Frage von leoHDV:
Hello!
I am currently looking for a camcorder! He should be around 600 - 800 ¬ cost and at full-HD! The best would be a 5.1 surround sound.
I have an Intel Quad Core and 4 Gb Ram, which is expected for AVCHD editing long ...
What experiences have you done with the camcorder?
If a hard-Cam better than the record on SD (cost almost as much)?
Thank you for your answers!
Antwort von beiti:
He should be around 600 - 800 ¬ cost and at full-HD! According to Video Active reach so far the better HDV Cams despite "only" 1440x1080 a higher effective Resolutionals any AVCHD camcorder to record in 1920x1080. The AVCHD devices are not so bad, but you can not stop believing that you are with nominal Full HD car which wins. That may change in a future version (vswenn finally camcorder gives the maximum AVCHD data rate of 24 Mbit / sec. Out), but still it is just how things stand.
I have an Intel Quad Core and 4 Gb Ram, which is expected for AVCHD editing long ... Yes, this should be sufficient for easy cutting. But if something you want to see in real time, it may already be close.
If you ask me: If you want to edit AVCHD today, prefer to work with an intermediate codec (such as Panasonic DVCPRO HD or Canopus HD). The need a lot of disk space and high data throughput (about 12 MB per second and track, the best would be a Raid-system), but he charged less and the calculator makes the cutting fluid.
If a hard-Cam better than the record on SD (cost almost as much)? That you must decide for himself. Pure card camcorders are slightly smaller and lighter, but enough SDHC card for a holiday cost (yet) money properly. With the hard drive you have to be an orderly long s.Bord capacity and usually cheaper to come away.
Antwort von leoHDV:
wow
did not know that AVCHD as much computing power is required .... : - [
it is a mini-HDV camcorder is still the best Fariante? ...
Antwort von beiti:
[quote = "leoHDV"] did not know that AVCHD as much computing power is required .... : - [
it is a mini HDV camcorder is still the best fariante ?...[/ quote] If you want the tape recording does not interfere, you know. ;) In terms of image quality, and cheap Schnittfreudigkeit archiving HDV camcorder is still ahead. In two years, but quite different.
Whether native AVCHD editing prevails over all (except perhaps in the very amateur level), it is with question marks. The data stream of MPEG4 is so complex that even with smart rendering quality is not much rausholt. And as hard disks grow faster and will be medium-and long-term transformation into a practical format einzelbildbasiertes be cut.
In Wikipedia is also an interesting record for the computational costs:
AVC encoder with good performance have about eight to ten-fold complexity of an MPEG2 encoder and the decoder is approximately three times more complex than MPEG-2.
Antwort von yeah:
Berti @
If you have cited Wikipedia, one has to completely quote:
Wikipedia:
The computational effort is highly dependent of the use of encoding and of how well the rate-distortion optimization is set.
AVC encoder with good performance have about eight to ten-fold complexity of an MPEG2 encoder and the decoder is approximately three times more complex than MPEG-2. Reference is made on a
2-core Calculator, which is to render times
can occur. A study of the Rostock University has revealed that the time limit (for 30 frames) of a 2 C for the use of CBAC at 10 Mbit / s and at a 4C at 15 Mbit / s are. Without CBAC is still well above 20 Mbit / s.
The study would also point out that a major factor in the load through the implementation of the software.
In other words, bad software uses existing computer architectures according bad.
Other, parallel tasks incidentally synonymous.
Ease of huge computing power are almost nonsense.
MPEG 4 is not a performance limit for modern calculator there.
@ leoHDV
This is synonymous for your calculator too. What did you say you have a 4C .. if you use proper software and not at the same time all sorts of tasks to run, the problems should be limited.
An Intermediate Codec, I would not recommend if you have the choice to cut natively.
If you need to use IC but then at least one codec the main benefits of MPEG4 tools support, otherwise after a worse picture out when you have recorded in MPEG4.
In particular, the DCT IC no longer use ...
Antwort von WoWu:
Login Achhh forget ...
Antwort von @leoHDV:
And what editing program (Magix, Pinacle, etc. ..) would be to
Cutting of AVCHD s.besten then shoot for a core to quad
and 4 GB of RAM?
