Frage von Revilo999:
My camcorder is Canon MV4i with Progressive Scan CCD. Until recently I used the word "Progressive Scan" is perceived, but not consciously! Recordings I have always so in "normal mode" half done. Now my question: When I camcorder with the full record, but then a DVD produced for the television wants to zerpflückt my editing program (Vegas 5.0) again and make them full justice to television fields. So what is the meaning of progressive scan?
Thanks, Oliver
Antwort von Axel:
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Antwort von HeikoS:
Jay,
you come on a course synonymous progressive non-working TV in the enjoyment. After all, the video is always on the same kind of transfer, namely halbbildbasiert, regardless of the recording mode. The only stumbling block: Progressive working TV `s must be communicated by means of a flag that it will signal the image no longer need to deinterlace, because both fields are the same movement phase play. Otherwise you lose unnecessarily s.Resolution.
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Sense of the progressive mode is a video image as a full record.
On a TV this device is then reproduced as 50p. Picture each 2X.
The interlace method, the images in the sequence ABABAB played. In progressive mode AABBAABB.
The advantage is the well-known flicker through the lines to jump is gone. Purchase 99% of all DVDs are recorded Progressive. Therefore, it is not a problem synonymous Progressiv your videos on DVD to burn. Does not your TV progressive YUV / HDMI input, makes nothing, because the DVD player via S-Video / CVBS already an interlace signal out there.
Antwort von HeikoS:
Again, I must oppose:
There are draus 25p. Exactly the same as a feature film that is shown on TV. 50p yes would mean that twice the bandwidth of a normal PAL signal would be claimed. I do not. The local resolution is increased at the expense of time possible. Because s.Ende Does a nested fields in 50 of image signal.
What you are talking about is a 100 Hz TV, playback of the two dominates.
The ABAB mode (which eliminates the flickering lines 25Hz) respectively. AaBb mode, which eliminates the large fibrillation.
The ABAB mode only works when both fields are the same motion information have either the same phase of movement (Progressive recording) or no movement s.sich (static image content), because otherwise a permanent front-and back to see would be ( A time is always before B)
Antwort von Axel:
Again, I must oppose:
There are draus 25p. Exactly the same as a feature film that is shown on TV. 50p yes would mean that twice the bandwidth of a normal PAL signal would be claimed. I do not. The local resolution is increased at the expense of time possible. Because s.Ende Does a nested fields in 50 of image signal. Schon. How is but a device that is forced to "a half in 50 nested image signal" to show a full description ( "It will be 25p of it.") Manage? Is it not so (correction desired, since semi-acknowledged) that each of each odd row, according to a field in
time with the straight line alternating? Almost the first half
ver glow, while the second,
he glows? The third field is now (coming from the odd lines of the second frames of the progressive recording exists) weaves already fading into the second field.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
Weis Wikipedia (as always) synonymous What ...
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Antwort von HeikoS:
So, like two half ineinanderverschactelt look like when they are presented progressively, we all know. Therefore we have simply an interlace video screen on a computer screen.
The monitor displays both fields at the same time, we recognize "Combs' s.den bodies, where the half time differ from each other.
A tube TV "separates" the two fields apart, he always just any second (2n) on the line and then writes Matscheibe every odd second (2n +1). This is the correct sequence of movement is restored.
If one now has a progressive recording, a recording in which all rows the same time (movement phase) represent, then you can just like a computer screen, each line in succession on the screen to write. If this mode the monitor beherscht. Does he not, the result is, however (with the exception of the edges flicker at 25Hz not 100Hz ABAB TV `s) the same. Also Technically resolution.
The correct "flag" a Progressivaufnahme is therefore only necessary in cases in which either a tube monitor, which is in a position to play synonymous progressive, or a deinterlacer Progressivdisplay with which otherwise, as already mentioned, a half unnecessarily removed or interpolated, used for playback.
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Again, I must oppose:
There are draus 25p. Exactly the same as a feature film that is shown on TV. 50p yes would mean that twice the bandwidth of a normal PAL signal would be claimed. I do not. The local resolution is increased at the expense of time possible. Because s.Ende Does a nested fields in 50 of image signal.
What you are talking about is a 100 Hz TV, playback of the two dominates.
The ABAB mode (which eliminates the flickering lines 25Hz) respectively. AaBb mode, which eliminates the large fibrillation.
The ABAB mode only works when both fields are the same motion information have either the same phase of movement (Progressive recording) or no movement s.sich (static image content), because otherwise a permanent front-and back to see would be ( A time is always before B) Hello Heiko,
A TV movie in Pal 50i is shown, each field appears in the 25 X is 50 sec half.
