Frage von Indiana:
Hi,
I want an HD camcorder with growth (what else;)).
The most important point for me is the picture quality, I can Noise & Co do not have.
Colors should be realistic, not gaudy.
It is used mainly "out of hand" for recordings on vacation and the children (and so Famielienveranstaltungen).
Will not synonymous with a lot of settings rumtun simply filming and then nacher s.PC the unnecessary material rausschneiden and burn to BD.
price would be nice if under 2000Euro would, if it is the ultimate device for a little longer I would not be averse.
Antwort von Conducator:
Do you live here already in the camcorder-wide Comparison http://www.camcorder-test.com/ compatriots?
No? na dann mal so start s.and clarify the debate, the then outstanding questions.
PS1. Have you ever thought as to how you can edit the recordings / want. The plays will ever have a role in the choice of recording formats and limits the selection of devices in a natural way.
PS2. When Money and editing system does not play, then you buy s.Besten the SonyPMW-EX1 / 3 or HVR-S270 ;-)
Antwort von Indiana:
Of course, I broke my camcorder test these views, it is indeed in a Sticky-Tread above.
Unfortunately I do not know what I should verlgeichen.
In another thread, the Canon HF100 and the SonyHDR-SR12 mentioned, but when I look at the test pictures on the page look a little disappointed I am.
Interface is clear, however, the common, ie USB or FireWire.
And is it so difficult to cut AVCHD? I want nothing so elaborate but only the unnecessary parts of the film rausschneiden.
Antwort von raymaker:
No noise may want to have realistic colors, image quality of HF100 and Co. too bad, but then just a holiday films from the film HAND want?
Please imagine exactly what you want. Here, something is wrong. Also you should something with the technology. Vorkauen nobody can give you something, and the eierlegende Wollmichsau are certainly not.
Antwort von Indiana:
Gibts of the HF100 synonymous with the test recordings are made of 24p?
In the test database is only one of which is interlaced :-(
But what should not vote? I watch not so much, but want the best quality and have me in a few years not annoy shotgun purchased / produced it.
And what should I get as familiar with the technology? There are HDV and AVCHD, the latter is the latest trend. Just as CCD and CMOS. Everything has its stop in front and disadvantages.
Actually I thought a simple question to have.
Which device for making the best ~ 2000Euro Picture?
Mir has no preference whether HDV / AVCHD, CCD / CMOS or the storage media.
If you say it is the HF100 then I'm just glad it was synonymous less than planned.
Antwort von Daigoro:
I watch not so much, but want the best quality and have me in a few years not annoy shotgun purchased / produced it. A guarantor for scrap is:
It is used mainly "out of hand" for shots .. The statement that you wanted to gently teach:
No noise may want to have realistic colors, image quality of HF100 and Co. too bad, but then just a holiday films from the film HAND want?
Antwort von Conducator:
....
Actually I thought a simple question to have.
Which device for making the best ~ 2000Euro Picture?
Mir has no preference whether HDV / AVCHD, CCD / CMOS or the storage media.
If you say it is the HF100 then I'm just glad it was synonymous less than planned. so silly! Still do not understand what you are three people dedicated to trying to say?:
The answer to your "simple question" is impossible or too complicated, because your question is too simple! Understood?
There is no best camera, just as it is the "best pair of shoes", as here recently another user has correctly noted. You have to be on the ways that you go, it can run and you feel good (in order to keep the picture).
If you do not have special needs and you always just out of the hands on film, then you save the money for an HF100 or SR12 and buy the SonyHDR HC5 for 500 EUR. Because you get a lot for little money.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Gibts of the HF100 synonymous with the test recordings are made 24p ... Look at the American test sites: The Europe version of the HF100 has no 24p recording option.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Indiana:
Look at the American test sites: The Europe version of the HF100 has no 24p recording option. Uh? What a pity.
The SonySR11/12 is synonymous not 24p.
