Frage von Sven_Bötcher:
Hello,
on the phone and in the car (in Navi installed), I use it quite like
in order to Kurzweil in a traffic jam on the parking lot during the break and etc.
synonymous never had problems with the picture quality.
Today I have my now-FullHD Television has received and the synonymous
DVB-T tuner with indoors. I trust my eyes and it seemed unlikely
as if you would s.PC a 320 x 240 video to full inflate.
Very cruel, even the analog cable picture looks better. Why is
I previously had never noticed, you really only looks at
larger sizes or is it because the image information so
somehow to 1920 x 1080 pixels will be inflated? Which native
Resolutionhat DVB-T anyway?
Bye
Sven
Antwort von Markus Vinke:
Hello,
I have three questions on the new DVD technology-T.
1. Can I receive so synonymous premiere?
2. Do I need a house as synonymous amplifiers, such as analogue
Receiving antenna, if you wish to provide multiple receivers?
3. Can anyone from Berlin say how the quality is. Is it
just as good as DVB-S?
Thanks for the answers!
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Antwort von Bernd Ohm:
> 1 Can I receive so synonymous premiere?
No..
> 2 Do I need a house as synonymous amplifiers, such as analogue
> Receiving antenna, if you wish to provide multiple receivers?
No, because usually it works with an indoor antenna.
A well-developed terrestrial antenna system can be
weiterbenutzt be easy.
> 3 Can anyone from Berlin say how the quality is. Is it
> Just as good as DVB-S?
No, the data for each program is again small
than the already partially low data rate of many Programs
in DVB-S and DVB-C.
up because, BEN
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Antwort von Alan Tiedemann:
Markus Vinke wrote:
> I have three questions on the new DVD technology-T.
> 1 Can I receive so synonymous premiere?
Theoretically yes, practically no - Premiere broadcasts only on cable and via satellite
> 2 Do I need a house as synonymous amplifiers, such as analogue
> Receiving antenna, if you wish to provide multiple receivers?
No amplifier, receiver yes - depending Television / recorder is exactly one.
> 3 Can anyone from Berlin say how the quality is. Is it
> Just as good as DVB-S?
Could it be similar.
Gruß,
Alan
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Antwort von Carsten Krueger:
cross post and fup2 de.comp.tv video, because here's OT Arg is.
Ralf Schulz wrote:
CK> [DVB-T MPEG2 has visible artifacts due to low bitrate]
> Unfortunately, no blocks visible habs just great times s.den
> Television connected.
Sorry but you're blind or your equipment can
generally not useful to Picture.
Grab an image source with a lot of movement or fog, etc. (720 x
576 px) and encodable with 3 mbit them, look at the result.
A good example would encoder http://www.tmpgenc.net/, a very good
http://www.cinemacraft.com/eng/index.html
Info how to do that is here: http://www.doom9.org/
Alternatively you can NEN synonymous Test of DVB-T in matching
Read journals.
> And for pure PAL resolution sufficient bitrate
> of all, DVDs are often less.
DVDs have a short part of such low bit rates, when the scene
requires little bitrate.
Times I've seen just after Star Wars Episode 4 has a
average video data rate of ~ 6.4 mbit (peak to 9.8 mbit what
the maximum allowed for DVDs).
M2V is 5,906,902,035 bytes
Length 1:59:37 hours
And even with bad ne DVD quality (Eiskalte Angel) has in
Average 4.5 mbit video data.
Gruß Carsten
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Antwort von Mario Schulze:
Hi
Carsten Krueger wrote:
> Grab an image source with a lot of movement or fog, etc. (720 x
> 576 px) and encodable with 3 mbit them, look at the result.
> A good example would encoder http://www.tmpgenc.net/, a very good
> http://www.cinemacraft.com/eng/index.html
> Details how to do that is here: http://www.doom9.org/
The image quality of these encoder you can not with the image of
professional machines compare. For the same bit rate, the
often a much better picture.
> Alternatively, you can NEN synonymous Test of DVB-T in matching
> Read journals.
That may be. I myself have neither DTT nor have interest in it (did
DVB-S) but, as I already wrote above - just the pure rate of
to close the quality is not quite true.
> And even with bad ne DVD quality (Eiskalte Angel) has in
> Section 4.5 mbit video data.
DVDs are often synonymous with poor image quality an artificially
Driven by high bitrate on the main movie over 4.7 GB to bring order and
easy to copy a DVD disc to prevent.
Greeting
Mario
Antwort von Carsten Krueger:
"Mario Schulze" wrote:
> The image quality of these encoder you can not with the image of
> professional machines compare. For the same bit rate, the
> often a much better picture.
It's possible that you never have heard of CCE?
> That may be. I myself have neither DTT nor have interest in it (did
> DVB-S) but, as I already wrote above - just the pure rate of
> to close the quality is not quite true.
From a low bitrate to poor picture quality close
is fairly simple.
> DVDs are often synonymous with poor image quality an artificially
> high bit rate driven by the main movie to over 4.7 GB to bring order and
> easy to copy a DVD disc to prevent.
Sowas will occur.
Gruß Carsten
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Antwort von Mario Schulze:
Hi
Carsten Krueger wrote:
> "Mario Schulze" wrote:
>
>> The image quality of these encoder you can not with the image of
>> Professional machines compare. For the same bit rate, the
>> Often a much better picture.
>
> It's possible that you never have heard of CCE?
But I have. Especially at low bit rates but is not of the CCE of
but the best Canopus Pro Coder. But they are all still
any encoder, which in any PC or Mac and run it before
all, everything just made any compromises needed computing power (and
hence time) and quality. Of the professional TV providers are
but surely no software engine, which then synonymous nor
Premise in a reasonable time on commercially available PC or
MAC hardware result. They have machines that are in MPEG
Hardware and have just poured into this area very much synonymous
more computing power available.
