Frage von Raphael80:
Hi All,
since this is my first post, I would like to introduce myself, my name is Raphael, I'm 29 years old and am studying production incidentally very enthusiastic about music (;) musically and technically. I know myself with video technology from some, but I am absolutely not a professional.
I have been informed already eligible camcorders and almost need the latest rubber stamp on your part, or happy synonymous suggestions.
I'm looking for a camcorder, which I (at concerts, so when rather dark environment, but constantly changing lighting or light intensity) both on the stationary tripod, can be used as synonymous in the hand. This should, of course, synonymous tune the sound quality, or be possible to connect an external microphone. Sound quality but has rather low priority video is crucial.
Another Anwendungebereich would be similar, namely, when camping holiday video evening or at night. Some faint light sources will be available, if need be synonymous a video light.
And of course, synonymous should be possible during the day good pictures, but I think about it I have to worry about.
Conclusion: I am looking for a camera to me in these situations, causing as little noise and can adapt quickly s.wechselnde Lighting.
In the recording medium I tend to MiniDV, 3CCD, or 3MOS is compulsory.
The devices, which I have rausgesucht me are:
- SonyDCR-TRV900E
- SonyDCR-VX2000
The latter should be very suitable for night shots, at the first I know that the picture quality during the day well (; almost like watching TV) bin, where "night" I still unsafe.
S.Euch Now my question is: which of the two is better suited? There are (alternatives, perhaps even in HD)? My budget is obviously limited, so I had my first rausgesucht these older models. For a second-hand equipment my pain threshold is currently about $ 500.
Thank you for your answers!
Kindest regards,
Raphael
Antwort von Bernd E.:
VX2000 ... TRV900E ... ... ... which is better suited? Pain threshold ... ... about 500 euros ... Both are / were in fact very good cameras in its class, with the TRV900 is not on the lowlight VX2000 rich water. The latter would be for your purpose, therefore, chosen a better choice. BUT: For $ 500 you will probably not get used VX2000 that works yet. Even for the TRV900, this budget is very tight.
Antwort von Raphael80:
VX2000 ... TRV900E ... ... ... which is better suited? Pain threshold ... ... about 500 euros ...
BUT: For $ 500 you will probably not get used VX2000 that works yet. Even for the TRV900, this budget is very tight. Hello Bernd,
Many thanks for your answer! I have the VX2000 just discovered and am not yet quite clear on Gebrauchtpreise. However, I have watched for some time, the Prices for the TRV900, and always end up with about 400 euros. Should therefore lie in the budget. Get the VX2000, but keep an eye on next! Perhaps there is indeed a favorable synonymous VX1000 (; the hope) has similar qualities.
Thanks and regards!
Raphael
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Perhaps there is indeed a favorable synonymous VX1000 ... As much as I liked her, but just for your use in primarily low-light, I would not be a VX1000 take shortlisted Choice.
Antwort von tommyb:
Do not forget only that these cameras behave exactly like old cars. Through the advanced age of the equipment, the risk is high that they no longer work properly. Schlimmstensfalls the head is runtergenudelt, then that's a total loss.
Antwort von Raphael80:
... Perhaps there is indeed a favorable synonymous VX1000 ...
As much as I liked her, but just for your use in primarily low-light, I would not be a VX1000 take shortlisted Choice. Ok then is probably nothing. Thanks Bernd!
Antwort von Raphael80:
Do not forget only that these cameras behave exactly like old cars. Through the advanced age of the equipment, the risk is high that they no longer work properly. Schlimmstensfalls the head is runtergenudelt, then that's a total loss. Thanks for the note! Will I be observed.
How do things out with the Panasonic NV-GS300/500? They're synonymous something new. Has anyone else experience this?
Best regards!
Raphael
Antwort von kalle70:
Of the TRV900 I bought on ebay 5 h. (;!).
All but one were kind of scrap.
The Prices, ranging from 350 euros and 550 euros.
There is even a VX2000 on ebay not under 750 euros.
Antwort von Raphael80:
Hello,
First, I am pleased that my budget was being "involuntarily raised" by a heating recovery. :-)
Perhaps it is enough then yes but for a VX2000.