Antwort von motiongroup:
Hello WOWU,
I suppose now the penultimate contribution ago and would be glad of this scenario you have described on affordable components for the ordinary turn.
Which calculator with which the described software should allow? I do not know, I know of no particular software.
I have this story of you have written in the last year and synonymous read the instructions again and again what it will come, we have only synonymous to await the final exhibition and the 0815 DSPs for gasoline Normalo are still not there or they were all in the Cams and Player installed.
October 2006 was the first consumer AVCHD cam with us at the market ... Congratulations s.die brave it could well be that of the native cut if he will have a new CamModel requires Cam because the old way of the electric corrosion is gone.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
I am currently looking for a camcorder! He should be around 600 - 800 ¬ cost and at full-HD! You've fortunately itself understood, that your desire, perhaps better in the realm of dreams remains. Without any Häme: Your ideas seem to me a typical result of the advertising to be. For the uselessness of FullHD you have already received notices. This only Note: The chips take the time's not - may be that the next generation of the theoretically available ahead of FullHD synonymous ausreizt.
The best would be a 5.1 surround sound. The camcorder has absolutely nothing to find. Find out more in
dieser Diskussion. dieser Diskussion. dieser Diskussion.
Antwort von wolfgang:
In other words, bad software uses existing computer architectures according bad.
Other, parallel tasks incidentally synonymous.
Ease of huge computing power are almost nonsense.
MPEG 4 is not a performance limit for modern calculator there.
...
An Intermediate Codec, I would not recommend if you have the choice to cut natively.
There are two possibilities, Wolfgang: either we all have a really bad software, and the theoretical potential has not yet been implemented - which the native AVCHD editing is concerned. Even if the native AVCHD editing only Pinnacle Studio 11 + and Vegas 8 halfway good at.
Or: this study is purely theoretical, and in practice unworkable.
Indeed, returns on time with a Vegas 8b of 2.4 Ghz to 3.3 Ghz overclocked Q6600 at AVCHD 1920 just as the preview of an AVCHD stream with the full frame rate. Pinnacle Studio is a trace of Revelation rnoch stronger.
I suspect, therefore, the truth regarding the two options in the middle somewhere is going to - there are probably still in the NLEs Optimization possibility, but based on the current technology there are practical limits seem well. Only if this is so, then we should say clearly synonymous. The rest is still more development work.
Mind you, we speak of today's AVCHD formats in consumer camcorders, and not of AVC-I (which I would be happy there).
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Wolfgang,
a reason for this can be synonymous at the moment I do not know, but something must be yes, because the study is synonymous with the corresponding measurement error, ie not purely theoretical.
However, I would have hoped for something synonymous details relating to load the calculator you wish and will mal sehn, by the author if I can get more information.
Very well, for example, is possible that operates with real Resolutions, ie resolutions, which no longer require an additional interpolation or such burdens on the graphics card has been outsourced.
The probability is very high, because 1440x1080 is not the MPEG4 standard and the study probably strictly with the standard was used because it is naturally to MPEG4 / AVC and it was not user software or AVCHD in its various forms ... but this is conjecture and I now hope to learn more as you can.
If it were, the user would, in fact, alone in the industry with its proprietary method "on the feet are."
There are a few more reasons, reflecting, for example, the current software of Bitstream compliant decoders could differ. Not least of course, synonymous the presumption that synonymous to the current software version of course is not yet on the development status is that we would wish.
Unfortunately, I have the user-software little insight as to assist them. But I think that is synonymous with you in the best hands.
More I can not synonymous at the moment and hope to contribute more extensive information.
Good greetings to Vienna ..
Antwort von motiongroup:
More I can not synonymous at the moment and hope to contribute more extensive information.
Hello Dr. Wunderlich, in sum, the above written text to make it the solution for a normal workflow dealing with this kind of data do not exist or is referred to studies whose scope and nature is currently not clear.
I ask them again and therefore they ask me a HARD-and software configuration to identify with a cut on mind.2-3 traces in RT functions (Available AVCCAMs consumer area). It is almost two years ago since the first AVC Cam s.Markt appeared and it works, unfortunately, still not in the usual range despite repeatedly incantatory words to read "This will have .."