Why?
Antwort von Conducator:
Look at the American test sites: The Europe version of the HF100 has no 24p recording option.
Uh? What a pity.
The SonySR11/12 is synonymous not 24p.
Why? What versprichchst you look at the film from the hands "of 24p?
In the consumer segment are the most progressive images from any interlaced signals zusammengestzte images and on the other hand you have a worse resolution than movement 50i.
The discussions about the HD-signal of the European Football Championship has led to European Fersehsender now back on 1080i/50 of 720p/50 want to change ...
About 1080p/50, however I would not grumble ;-)
Antwort von wolfgang:
Na 24p would be in relation to the Blu Ray Authoring good - real 25p because there simply is not supported.
Antwort von raymaker:
I believe that 95% of the possibilities of the high-end consumer models can not be used. Among the people I count thee synonymous. There are wonderful shorts with a breathtaking picture quality when making wonderful resources have been used.
If I read but must be "Best picture quality, but from hand to film on vacation" I am sick.
HC5 500 ¬ more you need not.
Antwort von Indiana:
I hang s.dem 24p/25p so precisely because BD uses this format.
Will I not 50i with a poorer quality as it is for the BD at 24p are converted to?
Or can BD 1080/50i?
Antwort von brendan:
with the canon XH A1, without VAT and with cash back almost synonymous kommste eur to 2000;)
Antwort von Zizi:
How much Cahshback gibts because the A1?
So if you around 2000 ¬ really gets me, I buy these synonymous!
still have a Canon XL1 the synonymous but still loose about ¬ 1000 worth?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Conducator
The discussions about the HD-signal of the European Football Championship has led to European Fersehsender now back on 1080i/50 of 720p/50 want to change ... Just for correction:
Not discussing the signal but the actions of users who previously decorated with HD devices have their devices but 1080i/25 instead 720p/50 support and the supply is still low with 720p50 TV equipment has led s.Markt that transmitter with alternatively, such rights such live broadcasts in 1080i/25 want to offer to the market situation has improved for 720p50.
For information only: Also standard in the production of ARD / ZDF is 720p50
Furthermore, the sports broadcasts so far in 1080i/25 produces what in Switzerland and in Austria to a loss s.Bildqualität led (1080i/25 after conversion of 720p50).
The right institutions are leading the future, according to the EBU, the increased influence of external production qualities are.
For Germany it was so far no preference anyway, because the EM only in SD has been transferred.
Antwort von cebros:
Which HD devices because the user will not support 720p? To my knowledge, this is one of the requirements of the HD Ready logo
(... 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive ...)
Antwort von WoWu:
Triggered the discussion is synonymous with the conversion of 720p and 1080i, according to the associated quality loss (Austria and Switzerland), because those entrusted with the transmission company no production has offered 720p.
Antwort von raymaker:
How much Cahshback gibts because the A1?
So if you around 2000 ¬ really gets me, I buy these synonymous!
still have a Canon XL1 the synonymous but still loose about ¬ 1000 worth? NO VAT - about 2500 ¬ including the difficult
In addition you need: Filters, Tripods, Case, Batteries = 300 ¬.
Incidentally poor equipment. As this technology good movies ruined by hand. This can not but s.Ende approve of ¬ 200-MediaMarkt camcorders differ. I am doing in any case difficult because high-end of low-end to distinguish when the recording is grottig style. Even if there are 3000 ¬ difference.
Antwort von Indiana:
So now I come slowly in the video resolutions up.
Blu Ray movies are the best of my knowledge 1920x1080 progresive with 24 frames per second.
Would not it be best if the camera takes up exactly this format?
The wiki says to HDV 1080i: 1440 x 1080 pixels with frame rates of 25p or 50i (30p or 60i).
That would have been back only 4:3 and not 16:9, as indeed all HD players do ... ?
