Frage von deti:
@ Rptelevision:
I repeated the test between now and HPX301E EX3. Enclosed with two frames, recorded in 1080p25 f/4.0 ND1-3dB. The result is again turned out exactly the same. My favorite is still the EX3, because better quality pictures at smaller file size, although the form factor is not so great. The latter can be achieved by the purchase of a shoulder rest for 30 ¬ to make up for it. Remains to be seen whether the HPX370 is really better. At least that was Black dot problem seems so synonymous with our Model already eliminated almost entirely to be.
Deti
Antwort von ruessel:
No.1 is detailed, No.2 muddy .... Camera which is what?
Antwort von deti:
No.1 is detailed, No.2 muddy .... Camera which is what? Take it as a guessing game - but the text actually speaks for itself ;-)
Deti
Antwort von ruessel:
So powerful I have the 1 / 2 inch edge not present ....
Antwort von deti:
I do not synonymous, but funny indeed claims the slashCAM test something else. This is the conclusion I should have come synonymous - but I have illuminated the test image well, meticulously focused, according to the BBC Maximum Aperture f / 4 respected and put the gain at-3dB. Also, by reducing the preset Coring, or even the sharpness artificially raise, has not changed s.Ergebnis.
Deti
Antwort von ruessel:
... Panasonic spends a lot of money for advertising and marketing. ;-)
Or your tester / Lens Series is s.Rande scattering.
Antwort von deti:
My personal and not by factual underpinning to conjecture: We have a very new HPX301E that the Black-dot problem does not show noticeable. I assume this was by Panasonic modifies the series so that the overall picture is filtered more.
Deti
Antwort von r.p.television:
Thank you Deti!
Your test chart confirms many statements of people who possess both a HPX300/301 and a EX1/E3. These all say that they like the Picture of the EX1 so much better (and in all score - not just resolution of detail and sharpness). Everyone wants a shoulder in the EX1 format as the HPX301/370.
Now there are even in the form of PMW350. The's will probably be synonymous for me. Is more expensive but very much better score in many. The Kitobjektiv is better and wide-angle, it is almost noise free and very very light sensitive (2 / 3 "Thanks be) and the Full screen video is first compressed times more efficient and does not consume as many cards.
What I have of 10bit at Panasonic if the EX1 Picture a still better and more synonymous Dynamic Range has?
If there is to be 4:2:2 for sure I'll buy me a NanoFlash, then the camera better than the much more expensive and less noise and more sensitive to light because PDW700/800 flexible with the recording formats.
Especially on this camera 100% positive reflects what one of the HPX301 will not say really can.
On my B-Camera I do not now whether EX1 (R) or one of the new Canons. Allersdings I'd tend to Sonyweil more professional support, probably better lowlight / noise ratio.
Antwort von r.p.television:
So powerful I have the 1 / 2 inch edge not present .... All the more galling that synonymous Canon with the new Henkelcams again on 1 / 3 "sets. I think there simply is a physical limit to what the Resolutionder chips because of their pixel distance / Combination noise performance and the filtering concerns. 1 / 3" roars longer means more Filtering means more blur.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Excitation s.den Moderator:
From the current test charts of Deti would be a new thread is to make sense in some hot
Comparison HPX301/370 and EX1/EX3 and PMW350
Where else here too offtopic for the thread.
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Antwort von ruessel:
All the more galling that synonymous with the new Canon Henkelcams again on 1 / 3 "sets. Do I just ..... synonymous if the prejudice is actually one already. The camera is 2 years too late.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Yes, as they have been slow time properly. So I'm so synonymous ever expressed the suspicion that Canon has to be set early in the evolution of the 1 / 3 "and could not respond.
It has focused skew and noise of the small chips optimized. It would be much easier with larger sensors. Also falling in principle the requirements s.das Objetkiv (synonymous when the effect reversed at best specifically, but that has more to do with the number of items).
The Picture of the EX1 has the details off such a naturally beautiful sharpness. When I look at as the Picture of HPX301 - this looks like accidentally in Comparison with non-promoting Aperture filmed. I do not like at all. I still hope that the HPX370 will be much better, but I fear that they have improved only noise, BlackDots, light sensitivity and skew, perhaps even to the detriment of the resolution.
Antwort von ruessel:
Let's see if Sonynoch reacts and presents a successor to the old Ex3. There are even rumors in that direction ..... EX3R? Which is then yes the price with the Panasonic in about the same or 1,500 Euronen below. What does the NanoFlash again .... :-)
Antwort von r.p.television:
NanoFlash Media currently priced at BPM 2995, - net. Cheap when you consider what the Sonyfür PDW700 can stay free of charge - and can only 50mbit 422nd There is the more flexible and offers NanoFlash synonymous Prerecord and things like that.
EX3'm not so interested because I have the ergonomics of my XL H1'm pissed off. Maybe I am there own but I can not work with such a top heavy thing right. Then I find an EX1 or a shoulder as the camera PMW350 better to work with. The concept of the XL is H1/EX3 nix nix half and whole.
If you are interested in you for the EX3 and have not worked so I would ask you urgently to recommend you first rent it if you is good for the thing to work.
Antwort von ruessel:
No, I had until now only with the EX1 rotated ..... I often need a proper CA wide open, would be such a part in the EX3 to have optional favorable. All WW Konverterkram gets on my page ...
I turn to 99.9% only from the tripod, as the tree form would play little role.
The PWM 350 would be even better (wide?) But the costs drehfertig but almost $ 10,000 more.
Antwort von gast3:
@ Rptelevision:
can it be said that for the reasons stated XLH1 (neither one u.nichts whole) on sale soon??