>> That may be. I myself have no DVB-T still had interest in
> (Have DVB-S) but, as I already wrote above - only of the
> Pure bitrate the quality is so close to not quite true.
>
> From a low bitrate to poor picture quality close
> Is fairly simple.
Precisely not.
Greeting
Mario
Antwort von Carsten Krueger:
"Mario Schulze" wrote:
> But I have. Especially at low bit rates but is not of the CCE of
> but the best Canopus Pro Coder.
Come to the matrices used to.
> But they are all still
> any encoder, which in any PC or Mac and run it before
> all, everything just made any compromises needed computing power (and
> hence time) and quality. Of the professional TV providers are
> but surely no software engine, which then synonymous nor
> Premise to have a reasonable time on commercially available PC or
> MAC hardware to deliver an outcome. They have machines that are in MPEG
> Hardware and have poured in this area very much synonymous
> more computing power available.
Especially the hardware real-time solutions do not produce good picture because they
not multi-pass encode, may ask for an optimal bit rate allocation
reach.
Algorithms in hardware are also no better than in software
just possibly faster.
And man with modern hardware and software on his PC synonymous NEN
PAL MPEG2 stream in real time can be encoded.
> Just do not.
But please bring some proof.
Something with a lot of exercise, fog, fire, etc. in PAL Resolutionmit
an average bitrate of 2-3 mbit.
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Antwort von Ralf Fontana:
Carsten Krueger wrote:
>> DVDs are often synonymous with poor image quality an artificially
>> high bitrate driven by the main movie to over 4.7 GB to bring order and
>> easy to copy a DVD disc to prevent.
> Sowas should occur.
Look ma mer
Where, except in the DVD menu, your opinion carries a frame
the specification is not higher bitrate for better picture quality?
Antwort von Carsten Krueger:
Ralf Fontana wrote:
> Where, except in the DVD menu, your opinion carries a frame
> of the specification is not higher bitrate for better picture quality?
It leads naturally, in general to better image quality,
but that is not necessarily obvious to people.
Whether I am now 7.8 or 9.8 mbit've played hardly any (not any)
Role, but instead of 2.8 to 4.8 mbit es PAL makes visible
Difference.
Gruß Carsten
PS: The starting point for this thread was the statement of me that
a good analog signal cable produces a better picture than DVB-T,
as DVB-T, the bitrate is so low that one MPEG2 artifacts
has. If you have good cable reception, however, one has only a slight analog
Noise.
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Antwort von Lars Mueller:
Carsten Krueger wrote:
>
> "Mario Schulze" wrote:
>> Just do not.
>
> Then please bring some proof.
> Something with a lot of exercise, fog, fire, etc. in PAL Resolutionmit
> An average bitrate of 2-3 mbit.
Large photographs of whitewater kayaking championships are synonymous allerliebst!
:-)
Gruß Lars
Antwort von Ralf Fontana:
Carsten Krueger wrote:
>> Where, except in the DVD menu, your opinion carries a frame
>> the specification is not higher bitrate for better picture quality?
> You obviously leads in general to better image quality,
> But this is not necessarily obvious to people.
So I see the synonymous. And for this reason, the manufacturer of the DVD
incompetence suppose if he does not exploit the full capacity.
> PS: The starting point for this thread
I am not referring to the whole thread but only on the
spread and of you (probably unwisely) supported
Dolchstoßlegende "DVDs are often synonymous with a poor image quality
driven artificially high bitrate to the main movie to over 4.7 GB to bring
and so easy to copy a DVD disc to prevent. "
Especially in poor image quality is likely every bit count.
> was the statement of me that
> a good analog signal cable produces a better picture than DVB-T,
This is now really ... but at night it is colder than potato salad.
Of course you have in the live transmission of the shopping-channel sound
Image quality. And of course you have at 40 Mbit / s (cable TV, as are my
Knowledge but antiquated arg) significantly reduced compression artifacts
than at 3-4 Mbit / s. Only the bitrate DVB-T channel by
DVB-T at 3-4 Mbit / s is limited. Join the guys at ARD and ZDF
while in the soft tissues until they replace quantity by quality, ie
ARD and ZFD wiser in bitrate over 387 channels instead of with
totally inadequate bitrate.
Or do as I do. Relax sit back and wait until 4 years
MPEG4-like compression is introduced. Dumm for now purchased
has.
Antwort von Carsten Krueger:
Ralf Fontana wrote:
> I am not referring to the whole thread but only on the
> spread and of you (probably unwisely) supported
> Dolchstoßlegende "DVDs are often synonymous with a poor image quality
> driven artificially high bitrate to the main movie to over 4.7 GB to bring
> and so easy to copy a DVD disc to prevent. "
I would say that it tries to set the size to over 4.7 GB
hold, then it is not easy to copy NEN cheap DVD-R
possible and fully up to the maximum video DVDs are rare.
The mastering is generally modest.
> Only the bitrate DVB-T channel by
> DVB-T at 3-4 Mbit / s is limited.
While du 25 Programs on the old 3 or 4 analog
Antenna channels like ...
> Join the guys at ARD and ZDF
> while in the soft tissues until they replace quantity by quality, ie
> ZFD in ARD and wiser bitrate over 387 channels instead of with
> totally inadequate bitrate.
Interested ARD and ZDF, but nearly half of
Durschnittszuschauer looks so garnicht (until HDTV Television
have enforced ;-))
> Or do as I do. Relax sit back and wait until 4 years
> MPEG4-like compression is introduced. Dumm for now purchased
> has.
The plans are long term. In 4 years with the
Certainly not on DVB-T MPEG4 in order.
Gruß Carsten
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Antwort von Ralf Schulz:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:49:180100 Carsten Krueger wrote:
> Cross-post and fup2 de.comp.tv video, because here's OT Arg is.