Of course, a TV for the progressive mode has a higher bandwidth to the pictures in a row 2 X play, which is holding Ablenkfrequenz twice as high.
It is true that there is no real 50p mode is because only 25 images are available. These are but as described AaBb played. this has nothing to do with 100 Hz TV to do because at 100 Hz TV just the other half is played in addition, because of this but a different image content is still flickers. Had your first and second field, however, the same image content then you could take synonymous 100Hz and the flicker is gone. ABAB
Not quite correct, this is a tube device generates the lines jump, tube equipment can very well write lines 1,2,3,4. (See PC monitor), the line jump is of the PAL TV decoder generates and gives the info s.die tube next to the line to be jumped.
For the Resolution: The Resolutionob Interlace or Progressive is the same, the advantage, especially in quieter Picture. The overall impression, however, is clearly more progressive mode.
Antwort von oliver999:
Thank you for the many replies. So far I thought I had the Halbbildverfahren understood - far from it! I'm still confused as before. If I understand correctly, will bring me into the recording frames never drawbacks. I have a 100Hz Television (flickerfree says the manual - Toshiba 28H37GZ). Whether it is a ABAB Television is, I can not say, is synonymous nowhere. Did I understand correctly that I can enjoy better quality of recordings come when I 1st frames in movies, 2 editing program in the half off, 3 a 100 Hz (ABAB) Television have - right?
Oliver
Antwort von Marco:
"When I camcorder with the full record, but then a DVD produced for the television wants to zerpflückt my editing program (Vegas 5.0) again and make them full justice to television fields." If that is the case, of you but was not desired, then you had the wrong settings in Vegas Render used (possibly in conjunction with incorrect project settings for progressive rendering).
Vegas (any version) can be both progressive material such as capture, edit and output synonymous again. All a matter of settings. Also I work in Vegas often with progressive material and there was synonymous as such again.
Marco
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Hi Oliver,
do test shots! Film a checkered cloth s.and create a DVD in interlaced mode and progressive mode. In the first case, the substance and flicker in the second case, the substance should be no flicker more visible.
Second Test: Move an object during the recording diagonally through Biild. (but not too fast)
Compare your results and judge yourself
Antwort von Platinum:
why is it not possible, in the 16:9 mode Progressive to film? Can me somebody please explain?
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
The anamorphic images are not by Optics (except with Aanmorphot) but generated by the electronics.
Perhaps because the technology is overwhelmed.
Antwort von HeikoS:
Hello Heiko,
A TV movie in Pal 50i is shown, each field appears in the 25 X is 50 sec half.
Of course, a TV for the progressive mode has a higher bandwidth to the pictures in a row 2 X play, which is holding Ablenkfrequenz twice as high. And this is called a 100 Hz TV.
It is true that there is no real 50p mode is because only 25 images are available. These are but as described AaBb played. this has nothing to do with 100 Hz TV to do because at 100 Hz TV just the other half is played in addition, because of this but a different image content is still flickers.
Had your first and second field, however, the same image content then you could take synonymous 100Hz and the flicker is gone. ABAB
Not quite correct, this is a tube device generates the lines jump, tube equipment can very well write lines 1,2,3,4. (See PC monitor), the line jump is of the PAL TV decoder generates and gives the info s.die tube next to the line to be jumped.
Where to ask nicely, I have written that interlace tubes EXCLUSIVELY represent? It was about tube TV's. Call me a TV tube, the progressive work.
Oh yes, and Oliver: Udo did you already suggested, do take a camera into the swing speed that an object in the picture of left to right at the 2-3Sekunden vorbeizieht. If you live with the Ruckelei can, then the progressive mode is right for you. Otherwise rather stay with interlace.
So simple is this
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Again, I must oppose:
There are draus 25p. Exactly the same as a feature film that is shown on TV
Your words, and that is wrong.
Each tube video projector works with CRT tubes, my (Barco Cine 6) Progressives can play videos and not with 100 Hz but with 50p.
For your info, cinemas synonymous with work and 24 images as synonymous gehts!
How? The wing panel goes easy on each picture, so it is 2 X then 48p and nothing else, the progressive mode when each picture 2 X is reproduced.
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Before you say now that it's no TV is the same tubes are synonymous in rear projection equipment installed.
Antwort von HeikoS:
I think you're a misunderstanding with regard to naming conventions impose.
