Newsmeldung von slashCAM: Sanyo VPC-HD1 Preview of thomas - 9 Jan 2006 10:04:00 A rather critical Camcorder Information preview of the new "HD" camcorder of Sanyo, the video in the form of MPEG-4 recording to SD Card. The maximum Resolutionbeträgt 1280 x 720 at a frame rate of 30 frames per second and a modest 9 Mbps MPEG-4.
Antwort von Jan:
Sanyo VPC-HD1 Preview of thomas - 9 Jan 2006 10:04:00
A rather critical Camcorder Information preview of the new "HD" camcorder of Sanyo, the video in the form of MPEG-4 recording to SD Card. The maximum Resolutionbeträgt 1280 x 720 at a frame rate of 30 frames per second and a modest 9 Mbps MPEG-4.
Antwort von Martin:
As the recorder can record for 9 Mbps, if the memory card only has 4.8 Mbps access rate, "as here
Greeting
Martin
Antwort von Jan:
As far as I know the conversion of Mb to MB about 8 to 1 is
I know of any SD card (synonymous favorable Hama and Co) have at least about 2 MB / sec read and write
San Disk SD about 4-5 MB / s, Ultra 9-10 MB / s, Extreme 3 at about 20 MB / s.
Sonygibt synonymous to their memory stick (Pro and Pro Duo) synonymous
Cards with the fast Mbps to (I think about the people with big numbers to confuse) the better have 80 Mbit / sec ie about 10 MB / sec.
So for all Videocam's is a normal SD card with 2 MB / sec fully sufficient eg Panasonic SDR S 100 (2GB = 2000 MB/30 min (best quality) / 60 seconds = 1.1111 MB / sec, the card must provide at least .
LG
January
Antwort von Jan:
upps here you can not edit at all ....
But what is of greatest importance in the digital area, because there are multiple cameras with 3-4 MB per picture, SLR in RAW format synonymous times happy times 12 MB per picture.
Even the dubbing to the PC is designed with a fast card faster.
LG
January
Antwort von Martin:
I know of any SD card (synonymous favorable Hama and Co) have at least about 2 MB / sec read and write
San Disk SD about 4-5 MB / s, Ultra 9-10 MB / s, Extreme 3 at about 20 MB / s.
So far, so good. Why, then, Sanyo has a rate of explicitly "4.8 Mbps on"?
Greeting
Martin
Antwort von Jan:
That probably only knows Sanyo!
And with your link I noticed that the light intensity / largest aperture (smallest aperture) is at 3.5 this is beneath contempt! There are dozens of mini-DV with 1,3 or 1,8 He intensity.
Well if this is not a flop .....
LG
January
Antwort von Martin:
One more note on the original article cited:
A slating the video quality, without the video quality at all times to have, in my view bottommost drawer - true to the motto: There can not be, what should not be?
Bit rate: 9 Mbps is quite a lot. Just because some codecs today, thus creating a decent HD quality, does not mean that it is impossible. Sanyo should be given at least the opportunity to provide the quality of the test.
Incidentally, there are some DVDs, the movies in "WMV-HD includes - for amazing quality. Granted - it is easier to encode videos optimized and offline, as do some in real time. But perhaps it has even managed to Sanyo?
What irritates me more are:
30 frames per second - that does not fit into Europe. Please either 25 or 50
640 x 480 in "SD" mode - would be better PAL resolution.
Low intensity of the lens.
SD card for recording, this would at least ingenious, have two cards.
Greeting
Martin
Antwort von Jan:
Yes, but I know of several previously published MPEG 4 Sanyo SD Card Camcorder and the video quality is below average and even with inexpensive MiniDV camcorder
17 Eg how SonyHC not compare.
When Sanyo's HD 1 synonymous with several specialist magazines, well known and experienced users to test with HDV is good, then I will withdraw my first thoughts, love and s.sofort Sanyo and worship!
(For the technical basics are all be read) and enmeshed Data
(Your questions), it would be a miracle if the HD would 1to serious Comparison to SonyHC 1 or only come near them.
Yes s.den 30 frames per second have (now many digicam in movie mode), one sees the target group, the HD is 1aus.
Well now I hold my tongue and wait for first results ......
LG
January
Antwort von deepcode:
Do not forget - it's not 2 say the mpeg4 codec is a good piece efficiently. Apart from that, probably still a part grottig when one looks at the recent SANYO. I type on sinking, noisy picture even at something more modest light already (because of the high pixel resolution of the small sensors) and significant movements in block formation. I will be surprised but happy positive!