>
> Ralf Schulz wrote:
>
> CK> [DVB-T MPEG2 has visible artifacts due to low bitrate]
>> Unfortunately, no blocks visible habs just great times s.den
>> Television connected.
>
> Sorry but you're blind or your equipment can
> Generally not useful to Picture.
If you mean. but I will probably differ as to whether my
Television (which is not Bilkligprodukt) with DVB-T or cable a better
Picture brings.
Antwort von Carsten Krueger:
Ralf Schulz wrote:
> If you mean. but I will probably differ as to whether my
> Television (which is not Bilkligprodukt) with DVB-T or cable a better
> Picture brings.
I've never claimed that you have with analog cable is a good Picture
searched. You need good reception.
If you do not blocky artifacts in DVB-T will see (if correct
Reception), then your picture is very faded, noisy, etc.
Gruß Carsten
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Antwort von Ralf Schulz:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:05:550100 Carsten Krueger wrote:
> Ralf Schulz wrote:
>
>> If you mean. but I will probably differ as to whether my
>> Television (which is not Bilkligprodukt) with DVB-T or cable a better
>> Picture brings.
>
> I've never claimed that you have with analog cable is a good Picture
> Searched. You need good reception.
>
> If you do not blocky artifacts in DVB-T will see (if correct
> Reception), then your picture is very faded, noisy, etc.
Oki, to think again: I have DVB-T via a much better,
clearer, stronger and sharper picture than with cable connection, I
Picture a perfectly normal returns, but not as good as the DVB-T --
Receiver. Also have 2 of my friends to their cable connection
off and DVB-T is concerned, synonymous because they have a better Picture
(which have previously borrowed my receiver, for tewsten). None of
us is wearing glasses or otherwise visually impaired. Even my wife
found this picture on DVB-T better. And again, I have no 08-15
Aldi Television, so I think that I judge synonymous wunderbar
can. There are no blocks to identify and no image noise. If you
it is not true want, I can not help it. Maybe for you
DVB-T reception is not so good or what I know. But I know that I
'm not blind.
EOT
Antwort von Carsten Krueger:
Ralf Schulz wrote:
> There are no blocks to identify and no image noise.
How you think :-)
Noise of course not.
Gruß Carsten
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Antwort von Ralf Schulz:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:04:020100 Carsten Krueger wrote:
> Ralf Schulz wrote:
>
>> There are no blocks to identify and no image noise.
>
> What you mean :-)
> Noise of course not.
Yeah, I never claimed, but I recognize no image noise or
picture interference by other DVB-T. And since my television does not
ZOOM function, including synonymous, I can not even by Zoom image noise
visible, I'm sorry.
Noise is the digital pictures and shoot normally. But that is changing
did not change the fact that the picture for me and many others is still better
, than Analg Picture of the cable, with a synonymous
Fallacy, because the image in the digital channels should eh
, which in turn, so an image noise is likely to have consequences.
Antwort von Carsten Krueger:
Ralf Schulz wrote:
> Image noise is in digital pictures and shoot normally.
No, not really.
Here is an exaggerated example for you, what's what:
http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~cakruege/test.png-Original
http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~cakruege/test1.png MPEG artifacts
http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~cakruege/test2.png-Noise
> Fallacy, because the image in the digital channels should eh
>, which in turn, so an image noise is likely to have consequences.
Digital editing is absolutely first loss, verlusstbehaftet
compress generates some form of artifacts (though this is not
Noise).
Gruß Carsten
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Antwort von Ralf Schulz:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:38:340100 Carsten Krueger wrote:
> Ralf Schulz wrote:
>
>> Noise is in digital pictures and shoot normally.
>
> No, not really.
But must only long enough to zoom, then you see it ;-)
>
> Here's an exaggerated example for you, what's what:
> http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~cakruege/test.png-Original
> http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~cakruege/test1.png MPEG artifacts
So does my picture never made, in no case
> http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~cakruege/test2.png Noise
So not synonymous.
>> Fallacy, because the image in the digital channels should eh
>>, which in turn, so an image noise is likely to have consequences.
>
Digital editing is absolutely first loss, verlusstbehaftet
> Compress creates some form of artifacts (though this is not
> Noise).
True, it DVB-T does not necessarily occur.
Antwort von Heiko Nocon:
Carsten Krueger wrote:
> verlusstbehaftet
> compress creates some form of artifacts (though this is not
> Noise).
If you want very fussy on the Theory of Signal Processing
rumreiten wants, it is of course synonymous Noise. o)
But as an explanation for laymen was your posting already quite accurate and
thanks to the "exaggerated" sample images synonymous very well illustrated. Than
Complement one would perhaps suggest may s.welchen
Bodies of the DVB-stream MPEG artifacts prefers to find. The
Daus Klinken otherwise guarantees a Still Image from the speaker in the
Tagesschau, which will then show that DVB-T with them really great
is ...
Antwort von Ralf Fontana:
Ralf Schulz wrote:
>> Here is an exaggerated example for you, what's what:
>>[...]
>> http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~cakruege/test1.png MPEG artifacts
> How does my picture never made, in no case
With DVB-T? But, guaranteed.
You just need to know when it looks like. The most obvious whenever
of one scene to another gently and is again is shown. That
get even with the encoder DVB-S with the provided
higher bitrate mE almost never out.
Other possibilities: scenes with rain, fog, snow. Time on the
VCR with Still Image view.
Antwort von Carsten Krueger:
Heiko Nocon wrote:
> If you want very fussy on the Theory of Signal Processing
> rumreiten wants, it is of course synonymous Noise. o)
jaja ;-)
SV treason not my professor.
> But as a layman explanation for your posting was already quite accurate and
> thanks to the "exaggerated" sample images synonymous very well illustrated. Than
> Complement one would perhaps suggest may s.welchen
> Points of the DVB-stream MPEG artifacts prefers to find.
I've already done.
> The door Daus otherwise guarantees a Still Image from the speaker in the
> Tagesschau, which will then show that DVB-T with them really great
> is ...
jupp
All with fast movement or color.