BUT: when I was still looking around here next, I've seen synonymous video examples of the Canon HV30. Although I'd written 3CCD etc. is a duty, but HD would be a great thing and long-term synonymous useful.
In addition I must say I've only got the Comparison to my old camcorder, a Panasonic NV-DS5, who brought halt in these situations especially with black background very annoying picture problems.
Get informed me again next, but the HV30 has it done to me somehow. :-)
Best regards!
Raphael
Antwort von deti:
... And then let it off nor wear-and old-fashioned tape technology and you buy a flash camcorder like the Canon HF100. Because you will save a lot of time and money if you already have a reasonably fast PC (;. 2x2, 4Ghz) and you.
Deti
Antwort von Yerri:
Only you can take a HV30/HF100 of the light intensity is not applicable to compare with the VX2000. As yet are still small worlds in between.
Antwort von kalle70:
Take time this HV30 in the hand ....
Sorry, but I think always s.Plastikspielzeug.
The VX2000 is not more up to date, but that is at least a proper video camera. And not a toy in which the manual zoom is operated by "Wälzchen.
The performance of the camera, however, is already great.
A small example yet, the TRV900E, which cost At best compact camera, new around 2800 Euro!
One VX2000 cost in 2000 about 3700 euros.
Even today, good cameras cost so much money.
Antwort von raymaker:
Take time this HV30 in the hand ....
Sorry, but I think always s.Plastikspielzeug.
The VX2000 is not more up to date, but that is at least a proper video camera. And not a toy in which the manual zoom is operated by "Wälzchen.
The performance of the camera, however, is already great. But nothing changes the fact that the HV30 in terms of image quality of the VX2000 in the ass .... synonymous occurs when it is greater.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... But nothing changes the fact that the HV30 the VX2000 in terms of image quality occurs in the ass ... When the sun is safe, but when I look at what the thread starter with his future intends Camera:
.... with rather dark environment while camping ... In the evening, or night. Some faint light sources exist .... Conclusion: I am looking for a camera to me in these situations, causing as little noise ... then it is more likely to be the HV30, which feels a kick in the ass ...
Antwort von Raphael80:
Hello,
@ Deti: The Canon HF100 or HF10 is getting even cheaper new than the HV30, like the low wear me synonymous. Only two have a smaller chip than the HV30. Makes the very noticeable in a dark environment?
Enough computing power for AVCHD, I would have (; Intel i7 920).
@ & Yerri kalle70: That you can not compare with the canons of the VX2000, I've been thinking, as well as the processing is not really darankommen. The TRV900 has so far as I remember s.Gehäuse some metal parts. Sowas like it already, but I did buy now simply a doubt a well-preserved unit.
When I look at various videos of the canyon in a dark environment, then there are already miles between what I have been accustomed! (; As written, a Panasonic NV-DS5, which was created over 10 years, a very decent MiniDV camcorder consumer)
Let it be equally good photos in daylight with TRV900 and VX2000, such as an HV30? - Please do not hit for that question! Respectively. the resolution can be good on "HD extrapolated?
As for the size of the canyon synonymous, I am still uncertain times would go into a shop tomorrow and take as a part of the hand.
Thank you for the many responses and greeting!
Raphael
Antwort von Raphael80:
... But nothing changes the fact that the HV30 the VX2000 in terms of image quality occurs in the ass ...
When the sun is safe, but when I look at what the thread starter with his future intends Camera:
.... with rather dark environment while camping ... In the evening, or night. Some faint light sources exist .... Conclusion: I am looking for a camera to me in these situations, causing as little noise ...
then it is more likely to be the HV30, which feels a kick in the ass ... Of that I'm going from synonymous, as I said, I see it at the moment, however, relative. The application will be 60% day / night 40%, while the latter stop me is very important because in recent recording quality itself with simple post-processing was not true. Thus, I had the video will inevitably be a "trashy" character, so that's not so noticeable. :-)
I am unsure whether I will get something within my budget, a well-preserved equipment. But there probably only helps to keep open "eyes".
Best regards!
