Frage von capella:
After I did the Forum durchstöbert and masses have read threads with the title "purchase advice DV camcorder, I still did not find what I'm looking .. mainly because this thread looking for beginner models. So I am now registered to themselves to open a thread ..
I have currently have one SonyHC14 .. hold an entry-level model.
I am already did several years with DV editing .. and has always had the problem that my money is only for new software and not enough for a camera. Well in post production, I now know pretty well .. and now wanted auchmal tions "professional" film shoot .. a good micro-I, a micro rod I built myself ^ ^, with the post, I know how well said .. and I have enough ideas. Now stop missing the good nurnoch Picture, and because it comes into the game ^ ^
My limit is around 1000euro; synonymous would buy second-hand cameras .. when the state is top.
What I am looking for:
- 3CCD
- DV (very important! No HDV)
- Zoom really interesting .. hauptsache optical
- Internal Micro .. actually synonymous uninteresting .. unless it is really good (on Will not covered Kamerageräuche in the sound, so I have my external)
- True 16:9 (which for me is a very important point)
- Firewire (Only once again to be sure ^ ^)
- Should synonymous good picture in low light provide .. (my hc14 has given such a nasty image noise)
- It should be at the Camera as much as possible can MANUALLY
- Image Stabilization (optical wirds in my price range probably does not enter)
- Please do not touch screen ... and if then only for minor matters (I was thrilled when I first touch the screen I've seen HC14 .. as the newcomer is sure ne nice gimmick ... but if you like with the Manual Focus wants to work is such a Touch screen terrible!)
Now 2 points in the price category glaubich seeehr far-fetched are ^ ^ but maybe done an amazing yes:
- 24p mode (which would hold the hammer ... but that's probably just a dream ^ ^)
- Or in general a Camera in the progressive recording mode
* edit * Ahja the size of the camera does not matter! I would even go so far: the bigger, the better! Then there is at least what is in the hands .. and can be quiet .. as filmed with this little shaky camcorders
* Edit2 * the only camera that I found quite good was the SonyDCR-VX2100 .. needed to ensure there are cheaper ... maybe someone of you with this camera experience and yes I can tell whether the good is
Well I hope someone can help me.
mfg, capella
Antwort von Bernd E.:
- Image Stabilization (optical wirds in my price range probably does not enter) Optical image stabilizers have been around for much less money, because you certainly do not need it. At first glance, reminds me of your wish list, moreover, the Panasonic NV-GS500 On. Have you ever closer to the views?
... the only camera that I found quite good was the SonyDCR-VX2100 .. needed to ensure there are cheaper ... maybe someone of you with this camera experience and yes I can tell whether the good is The VX2100 is very good (not only in Lowlight area you'll find in this class nothing better), only one "true" 16:9, it is not. And for 1000 euro should you not find synonymous needed. Even the predecessor VX2000 is usually still s.1300 euro upwards.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von capella:
thanks for the reply:)
I had the predecessor Panasonic NV-GS400 times synonymous prestigious and much positive drüber read .. but I could find nirgens for sale.
the panasonic is not in the progressive mode on or?
s.liebsten würd ich ja remain at hector ^ ^ I was so synonymous so enthusiastically of the DCR-VX2100 .. Also, the progressive /
Antwort von PowerMac:
Conversely. The SonyVX2100 is not on with 25p. The Panasonic GS400 for it.
Antwort von capella:
synonymous the gs500?
Antwort von Beno:
- True 16:9 (which for me is a very important point) There is no 1024x576, but only the anamorphic 720x576 which in the pseudo-Width at 1024x576 is stretched. DV has only 720x576!
Antwort von Bernd E.:
the panasonic is not in the progressive mode on or? To determine what a camera can always look in the manual recommended:
www.produkte.panasonic.de/product/product.asp?sStr=4 @ - @ 10 @ 21 @ 120@@@@GS500EG-NV-S Mini-DV @ & = & old-fashioned prop = DOC
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von levis0208:
What speaks against the HV20? Can at least 25p and in the NTSC version synonymous 24p you synonymous as a simple computer can read it if you want.
Antwort von levis0208:
Search times for a Sony TRV 900 of - I think is exactly your thing (up to 16:9 - see explanation above).