Antwort von r.p.television:
@ Rptelevision:
can it be said that for the reasons stated XLH1 (neither one u.nichts whole) on sale soon?? Yes, you. I currently only have been waiting an eternity for a new accessory shoe. The fact is as with my XH A1 bent, because the head light was too heavy for long.
Otherwise the camcorder s.Mitte April for sale.
Both camcorders are in very good condition. In the XH A1 has just made a customer (new shoes) and it was the same synonymous recall done because of the impending rupture of the Handschlaufenöse.
Asking price: XL H1 with Kitobjektiv 3000, - and two Batteries, XH A1 with two Batteries 2550, -, Century Wide Angle0, 8 for XL H1 Kitoptik 500, -, WW-Converter WD-72 Canon 250 - Ranyox Fisheye 180PRO- HD for 300, -
Antwort von r.p.television:
The PWM 350 would be even better (wide?) But the costs drehfertig but almost $ 10,000 more. Better in Comparison to the HPX301. Its something with 36mm Lens 4.5 are miniature. Such as the EX1, EX3 and synonymous with the Kitoptik the PMW350 31.4 mm better. Since most things do you manage without. And for the few times should then submit Converter.
But I'll really would recommend you borrow the EX3 for now. Perhaps it is good for you, perhaps are you doing to me that they slowly gathering dust because you prefer working with a smaller (or larger) Camera.
Some swear yes on the design of the EX3. I myself can not understand that. It is even balance difficult, the camera on a tripod, because the normal carriage not enough to establish top-heavy balance, that is, if one solves the vertical lock tilt the camera more forward or at a suitable spring just ugly to tilt - down is easy , the top is difficult.
Antwort von r.p.television:
t. .... I often need a proper CA wide open, would be such a part in the EX3 to have optional favorable. All WW Konverterkram gets on my page ...
I think the CAC-correction works synonymous with the optional Sony-WW-Converter together for 500 Euros. Do kucken again where I read that. However, we have something with a factor 0.8 with 25mm, the 8x Wide Anglefür the EX3 delivers miniature 22mm round.
In computer video several times they have tested on the EX3 optics, including the Sony-synonymous Converter. I kuck after time, but maybe you know the article.
Antwort von gast3:
@ Rptelevision:
can it be said that for the reasons stated XLH1 (neither one u.nichts whole) on sale soon??
Yes, you. I currently only have been waiting an eternity for a new accessory shoe. The fact is as with my XH A1 bent, because the head light was too heavy for long.
Otherwise the camcorder s.Mitte April for sale.
Both camcorders are in very good condition. In the XH A1 has just made a customer (new shoes) and it was the same synonymous recall done because of the impending rupture of the Handschlaufenöse.
Asking price: XL H1 with Kitobjektiv 3000, - and two Batteries, XH A1 with two Batteries 2550, -, Century Wide Angle0, 8 for XL H1 Kitoptik 500, -, WW-Converter WD-72 Canon 250 - Ranyox Fisheye 180PRO- HD for 300, - Have a message sent by mail!
lG
Antwort von WoWu:
And now, again with decent white balance.
Unfortunately, the illumination from images Detis not uniformly, with the result that the upper parts of both pictures a different light values than the lower parts of the image. This affects s.Anschnitt.
A quick note: An incorrect White balance has a direct effect on the sharpness of (MTF). Comparisons, without precise settings are actually useless. Nevertheless, here (for the intuition) the same images. The subsequent correction of course can not replace the original-MTF and the associated clarity. That should have done the same for the Recording g'scheid-as well as a clean illumination.
Antwort von Harald_123:
I repeated the test between now and HPX301E EX3. As for the Panasonic codec was set? Could that explain this very "special" results? If the AVC-Intra codec not possibly still think so?
Antwort von WoWu:
Harald
In one, he STILL does not codec. Since only one IDR is generated.
Antwort von domain:
A false White balance has a direct effect on the sharpness of (MTF).
Antwort von r.p.television:
I'm sometimes assume that the top picture is an EX and the lower the HPX301.
Looks at first glance very much better, only in the vertical Resolutionsäuft much earlier from the bottom.
Antwort von WoWu:
I would wish to derive from the charts at all, because they are so full of defects that lead inevitably to incorrect representations.
A very good Comparison (synonymous in terms of resolution) give the two BBC White Papers WHP034 for HPX-ADD38 and ADD30 for WHP034-EX1 / 3 her. They are cleaned and allow conclusions.
I can only repeat were against such self-made tests.
They are meant well, but as long as you (synonymous only in the approach) has different requirements is all waste.
My example should serve only as synonymous intuition, how drastically can change impressions and images.
Deti, no offense. Nevertheless, thank you.
@ Rptelevision
With the Resolutionist such a thing ... weighted one, the alias | Wavefront Mayaing accordingly, the cameras seem to lie not so far apart. Synonymous remains the question of whether the limiting factor is not, once more, the Lens.
We operate the JVC adapter that we s.der HPX optical Resolutionnochmals dramatically (with a 16mm lens) sets up. (Prima productions for 1080, less good for 720 - so everything has its pros and cons)
It is thus less of the camera head, as often the Optics. Maybe the Sony is synonymous Optics einwenig sharper, can be anything. But is pure speculation, unless you know the elements compares.
Moreover Resolutionauch is only one aspect. For us, for example, the 10-bit capability in the mail a very important argument, the times of 4:2:2 is quite apart. So even if the sharpness with the Originalobjektiv should be slightly worse, the remaining arguments are greater still.
Also a Picture impression as Deti has very rightly stated, is important. But he is really a matter of taste ... I remember as s.den "FILM LOOK" whatever that may be synonymous in the eyes of the beholder.
And einwenig more contrast in the lower spatial frequencies often leads to "better" perceived Picture, although less effective details are shown. It is very much synonymous and often only a matter of taste, which can really represent in any chart.