Antwort von DeeZiD:
The HF100 supports 1920x1080/25p without ever a bad deinterlacer (like the Canon A1/G1 or H1) s.Signal gewerkelt would.
The problem is that it is exactly this format (which we use internally synonymous) no Bluray standard - why always synonymous.
Representing a remains is the conversion on 720p/25p, 1080p/24p (slower) or 1080i/25i (with significant quality losses).
Some Bluray player like the PS3 play 1080p/25p however easily from.
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von Zizi:
HDV can only take one line since 1440 on a cassette no longer have space! However, by 1920 After Pixel Shift achieved.
As I said with a good sensor HDV1440 ne clearly has better quality than a 1920 with a bad sensor!
I've just about me .. as the wärs with an import from the USA with a Canon XH A1?
The ridges then 2000 ¬ cash back and maybe even worse ... + Shipping Inch and 2000 ¬ will hardly be exceeded?
And sch .. times on Blue-ray! since 1440 to see images clearly with 50i better than 24p bilder 1920 under a 3000 ¬ Cam!
Whether there will be changed now or not is quite bread!
Antwort von brendan:
forget the import, the price is not sooo eh erstmal riesen our various zz, then there is inches and the import turnover tax (19%) on it.
obs cash back then still exist, I do not know, do not believe on this website (was here in the corresponding thread in the forum linked canon) are only certain countries are listed in which had to be purchased.
I've paid for my 3090, (DVcut.de - but then again increased somewhat) get the Tax yes again, makes 2502 eur, -300 are 2202nd - - is doch super! with his import, I would be much forget it!
Antwort von Zizi:
http://www.amazon.com/ Canon -XH-A1-High-Definition-Camcorders/dp/B000H7GSG6/ref = pd_bbs_sr_1? Ie = UTF8 & s = electronics & qid = 1216285814 & sr = 8-1 So customs and shipping, I now about 20% .. The current U.S. dollars would be at little more than 2000 ¬ .. knew not what it would be wrong?
Possibly. CashBack yet ... when he dan 24p 30p and 50i! what more could you want .. bekomt to the price is 4000 ¬ nothing better!
Antwort von Indiana:
Well, of 25 to 24 images are slowing just 2.4 seconds per minute, so I could live.
To me, the HF100 is always nice.
Submit Class6 SDHC cards or must it be faster?
How many minutes of film (at maximum resolution) I get to 16GB?
Antwort von DeeZiD:
@ Zizi: The 25p or 24p to the A1 are really not worth mentioning.
The quality is simply very last Groats. Since deinterlacet you s.Calculator (vorallem with Avisynth + SecureBob) 10x better ...
@ indiana:
SDHC Class6 is as far as I know the fastest.
At 120min fit 16GB in the highest picture quality!
see here: http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/ Canon -Vixia-HF100-Camcorders-Review-35094/Format.htm
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von DeeZiD:
Well, of 25 to 24 images are slowing just 2.4 seconds per minute, so I could live.
To me, the HF100 is always nice.
You know that the sound is synonymous around 4%, ie approximately one semitone, slow, or people who talk in the recordings, singing, etc., on one "something" deeper voices? : D
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von Zizi:
The 25p and 24p of the A1 are really not worth mentioning.
The quality is simply very last Groats. Since deinterlacet you s.Calculator (vorallem with Avisynth + SecureBob) 10x better ...
Nevertheless, what speaks against the A1?
Synonymous'm already on about whether I am for 2000 ¬ not buy this part ..
Antwort von raymaker:
The 25p and 24p of the A1 are really not worth mentioning.
The quality is simply very last Groats. Since deinterlacet you s.Calculator (vorallem with Avisynth + SecureBob) 10x better ...
Nevertheless, what speaks against the A1?
Synonymous'm already on about whether I am for 2000 ¬ not buy this part .. Excluding VAT you will get for 2300 ¬ - and this is synonymous well spent.
Note however that since Batteries + accessories, etc. plus what good times ¬ 200 total.