Antwort von Jan:
Yes MPEG 4 does not have much potential and is considered Zukunftskompimierung.
It can see it but at the digicam's video MPEG 2 at about 70 MB / min and min MPEG 4 35 MB /. If compression is so hard, it ought to be at the high-visible loss of resolution.
LG
January
Antwort von Jack_Wolfskin:
Well, that one has the HD1 HDV camcorder stand up I did not really expect synonymous. Neither the other pocket taking pictures with 640 * 480 can replace a SD camcorder. But after all, they come with MPEG4 ran so slowly. And when the HD1 in720p would ever do as well or better than a standard camcorder, so that you only take one device with the leave, then I would find the synonymous's okay. And synonymous with the price of 799, - appropriate for 2in1 :-)
Ciao
Jack
Antwort von Rosiboy:
Under
http://citv.dip.jp/hd06/sanyo-hd1.wmv
can each time a demo video (47 MB download), to assess the quality. Data rate of 8200 kbit / s. But is not the orginale mp4 file of the camera, but a Converted wmv format
I think the quality of very good size and length to be better than my XACTI-C1. In low light conditions, but the quality will probably be modest. We'll see .....
Get that thing probably buy when the price falls in the coming months at 700 ¬.
It is a pity that the camera probably does not like 4GB SD card ......
Antwort von PowerMac:
If this is true of the camera, wow!
Pretty good.
Antwort von Peter Loeskow:
It has been speculated jag pretty much not been spun to write.
All the time, a Small Camera with 3.5 have been objectively know that one can live with that. Man kan highest to say that the shortest exposure times are probably not used to.
As I said, and instead to spin too much s.mpeg2 or HDV think I'd rather look at videos recommending this sample. The specifications and have convinced me, I just wait for the machine is available - it is exactly that what I have dreamed for long. Now there is, fittingly, SD cards at a price acceptable. So:
http://china.nikkeibp.co.jp/china/image2006/01/060116baby.MP4
http://china.nikkeibp.co.jp/china/image2006/01/060116child.MP4
Antwort von Peter Loeskow:
A good description:
http://www.sanyo-dsc.com/english/products/vpc_hd1/index.html
The specificationen:
http://www.sanyodigital.com/HD1/specifications.html
Antwort von noby95:
There is an initial review of hd1:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/16/technology/circuits/16pogue.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5088&en=f60218bc9bf0bfd9&ex=1297746000&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Antwort von Peter Loeskow:
Rosiboy on: Sat 04 Feb, 2006 11:29
<snip>
It is a pity that the camera probably does not like 4GB SD card ......
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Why should she not?
I myself am but the price difference between a 2 and a
4 GB card prefer to invest in a small battery-powered
disc drive to use.
http://www.dustin.se/dacsaportal/?ProdID=5010084611
While in Swedish (I live in Gothenburg), but it is probably right
know why I prefer money for about the same as the 40GB extra 2 GB
extra pick ;-)
I had written s.Sanyo Europe, some email and some on a contact page, but so far without success. I had synonymous phoned to ask me, but I relayed s.dem apparatus s.den was just sitting None. I will maybe next week again
try to find out when the apparatus will be available for here.
Antwort von Jan:
It has been speculated jag pretty much not been spun to write.
All the time, a Small Camera with 3.5 have been objectively know that one can live with that. Man kan highest to say that the shortest exposure times are probably not used to.
As I said, and instead to spin too much s.mpeg2 or HDV think I'd rather look at videos recommending this sample.
Of course it is synonymous with the light value of 3.5 (or smallest aperture) - synonymous times already filmed in low light?
The 9's Mbit / sec are synonymous moderately, in Comparison Mini DV has 25 Mbit / sec.
JVC synonymous with their work so hard models with about 9 Mbit / sec - best quality - there are plenty of dissatisfied users of MG models in Slashcam (MG 20,30,33 or 60) in terms of artifacts, sharpness and moderate stuttering when the subject is moved.
I've been with plenty of Sanyo, Samsung Miniket's or Aldi MPEG 2 or MPEG 4 Mini's filmed.
No. synonymous only came into the vicinity of an ordinary MiniDV on my account for ¬ 500.
If the HD 1 is now much better, then great.
But the older MPEG 2 / 4 models can convince a filmmaker ambtionierten not.
LG
January
Antwort von Peter Loeskow:
Hello!
In camcorderinfo-forum, a certain Jerry Jones said
About the video clip:
Another person who tested these same clips informs me the clips are *** not *** the more advanced MPEG-4 flavor called "H.264."
