Frage von Lobster:
Hello! Can someone tell me whether it is somewhere in Austria or Germany the opportunity s.einem Course on Pedestal (studio tripod height with air) to participate?
Or at least where you s.welche rankommt in order to practice?
Thank you in advance ...
Markus
Antwort von PowerMac:
You're "cameraman" and ask for basic things in the studio?
I do not know what you want to practice there. There is a Fahrrichtung in which you can make small trips. Then there is the height. More, there is not ...
Antwort von wolferl69:
Yes, yes, I am already clear. If yes technically synonymous absolutely no problem for me. The ORF will necessarily halt that I am something similar course presented on Pedestal ... Is absurd, but what should I do?
Markus.
Antwort von Lobster:
Now I was probably not logged in and have the answer as "guest" written ... : o)
Antwort von PowerMac:
From something I have in my short life had never heard. But in Austria, so it could give quite a bit absurd.;)
Antwort von rtzbild:
ROFL!
Yes, come a few days for us, we have the old studio stands by Hessischer Rundfunk television: www.oktrier.de
Course Kannst'nen show.
Otherwise, at Bogen Imaging Linhof or better after a brief product introduction issues.
HTH
Olli
Antwort von PowerMac:
I'm certified instructor and training manager for the state and Studio Pedestal Tripod Course. The $ 500 course fee is directly payable to trainer s.den, which then immediately send to a certificate on successful participation s.Pedestal studio tripod-and-forward course.
Antwort von rtzbild:
"With distinction" existed, please!
To the surprise of making free trade visitors.
Olli
Antwort von Lobster:
To me the so synonymous than I would need a certificate that I go
and (oh look!) actually are synonymous and may be ...
Thank you for the very funny nice replies.
@ Rtzbild / olli:
würd ich ja glatt do if you give me a diploma for issuing Pedestal!
Hab halt never really worked with a pedestal.
Only hours in the studio watching. Had never had the idea
come times that a job could depend on whether I times 5
Minutes behind such a terminal thing.
Was until now mainly used in the EFP.
But you've finally convinced me that I EÖPV (First
Pedestal Austrian Association) and for Pedestaltraining
Pedestal Certificates reasons ... Must it be ne goldmine, right?
You have to imagine, then, all the camera men at the ORF
want to work, before the certificate in my store!
And then if the EU standard is ... : o)
TYA
All the best for 2007
Markus.
Antwort von rtzbild:
Hello Lobster,
the thing is really simplel:
Camera drauf terminals;
Weight of the cam using the handwheel and scale of the spring mechanism of the pedestal comment;
a lever high: Cam goes high,
same lever down: Cam goes down;
another lever press: Brake is resolved Pedestal can proceed.
lever in the same starting position: fixed pedestal.
Have you ever asked Google?
I will not get rid of the suspicion that the personnel manager of the station already raging carnival, or he simply and simply wants to know if you ever worked with so'n thing searched.
Googel times to "stand", "TV Tripod, Tripod Studio" or something ...
I've found what ever because of what the HR was synonymous now with us and says:
http://www3.ur.se/television/templates/Page____14832.aspx
http://www3.ur.se/television/templates/Page____15119.aspx
HTH Olli
Antwort von Lobster:
Hi Olli,
Thank you sincerely!
Thanks for the Google links. Hab synonymous himself gegoogelt.
Links brauch But I actually do not.
I know very well what a thing looks and works.
Have I been so often synonymous in studios rumgetrieben.
I've just never seen such a thing in his hand had what synonymous
would be no problem - I certainly intus in 10 minutes.
The problem is that I do is not a practice s.einem Pedestal
can. This would result in a certificate course with do ...
I think I am just the channel could be crystallized and credibly convey that I can.
... and because it helps considerably next course if you really worked s.so one thing or an hour "practice" has ...
Thanks again,
Markus.
Antwort von rtzbild:
What are the concrete because einklich?
