Newsmeldung von slashCAM: Panasonic soon (synonymous) with less shoulder-CAM: AG-HMC70 Of rob - 1 Nov 2007 20:23:00 In April next year, is now synonymous the cheap HD shoulder-CAM variant of geben.Die Panasonic AG-HMC70 AVCHD characterized in with 6Mbps, 9Mbps or 13Mbps on. As Lichtfänger are 3 1 / 4 CCDs with native 16:9 dimensions used. The Objetiv is a festmontiertes Leica, of the 38.5 to 462 mm (in 35mm terms) range. Interesting detail s.Rande: Proprietary of Panasonic P2 cards are not used, but standard SD / SDHC cards. There is also a live feed from the cam option - is still debatable, what a signal is present here. Audio is remarkable about XLR input. More data on the AG-HMC70 Page Link to the manufacturer's instructions. A price is not yet known, but should s.der SonyHVR-based HD1000.
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Antwort von now:
Sort of ugly ..... Just hope the pictures look good ....
Antwort von olipool:
why ugly? like a toaster from the 80s, it is all the rage * lol *
Antwort von ruessel:
A new trend is born: Take an old small camcorder (SD1), the housing bubble and to write something about "professional shoulder camera ".... it is synonymous to give the buyer.
Antwort von Frank B.:
Well better than the SonyHVR-HD1000 seems to be yes. Remains the only hard to edit recording format as the main point of criticism.
Frank
Antwort von ruessel:
Remains the only hard to edit recording format as the main point of criticism. ... and probably the LowLight quality, and the massive Smearempfindlichkeit grossed-up resolution.
Antwort von duffypuffy:
This is the answer to Sony's HVR-HD1000. Sonyhat an HC3 in a large enclosure built. Panasonic HDC-pumping the S-SD1EG something.
The only advantage so far, with the 3 CCD 1 / 4 inch. What is yet to come?
Antwort von r.p. television:
Now ranks after Sonysynonymous Panasonic in the Blender team one.
What is s.den man tries to bring?
Cameras, as posige HipHop - XXL robe without content.
What gives?
If the trend I will break an old Beta SP noodle HV20 and a screw into the housing. From the outside, you can then only on / off and start / stop operation. Perhaps then I have to find a buyer, who instead prefer to offer quality to make a thick trousers.
Antwort von kameramaennchen:
Someone knows if the thing has Lens-/Fokusring n?
Because of the number of buttons and her UTER the light of the XLR connector, I find it ever more professional than the HVR-HD1000.
What bothers me are the SD cards, as I think of great filmmakers, like myself, are still to be impractical.
Antwort von Tino21:
Oh my God, the thing Hässlisch pot.
If Panasonic does not now finally have a new version of the intelligent HVX200 looks at rausbringt Dennen wiklich duster out in the Semi division.
Antwort von cutty:
The Russian design is at times Breschnjev ;-)
Antwort von C.I.W:
Och ne. Who is coming because in such a shitty idea. That part is still uglier than the Cam of Sony. And then AVCHD. This is not a format for people who enjoy cutting. And these low data rates. Trash on. Camera pure trash too.
Antwort von ingo-b:
Och ne. Who is coming because in such a shitty idea. That part is still uglier than the Cam of Sony. And then AVCHD. This is not a format for people who enjoy cutting. And these low data rates. Trash on. Camera pure trash too. When I consider your signature, I wonder why you've written.
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Antwort von Satadioz:
One must not exaggerate. The design of this new Panasonic camcorder is basically the glieche as the predecessor DV AG-DVC60.
As a semi profit or profit, is the beautiful design alzu not important for a camcorder. In this price class is a functional design in demand.
CIW has not quite sure unknowing of video formats, otherwise he would not write such a measure
gruss satadioz
Antwort von jansi:
I understand that now.
CIW has annoyed but that is part of records in AVCHD.
Now you say that he has no idea, otherwise he would not write such a crap?
This only confirms what the trunk has previously written: "It is synonymous for the buyer specify."