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I did some cutting tests with full-AVCHD footage of SonySR 11 in Pinnacle Studio 11 Ultimate Pros duchgeführt to two video tracks and with a PC based on the Intel Q6600 for overclocking on a 4x3GHz, with 3GBRAM and a GraKa of Saphire HD-2600 Pro ( without over clocking) with 256MB memory.
In a normal intersection with crossfades, some synonymous HFX-visors were, synonymous with PIP and title-insertion and with audio dubbing, is the native interface Ruckler and without unnecessary delays. The preview runs with full Resolutionauf the secondary monitor in real time!
The final rendering in a file after I MPEG2HD and H.264/AVC comparatively performed. Best results I have of the encoder MPEG2HD get. The H.264/AVC-Encoder provides inferior image quality results.
What I can not understand is the reluctance of Adobe in AVCHD Nativschnitt, finally, this company is already a licensee since 2006 for the AVCHD system.
Antwort von mr.cliff:
Running the above cut manipulations, mainly in Echteit, ie without permanent Hintergrundrendern from?
Apparently not. I think even a normal color correction in a track brings the system completely out of step and requires lengthy Hintergrundrendern.
So to argue is a bit misleading, because this kind of "preparation" for a preview of any length synonymous for the simplest of effects is typical for Pinnacle Studio and the real requirements s.ein editing system rather veiled.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Anonymous guest / group motion
You can now of course, any other requirements involved, just because one's answer does not fit.
I think the representation of a practitioner, a lot of experience in the field and has yet to set out precisely how it is rarely found, shows that the software manufacturers on the best path.
Nobody has said that everything within a year would be perfect and there is no need to catch more there but the caravan moves now and next it seems some back, which it will be unaffected, with the next to work, with which he is happy. Nobody must be based on new methods or equipment change.
I admit synonymous to remember that in the early days of DV synonymous with every additional card only feasible and that synonymous HDV initially quite "bitter" was to edit.
So where is your problem?
The fact that there is an answer that does not fit into the Abneigungshaltung?
But that is nothing unusual but a basic problem for many social psychological experiments confirmed that people who have an initial presumption does not directly agree with almost only arguments that are to confirm their reluctance.
And what your demand and doubts expressed concern, but simply try's from and then tell us your experiences ... that would be a helpful contribution relating to, for sure you all would be grateful.
Antwort von Daigoro:
The caravan now moves next Now you steal my stolen allegories.
and it seems some back, which it will be unaffected, with the next to work, with which he is happy. Nobody must be based on new methods or equipment change. And synonymous overtaken some who opposed her joyfully jump. : P
I admit synonymous to remember that in the early days of DV synonymous with every additional card only feasible and that synonymous HDV initially quite "bitter" was to edit.
So where is your problem? The "problem" that is not a problem, but rather a lack of solution, it is inconsistent and lack of support.
PC processors may have to be super and now so powerful (and unfortunately synonymous complex), the many things for which we used specialized equipment needed can be done.
But by no means the best for everything. Grad simple mathematical transformations, the very parallel fix could be settled (see GPUs)-to crack such passwords or videos de-/encodieren- did really well with cheap accessories without misunderstandings do this.
Ok, I've enough gemeckert camels and go to film. : D
ps since I'm the IT company as the shooting bothers me a particular thing - the absolutely moronic inconsistent support hardware decoding of H.264.
Some NVidia graphics cards (not all synonymous and particularly the top models) on offer - only so that Vista and DX10.
The producers reportedly works wonderfully: http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_HD.html
But instead of the consistently expanding, there will be reduced until it no longer and the CPU rackert from an order to show trivial stories. This could all be so beautiful.
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello
I give you full so right about the lack of support of the calculator is concerned but that just is because the architecture of the calculator for anything other than for video editing are made.
Although the performance is changing constantly, the impact on this area but unfortunately not to the same degree, because s.der architecture and the type of memory access, unfortunately, nothing changes.
Therefore yes synonymous presumption that we are increasing demands for more hardware support such as Black Magic, for example, the NAB has brought out the calculator then the CPU off and specialized tasks which we expected soon on the Blackmagic cards are synonymous for HD will. It does not help, the facts before the eyes to close and that the video tasks (synonymous with a view to constantly change the default) is always more of a CPU that has never been designed, is likely synonymous of any doubt. Therefore, we are still quite a while with such "crutches" to live.