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Of Sony TRV 900 ... exactly your thing ... up to 16:9 ... Like the TRV900, the 16:9-format recording, I can not say ('ve never tried), but apart from that she has the same "progressive" as the VX2100, which is a halving of the framerate to 12.5 fps means - and on top of anyway just in 4:3 format is adjustable. Who can not use it for the TRV900 is the one of the best camcorder in this class that have ever had and probably ever will.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von vanvita:
thanks for the reply:)
I had the predecessor Panasonic NV-GS400 times synonymous prestigious and much positive drüber read .. but I could find nirgens for sale.
Exactly one week ago today I was able to the NV-GS400 even admired in shop windows.
In the "duty free" Samnaun Valley! (The Must-day trip destination for all visitors Tyrol!)
It was 1399 Swiss francs, which converted approximately 850 euros.
Just over the border you have to get it yet. ;-)
Antwort von mini-me:
Do not know whether the gs400 advantages compared to the 500s, but the non-synonymous, there's duty free shopping at 800EUR for:
http://www.guenstiger.de/gt/main.asp?okid=0&suche=panasonic + gs500
Elsewhere probably even cheaper
Antwort von vanvita:
Do not know whether the gs400 advantages compared to the 500s, but the non-synonymous, there's duty free shopping at 800EUR for:
http://www.guenstiger.de/gt/main.asp?okid=0&suche=panasonic + gs500
Elsewhere probably even cheaper Second, consider that the 500s, the smaller version of the NV-GS400 is!
Seen under the NV-GS500 score clearly in many of the NV-GS400.
Similar to the models NV-GS300 and NV-GS320.
Antwort von capella:
- True 16:9 (which for me is a very important point)
There is no 1024x576, but only the anamorphic 720x576 which in the pseudo-Width at 1024x576 is stretched. DV has only 720x576! no thought that I was not ...
I mean that when I use the 16:9 mode anschmeiße, not just top unt below the image is trimmed ... but I have more in width can see
I said with a genuine 16:9
Antwort von fenom:
- True 16:9 (which for me is a very important point)
There is no 1024x576, but only the anamorphic 720x576 which in the pseudo-Width at 1024x576 is stretched. DV has only 720x576!
no thought that I was not ...
I mean that when I use the 16:9 mode anschmeiße, not just top unt below the image is trimmed ... but I have more in width can see
I said with a genuine 16:9 That is, yes. If you activate the 16:9 mode, the picture is not trimmed, but it is only about twice the width stretched. There are of Century 16:9 Anamorphic (Is that so?), The screws you in front of the lens on it, but then I think the cropped image when I am not mistaken, but that you do not want. Thus, you buy an HD camcorder, as is standard 16:9. When I think HDV synonymous, but I do not know exactly!
Antwort von capella:
So, for each DV camcorder in 16:9 mode, the image just above the bottom and trimmed and then increases the overall picture? but that would mean that in the 16:9 mode the picture quality is much worse
Antwort von PowerMac:
So, for each DV camcorder (...) No, but some.
Antwort von capella:
So, for each DV camcorder (...)
No, but some. even! and exactly what I said with genuine 16:9 ^ ^ to halt not just the image is cropped and then reingezoomt will.
* edit * my old analogue sony has not done is synonymous ... because if I am to 16:9 gegeangen I left and the right to see more than 4:3 ... and without extra linse
Antwort von fenom:
If you activate the 16:9 mode, the picture is not trimmed, but it is only about twice the width stretched. so
Antwort von AndyZZ:
If you activate the 16:9 mode, the picture is not trimmed, but it is only about twice the width stretched. There are of Century 16:9 Anamorphic (Is that so?), The screws you in front of the lens on it, but then I think the cropped image when I am not mistaken, but that you do not want. Thus, you buy an HD camcorder, as is standard 16:9. When I think HDV synonymous, but I do not know exactly! All nonsense!
There are three types of DV a 16:9 picture to draw. Common to all is the actual pixel resolution of 720x576. The differences lie in the interpretation of the pixel.
Variant 1 (often in older DV camcorders):
The 4:3 picture will be recorded and aufhezeichnet. The cam has a 16:9 mode. After switching on you while the 16:9 picture on the screen, you will remember but that is neither right nor left s.Bildrand information to come, but see above and the bottom picture information are removed. This picture is then with a pixel aspect ratio of 1.422 for the horizontal pixel interpreted. Your TV (if you have a 16:9 TV) the picture in 16:9, but with somewhat lower image quality.
Variant 2 (with modern DV camcorders):
The chip is already in 16:9, recognizable because of switching of 4:3 to 16:9 right and left s.Bildrand additional image information is visible, while above and below everything remains as it is. Also here is the only camcorder at 720x576 px, synonymous here with the pixel is interpreted 1.422.