Such as yourself, for example.
You seem to not know of video formats to have!
@ CIW
You should see your signature again working on: ... on
the cameraman ...
Antwort von ingo-b:
another useless functional paperweight ;-)
Antwort von C.I.W:
Oh, do you want so say that AVCHD format is a pro? Ok, clear. You did quite right. For years on TV is AVCHD eingestezt. If so uncompressed. High data rate.
The only question is why hardly any editing program cope with AVCHD. Since I myself am with a Mustek better served. The material can be at least 100% edit.
PS: My signature indicates that poor cameraman with a good camera so synonymous no pictures can do better.
Antwort von jansi:
why hardly any editing program cope with AVCHD ... ... or calculator ...
Antwort von ingo-b:
... NLE or programmers.
Problem is that they have to buy a codec and is in the Natural Cheap software is no longer there.
What complains you really .... Programs for a few euros or freeware from the internet and then complain that you do not get decent codecs.
Antwort von C.I.W:
What makes Panasonic and just intelligent HDV tape camera?
XLR inputs, a finder of the fold is a lens with 46mm thread. 25 frames, Gammakorektur an accessory shoe, headphone output, ... and in an acceptable size, alla XM1. That would be the renner. But no they build a big ugly, unusable shoulder camera.
Antwort von C.I.W:
and a "focus ring", which is useful. Not like the GS500. Impractical to use, takes too many revolutions ,....
Antwort von ingo-b:
Because HDV is specified, at a mini-DV tape record. Panasonic has never been on mini-DV recorded and why should they necessarily now 3 steps backwards?
Antwort von C.I.W:
because it's better for the climate is that car synonymous times as well.
No, seriously. The tape is a good archiving solution and it is cheap.
Antwort von Frank B.:
JVC has managed an HDV format compatible with hard disk recording to combine. You might look at this think. There are now synonymous already 16 GB SD cards, which would cater for over an hour HDV enough. As for the things with the data rate is, I know but not so accurate. ME should have the 3.7 MB / sec bring.
Hocus-pocus, already the Camera would be much more interesting.
Frank
Antwort von satadioz:
Listen to CJW
I have never claimed that a camera is very good. I personally would never buy because I am with HDCAM and DVCPRO worked.
The 1 / 4 duty transducer könnetn vileicht not be so sensitive to light (pretty sure). I can confirm to you on the MPEG-4 AVC (H264)-based AVCHD format, the kopression of her is more efficient than HDV, so the schtärkere Compression. You get the same result as in HDV, but with lower bitrate. For wedding movies, small events or for Schüle entrepreneurial activities, this camera is ideally suited.
Tutu'm sorry, I do not wolter verlezend act in which I argued that you have of video formats ahnung no hats. Sorry
Antwort von Frank B.:
I can confirm to you on the MPEG-4 AVC (H264)-based AVCHD format, the kopression of her is more efficient than HDV, so the schtärkere Compression. You get the same result as in HDV, but with lower bitrate. I can not really understand why in today's computing power and cheap storage media always "efficient" and to compress it to the price of the more difficult post.
With the data of HDV have my calculator and my hard no problems. I do not need to compress more. And the difference of 1440: 1080 and 1920: 1080 is designed for normal sighted people hardly visible. Moreover, one could indeed pave the way of JVC, who is apparently not HDV - Standard impress and leave multiple formats in their cameras allow.
Frank
Antwort von Satadioz:
Hi Frank, I think that maybe it pretty easy. Ne of my hypotheses is the more efficient you vormate wants, not because today's computing power but lacks the schpeicherkapazität as HDV or DV (gliechen bitrate) uses quite a lot of space to "normal pc's.
Or you can view it. For some (not me) plays the hard disk space, a fairly large role.
Moreover, in the next few months (I know it is not so precise) on the professional cameras of Panasonic (broadcast) a new format called the AVC Intra is based on the MPEG 4 H264 kopression is based (but not AVC HD).