But if it comforts you, I would be synonymous prefer a different architecture than the office computer.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Daigoro
I had a late addendum to your view.
Thanks for the link.
I see more companies jump on the train .... I still think that the solution will be and more and more DSP's are synonymous in the trade, with the custom memory accesses ALU synonymous with data fast enough to provide for an FPGA approach can perform these tasks better.
Also, synonymous, though some here in the forum, perhaps impatient because I have such issues less than a year ago had raised .... it will come.
So, as we are seen as our views are not far apart ... quite the contrary.
Antwort von Daigoro:
@ Daigoro
I had a late addendum to your view.
Thanks for the link.
I see more companies jump on the train .... I still think that the solution will be and more and more DSP's are synonymous in the trade, with the custom memory accesses ALU synonymous with data fast enough to provide for an FPGA approach can perform these tasks better.
Also, synonymous, though some here in the forum, perhaps impatient because I have such issues less than a year ago had raised .... it will come.
So, as we are seen as our views are not far apart ... quite the contrary. In the mid-range models of 2 years ago!
At the high end graphics cards (the partial incredible parallel processing power to reach) there's not and in the current models are no longer synonymous.
What's with the software support this feature looks like I can not say synonymous.
As I said, "End to End" with new technologies and devices could be implemented "home video" a qualitative and quantum leap Comfort Technology that of the analog to digital still surpasses - of the Theroie forth our views are not far apart.
But what does's, when the support is so slow and classified advertising promises that the products in the current form can only meet with compromises?
The way - ne nice anecdote s.Rande: are more and more "women's series" with his bold logo HDTV will come along even my better half our 'good old' Roehrenfernseher (despite his more than adequate 70 cm) is too small! (same principle: Mama and her Musikantenstadl).
When I fixed their grip on our household budget with HD football and the Discovery Channel would have to loosen up, I would have my fingers when broken.
I mean, "HDTV" There's already so are the top 90, only the Manufacturer verpennt a bid to create the real "makers";) convinced.
(And then when the first Ausgabegeraet there is growing all alone Of course the 'suffering' synonymous with the film on HD switch).
Antwort von WoWu:
Also because we are completely of one mind. But only by the pressure on the industry to get this change. Even though it sometimes takes longer. But the first results come slowly from the drawers, the example synonymous Black Magic. At NAB, it was obviously means that the DSPs on synonymous video cards on their land. Then we would have synonymous between the combinations of high-quality codec, a corresponding interface, the integration into the major NLEs and of course the computer support.
And I'm sure NVIDIA will be synonymous in the highend cards integrate, especially since the DSPs mocking really cheap.
My prediction is synonymous so that the HW synonymous in future TV sets will be lost.
But since it has been here in a lively discussion forum, where, because some are not able to imagine (want to) and prefer to practice in doubt.
This applies to happiness but not at all how to see again.
So I remain optimistic and have no fear of being of the caravan to be overtaken. Nice to know that there are more of them there.
Antwort von Daigoro:
But since it has been here in a lively discussion forum, where, because some are not able to imagine (want to) and prefer to practice in doubt. At the current rate of the rolling Manufacturer isses halt unfortunately easier to doubt than to believe. 2 years and more is in hardware and software product cycles practically ne half eternity. That comes as little large area is not a really good sign. (positive for me personally, the BluRay has enforced a look - now that's better than HD DVD is really Taster - hauptsache the machines come up for the Christmas season and hopefully many without 'early adopter' premium on the market).
Luckily, I am currently not in tight spot and it can allow me to be seen.
Antwort von WoWu:
I agree, although the latest figures from the U.S. say that the BluRay paragraphs are rapidly declining ... but you did right, of course. The planning is here.
Only this has obviously synonymous with regard to the missing codec .... 1080p is still synonymous not yet standardized in all the details.
And .. clear in the data are 2 years a lot, but in the video section already less .... denk s.HD times as you've already said D2MAC since there are now nearly 15 years.
I think the biggest brakes to be the licensing departments of companies who have absolutely ITS system in the world and want aufdrücken more lobbying than it does the progress would be helpful, because of course everything is blocked.
I can even sing that song because I have over the decades with such types had to do, which means each is right, they do not permit decisions to block.