Incidentally ARD and ZDF produce such artifacts synonymous with the
Internal transmission part.
At the last World Cup, I noticed that that the
Live broadcasts were repulsive blocks.
It seems the Satelitenstrecke so expensive ...
Gruß Carsten
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Antwort von Lars Mueller:
Ralf Schulz wrote:
[Artifacts]
> Right, shall be DVB-T does not necessarily occur.
But they are in each DVB-T receiver for reception of each situation and
Bit error rate may occur. It is simply a question of
Data rates.
hth
Lars
Antwort von Beate Goebel:
Lars Mueller wrote s.Sonntag, 16.01. 2005, 23:14:
> Carsten Krueger wrote: [artifacts]
>> Something with a lot of exercise, fog, fire, etc. in PAL Resolutionmit
>> An average bitrate of 2-3 mbit.
>
> Large photographs of whitewater kayaking championships are synonymous
> Allerliebst!
I just watch the game in the First: The DVB-T lots
Artifacts and Ruckler (Technisat AirStar), DVB-S very clean.
When I read this thread here is the "normal"?
Cologne DVB-T indoor antenna with amplifier.
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Antwort von Lars Mueller:
Beate Goebel wrote:
> I just watch the game in the First: The DVB-T lots
> Artifacts and Ruckler (Technisat AirStar), DVB-S very clean.
>
> When I read this thread here is the "normal"?
>
> Cologne DVB-T indoor antenna with amplifier.
Ruckler make me suspicious. Perhaps poor reception? Can
anywhere you retrieve the bit error rate?
Gruß Lars
Antwort von Beate Goebel:
Lars Mueller wrote s.Samstag, 22.01. 2005, 03:57:
> Beate Goebel wrote:
>> I just watch the game in the First: The DVB-T lots
>> Artifacts and Ruckler (Technisat AirStar), DVB-S very clean.
>>
>> When I read this thread here is the "normal"?
>>
>> Cologne DVB-T indoor antenna with amplifier.
>
> Ruckler make me suspicious. Perhaps poor reception?
Obviously. But only this bouquet: ARD 1, Phoenix, Arte. All other
are clean. And the evening it is worse than it is now.
But I get the bouquet to RTL2 without amplifiers.
> Can
> Somewhere you retrieve the bit error rate?
Er. The source of DVBViewer filter says it all possible, and in
English. There are transmitters in these lots "discontinuities". I
can Latency (ms) "and" Pre Audio package set, but nothing changes.
Maybe I have to once again play with the antenna. Any Hint?
Beate
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Antwort von Beate Goebel:
Beate Goebel wrote s.Samstag, 22.01. 2005, 13:07:
You can call me Ingrid.
> Lars Mueller wrote s.Samstag, 22.01. 2005, 03:57:
>> Beate Goebel wrote:
>>> I just watch the game in the First: The DVB-T lots
>>> Artifacts and Ruckler (Technisat AirStar), DVB-S very clean.
>>>
>>> When I read this thread here is the "normal"?
>>>
>>> DVB-T Cologne with indoor antenna amplifier.
>>
>> Ruckler make me suspicious. Perhaps poor reception?
>
> Obviously. But only this bouquet: ARD 1, Phoenix, Arte. All
> Others are clean. And the evening it is worse than it is now.
Have something s.der antenna played: the "discontinuities" are now on
0, this is the bouquet Kabel1/Pro7 problems now. The bite itself
somehow.
To Antenna: This 8 in the center circle before the network is designed for TV and the
ausfahrbahren two rods synonymous antenna for TV or radio?
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Antwort von Lars Mueller:
Beate Goebel wrote:
> Have something s.der antenna played: the "discontinuities" are now on
> 0, it has the bouquet Kabel1/Pro7 problems now. The bite itself
> Somehow.
Then you will probably have to play again until both randomly
is received. You've probably mainly problems with
Reflections. Depending on the frequency and location you searched for a transmitter
just maybe an erasure, while others do not.
> To Antenna: This 8 in the center circle before the network is designed for TV and the
> Ausfahrbahren two rods synonymous antenna for TV or radio?
What is this for an antenna? Probably an old TV antenna,
not for DVB-T for? Has ever an extra connector for a
FM Radio? If not, the rods are probably the VHF tapes, which
8 is for UHF. Benefits for you the VHF frequencies, anyway? If
not, you can see the rods move in and forgotten. However, I have
these strange rooms antennas obsessed and never ask me after the synonymous
Benefits. A selbstgebastelter Dipol, art and fantasy on the
Search for the best reception hanged in connection with a
short, high-quality coaxial cable (Schaumdielektrikum) is this stuff
with the super-Störverstärkern (bad filter, not a sufficient
Large signal strength) probably mostly superior and cost a
Fraction. (Sorry, this had to be again. :-))
Gruß Lars
Antwort von Beate Goebel:
Lars Mueller wrote s.Sonntag, 23.01. 2005, 19:56:
> Beate Goebel wrote:
>> Did something s.der antenna played: the "discontinuities" are
>> Start at 0, but has now Bouquet Kabel1/Pro7 problems. The
>> Two bite somehow.
>
> Then you will probably have to play again until both randomly
> Is received. You've probably mainly problems with
> Reflections. Depending on the frequency and location you searched for a transmitter
> Maybe just an erasure, while others do not.
Seems to me as synonymous. Is there a high-voltage interfere synonymous? However,
between me and Cologne as a tiny mound and no flat land.
Now she is just behind the wall _zwischen_ 2 windows and it works
somewhat. Fortunately, the DVBViewer a plugin called "Dynamics
Tuner ", is intended for Reginalprogramme help but be synonymous.
Find it funny that the antenna must be directly s.Fenster, otherwise
I get almost no signal.