Since I could write out an answer synonymous and have no desire to
Sign me up there, especially for this purpose, I would like my just
made "the discovery say. On
http://www.sanyo-dsc.com/english/products/vpc_hd1/index.html
can be seen below the top picture a little QY logo.
It would be my opinion, lead to the conclusion
can Xactia that works with the H264 codec - a good
News is in my opinion. There's supposedly a better
not.
That his alleged MUST augeklappt the LDC to the apparatus
operate, even for only Audi (!) recordings. This is a lapse, the
Sanyo probably only needs to be corrected before I can buy these Xactia.
Greetings from Sweden!
Antwort von Schnellspanner:
What almost none of the dry tests, video and other Fuzzis Pliers has been noticed is that this camera takes very well, and although 60 fps frames. In contrast, a video camera may no preference what bit rate, with its 50 fps interlaced erstmal not anstinken.
Where's the catch? Well, that did not stop, there's 60 fps in HD mode, but "only" in VGA resolution (640x480). Nevertheless, the next best competitor with 60 fps only creates 320x200 - the Sanyo is definitely the only (*) Consumer-Camera world, with leave of the fast movements in half USEFULLY Resolutioneinfangen.
There are some applications where it is waiting for such a device for years. For example, technology analysis for fast sports such as skiing, golf or tennis with 30 fps almost impossible to be outrageously expensive professional systems can be rented there for 50 dollars an hour - that is, of course, very expensive in the long run for the ambitious amateur athletes.
So, enough gemotzt, but alleged professionals do the next time please just love the homework occur, then s.The public. Thank you very much.
(*) Of course, there are industrial cameras with 90 fps or more, but that cost four or five digits, and are not suitable for private use.
Antwort von Jan:
Will probably pay of Sanyo?
And because it provides 60 full frames (which is of course very good, which will not bring 90% of the amateur buyer much. Written only for the small part of which you have - a grandmother to her garden films - not normally need 60 full frames ... .
The rest of the data - listed above speak against a different language and have the facts, eg 3.5 is the intensity - that is hundsmisserabel.
I can have multiple test reports (of Let's known) of the recent Sanyo MPEG type cameras, which each had in terms of stability, image quality (color noise, sharpness) I had no chance against comparable MiniDV models.
Who do the new users of known or MAG ('s anything I do not mean a new entrant preview or purchased (we are super), who never has a ¬ 1000 Camera of other companies have had in his hand - eg beginners Casio S 500 owners believe synonymous that the model in terms of sharpness and vorallen image noise at ISO 400 the best is, until they had a Canon Ixus 55 or SonyT 5 in the hand.
Well then selling them to you but the HD 1, I have to acknowledge my part so far only a few technical details and my experience of previous MPEG Sanyo Camcorders (What is abundantly many) posted here.
But like all the users who have a good first impression, represented as lousy amateurs?
Quick, if you can demonstrate good erstmal 300 post in a forum where your knowledge with newcomers you've really furthered () without the praises of a company, then we'll talk next ......
LG
January
Antwort von Jan:
And I had already written, if the model is really so outstanding, I'll Sanyo s.sofort praise and honor.
In the MPEG 2 Panasonic SDR S 100, I have my opinions have become synonymous reconsidered after several tests and here's synonymous posted.
(Of course, not the data rate 1.1 Mbit / s special on XP 10, SP 5 and LP at about 2.5 Mbit / s).
But like so extremely toxic to be quick?
LG
January
Antwort von Jan:
Why you can not edit here? Crap.
Well again, I can hardly imagine halt the Sanyo when it creates a similar SDR S 100 Pal data rate, even zuerzeugen a really good HDV Picture.
Another thing good about Sanyo of me, I have been about 15-20 years ago a 70 inch Sanyo television - even with Picture in Picture, which did not have any time - and he still running perfectly and the colors are still quite good for the old the tube
(I hope he still holds a little through - now perhaps no more .......)
LG
January
Antwort von Schnellspanner:
Of Sanyo I paid? Then would the darn sure the mouth quickly, as I tick off potential customers here:)
None of you, so that was meant unpaid hobbyists, but those who should actually be paid for their work and - we think - this line, for this reason much more serious than we are amateurs.
Whether the camera someone brings something that can not be judged from a distance anyway - but you still should at least be able to time the technical data read and remember to: oha, Resolutionmit VGA 60 fps, which is a world premiere, no one else can do that, I should therefore emphasize clearly in my report. If I myself have noticed that, so please.