This new format could be quite useful in tapeless broadcast of Panasonic camcorders, like. HVX200 and HPX500. Since the s.meisten known problem, the nidrigen schpeicherplatz the P2 card is.
Gruss Satadioz
Antwort von Frank B.:
Hello Satadioz,
So, the calculator is either too old and has not enough power and hard disk capacity, then he can not synonymous AVCHD editing.
Or, the calculator is modern, has good power and hard disks (I've never heard of yet, which is a dual-or quad Calculator buys and only a 40 GB hard drive installed), then he synonymous with the amount of data of HDV no problem . That is what I mean.
You're right, HDV and DV share the same data rate. DV I could but already in 2000 properly edit and save. Since then, the average hard drive capacity of a computer almost tenfold.
Hard constraints can not be the cause for the increasing hysteria of the forced compression. Not more than the self-imposed constraint on any media to want to save that are not yet mature. As already said above next, there are already SD Cards with 16 GB, which for more than an hour of HDV would. In a year things are so affordable that synonymous this argument against the HDV recording would cease.
Frank
Antwort von C.I.W:
Call me a pro, or semi-professional who works with AVCHD. I do not know any group of customers in the demanding field of working with AVCHD. Browse the AVCHD cams want to buy the material is not editing. That is so. Point.
Antwort von jayt1234:
The Camera is really for a ton. Even the 1 / 4 "sensors are an absolute knock-out criterion and of course the synonymous-meg4 Compression.
This makes sense in my opinion really only in DVB-S transmissions because of the limited bandwidth, or when it comes to maximum amounts of data to an insufficiently large disk recorded.
Here, DivX and Xvid so synonymous already served us well.
Otherwise I totally agree with the opinion of Frank, that there is a general compression completely pointless hysteria there.
The HDCAM EX of Sonyzeigt to go where the path might be large sensors and optimized mpeg2 with higher data rates than 25MBit / S
Antwort von r.p. television:
The camera in this available space, it would be much more useful to have a 250Gbyte plate installed. At 250 Gbyte really fit enough to record and you must not stress that the data be transferred into the NLE.
Otherwise, the pure Kamreagröße show. Da lob ich mir doch synonymous the EX1.
AVCHD and MPEG2 instead. and 1 / 3 "instead of 1 / 4". And instead of the matte black Tarngrau.
Antwort von C.I.W:
My speech, but yes I have no idea. And for the size would be even 1 / 2 inch sensors affixed.
Antwort von Rene K:
s.dem ding is not even a focus ring. what is this for? at least I can not see the pictures ...
Antwort von Steppenwolf22:
HRM, a small thing I'm interested already s.der Cam:
Of the 38.5 to 462 mm (in 35mm terms) When I look out the right lessons had this camera should be in comparison to almost all other consumer devices, a significantly higher depth of focus (or much less depth), or I'm mistaken about that?
Ok, if the thing has no focus ring, it is synonymous relatively useless;)
Antwort von r.p. television:
Huh?
The camera is now only moderately high focal. There are a lot better. And crucial underlying happens to be the target area of the chip, and is the 1 / 4 "inches now very small. Pungency relocations are here only with very high focal lengths possible.
You should probably better be careful what lessons always synonymous.
Antwort von Gut überlegt?:
Why ugly?
Are the racks of comic SonyFX1 or the Panasonic HVX200 as beautiful? Even with the new SonyPMW EX1 designers have their weak point in the viewfinders and the Micro, they will only unimaginative with the handle connected, instead of a compact design to provide.
And the designers were synonymous, the stupid new Sony memory cards can save, because with the "Professional Disc", which in the higher-XD-Cam is used, is a good, cheap and x times recordable media found that one well-synonymous into the new PMW EX1 could have installed. And why is not this case with a shoulder camera design?
And would not synonymous tremendous advantages for the user, when the stupid Zwischendingern between Handycam shoulder and camera type, namely the SonyFX1 and FX7 Panasonic HVX200 and fresh again and again and again the problem is, the thing gscheit hold it (if Tripod is not required of the production-wise)? And what is offered because, if one with "Shoulder Stand" google? Who can be because of the stupid, awkward-to-use tool to convince Poles that is more like a plumber on the body is perfectly as a film maker, in the absence of circumstances and compactly as possible on his will?