Raphael
Antwort von bgk:
Hello Raphael,
You have
this offer
MfG,
BGK
Antwort von kalle70:
Now I'll tell something crass:
The Lowlightqualitäten the current consumer cameras are just differently bad.
Real Lowlighteigenschaften cameras have only about 2,000 euros or more.
Antwort von comix:
Now I'll tell something crass:
The Lowlightqualitäten the current consumer cameras are just differently bad.
Real Lowlighteigenschaften cameras have only about 2,000 euros or more. Nonsense. SD-300 and HDR-XR520VE seen? The beat, the XHA1 and probably even the VX2100 in terms lowlight. Sorry.
Antwort von Yerri:
Good joke, especially the with the SD-300.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
HDR-XR520 ... ... ... likely to surpass even the VX2100 in terms lowlight ... Suspect may be many things, but given the technical data of the two it would be very surprising if this supposition were true. The official manufacturer's instructions at least speak a different language: Accordingly, the VX2100 is expected to cope with much less light than the XR520.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
(Say so much more in diameter; Lens), the better light / incident aka LowLight behavior.
Given what is now screwed internal and what is not is still high but actually perform sinnfrei.
Sure today's cameras are there to go digital ran differently than they were, but still it is just kept simple.
Quasi nen ner phone with 72 mm optics fitted to the market and many suppliers could go home ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von comix:
Good joke, especially the with the SD-300. Little bit more to deal with the cameras, then it will work synonymous with the letter.
HDR-XR520 ... ... ... likely to surpass even the VX2100 in terms lowlight ...
Suspect may be many things, but given the technical data of the two it would be very surprising if this supposition were true. The official manufacturer's instructions at least speak a different language: Accordingly, the VX2100 is expected to cope with much less light than the XR520. Details are in similar circumstances, remain with the HD cams on their page. The times in which consume-cams were faint, is history.
Antwort von Raphael80:
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Antwort von kalle70:
The 12 lux test pictures here at Slashcam confirm your decision.
The Sonyist da worlds better than the Panasonic.
Perhaps once you give feedback after the Purchase and the first shots.
Antwort von Yerri:
Little bit more to deal with the cameras, then it will work synonymous with the letter.
Unlike you, I say only those things which I have already tested itself synonymous. I have only synonymous to the SD-300 made in camera because it can compete with a no Lowlightverhalten VX 2100th See the difference even a blind man. The VX2100 has 500/520er come closer, but still not quite manage to catch up in Lowlightbereich.
Nevertheless, I think the choice of Raphael80 very suitable for his purposes, he acquires primarily with the 500 still a reasonably handy device. But one should not forget that Sony synonymous here, this new series in terms of manual settings, but has neutered by its predecessors, SR 11/12 very strong.
Antwort von Raphael80:
Hi All,
mal ne wanted to give a short reply.
First I can only give the recommendation that does not HDR-XR500/520 "somewhere to order" on the Internet, the devices are apparently never in stock, but should be - although often is "instantly available" or "dispatch order" - and we may then at least a week wait. Whether that will be gray imports, I can not say, but I suspect it a shot. Whether the $ 100 price savings is worth it, sometimes an open question.
In any case, after some research I purchased a HDR-XR520 here in Cologne at Stillimage Gregory, the price was surprisingly cheap, it could be synonymous nor act a little.
For camcorders: so far I am extremely satisfied. The Picture is the hammer. I'm still a semi-fisheye (; Raynox HD-3032Pro) concerned and the part is an absolute enrichment.
In lowlight situations, the camcorder, however, tends to - in my opinion - to the overexposure, because then something needs to readjust it. Where I would be on topic MANUAL control, which I actually find it quite useful and "ergonomically correct". Again, this measurement point, point-focus option with the touch screen I find very interesting, never knew that something like this exist. :-)
The only shock then yesterday: in the rehearsal room I have the camcorder just let time run along and switched between by the device again and again of itself on standby. Have watched the whole and then during the recording, the message "HDD Access" and then synonymous "buffer overflow".
At first I was disappointed that they had purchased at the same time synonymous glad the device at a store. I had already clarified in the purchase, if anything happens to be in order, I immediately get a replacement.