In 2600 ¬ you will come as little away. Because I would rather a heavily upgraded HV30 take.
Antwort von Zizi:
Where can I buy without VAT. for 2300 ¬?
Who benefits from it without the VAT. I am a private buyer anyway!
Antwort von Indiana:
You know that the sound is synonymous around 4%, ie approximately one semitone, slow, or people who talk in the recordings, singing, etc., on one "something" deeper voices? : D Hmpf, which is obviously not so good.
Is there no other solution?
Antwort von SammyGray:
Look stores in the UK ..
Where appropriate für nen 50er fly to London and personally pick up the Camera.
Zb savings in SonyZ7E: 1900 Euro!
Greeting Sammy
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... www.amazon.com...zoll and shipping times, I now about this ... 20% do not know what it would be wrong ... Maybe. CashBack yet .. Unfortunately, it is wrong so much:
1. Shipping, Inch and tax add up (on the thumb are expected) to just 30 percent of the value of goods
2. The German Cashback action does not apply to goods covered by the importer to circumvent other than those specified markets was purchased
3. It is at this XH-A1 is a NTSC version with the famous sufficiently disadvantages here
4. Amazon.com provides the camera is not in Germany.
The bottom line remains that of "super bargains" left little ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
UK Shops ... ... fly to London and personally pick up the camera ... like saving for SonyZ7E: 1900 Euro ... A Z7 for around 3500 euros? That would be a real bargain time! Or missing in these accounts and tax Inch? If the offer but is clean, I would be for links to stores with such prices grateful.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von SammyGray:
So the price of the cheapest I've found was at 5900 Euo.
At Ebay.co.uk gibts a supplier of the camera for 3200 PUND sold. Even with a shop in London.
From Friedrichshafen I finally to London less than 20 euros per flight with Ryanair paid.
So it can certainly be worth it!
Especially you have a PAL device.
What is with the warranty from?
Greeting Sammy
Antwort von SammyGray:
Inch? Tax?
EU:)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Inches? Tax? ... EU :)... It's true, if the sell camcorder actually synonymous in inches is domestic. At the mention of the so-cheap shops in London, I thought the first s.Globalmediapro, although there are synonymous, but on British soil seems only a customs-free warehouse entertain: He walks the goods on the table are inches and import VAT due. Globalmediapro This shows on the homepage so synonymous out.
Since you have a Ebay Dealers have meant, of course looks different. Currently, however, he seems to have no job - the cheapest Z7 is 3800 pounds (which is still well below the market price is German).
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von SammyGray:
Hello Bernd,
exactly - Globalmediapro - it was not.
The auction ended already a few days ago that this vendor has even 100% positive reviews on hundreds of articles sold in a 4 digit field. Thanks to the shop, yes we would be on the safe aufjedenfall Page.
I look, whether I still think the auction.
Greeting Sammy
Antwort von Zizi:
If you have always been of Blue-ray and 24p, etc. speak to you just buy them here
Antwort von masterseb:
jvc gy-200hd: D
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... jvc gy-200hd ... Once there is a HD200 for the 2000 Euro, which the questioner wants to spend here, I'll get them to me synonymous ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Indiana:
If you have always been of Blue-ray and 24p, etc. speak to you just buy them here
Antwort von Indiana:
The Panasonic HS100 sounds very interesting.
When can you expect with a test, so the camcorder Comparison is something to see?
Antwort von Zizi:
The video would be active even a first test .. me is not convincing.
As I've expected much more. The SD100 is on SD1 level with maybe a bit better sharpness, that's it.
Antwort von Indiana:
Den I've seen.
Since I currently do not have your camcorder, it would be for me not so bad if he is in his predecessor lowlight area can not be beat.
I am interested in the Comparison of image quality (In daylight, under the Pana 150lux would indeed be better.) With the HF100 and SR11, both of the videos I have seen and was OK.