>> To Antenna: This 8 in the center circle before the network is designed for TV and
>> The two ausfahrbahren antenna rods synonymous for TV or radio?
>
> What is this for an antenna?
http://www.quelle.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/de/-/EUR/Q_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid%uKPKXTxwoxbKDn2DRMFmSV8JhLdCDuLkCKc=?ProductSKUd0542R&CategoryName0536&AAID0000276352&ProductRefIDìS@Store@640542R&AddingType&from_search%Antenne DVB-T
If the SessionID is not working: www.quelle.de Search: Antenna DVB-T,
the cheap.
> Probably an old TV antenna, not for DVB-T for?
If DVB-T and it is synonymous.
> Has ever an extra connector for
> An FM radio? If not, the rods are probably the
> VHF tapes, the 8 is for UHF.
Aha!
> The benefit to you, the VHF frequencies
> Anyway?
KA
> A selbstgebastelter Dipol, art
> And visionary in the search for the best reception in the suspended
> Associated with a short, high-quality coaxial cable
> (Schaumdielektrikum)
Huh? Is that synonymous for non-electricians?
Dipol = 2 wires. Does a T-antenna, as it once for
FM were? And how does that work in connecting the card?
> Is this stuff with the super-Störverstärkern
> (Bad filter, not a large enough signal strength) probably
> Mostly superior and cost a fraction.
Without the amplifier is not here.
Beate
--
">> ... Or perhaps you have recommendations for another Noti-HDD ...?
> Who is please "notes"? [...]
A notification is the box in which the Prozi funzt. "
[Pascal rump, Helmut Hull, Gunther Schmidt in ger.ct]
Antwort von Lars Mueller:
Beate Goebel wrote:
>
> Lars Mueller wrote s.Sonntag, 23.01. 2005, 19:56:
> Seems to me as synonymous. Is there a high-voltage interfere synonymous? However,
Only when insulators are broken and by a massive leakage
Störspektrum cause. As previously suspected but each
KW / MW radio listeners, amateur radio and CB radio operators ... run amok and is
when RU complain, so if someone in the same distance to the line
resides.
> Between me and Cologne as a tiny mound and no flat land.
Refelxionen usually s.den and buildings are normally built up in
Area. In any case when the antenna is not above the rooftops
is located. In spaces of course, it is generally problematic.
> Find it strange that the antenna must be directly s.Fenster, otherwise
> I get almost no signal.
This is normal. Are your windows really coated, respectively,
metallised?
> If the SessionID is not working: www.quelle.de Search: Antenna DVB-T,
> The cheap.
But works. So constructively rather ancient part. Unfortunately, the
Page is not very informative. The thing with DVB-T to apply, is due
the wrong polarization probably a joke. Or you can have 8
by 90 degrees?
>> VHF tapes, the 8 is for UHF.
>
> Aha!
Uhm, actually no preference: Either the rods for FM radio or VHF
or for both. :-) You need it for DVB-T in Cologne not.
>> The benefit to you, the VHF frequencies
>> Anyway?
>
> KA
I've searched for your area. Here are the plans:
http://www.ueberalltv.de/reg_NRW/6NRWdwnld/NRW_dwnld.htm
http://www.ueberalltv.de/reg_NRW/NRWdwnld/prgr_K-BN_y04-1108.pdf
So all UHF. I guess you will receive more from Colonius.
So you need an antenna, of which 500 to 800 MHz receive.
A rather unfavorable for a frequency or Einzeldipol
similar profit-optimized systems.
> Huh? Is that synonymous for non-electricians?
>
> = 2 dipole wires. Does a T-antenna, as it once for
Exactly.
> FM were? And how does that work in connecting the card?
Only if there Bastelwut: You could make a dipole for the
Frequencies build, but for this huge area, it is completely
fehlangepaßt be. A dipole for ZDF would work like this:
Two wires of length 300 by 514 by four. So just under 15 cm, the
s.den an inner conductor soldered to the other s.den outer conductor, the
complete with insulating tape, or similar Epoxydharzkleber against
Short circuits and protect s.das other end of the cable, a suitable
Male mount. In this case, but it is not worthwhile because the
Adjustment for a good sensitivity is needed. Because of the hill will
the transmitter with you, perhaps not quite so great ideas.
If you still play times and want to try, Take a
satellitentaugliches coaxial cable s.ca. 5 mm in diameter with
Schaumdielektrikum, so the insulation between the inner and outer conductor in
Cable must not usually transparent, solid plastic,
but should rather s.Styropor remember, only much harder.
Also note that since the DVB transmitter vertically polarized
are the dipole antenna that is perpendicular to be hanged, ye
Directive takes effect. Therefore, a vertical Konstroktion
Rod, can also be a wire (same length as a
Dipolhälfte) and at least two of the wires horizontally in each
Direction, ie one to the left, one right (and then
try in which direction), almost useful. You can after
Top synonymous make 3x as long (44cm in this example), this is even better.
This means that your indoor antenna, if it is not specifically for DVB-T
was developed that they are actually applied to the emphasis must be put,
or the 8 to be rotated, if possible. I suggest you
try only once, to rotate the antenna and then resumes its
s.besten then a suitable place to search.
>> Is this stuff with the super-Störverstärkern
>> (Bad filter, not a large enough signal strength) probably
>> Most superior and cost a fraction.
>
> Without the amplifier is not here.
That you can only to be a
Antwort von Beate Goebel:
Lars Mueller wrote s.Dienstag, 25.01. 2005, 07:17:
> Beate Goebel wrote:
>> Find it strange that the antenna must be directly s.Fenster,
>> Otherwise I get almost no signal.
>
> This is normal. Are your windows really coated, respectively,
> Metallised?
Not that I knew. Double glazing with "vacuum" in between.
>> If the SessionID is not working: www.quelle.de Search: Antenna
>> DVB-T, the cheap.
>
> Yes, works. So constructively rather ancient part. Unfortunately,
> Page not very informative.
