
Gruß,
Nightfly!
Antwort von Acer:
Hi Mountie,
yes, it is true that Panasonic is building higher quality than Canon (joystick: Canon replica of ... material 9xx/4xx-reihe: cheap gray Platik)
Internally there are three synonymous CCD better than a CCD, and thus MUST be higher, the intensity of the NV-GS180, than the MV900 with the same size of CCD, but that only goes with one, lost the quality by the Komplementärfilter.
The issue of November of the Stiftung Warentest synonymous, I have read. That must be 3 CCD) is not necessarily better (in general, has in my opinion relates only to the poor Sony model.
The series is even MV8xx Intensities as the 9xx series (Apertureöffnung is open), although it was not great, the low-light feature.
Add to your Sony-Cam, you may have. I know this camcorder, although not, but Hi8 is an analog format and therefore not as high quality as the digital competitors. Besides, you can not edit digital material better (in the sense of: "With Analogmaterial can not cut it, but ";-), archiving is better and no quality is lost during the transfer.
My tendency is strongly NV-GS180, much stronger than the Canon MV900. But: How to buy a camcorder, you do not every day, so is perhaps a slightly higher investment in the NV-(GS280 worth considering, I "pray" this camcorder to synonymous, currently have a Canon MV850i, MV900 predecessors of) Have one synonymous
Antwort von Mountie:
Hello Philipp,
Many thanks for your detailed assessment.
Actually, I had almost set up on the GS180. Apart of the size that I have a few problems. The MV900 there would have been optimal.
I have even seen the test certificate of Videoaktiv Digital. Unfortunately, there was only a test of the GS280 in it.
But if I interpret correctly, then the GS280 can almost everything better. Only the noise at 30 lux, the GS280 is not better.
I'm assuming that the GS180 cut slightly worse than the GS280.
For me the question remains: 200 ¬ extra for the GS-180, and for that I have with lowlight recording little or no benefits.
Let's see. Maybe it's enough for me so synonymous, if necessary, that the GS-180 roars at 30 lux, not less, but it is still sharper.
Thank you once.
Gruß Carsten
Annex Interest:
The partial result of the measurement report.
Canon ---------- Panasonic
MV900 ---------- NV-GS280
----------------- 250 ------------- 300 Number of pairs of lines at 30 Lux and the boundary contrast of 0.3
3.8 %---------- 7.3 %--------------- Noise at 900 lux
17.5 %--------- 17.2 %------------- noise at 30 lux
The general facts are confirmed of the test. Color, contrast, sharpness are in "almost" all Bediungungen for the GS-280 more than the MV900.
If I correctly interpret the remaining figures, however, then the Resolutionbei the GS-280 with 300 line pairs (30 Lux Contrast 0.3) is somewhat better than the 250 line pairs of the MV900. I understand that as the sharpness in lowlight (?).
But I was surprised that the MV900 at 900 lux even less rushing and what is almost more importantly, at 30 lux or more rushes than the GS-280.
Even the color circle (at 30 lux) sees me off at the MV900 something more harmonious.
The contrast of the GS-280 appears at 900 and 30 lux to be better than with the MV900.
As the resolution graph is defined as:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/text.php?pos=|