I understand that you do not like s.ersten day for the live broadcast s.den Saalkran leave, but a tripod gammelig studio?
Or maybe do with "Pedestal" (Latin for "pillar") something else?
Telescopic stage floor maybe?
Olli
Antwort von Lobster:
It's simple and just camera work together in the studio.
Today is apparently so that it only takes people to 50 years of professional experience have been possible and imaginable s.allen devices have worked. The practice should be made elsewhere, it costs too much money ... Only if you have started with 20 then the stop bit too old with 70 years ... : o)
Or is it just - what I planned.
Markus.
Antwort von PowerMac:
What are the concrete because einklich?
I understand that you do not like s.ersten day for the live broadcast s.den Saalkran leave, but a tripod gammelig studio?
Or maybe do with "Pedestal" (Latin for "pillar") something else?
Telescopic stage floor maybe?
Olli So live broadcasts are already difficult. It is not just about the technical operating capacity of the tripod, but with experience in studio and live experience. That one is s.den schedule holds, the director's instructions to implement and how to act in case of problems. The point is that you work safely and confidently.
Nothing against the working style at Ollis Open channel, but live broadcasts in the studio at ORF, etc., are worth many times more complicated.
I suggest you work a few months as a cable support. That brings experience. Watching is nothing.
Antwort von rtzbild:
So live broadcasts are already difficult. It is not just about the technical operating capacity of the tripod, but with experience in studio and live experience. That one is s.den schedule holds, the director's instructions to implement and how to act in case of problems. The point is that you work safely and confidently.
Nothing against the working style at Ollis Open channel, but live broadcasts in the studio at ORF, etc., are worth many times more complicated.
I suggest you work a few months as a cable support. That brings experience. Watching is nothing. Aloha,
sag mal,
You
read the contributions einklich to which you respond?
Lobster is experience-so his remarks s.Studiostativ-proof, not in studio work.
And there I was not my Open Channel ", but the media people here.
OK When I make contributions from their own fun s.der Freud, the "right" channel (and print) news. Messages = $ $
Lobster And what so far has worked as a cameraman, he can tell us some day, because if he deems necessary.
HTH
Olli
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) You read the contributions einklich to which you respond?
Lobster is experience-so his remarks s.Studiostativ-proof, not in studio work. (...) I refuse me your comments. You seem so no idea of studio and live productions have ... If I say to someone, he must know at Pedestal and have proof of this, it means that he must experience as a cameraman in the live operation. Or are you so naive as a journalist to think it was just a matter of competence with a Tripod deal? Preposterous and ridiculous. What do you think the share qualification, the proportion s.technischem assets with the pedestal to work in the camera work in the studio? 0. That's why you read my post again. Nothing else is the colleagues from the ORF.
Our friend even says: "It is plain and simply camera work together in the studio.
Today is apparently so that it only takes people to 50 years of professional experience have been possible and imaginable s.allen devices have worked. The practice should be made elsewhere, it costs too much money ... Only if you have started with 20 then the stop bit too old with 70 years ... : o) "
PS: It is not about to discredit you. You do not synonymous feel angepisst. Yes you can know from the print news, but no dir measured mismatching authority on issues that you do not understand.
Antwort von rtzbild:
(...) You read the contributions einklich to which you respond?
Lobster is experience-so his remarks s.Studiostativ-proof, not in studio work. (...)
I refuse me your comments. You seem so no idea of studio and live productions have ... If I say to someone, he must know at Pedestal and have proof of this, it means that he must experience as a cameraman in the live operation. MUST be garnicht.
He can or should.
A studio cameraman MUST NOT mandatory for live productions should have, what's with movies?
But he SHOULD have done studio work and may.
That with the "live broadcast" was by the way of me which was not mention of Lobster.
Or are you so naive as a journalist to think it was just a matter of competence with a Tripod deal? Preposterous and ridiculous. What do you think the share qualification, the proportion s.technischem assets with the pedestal to work in the camera work in the studio? 0. That's why you read my post again. Nothing else is the colleagues from the ORF. No, I'm not.