But I think the boat is moving, (at times another allegory to use) and what I myself s.Qualitäten from H.264 to get is already convincing. Only you have the tools properly, or the implementations must be done well. But this is missing at present is still pretty. Perhaps that is the reason so synonymous (@ Bruno) why ADOBE still so hesitant is because real quick shots would be synonymous with market verschrecken.
Example: as I go with the global movement to Vector, which is already outside of the camera images allows prediction, if the camera manufacturers by bringing the sensor chip surface that do not support and how do I then the volume of data, if only the global movement in the real picture starts .
You have yet to have agreements and appointments to be taken before such a system of hardware and software across the set.
But I think we must be patient because .... yes nothing is synonymous away. Most of us have already and nobody pushes HD .... good.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
@ Wolfgang (WoWu)
I do not know if you've already noticed it in AVCHD currently makes obvious any company what they want. It agrees with the generic term "AVCHD" but the data structures are very different, there was synonymous always packed. I noticed it in practice, simply because not all AVCHD clips with the tool X or Y "treat" them. Often fail even the software player s.einem certain AVCHD clip synonymous if they are other AVCHD clips quite be able to play.
Maybe you can on this subject a little "light".
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bruno
There is still a very fundamental problem. H.264 is undoubtedly the highest of all previous Komplexheitsgrad standards. There is absolutely no doubt, though I such generalizations, such as 10-fold or 8-fold too little differentiated find.
The previous standards, up to and including MPEG4 Part 2 was in a way syntax and procedures so that similar research.
H.264 but a few innovations in terms of prediction of adjacent picture points (intra-prediction). Furthermore, unlike previous standards postprocessing filter for reduction of compression artifacts prescribed, also works recursively.
This restricts the freedom in the parallel processing, ie the distribution between the cores of the CPU.
And so we would be already reflected in the differences in the various NLE's. (PM the apostrophe is for you, I grad 'so slipped)
Work NLE developers under the principle that "we have always done so, they will be no special performance from the current CPU to get and should be preferred with monolithic procedure (DSPs) friends.
Sometimes they try but synonymous in the "Hau Ruck" their system to play and to make it mandatory procedures simply gone. They are not synonymous but bitstreamconform.
AVCHD is a classic example. There will be a coding process applied synonymous but without the slightest care to ensure such standards is actually still is. (non squared pixel only as an example)
If we as a manufacturer of monolithic NLE solutions holds nothing would be the correct procedure to load the Bitstreamsyntax temporally and locally, regardless of the image to make and so the individual nuclei with comfortable jobs to show.
Moreover, introducing a dynamic distribution, all things that were not previously required were synonymous and certainly a learning process for the NLE manufacturers include.
Bruno, now I do not know what specific problems of the incompatibility you mentioned were available, but one clear once again to express: AVCHD is anything other than the standard MPEG-4 Part 10 Therefore, it is just so important that consumers either know it as a proprietary model in your hands, or better based on what the standard ... synonymous and that editors, such as a camcorder, which records H.264/AVC not as "well, yes, what is that exotic," stand up.
So I hope synonymous so that practitioners, like you, Wolfgang, Jan and a few more, this distinction synonymous s.den equipment and can make it sometime synonymous like an overview of who agreed with whom, actually true.
This applies to both the camcorder, as synonymous to NLEs.
With the incompatibilities we have in any case the next time a lot to do. Only then should sometime Socher companies who do not hold s.den Standard, synonymous with "rust" is because a standard is not made to make it as difficult as possible for the user to make. But some companies learn too late and the first try with your own "Gewurschtel" not only to save on licensing costs, but the synonymous Consumenten to their attachments to compel.
Antwort von weitwinkel:
"That applies to both the camcorder, as synonymous to NLEs.
With the incompatibilities we have in any case the next time a lot to do. Only then should sometime Socher companies who do not hold s.den Standard, synonymous with "rust" is because a standard is not made to make it as difficult as possible for the user to make. But some companies learn that very late and try to start with your own "Gewurschtel" not only to save on licensing costs, but the synonymous Consumenten to their attachments to compel. "
some times you could call the camcorder to keep s.den standard ...
gruß cj
ps. you know what about the new panasonic codec: HMC151?