25p says nothing about how often the picture is being played, but how much movement phases per second AUFGEZEICHNETwurden. And that's just irrelevant. With the wing panel in the movies or a picture repetition INTERNAL in a monitor is the only large area flicker is prevented. So, no preference with what frequency I use the Picture nacher reflect whether 50, 75, 100 - it remains at the low temporal Resolutionvon 25 frames per second.
And the jerky nunmal for certain movements. That is the disadvantage of 25p recording. And only this mode is hidden in the pleasant Consumercams names: "Progressive"
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
I think you're a misunderstanding with regard to naming conventions impose.
25p says nothing about how often the picture is being played, but how much movement phases per second AUFGEZEICHNETwurden. And that's just irrelevant. With the wing panel in the movies or a picture repetition INTERNAL in a monitor is the only large area flicker is prevented. So, no preference with what frequency I use the Picture nacher reflect whether 50, 75, 100 - it remains at the low temporal Resolutionvon 25 frames per second.
And the jerky nunmal for certain movements. That is the disadvantage of 25p recording. And only this mode is hidden in the pleasant Consumercams names: "Progressive" So Heiko, You are wrong!
The PAL interlace signal arose in the time unit of 1sec. 50 images play. At that time, it was technically not in the Location 50 frames / sec transfer. With 25 images to get calm but no Picture. So one has the pictures in half and successively presented. The only way to quiet the Picture with the disadvantage of the known flicker.
And why should a cinema screen flicker? Slide projector so my power is not synonymous.
Antwort von HeikoS:
then you should rewrite this article here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umlaufblende
Can you give me any references provide? Is ne serious question interested me.
And you can through your slide projector 25 frames / sec durchjagen? Wow.
The flicker is the fact that the projection for the duration of the transport has to be interrupted. It would be a light-dark change of 24 Hz and that can do the human visual system is still very good exercise. If another light-dark shift introduced, take this as a continuous suddenly true. Keyword: Flimmerfrequenz that are not part of the merger with verwechsaeln frequency (16-18Hz) is.
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Hello Heiko,
maybe we talk synonymous to each other.
The wing will open aperture at the right moment to pass the light Lens view the picture on the screen to throw.
This is the moment of further transportes hidden.
If the aperture twice on the picture is running, it generates two identical optical images.
The hide of the onward transport to the Picture and quiet does not run of top-down as the film in the projector to the screen.
That you may know I've read, maybe I have expressed above unfavorable.
PS: I even have often read it with the 25p with Videocams not work so well because of jerky motion. Since I purchase the DVDs of her very good experience playing with the Progressives would have me interested in why this is so. Film has only 24 pictures 25 pictures and video. should really go. Have not even had P Camera.
Antwort von Axel:
PS: I even have often read it with the 25p with Videocams not work so well because of jerky motion. Since I buy the DVDs of her very good experience playing with the Progressives would have me interested in why this is so. Film has only 24 pictures 25 pictures and video. should really go. Have not even had P Camera. Of these problems, we can read again and again. By Heiko and Marco was synonymous to this issue in another thread, the 25F mode on the Canon XH A1. Meanwhile, I can from my own intuition to describe exactly what's true and what is not:
1. The movement in resolution of 25p represents the film (24p or 25p - even the
editors have to acknowledge that there is no aesthetic difference). This movement is worse than in 50i dissolved. Are you going out now and films such as your dog with hand-held camera, as he on the lawn with a ball herumtollt (an example set of Strohy video), then you tend to stroboskopartige absolutely movements have, of course synonymous depending on time of the closure, which ideally for 25p at 1/50tel set should remain fixed. This is actually bucking. This Jerkiness did you work in a similar camera synonymous with a film camera had.
2. As described above, must be for DV over the line and jump in the NLE in the further processing in an appropriate default will be ignored. Gecapturet is normal as a DV. For HDV, the preset 720 or 1080p 25p necessarily NLE installed (after appropriate presets google HP or Adobe attention), otherwise
A good bucking nightmarish as it is on Wolfgang's (RUSSELS) HDV blog for a time was visible.
3. 25p has the same disadvantages and advantages as a feature film.
Oh yes, and Oliver: Udo did you already suggested, do take a camera into the swing speed that an object in the picture of left to right at the 2-3Sekunden vorbeizieht. If you live with the Ruckelei can, then the progressive mode is right for you. Otherwise rather stay with interlace.
So simple is this So a question of taste. I suspect however, that an alien is Heiko, because by its own admission, he is always in the movies in the rearmost row, as he forwards the individual movement phases and distinguishes him then of the Ruckelei is bad ...
Even without any direct camera to buy, so you can test how 25p excluded by du 50i deinterlaced. No matter if they lose a little resolution, you want to even see what it is with the ominous shakes is all about.