Is it synonymous with Reichelt, ATELCO, Technisat, etc. with even less info.
Snogard:
_______________________________
Component: ANTENNA
Connections external: Euro socket
Purpose: Reception of TV and radio programs, according to the DVB-T
Sent standard
Voltage: 230 V AC or 12 V DC
accessories: Instructions, Cable
Reception: VHF channels 2-12, UHF 21-69 channel, 87.5 FM ... 108 MHz
Note: indoor antenna, please inform yourself about the
Reception facilities in your area
Specials: VHF to UHF, integrated amplifier, adjustable, red LED
_____________________________________________
> The thing with DVB-T to apply is
> Probably because of the false polarization a joke. Or you can
> The 8 by 90 degrees?
Nee, which is fixed.
> I've searched for your area. Here are the plans:
Oops, thank you.
> So all UHF. I guess you will receive more from Colonius.
This I take to synonymous. The direction of the antenna agrees synonymous _halbwegs_.
> So you would need an antenna, of which 500 to 800 MHz receive.
Hmm.
>> = 2 dipole wires. Does a T-antenna, as they once
>> For
>
> Exactly.
>
>> FM were? And how does that work in connecting the card?
>
> Only if there Bastelwut: You could make a dipole for the
> Frequencies build
I have an old TV antenna (it throws away so nix) consisting of two
Telescopic rods there. 2x2 wires coming out, each in a
Horseshoe question how it used in a screw has rotated.
If I hand of the horseshoe (with effort and not correct) in a
Antenna connector (with pin hole) press, I get short Picture and Sound (RTL
probiert). The thing could work.
The problem would be: How can I get shoes in the 08/15-
Fixed antenna connector? Sach nich "soldering". I can not (try) and
I have no tools for synonymous.
> What this means for your indoor antenna if it is not specifically for
> DVB-T was developed that they are actually on the Page will be
> Must be, or the 8 to be rotated, if possible. I suggest you
> Try only once, to rotate the antenna and then resumes its
> A then s.besten suitable place to search.
Yes, good.
> http://www.lfm-nrw.de/lfr/faq/digitalesfernsehen/faq4.php3#18
As is my but synonymous displayed. And if others are better ...
> PS: Too much text, I know: I'm woken up too early and
> Tired and should be too lazy to again find out whether I
> Nonsense wrote. I hope I have successfully yourself
> Confuse. : ->
Luckily, I probably should not Dipol solder. ;-)
Beate
--
"With Adressfälschern to discuss a similar yield as the
Talk with a street lantern.
And the street lamps still stop there and enlightenment. "
[Helmut Hull in dan-am]
Antwort von Heiko Nocon:
Carola Becker wrote:
> we see over indoor antenna and DVB-T television, but have since yesterday
> neither ARD nor ProSieben (including attachments as Kabel1, Sat1 and
> N24).
>
> A channel scan, we have repeatedly carried out. So far there has been
> no problems, these channels to get, but last week was a
> Note durchgegeben that s.03.03.08 a channel scan
> would be appropriate.
So probably two channels packages on another channel moved
be.
> But what about now?
When scanning the channels on the new channel is not found, the
(at least) two reasons:
1) The scan does not look all channels. It is quite usual
DVB-Programs with "Suchräumen" device to the channel search to
accelerate. Depending on how restricted the search space, it can
be that the channels on which the missing transmitter packages now
are simply garnicht absucht. Remedy in this case: There is another,
select broader search. So for example instead of "DVB-T Munich-West"
"DVB-T Germany Select. Alternatively you can try the Provider
of the program, an updated version of the search space "DVB-T
Munich-West "to relate.
2) The channel on which the station is now located in a
other band (TV tape). For example, instead of the tape in the UHF-VHF-tape
III. And for this TV, the tape may be used in antenna
not appropriate or good enough suitable. In this case,
Unfortunately, only a different antenna.
If you post here, about where you live, then perhaps
People from the same area who know what channels the channel
moved. This could be the TV-tape-question to be clarified.
And if you post here, which TV program you use, then please
perhaps people who use the same and know whether it Suchräume
used and how that may change.
Antwort von Carola Becker:
"Uwe Steinfeld" wrote in news post
news: 1323222635 $ 20080304234950@steinfeld.name ...
> Carola Becker wrote
>
>> A channel scan, we have repeatedly carried out. So far there has been
>> No problems, these channels to get, but last week was a
>> Note durchgegeben that s.03.03.08 a channel scan
>> Would be appropriate. But what now? White perhaps here
>> Someone
>> What should we do? Or should we just wait?
>
> The channel change in North Rhine-Westphalia, there was the night 03./04. March - therefore
> Search. Here at the extreme edge of the Bonn
> "Indoor antenna reception area" and then I had it in for
> Flawless reception move. Maybe you try it synonymous
> Once.
>
> BTW: This has nothing to do with computers, ie de.rec.tv.technik
> Would be a more appropriate group had.
>
> --
> Greeting
> Uwe
Thank you for the information. I just need to wait, but who should
know?
Incidentally, I received the TV on my PC ...
Greeting
Carola
Antwort von Carola Becker:
"Heiko Nocon" wrote in news post
Re: DVB-T # # #
> Carola Becker wrote:
>
>> we see over indoor antenna and DVB-T television, but have since
>> Yesterday
>> neither ARD nor ProSieben (including attachments as Kabel1, Sat1 and
>> N24).
>>
>> A channel scan, we have repeatedly carried out. So far there has been
>> no problems, these channels to get, but last week was a
>> Note durchgegeben that s.03.03.08 a channel scan
>> would be appropriate.
>
> So probably two channels packages on another channel moved
> Be.
>
>> But what about now?