Antwort von WoWu:
Well, with all the security, rather than the AVCHD H.264 AVC MPEG4 write like Samsung for example.
There will, of course, synonymous with the AVCHD roof Standards solutions .... only with 1440 (from the description AVCHD), the then sometimes nothing to do.
It is now not so that everything is where it stands AVCHD H.264 with nothing to do .... H.264 only would it, one could just rely on AVCHD is so guesswork.
But of course, the non-compliant format synonymous pictures, only triggers man just might be on such problems as described by Bruno.
To prevent this is indeed a standard made .....
Sure is synonymous any other solution, as long as one to his own small video island moves to everything is coordinated.
But it must then have the NLE not agree more ...
The HMC 151, I am at least for the HA and HG mode confident that Panasonic as s.die rules. The DB mode, however, speaks with his 1440 for themselves.
Exciting, there will only be back, as from 1 / 3 "once again to conjure 1920x1080 ....
Question is just whether it were not for big brother, the HPX 170 picks.
Antwort von motiongroup:
@ Anonymous guest / group motion
I speak only once for me
You can now of course, any other requirements involved, just because one's answer does not fit.
Now times, please take a little shorter, I have nothing unusual is required, I would think.
I think the representation of a practitioner, a lot of experience in the field and has yet to set out precisely how it is rarely found, shows that the software manufacturers on the best path.
The targeted practitioners, I know some people and these tests have been carried out myself.
Nobody has said that everything within a year would be perfect and there is no need to catch more there but the caravan moves now and next it seems some back, which it will be unaffected, with the next to work, with which he is happy. Nobody must be based on new methods or equipment change.
Within a year? How do they react? Many of the manufacturer have their rels. only and it will be renewed 1-2 years in country until the next rels. be published.
I admit synonymous to remember that in the early days of DV synonymous with every additional card only feasible and that synonymous HDV initially quite "bitter" was to edit.
No question that was always so but in the past generations had the time to two-thirds shorter.
So where is your problem?
The fact that there is an answer that does not fit into the Abneigungshaltung?
But that is nothing unusual but a basic problem for many social psychological experiments confirmed that people who have an initial presumption does not directly agree with almost only arguments that are to confirm their reluctance.
Now it is something deeply and slowly far away everything is to be read, I would think ... was recently in a newspaper to read in a study of the Unisität Mangrovia consumer forums too long not to be harmful and even smoking prolongs life.
So these stories better not write that I was too long, together with a psychologist
And what your demand and doubts expressed concern, but simply try's from and then tell us your experiences ... that would be a helpful contribution relating to, for sure you all would be grateful.
Again, we have already done enough and it was equal to the added years we have been so herumtesten and this technique is very good just do not think at this time and not synonymous Next. AVC is synonymous with and is already there in our beloved Purchase BDs and HD-DVD format only as a cut, it is currently inappropriate.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
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Antwort von motiongroup:
Hello Bruno, we need not quarrel about us and the discussion on the topic has Sonyzum topic AVCHD even answered.
http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/1669/45/1/0/
Zitat.cr
The first answer is that the ability to post only one criterion for a good recording format. AVCHD is as I said, not a Sony format, but we have developed together with Panasonic. The two leaders have done. And the main benefit of this format is the tremendous flexibility, allowing, and you have to imagine that there are a lot of filmmakers out there who does not edit the record and the play and that is certainly, at least if we consumer confidence data may be, the vast majority out there. And where do we want to access high-definition possible, just without all the editing to be cut without them. Rather, we want to give them the opportunity to quickly enjoy their results. The filmmakers are certainly, s.die you do not necessarily think, and not the layer that corresponds to your readers. But believe us, there is a huge mass of people out there who really are consumers who simply beautiful moments in life want to keep - and for which we have made this format. Please read the rest yourself ...
Antwort von WoWu:
Jau, he says with not a word that does not work .... he speaks only from the fact that the target is not the amateur video are .... synonymous has never been questioned ... quite the contrary.
Antwort von motiongroup:
That will slow me now as I regret to imagine something to be laborious and TRS I hie me from s.nun ... they either can not or do not want them but in principle it is no preference.