I read only what it is.
And it was apparently a stand studio experience required.
OK, does not in reverse, that is not synonymous to an operator or a Steadycam FixCam could apply.
And if I never worked with a Studiocam have, it does not mean that I have no experience as a cameraman had. Most small manufacturing firms set up a shoulder camera and the tripod is the Studiocam.
Our friend even says: "It is plain and simply camera work together in the studio. OK, sorry that he has only mentioned previously, I have read.
So the thread has a brand new tin get.
Today is apparently so that it only takes people to 50 years of professional experience have been possible and imaginable s.allen devices have worked. The practice should be made elsewhere, it costs too much money ... Only if you have started with 20 then the stop bit too old with 70 years ... : o) "
PS: It is not about to discredit you. You do not synonymous feel angepisst. Yes you can know from the print news, but no dir measured mismatching authority on issues that you do not understand. Wen grade here talking to you?
Lobster? IMHO, yes.
Me? Could be synonymous.
Please leave it to me yet, when I was on issues and contribute when they are not.
I leave you your opinion synonymous, synonymous if they do not always match mine.
Sincerely
Olli
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) Should experience Lobster-so-s.Studiostativ his remarks demonstrate, not studio work. (...) It is only interested in the comments Asker in a vacuum? "My dad said that I would be the smarter person in the world." Sure, that's obviously what you meant! It is only the strictly literal speech without connotations? Ever have thought that the director or production manager actually meant something else? Unfortunately, I am synonymous as one of such conditions constitutes s.seine employees and therefore knows what is in the designs means Asker meant. He MUST experience in studio work, understand the transmission end and follow in directing meetings competently represented his department, difficulties and solutions express the overview in the consignment. This is meant! Live is only less forgiven, but otherwise the same.
(...)
MUST be garnicht.
He can or should. (...) Nonsense. In reality, what work you live? He must, of course you can. Qualifications debate? Skills? Abilities? Ever heard? It belongs in any case, the profile of a studio cameraman, of everything I mentioned can be MUST. He might be a good cameraman, but it's just about skills in the TV studio. The count. I am a professional educator; without these skills so you can not use someone. You have to teach him before. That can take years. I work here and usbeim SWR studio cameramen have at least one training program for media designers Picture / sound or have a diploma. And for weeks they are semiskilled. Moreover, education certificates are pure little importance, are much more complex skills and abilities and practical skills for use in each area is important.
(...) A studio cameraman MUST NOT mandatory for live productions should have, what's with movies? (...) Studio cameramen profession than there is on television. Staged productions (with movies you define) are synonymous although produced in the studio, here are the people directly s.der Camera as a "swivel" or "operator" means. These are in turn their own professions.
(...) But he SHOULD have done studio work and may. (...) He must if he wants to run the studio activities. Basta. These are not debatable discourses, which are solid qualification conditions, using a people in a work context necessarily only legitimize. Everything else is the person or the production to not be fair. Fortunately, we have skill requirements.
(...) And if I never worked with a Studiocam have, it does not mean that I have no experience as a cameraman had. Most small manufacturing firms set up a shoulder camera and the tripod is the Studiocam. (...) This relates to the ORF, not small production companies. The end of an item in an ORF-Studio (even for a live broadcast of the not yet talk about) differs greatly nunmal small studio of scenarios for small production companies. It is clear, well outside the experience, only studio camera work is something other than EB or Staged work.
(...) OK, sorry, that he first mentioned earlier, I have read. (...) Please leave it to me yet, when I was on issues and contribute when they are not. (...) I leave you your opinion synonymous, synonymous if they do not always match mine. (...) That is no problem. Only it's not very nice to me, "non-reading" to insinuate something even if you did not Gelsenkirchen. I have. Only you misjudge the reality of working a little. Certain skills are a MUST. No director, no manager, no staff
Antwort von rtzbild:
Powermac,
I agree with you insofar that a harmonious team says a "mach at times" and the rest know what to do.