>
> If the scan the channels on the new channel is not found, can
> The
> (At least) two reasons:
>
> 1) The scan does not look all channels. It is quite usual
> DVB-Programs with "Suchräumen" device to the channel search to
> Accelerate. Depending on how restricted the search space, it can
> Be that the channels on which the missing transmitter packages now
> Is simply garnicht absucht. Remedy in this case: A
> Others
> Select broader search. So for example instead of "DVB-T Munich-West"
> "DVB-T Germany Select. Alternatively you can try, from the
> Provider
> Of the program, an updated version of the search space "DVB-T
> Munich-West "to relate.
>
> 2) The channel on which the station is now located in a
> Other band (TV tape). For example, instead of the tape in the UHF-VHF-tape
> III. And for this TV, the tape may be used in antenna
> Not appropriate or good enough suitable. In this case,
> Unfortunately, only a different antenna.
>
> If you post here, about where you live, then there are
> Maybe
> People from the same area who know what channels the channel
> Moved. This could be the TV-tape-question to be clarified.
>
> And if you post here, which TV program you use, then please
> Perhaps people who use the same and know whether it
> Suchräume
> Use and how that may change.
Thank you for this extensive information. Later it has s.Abend
with the reception went, and now everything works again
einwandfrei.
Greeting
Vera
Antwort von Beate Goebel:
Sven Bötcher wrote s.Mittwoch, 20.05. 2009, 18:49:
> What Resolutionhat native DVB-T anyway?
To:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T#MPEG-4.2FAVC_anstatt_MPEG-2
"Without this compensation lead such bitrates due to the
(obsolete) MPEG-2-Codecs for some sequences of images to visible
Compression artifacts. Sometimes, to avoid such artifacts, the
horizontal image resolution of 720 pixel (see DVD) at 704, 544 or 480
Pixels (see, SVCD) and possibly a reduced blur upstream.
The picture then has less blocky artifacts, but is blurred.
Some broadcasters choose synonymous for material in the 16:9 - or
another non-anamorphic widescreen format, but in the letterbox
Procedure to send, because its black borders is particularly efficient
compress and leave more bits for the remaining maximum of 432
instead of the normal 576 lines available. "
HTH
Beate
--
"For my part, I tend occasionally to humor seizures without
flagged accordingly. Evil, is not it? "[Ottmar Freudenberger in dcsn]
Antwort von Shinji Ikari:
Good day
Sven Bötcher wrote
> on the phone and in the car (in Navi installed), I use it quite like
> in order to Kurzweil in a traffic jam on the parking lot during the break and etc.
> synonymous never had problems with the picture quality.
The monitor was probably very small.
> Today I have my now-FullHD Television has received and the synonymous
> DVB-T tuner with indoors. I trust my eyes and it seemed unlikely
> as if you would s.PC a 320 x 240 video to full inflate.
Because the screen is much bigger and the small
Screens, good-looking playback is just extremely enlarged,
what every blemish rather look into the eye of the back lets.
Go look at 15m distance and now look on the screen. Then
the problems you are still hardly synonymous.
Antwort von Thomas Einzel:
Shinji Ikari wrote:
...
> Sven Bötcher wrote
>
>> On the phone and in the car (in Navi installed), I use it quite like
>> In order to Kurzweil in a traffic jam on the parking lot during the break and etc.
>> Had never been synonymous with the image quality problems.
>
> The monitor was probably very small.
:-) TV with <10 "to want to assess is rather funny ...
>> Today I have my now-FullHD Television
The screen size as a comparison would be quite helpful. On
20 "looks a bit different than at 52". Not quite free, 32 "
for many living room sizes are quite common.
>> Get and has the synonymous
>> DVB-T tuner with indoors. I trust my eyes and it seemed unlikely
>> As if you would s.PC a 320 x 240 video to full inflate.
...
> Go look at 15m distance and now look on the screen. Then
> The problems you are still hardly synonymous.
:-) Alternatively, you can synonymous slightly smaller screen and take
not quite so far away place. At 15m in the living room is müßtne
probably many more in the garden and put the window hiein see.
BTW: why call people nasty DVB-T TV probably blocks?
Tho'lieber DVB-S'mas
Antwort von Sven_Bötcher:
Individual Thomas wrote:
> Shinji Ikari wrote:
> ...
>> Sven Bötcher wrote
>>
>>> On the phone and in the car (in Navi installed), I use it quite like
>>> In order to Kurzweil in a traffic jam on the parking lot during the break, etc.
>>> And had never been synonymous with the image quality problems.
>>
>> The monitor was probably very small.
>
> :-) TV with <10 "to want to assess is rather funny ...
>
>>> Today I have my now-FullHD Television
>
> The screen size as a comparison would be quite helpful. On
> 20 "looks a bit different than at 52". Not quite free, 32 "
> For many living room sizes are quite common.
It is only a 23 "for the bedroom. Guckentfernung is about 2
m, as long as a bed is holding. :-)
>>> And get the synonymous has a DVB-T tuner with indoors. I dared
>>> My eyes and it hardly looked as you would s.PC a 320 x
>>> 240 video to full inflate.
> ...
>> Go look at 15m distance and now look on the screen. Then
>> If you like the problems synonymous barely on.
>
> :-) Alternatively, you can synonymous slightly smaller screen and take
> Is not quite so far away place. At 15m in the living room is müßtne
> Probably many more in the garden and put the window hiein see.
For the living room was actually a 37 "unit is planned. However,
I am with my current equipment is more than enough problems. My Sony
DVD / HDD recorder via HDMI is only in the wrong ratio.
Either I have the correct 4:3 with left and right edges, or "4:3
Full ", ie 4:3 formatfüllend is stretched to 16:9 and 16:9 is
again stretched to 16:9 with black bars above and below. 16:9
formatfüllend without borders, I do not get out. I place both at
Recorder as a TV 4:3 to 16:9 format are an absolute travesty:
Black edges, I then s.allen four Steiten and in the Picture
Peephole in the middle.