Now people buy AVCHD camcorder to the intersection problems and works perfectly s.besten already gone.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Jau, he says with not a word that does not work .... he speaks only from the fact that the target is not the amateur video are .... synonymous has never been questioned ... quite the contrary. Strange, I am the exact opposite of les:
"But believe us, there is a huge mass of people out there who really are consumers who simply beautiful moments in life want to keep - and for which we have made this format."
From so much marketing is done me evil.
Coffee ride quality.
I'd as "appalling beautiful moments in movies that no human being voluntarily more than once committed to hold" on set. : P
And "there is a huge mass of people out there who really are consumers" is even in the OT almost black humor.
"A huge mass, which really every scheiss Buy, we throw on the market, without a big overhead to consider marketing as long as the promises are just colorful enough."
"Megapixels", "Full HD" and "sun tomatoes ".... irgendwann mal ein I read book over there.
But I'm synonymous Berufsnoergler and spoilsport. : D
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... "there is a huge mass of people out there who really are consumers who simply beautiful moments in life want to keep - and for which we have made this format ."... marketing chatter ride quality coffee ... .. . Almost black humor ... None of these things in my opinion, but simply a description of facts. With the far largest group of filmmakers - estimates are of 85% off - was simply no desire to see the images in any way. The Forum here in more or less active filmmakers are not representative for the mass market.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Daigoro:
None of these things in my opinion, but simply a description of facts. With the far largest group of filmmakers - estimates are of 85% off - was simply no desire to see the images in any way. The Forum here in more or less active filmmakers are not representative for the mass market.
Gruß Bernd E. I know. I know so user - so I'm a user.
I wanted to be synonymous times' unforgettable moments of high quality stick 'and have me as the next Emmerich (or at least Boll;) seen.
Most 'end' to a CameraLink s.liebsten course, the Titanic II (with'm dinghy down the Wupper) of filming alone.
Had I liked synonymous - not abber gibbet.
However, of these Schlipstragenden Businesschoolabsolventen done so 'as if' and deliberately risked the cameras that then gather dust in a cupboard somewhere.
Macht ja nix, se are sold already and with the next generation begins the game back of the front, because that the last (8mm, Video8, MiniDV, HDV) camera is not rotated Titanic II has had in any case s.der outdated technology and never s.unsinnigen advertising promise. : P
ps very funny (or sad, depending on how one's looks) is to bridge the gap between "amateur" and "professional" filmerei close to the professional league is strongly oriented to the bottom.
See: Germany's Next Top Model (yes it actually looks something, but I got a woman so synonymous ne excuse) of yesterday.
So much complains .. Enes rumgeeiere, rumgewackle, rumgezoome because I can still hope to make professional's stock to move.
The only bright spot: The director of commercial filming. Tough Enough - funny (except for the 'actor').
The 'poor' Heidi looks whether his biting comments ( "yes, well, since one could now say, had said the talent, but you're actually remembers when you come inside, it is amateurs') bedroeppelt a bit and says" our director is Strictly, but especially today. "
Antwort von @web.de:
.... and what program would be for AVCHD editing s.besten? (around 100 ¬, for example, Magix, Pinnacle, ...)
Antwort von Marco:
Sony Movie Studio Platinum is not bad for it.
Marco
Antwort von @leoHDV:
.... and what program would be for AVCHD editing s.besten? (around 100 ¬, for example, Magix, Pinnacle, ...) ... and what program would be for AVCHD editing s.besten? (around 100 ¬, for example, Magix, Pinnacle, ...)
Antwort von wolfgang:
... and what program would be for AVCHD editing s.besten? (around 100 ¬, for example, Magix, Pinnacle, ...) Actually primarily Pinnacle Studio 11 + and Vegas Media Studio 8 for cutting the native (ie, directly of AVCHD material), or (slightly more expensive but for older PCs) Canopus NEO on intermediates.
Antwort von leoHDV:
Ok, thank you for your answers!
Antwort von leoHDV:
Now, a friend of me bought ne AVCHD camcorder and editing with its quad-core is with Pinacle 11 No problem!
Goes well redundant.
The soup is not eaten as hot as it is cooked! ;)
Antwort von wolfgang:
Yes, I go s.Q6600 with 3.3 Ghz synonymous liquid - up to 2 video tracks. With HDV, you have s.gleichem system about 5-7 tracks smooth.
It is not impossible to process the material - it's just harder than HDV.