But if an unknown user is filled and after a studio tripod asks, I will confine myself to the demand.
If I were in the former main-professional apprentices say "head down", then everyone knows when and how what has to be done.
I tell you, but "head down", the statement is worth as much as the much-quoted message about the sack of rice.
So far we know very little about Lobster, it is because media designer? A university graduate of Fine Arts? Or even EB-man, like me, the of the street wants to dry?
ORF wanted not just a certificate, but even a qualification certificate?
Questions about questions ...
BTW: An EB I love that I do not know what will happen in 5 minutes ...
Olli
* the "reporters on the spot" *
Antwort von PowerMac:
At the studio I love that I know exactly what is and in five minutes will be. ;)
Antwort von Lobster:
Hi Olli!
PowerMac Hello!
Hardly watch short times in the thread - as the post goes from ...
So to my experience:
I'm 35th
With 8, I have my first experiences with the Super8 Camera made.
Afterwards, I was very much busy with photography.
In particular, S / W (besides studying biology and architecture).
Quick has been my great technical talent endorsed.
Belongings at the University of Vienna Vienna University of Technology and the "movie business" learned. Too much
Simply by learning by doing. Like, for example, After Effects, Maya, etc.
As it was formerly so common in this area.
For about 10 years time I Camera. Beginning of Hi8, S-VHS on
Betacam to DVCam, DVCPro, Digibeta, etc.
Also available as a cutter, I have a lot of work - with almost all the programs because
so on the market rumschwirren. And for the last time almost exclusively with
AVID Liquid Pro synonymous with the works of the ORF.
Since 2002, I am holder of a trade license for film and
a small video production company - Crow video.
Experience in the studio, I have very little and only because
Small studios are not Pedestal used.
I have with some cameramen talking (ORF synonymous). The confirm me
repeatedly that the studio is not really much more difficult
than as an EB-camera man, even where, as mentioned, often almost
same cameras as synonymous in the Field Production verwedet be.
Of course abgesegehen camera instructions and expiry date.
I find the work as a cable support is so beautiful and good. You get
operation in the studio with. But not much more or less than if
one in the same studio sits and watches. If I am in the Channel
can move freely, then I can look at the synonymous directions
from the perspective of the director to listen and watch area. I can
as the cable does not help. As I said cable support in all honesty. The are a
great help and very important and often is yes then suddenly, as the
everyday studio operation shows the cable support themselves behind the camera, because
Cameraman any sick or planning durcheinanderläuft.
I'm soon (January) training "Camera in the composite.
The content inetwa:
Theory --
From the aesthetic perspective change on theater records
Interconnection and communication via intercom to cut list versus free
Announcement and cooperation with the tonmeister
Practice --
Studio recording of discussions with 5 cameras and analysis, and
Recording of a stage production by a truck up to
Analyzing the record and get to know the post-production.
Just hurry this course the rumor, that there supposedly is not with
Pedestal worked.
That was the reason why I wanted umhören whether it be
a course exists.
I was in November Care4Work advertised the camera men
ORF for the "give". They have told me that you are particularly
comes that man with a pedestal way.
Thus, I am in the February / March again at the ORF (or
Care4Work) advertise as a cameraman.
So much for my experience.
But I think this is precisely the point, yes.
It will fix any broadcaster camera ready perfect recruit people in the
best ever in the studio this channel have worked.
There must be something like a Anlernphase give.
How should I practice, because if I am in a studio None can?
From theory to me since the end of the Studio.
As always synonymous - I have not thought that I would be a
To trigger discussion.
I actually wanted to know whether it is in the field Pedestal courses.
Nothing else.
Although executions are here synonymous hochinterssant!
Liebe Grüße,
Markus.
Antwort von Lobster:
An EB, or documentation, I love the spontaneity.
It often really do not know what happens next.