Again, whether someone brings something or if other cameras are perhaps better - given. We will only know if we keep the part in hand. But it is undisputed that Sanyo has thus a unique feature.
Best regards,
Your quick
Antwort von AndyZZ:
Quick, if you can demonstrate good erstmal 300 post in a forum where you really have furthered your knowledge with newcomers
Yeah, have done it! Over 300 Posts! Hurray!
Sorry, has nothing to do with the topic, was just so pleased that I am among the top 7! Hopefully, the sensible one or the other contribution'm not (like this one .... :-))
Antwort von Jan:
Why, I am camera vendor, order my camera very well yourself, and decide which company walks in and which not.
With Sanyo and Samsung I had ever stop already plenty of trouble, so I'm there a little suspicious.
One or the other here in the forum is already much more than a mere amateur - each in his field.
I have been synonymous here in the forum to deal with issues synonymous contributed ¬ 5,000 times in the class had to solutions, well-Arri, I have not synonymous in the hand and can give no hints as synonymous.
Several users are working in radio stations or even have their own small film company in the next are already well as Beginners.
@ AndyZZ was ok ne me stupid answer is simply slipped out, of course, to repeat here some of Markus Bestsellers gibts or just what others have said before and so quickly to 200-300
Contributions come.
Good size has furthered our contribution not only beautiful it was the same as the per contra Group has posted their opinion here
a BMW freak can you convince synonymous difficult for a Mercedes.
LG
January
Antwort von fuerst:
Here is supposedly a video of the HD1. It looks bad or not?
http://citv.dip.jp/hd06/sanyo-hd1.wmv
Antwort von jens:
Under
http://citv.dip.jp/hd06/sanyo-hd1.wmv
can each time a demo video (47 MB download), to assess the quality. Data rate of 8200 kbit / s. But is not the orginale mp4 file of the camera, but a Converted wmv format
is quoted constantly and solely
;-)
Regards,
Jens
Antwort von fuerst:
Hello,
I made yesterday at CeBIT with the HD1 and photographs stored on my SD card. They are not artistically valuable, but they could perhaps give an indication of the quality. The recordings include several short HD recording, two 640X320 @ 60fps (Macro with waving hand), a recording with 10 Zoom (freehand) and 1 Picture.
1) I got the images viewed with QuickTime. It is very jerky, because my calculator is not online with the decompression is complete. How can I stop this?
2) I would provide you the images (10 x approx 20 MB) like once for evaluation. I do not know how?
Ciao Fuerst
Antwort von jens:
2) I would provide you the images (10 x approx 20 MB) like once for evaluation. I do not know how?
Antwort von kyberkelte:
... Of course, most short clips I recorded in 1280 X 720 @ 30fps.
The first Stillimage is at:
http://rapidshare.de/files/15246180/SANY0001.JPG.html
The first three sequences are available at:
http://rapidshare.de/files/15246582/SANY0002.MP4.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/15246835/SANY0003.MP4.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/15247394/SANY0004.MP4.html
The other sequences follow. They are synonymous (the longer something some 30 sec). Therefore, it will take.
One more question, how can I convert the mp4 to avi or something similar, so I can watch the clips smoothly?
Regards
Fuerst
Antwort von kyberkelte:
So, now all are uploading:
http://rapidshare.de/files/15246180/SANY0001.JPG.html
1.9 MB Picture
http://rapidshare.de/files/15246582/SANY0002.MP4.html
6.4 MB 1280x720 @ 30fps
http://rapidshare.de/files/15246835/SANY0003.MP4.html
6.2 MB 1280x720 @ 30fps
http://rapidshare.de/files/15247394/SANY0004.MP4.html
14.7 MB 1280x720 @ 30fps
http://rapidshare.de/files/15248773/SANY0005_ohne_Macro.MP4.html
29.9 MB 1280x720 @ 30fps
http://rapidshare.de/files/15249587/SANY0007.MP4.html
16.9 MB 1280x720 @ 30fps
http://rapidshare.de/files/15249810/SANY0008.MP4.html
20.4 MB 1280x720 @ 30fps
http://rapidshare.de/files/15250816/SANY0009_Hand_60_FPS.MP4.html
5.1 MB 640x320 @ 60fps
http://rapidshare.de/files/15252106/SANY0010_60_FPS.MP4.html
24.5 MB 640x320 @ 60fps
http://rapidshare.de/files/15253024/SANY0011.MP4.html
35.0 MB 1280x720 @ 30fps
http://rapidshare.de/files/15252612/SANY0012.MP4.html
22.8 MB 1280x720 @ 30fps
In the comments, I'm excited! Please expect no marketing videos. I have the videos in the CeBIT-Hall rotated.