At home, I've done it again, and troubleshooting the device can accommodate long synonymous s.Stück. Without problems.
Finally, I now suspect (; and am) I almost certain that the case of sensor is "guilty". (By the vibrations, and the camcorder was standing near the bass amp) solves this out and then probably go quickly to the reading head of the hard drive in the park position. When this happens repeatedly, eventually running through the buffer, because not enough data to be written. Get today to test it again in the test, but off the event sensor. ;-)
EDIT: protect the camcorder position ... and of course, different, or by shocks. It will indeed have a reason why the case starts up sensor.
So much for my first impression.
Best regards!
Raphael
Antwort von Jan:
Hello you,
So one SD 300, a similar Lowlightqualität like the VX 2000 is supposed to have - is absurd. It is not difficult to prove synonymous. I've seen it many times, as I repeatedly with a few crates Consumer SonyDSR PD 170 (;'ve used Pro version of the VX 2100).
Da gibts synonymous Images - eg of VAD:
VX 2000 SD 300 XR 520 Comparison can be synonymous to see the XR 520 has no more lighter, but that Lowlightbild sharper than the SD 300 (; as of proboscis (; FXsupport)) and confirmed the video magazines.
I hope you do not miss the non-existent manual level control and the manual does not exist shutter XR 520th
One question I had then but still, why look for interested buyers of a camera, which actually stands in their demands.
A VX 2000 or 2100 is now today a FX 1000 and no XR 520 - is due to the rigor?
I did this a fun (; actually rather less funny) story in the shop. A client was in possession of a Nikon F 801 (; upscale consumer SLR) and was looking for a digicam that they should replace a little ". He bought a 50 ¬ Billigcam without autofocus and optical zoom of Günstiganbieter.
Of course he was dissatisfied and came back after a holiday.
For me it is inexplicable how you can be of the opinion that a 50 ¬ digicam party might replace the 801 .....
VG
January
Antwort von Yerri:
So one SD 300, a similar Lowlightqualität like the VX 2000 is supposed to have - is absurd. It is not difficult to prove synonymous. Something like that can only synonymous comix (k), he say .* g * And then when I read:
Nonsense. SD-300 and HDR-XR520VE seen? The beat, the XHA1 and probably even the VX2100 in terms lowlight. Sorry. I wonder who would the nonsense dished out here.
Antwort von Raphael80:
I hope you do not miss the non-existent manual level control and the manual does not exist shutter XR 520th
One question I had then but still, why look for interested buyers of a camera, which actually stands in their demands.
A VX 2000 or 2100 is now today a FX 1000 and no XR 520 - is due to the rigor?
Hello Jan,
the missing manual level control is already a small smear, I noticed a concert s.Wochenende during the shoot, synonymous with the setting "low level" spoke at the beginning of a song on the limiter (; synonymous or what ever is behind it), but I later no pumping and noted synonymous not oversteer. The small level of intrusion can be so behind wegbügeln again ".
Well why not VX2xxx? Too large, no HD. FX1000 is just too expensive with about 3000Euro synonymous and too large (; see previous posts of) me. I've already doubled my budget of 500-600 euro in the end. So it rigor somewhere boundaries are synonymous. ;-)
The case with the sensor was confirmed by the way, to nem tripod in a less Pegelintensiven corner of the room there were no problems, no problems at the concert synonymous with HDD dropouts (; case with sensor!). I had the camcorder first simply placed in a bookcase, where there was probably too many vibrations.
When I look at the links with the test images is already clear who s.hat LowLight in the pants ... :-)
Greeting!
Raphael
Antwort von Jogi:
...
When I look at the links with the test images is already clear who s.hat LowLight in the pants ... :-)
Greeting!
Raphael Raphael
Congratulations to Cam. I think that you have made a good choice.
Yes, the VX2100 is actually still the queen of the night, and I think that it is synonymous to stay a little longer. The quality of housing (; aluminum molding), and the buttons and switches were still very high quality. I had once worked very pleased with this camcorder. In terms LowLight currently comes close at HD cams only SonyEX1 the VX2100 very much.