On the creative work scenischen implementation of an often narrow book.
At the studio, the challenge to keep the rudder at the synonymous
difficult circumstances.
And even a technically perfect and aesthetically exciting mission
make. Perfect like clockwork. This is sometimes synonymous to date
needs.
Markus.
Antwort von torti3005:
I have with some cameramen talking (ORF synonymous). The me time and again confirm that the studio is not really much harder than the as-EB Kamermann, even where, as mentioned, often almost the same cameras as synonymous in the Field Production verwedet be.
[...]
I actually wanted to know whether it is in the field Pedestal courses.
From the time I have a general idea: The work s.der studio camera is in my view a completely different profession than any other camera work. This has two reasons: One is dealing with the pumping exercise a strong thing. At least when driving in the "On" to be completed. Thou shalt possibly with the pump drive, alter the Height and still synonymous with your picture under control. This simultaneous movement has nowhere else as a cameraman. On the other hand, if possible you should always be a broadcast picture, because you never know whether the image director gives you a warning or not.
Pure studio cameramen synonymous but have drawbacks: You must never make a white balance do not even the correct Aperture setting, never make light (makes the "First cameraman" or "chief cameraman) and they are never on their own. The "Outside-Cameraman" by contrast, is always lone and must under all conditions get good pictures.
Consequently, take two quite different professions on one another, with the change of outdoors to the studio is certainly better than vice versa. Hence, it is enough if the ORF Outdent value on experience with the pump sets, because this really the only one that you never make.
I would not write anything if I do not synonymous nor a concrete idea for you would have: In Austria I do not know, but in Germany there is the School of Broadcasting Technology (SRT) in Nuremberg, it is not soooo far away of you . They have a studio there synonymous with large pumps and may offer the seminars. Maybe you can where synonymous against Money s.einem corresponding small part of a course and attend get the desired confirmation. Nur mal so as an idea.
Matthias
Antwort von Lobster:
Dear Matthias,
yes, I see exactly the difference of how you call it
"Outside, camera-man" and studio camera man synonymous.
I think the requirements s.die work with the Pedestal resemble
a bit of work which s.einem crane. Or if
Eg. Feature Films for a dolly is used. Then still holding the
Level of the Pneumatic height adjustment with them. All this requires
Exercise. But to me such things as not difficult, I think that I
fast in the grip will have. That one always "On" is or should be,
that is broadcast pictures, I should make clear. But even the
yes tried it as a camera around at a concert recording synonymous.
I have already realized Ettlich times. If you have any further
lack of money with only a single camera works, then you are always
pointed out, for example, a position change, as quickly
"broadcast" Picture to get, because an otherwise half the songs missing.
Thank you for your tip with the School of Broadcasting Technology (SRT) in
Nuremberg! Will I make, if nothing else follows.
S.alle Thank you for your contributions.
I'm already much clearer about my path I walk
be.
I am, of course on every other input.
Whether tip, criticism, or else ...
Markus.
Antwort von torti3005:
I think the requirements s.die work with the Pedestal resemble those of a little work s.einem crane. Or if you eg. Feature Films for a dolly is used. Exactly - only with the difference that you're in a remote crane have two people, namely the swivel directly s.Kran and the operator s.Pult. And the movie filming with Dolly, you have even three people: the dolly driver, incidentally, very respected people, then the cameraman on the dolly and next to him, nor the sharpness down. And as a studio cameraman you need to make it all alone. And yet to watch that you are serious with your device does not crash into the decoration or a speedy work not swing a viewer or the recording head (which is like next to a camera) with the lens, whose front end is almost 1.5 meters in front of you located to a new denture verhilfst ... :-)
Although I have in my studio to cut decorative purposes Bosch KCM-125 on a Vinten-Pedestal (Fulmar) and can thus be synonymous few meters, but in practice I can jump in the live operation (foreign transfers) at all times as a camera on hand, because the my other camera work more in line. I could not pump.
Matthias