Greetings Fuerst
Antwort von jens:
Yes sorry, I'm too lazy to find time for it ;-)... I'm interested in camera too little, but only by 3 questions: what is going on there in terms of manual exposure, manual white balance and various Weißabgleichsmodi and there is a Micro input?
If not, I find it rather nice pictures of smooth fürn A. .. (except maybe for the sports enthusiasts)
Beautiful Gruee,
Jens
Antwort von fuerst:
The videos are so good that I am glad! Will compete as a Canon DC20? I do not know how to make a decision.
Among the questions
Manual Exposure: I do not know exactly for my photos I have seen in the menu.
White Balance: White balance was on the automatic, but there were various modes.
Micro Ext: The jack for an external Micro was shown to me.
In addition, the HD1 camcorder two (has!) Antiverwackel modes. The recordings have been made with the simple. But why two, I know not synonymous. I wanted that in the scene with the man and the violin a try. Direct agreement with two hands and 10-fold zoom. Therefore it yet or go?
Question how I can look at the videos smoothly (mp4 ->? With tool xyz)?
Ciao Fuerst
Antwort von Roller:
30fps is still in perfect order.
there quite clear 30 liquid is than 25 especially in Normal images where there are already quite a lot of movement.
When running shooting ists naturally another matter, where 24 -> 30 is distorted as are better at 25fps quantities.
Better still would be 50fps but I do not believe that with today's hardware is schaffbar.
Thanks for the videos @ host'll suck all the same to me. :) Have an HDTV camcorder I have long desired.
Antwort von Acer:
But s.Television PAL can still only play 25 and 50th 30 are still NTSC, right?
Philip
Antwort von phosery:
We are talking but of HDTV. 720p30 is an HDTV standard, nix PAL / NTSC. Anyone can say HDTV (quasi Play LCD) Television. So it's no reason why both movies in 720i50 have as synonymous with videos in 720p30. All welcome.
As it now is to look in a Altfernseher I do not know exactly, but since one does not necessarily synonymous to buy such a camera too, but also a brand that is twice as cheap and twice as good, but only PAL can.
Antwort von prem:
huh why I am now again a guest:)
Antwort von Jan:
So the pre-test in VideoaktivDigital That was not exactly exhilarating,'s see how the test with the series model.
As my experience with other Sanyo / Samsung Miniket's vollgende things have been addressed in terms of HD 1 (but was Vorserienmodelltest)
- AF
- Stability
- Low Light
- Artifacts at pivot's
+ The 30 frames / and the VGA mode with 60 frames but was praised.
15 minutes to 1 GB in best quality, should probably serve as a laptop hard drive or memory card.
New Ixus models synonymous take on Armor has 60 full frames, unfortunately, limited to a 320x240 resolution and 1 minute.
LG
January
Antwort von Utschke:
Hi all, you can edit data for these HD synonymous in Premiere 1.5?
Antwort von puper78:
People, for about ¬ 300 more you get as the new SonyHDR-HC3, which writes 1080i HD video on MiniDV. Apart of weight, storage media and probably exceeds these dimensions in each discipline, the new Sanyo.
I had put on me almost a year ago the Sanyo Xacti C5, because I of size, VGA MPEG4 video and was convinced that this bitterly regretted it. The photos are very good. The videos are ok in daylight for a digicam, but with the new Exilim EX-S500/S600 better for less money. Once the light intensity decreases in rooms or at dusk, you can forget shooting with the C5. The noise will be too strong, so that you can see almost nothing. Fortunately, the AAC stereo sound is very good, that is, one can at least hear something. ;-)
Another problem, which is expected to share the new HD1, is the noise of the Auto-Focus. The focus is apparently driven by gears that produce a noise in motion, which is included with clearly audible, at least in quieter surroundings.
In the great and all the Sanyo cams are a great gimmick, mainly because they fit loosely in the pocket. But due to poor performance in low light - what good is it if it fits in your pocket, but at a party because of too little light is not good - and the Auto-Focus Noise I can not recommend next.
Antwort von hartiberlin:
Hi,
it may be
that the Xacti HD1 in Color
only a Resolutionvon 4:1:1
have?
I look at demn MP4 files that have been posted
always quite Checkmarked color transitions and particularly
s.Haaren or edges s.schrägen is very visible!
So, as if the color changes only once every 4 pixels ...
Or is my ATI graphics cards drivers in my PC, perhaps too old
so that it is so edgy?
Thank you.
Gruss, Harti.