The 37 "LCD for the living room will probably just be put off
pushed ...
Bye
Sven
Antwort von Thomas Einzel:
Sven Bötcher wrote s.21.05.2009 11:54:
> Individual Thomas wrote:
...
>> The screen size as a comparison would be quite helpful. On
>> 20 "looks a bit different than at 52". Not for nothing are quite
>> 32 "for many living room sizes are quite common.
>
> There is only a 23 "for the bedroom. Guckentfernung is about 2
> M, as long as a bed is holding. :-)
23 "as a TV - which device? 58cm diagonal depending on 2m is now not so
tremendous. Do you have something tried with different programs? DVB-T
seems even worse than its reputation ...
...
> For the living room was actually a 37 "unit is planned. However,
> I am with my current equipment is more than enough problems. My Sony
> DVD / HDD recorder via HDMI is only in the wrong ratio.
As a friend always says: Sony? So never.
(I can not judge because I am of the firm no products
possess)
> Either I correct 4:3 with left and right edges, or "4:3
> Full Screen ", ie, 4:3 is formatfüllend stretched to 16:9 and 16:9 is
> Again stretched to 16:9 with black bars above and below. 16:9
> Formatfüllend without borders, I do not get out. I place both at
> Recorder as the TV is 16:9 to 4:3 format, the absolute travesty:
> Black edges, I then s.allen four Steiten and in the Picture
> Peephole in the middle.
>
> The 37 "LCD for the living room will probably just be put off
> Pushed ...
I was first last week temporarily from HD-TV thoughts
adopted (for lack of transmitter and receiver normally more expensive) and remained
initially with SD TV via DVB-S. This is the long in front of us her
TV decision pushed the little easier, there must be no 50 "
are Resolutionist synonymous and secondary HDMI unnecessary. Indeed
does our old 32 "Panasonic CRT yet.
Thomas
Antwort von Sven_Bötcher:
Individual Thomas wrote:
> Sven Bötcher wrote s.21.05.2009 11:54:
>> Thomas Individual wrote:
> ...
>>> The screen size as a comparison would be quite helpful. On
>>> 20 "looks a bit different than at 52". Not for nothing are quite
>>> 32 "for many living room sizes are quite common.
>>
>> There is only a 23 "for the bedroom. Guckentfernung is about 2
>> M, as long as a bed is holding. :-)
>
> 23 "as the TV - which device?
Samsung 2333 HD.
> 58cm diagonal depending on 2m is now not so
> Tremendous.
I was synonymous with the idea of playing a 27-inch to take but
The shelves did not pass without a board umzuschrauben missing
halt in the 10 cm Height. :-) Maybe, but the Samsung
be a PC monitor and as a bedroom TV, the LG M2794D
(if I durchringe, rebuild my shelf).
Do you have something tried with different programs? DVB-T
> Seems even worse than its reputation ...
Probably so. The built in analog tuner provides a pretty good picture.
>> For the living room was actually a 37 "unit is planned. However,
>> I am with my current equipment is more than enough problems. My Sony
>> DVD / HDD recorder via HDMI is only in the wrong ratio.
>
> As a friend always says: Sony? So never.
> (I can not judge because I am of the firm no products
> Possess)
Until now, nothing negative can not say about Sony. Unlike
LG offers the Sony recorder to all analog cable channels as good
Reception, while he was in N3 but LG arg roars.
>> Either I correct 4:3 with left and right edges, or "4:3
>> Full Screen ", ie, 4:3 is formatfüllend stretched to 16:9 and 16:9
>> Is again stretched to 16:9 with black bars above and below.
>> 16:9 formatfüllend without Borders, I do not get out. I
>> On the recorder as the TV is 4:3 to 16:9 format of the
>> Absolute travesty: Black edges, I then s.allen four Steiten and
>> Picture in the peephole in the middle.
>>
>> The 37 "LCD for the living room will probably just be put off
>> Pushed ...
>
> I was first last week temporarily from HD TV thoughts
> Adopted (for lack of transmitter and receiver normally more expensive) and remained
> Initially with SD TV via DVB-S. This is the long in front of us her
> Decision pushed the TV slightly easier, there must be no 50 "
>, Which Resolutionist synonymous and secondary HDMI unnecessary. Indeed
> Does our old 32 "Panasonic CRT yet.
Tube devices are simply too monstrous to me has the dimensions of
ago. My desktop PC, I was able to almost 40 cm thick wall s.die
when I make the 19er tube through a 20 TFT've replaced. Okay,
who as a single 100 square meters are available that it is not interested
but to me space is definitely a factor.
Bye
Sven
Antwort von Thomas Einzel:
Sven Bötcher wrote:
> Individual Thomas wrote:
...
> Until now, nothing negative can not say about Sony. Unlike
> LG, the Sony recorder to all analog cable channels as good
> Reception while LG at N3 but arg roars.
I would not synonymous and have said the Gold Star ^ h ^ HLG
(http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldstar) better than Sonywäre.
The best is the enemy of the good, not the ...
...
>>> The 37 "LCD for the living room will probably just be put off
>>> Pushed ...
>>
>> I was first last week temporarily from HD TV thoughts
>> Adopted (for lack of transmitter and receiver normally more expensive) and remained
>> Initially with SD TV via DVB-S. This is the long in front of us her
>> Decision to the TV pushed somewhat easier, there must be no 50 "
>> That Resolutionist synonymous secondary HDMI and unnecessary. Indeed
>> Does our old 32 "Panasonic CRT yet.
>
> Tube devices are simply too monstrous to me has the dimensions of
> Ago. My desktop PC, I was able to almost 40 cm thick wall s.die
> When I make the 19er tube through a 20 TFT've replaced. Okay,
> Who as a single 100 square meters are available that it is not interested
> But in my space is definitely a factor.
We are a bit more synonymous and have more space, which makes the TV election
but absolutely not easy ;-)
Thomas