Variant 3 (the Anarmophot):
To the loss of resolution camcorders at the Option 1 should be avoided, there is a special lens, the picture horizontally squeeze. You have then to your camcorder screen only egg-heads. The picture is recorded in 4:3, with the usual 720x576 pixels and, as usual, at 4:3, with the pixel aspect ratio 1.067 interpreted. Your TV shows egg heads. In your software you need to cut the manual the correct aspect ratio of 1.422 set, then the clips are synonymous right interprertiert. On TV 16:9 helps the zoom button.
Even with HDV is actually a pixel aspect ratio is interpreted. The devices draw only synonymous namely 1440x1080 pixels and 1920x1080 not.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Variant 4 (Fake 16:9):
The normal 4:3-Picture from the sensor at the top and bottom trimmed, there are bars draufgelegt. Called "letterbox". Logically, the Picture for the viewers have a content of 16:9, ie an aspect ratio of 1:1,41. However, it is in a 4:3-Picture. Among the regular 4:3 image information are just two bars. Often used in the TV, select "Movies" and "film reception to simulate. If you so Picture letterboxed 16:9 on a normal TV viewing, then you left and right, and black bars above and below. By senderseitiges Pillarbox procedure or the digital Reinzoomen, you get this under control.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Andy, but do still synonymous sample pictures inside, then we have a new FAQ.
Antwort von AndyZZ:
When I think on it tonight, I Make something together.
Antwort von otnemem:
@ AndyZZ
"Variant 1 (often in older DV camcorders):
The 4:3 picture will be recorded and aufhezeichnet. The cam has a 16:9 mode. After switching on you while the 16:9 picture on the screen, you will remember but that is neither right nor left s.Bildrand information to come, but see above and the bottom picture information are removed. This picture is then with a pixel aspect ratio of 1.422 for the horizontal pixel interpreted. Your TV (if you have a 16:9 TV) the picture in 16:9, but with somewhat lower image quality. "
hmmm,
how's that coming where s.rand because the information come from?
The optical system captures a certain maximum ausschnitt one (1:1) ...
turn now in 16:9 where should because what s.rand come from? is not the visual image to a wider area distributed?
where sd camcorder is what you describe the fall?
the HDV camcorder, it is so different because when you switch to 4:3
from the optical system was cut off (which is synonymous is not a problem)?
gruß cj
Antwort von capella:
If you activate the 16:9 mode, the picture is not trimmed, but it is only about twice the width stretched. There are of Century 16:9 Anamorphic (Is that so?), The screws you in front of the lens on it, but then I think the cropped image when I am not mistaken, but that you do not want. Thus, you buy an HD camcorder, as is standard 16:9. When I think HDV synonymous, but I do not know exactly!
All nonsense!
There are three types of DV a 16:9 picture to draw. Common to all is the actual pixel resolution of 720x576. The differences lie in the interpretation of the pixel.
Variant 1 (often in older DV camcorders):
The 4:3 picture will be recorded and aufhezeichnet. The cam has a 16:9 mode. After switching on you while the 16:9 picture on the screen, you will remember but that is neither right nor left s.Bildrand information to come, but see above and the bottom picture information are removed. This picture is then with a pixel aspect ratio of 1.422 for the horizontal pixel interpreted. Your TV (if you have a 16:9 TV) the picture in 16:9, but with somewhat lower image quality.
Variant 2 (with modern DV camcorders):
The chip is already in 16:9, recognizable because of switching of 4:3 to 16:9 right and left s.Bildrand additional image information is visible, while above and below everything remains as it is. Also here is the only camcorder at 720x576 px, synonymous here with the pixel is interpreted 1.422.
Variant 3 (the Anarmophot):
To the loss of resolution camcorders at the Option 1 should be avoided, there is a special lens, the picture horizontally squeeze. You have then to your camcorder screen only egg-heads. The picture is recorded in 4:3, with the usual 720x576 pixels and, as usual, at 4:3, with the pixel aspect ratio 1.067 interpreted. Your TV shows egg heads. In your software you need to cut the manual the correct aspect ratio of 1.422 set, then the clips are synonymous right interprertiert. On TV 16:9 helps the zoom button.
Even with HDV is actually a pixel aspect ratio is interpreted. The devices draw only synonymous namely 1440x1080 pixels and 1920x1080 not. And what I'm looking for is a camcorder with option 2:)
Antwort von fenom:
Canon XM2 or SonyVX2100