Believe as any, with the professionals would have the shoulder pad NOT proven?
If the amateurs from the shoulder camera design produced bogus professionalism on the glue, because they have no idea what a good camera s.Ausstattungsmerkmalen must have reasonably good so you can make films, speaks against the shoulder camera design or against amateurs? What Camera s.der is to complain, but the features are like the mere 1 / 4 inch CCDs, with which we so far of an (often required) depth blur away as what, and the low-Dorfer Lens and other stuff .. . but it is unlikely that very pleasant Schulterpad and finally the possibility, from the shoulder out comfortable filming them. The Best Camera is s.dieser the shoulder design, otherwise, unfortunately, is yes nix dran. Who does not appreciate, which has probably never been filmed from the Schuletr ...
And what does that because that first attempts Sonyand Panasonic make cameras with shoulder AMATEUR Stores to make? Since it announces itself to a design, with the company in the next few years in the consumer area big fund will be made because the people the comfort of shoulder cameras appreciate knowing. So bad? No, finally! You just have a little quality - which is why these first two shoulder very soon as the cameras used cameras on ebay land, as the market is technically well-packaged scrap.
Antwort von r.p. television:
Why ugly?
Are the racks of comic SonyFX1 or the Panasonic HVX200 as beautiful? After my taste is the FX1 beautiful. The HVX200 synonymous. But taste is indeed in the eye of the beholder.
And the designers were synonymous, the stupid new Sony memory cards can save, because with the "Professional Disc", which in the higher-XD-Cam is used, is a good, cheap and x times recordable media found that one well-synonymous into the new PMW EX1 could have installed. And why is not this case with a shoulder camera design?
And would not synonymous tremendous advantages for the user, when the stupid Zwischendingern between Handycam shoulder and camera type, namely the SonyFX1 and FX7 Panasonic HVX200 and fresh again and again and again the problem is, the thing gscheit hold it (if Tripod is not required of the production-wise)? And what is offered because, if one with "Shoulder Stand" google? Who can be because of the stupid, awkward-to-use tool to convince Poles that is more like a plumber on the body is perfectly as a film maker, in the absence of circumstances and compactly as possible on his will? So I think with the Professional Disc EX1 would be the result not so compact. I would be synonymous to the reverse order preferred. Only a shoulder camcorder with one of the decent work and behind a Henkelcam, as a backup. Finally there is currently no great camera, the current standards of the EX1 supported.
I prefer synonymous prefer a shoulder camera, but in certain Einsatzsiutationen is the design and the size of the EX1 prove.
From shoulder stands and the like, I believe synonymous nix. Jediglich the Steady Stick is in conjunction with a camera Henkel sometimes useful.
The Best Camera is s.dieser the shoulder design, otherwise, unfortunately, is yes nix dran. Who does not appreciate, which has probably never been filmed from the Schuletr ...
And what does that because that first attempts Sonyand Panasonic make cameras with shoulder AMATEUR Stores to make? Since it announces itself to a design, with the company in the next few years in the consumer area big fund will be made because the people the comfort of shoulder cameras appreciate knowing. So bad? No, finally! You just have a little quality - which is why these first two shoulder very soon as the cameras used cameras on ebay land, as the market is technically well-packaged scrap. There is no one fundamentally over the shoulder design complains. I think most would welcome. But not with such a technique. Instead of development work in such a questionable product to be stuck, would be a real Schulterpendant been better for the FX1. Just as then, the DSR-250 for the PD150.
Antwort von hanshagel:
The Russian design is at times Breschnjev ;-) That makes it nothing. The tilt will have a bucket over it piano black and sell them as "iCamera Pro".
But times seriously, in what format, the camera on?
MPEG4? And the SonyHVR-HD1000 MPEG2 or DV?
