Frage von MaverikMS2001:
Hello,
I have now I finally get a new camcorder growth but I stand before some problems and maybe you can me with your experiences to help you.
The basic question should be a classic or a DV recorder in HD. I have looked at the Media Markt SonyHDR-SR12E "borrowed" was the most expensive nunmal what the store had since. Picture was top and the idea of the imagery is no longer the need to restore 1zu1 I was not too bad. Now the shock after the recordings, there was only one possibility to watch the videos in Premiere CS3 to edit. A software Sonylegt the videos in mpeg convert the quality, however, is modest. Next, I converted the videos with Procoder 3, the saw even better but can not synonymous meaning and purpose of the thing. My last attempt was the installation of the MainConcept decoder for CS3 so I could directly edit AVCHD files yet so real joy came not at times and I say I have no slow Calculator:
2x XEON 5460 Quad
16 GB RAM
2 TB SAS disks
Quadro FX 5600
The question now is what I decide. I had priced a mark of 2000 - 2500 EUR set. So as I see it, this whole HD quatsch still does not make sense if I am now but a DV camcorder to buy classic annoyed me in half a year when CS4 AVHCD supports and the whole may still synonymous works.
What would you recommend me DV or HD? And what else should I do?
I thank you now for your support.
Antwort von Zizi:
Why should not profitable HD?
Purchase you a sony FX7 which fits into your new frame!
Everything else can forget my opinion .. is either more expensive or much cheaper!
For what you need 16GB Ram?
It would have been useless 8gb exaggerated ...
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Purchase ne Canon XH A 1 ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Zizi:
Synonymous Wollt I say .. but for 2500 ¬ will be difficult ... synonymous'm in search of one!
Antwort von Camcharger01:
Synonymous Wollt I say .. but for 2500 ¬ will be difficult ... synonymous'm in search of one! I'll give you a tip!
Flieg just for 400 ¬ in the U.S. and then you buy one for 2000 ¬
Greeting
Antwort von Markus73:
I'll give you a tip!
Flieg just for 400 ¬ in the U.S. and then you buy one for 2000 ¬ ... and if you have a little bit here in the forum is looking for, then you will find very quickly synonymous out why the tip is a bad ;-)
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Meggs:
Flieg just for 400 ¬ in the U.S. and then you buy one for 2000 ¬
Greeting Has already been frequently discussed. First, in Germany you have no guarantee of U.S. goods, and secondly Inch eat and import VAT to the cost advantage again.
Antwort von partylogger:
But there are a few synonymous British shops, the PAL models offer. As a general rule, the guarantee of these devices synonymous in D, because the Sony devices, always with the addition of the E act. Inch and import VAT is not payable GB.
Antwort von Zizi:
Wrong! If you are at the airport / Inch Camera without the original packaging to the baggage lay the probability very low that the device under the wing take ..
At least the staff is too lazy or too beshcäftigt each durchzuchecken Camera! suspicious host only when multiple devices!
With one, there should be no problems!
If they do you need to tax, duty + pay a fine because you make more then loss as if you buy suburb! by the serial number can be traced back to exactly where the camera has been purchased!
Antwort von Markus73:
Wrong! If you are at the airport / Inch Camera without the original packaging to the baggage lay the probability very low that the device under the wing take .. If I only with the help of an offense come to a saving, but actually it should be clear which of these "tips" is to hold. That there is perhaps still occasionally works, it changes absolutely nothing.
I will pay in the supermarket so synonymous for my things, although I perhaps synonymous successfully could steal ...
Regards,
Markus
Antwort von Zizi:
Well .. I do not want to know how many of you black coal in the year schöfeln or too fast with the car or on the red traffic light, etc. etc. etc. The fact that it may occasionally still works, it changes absolutely nothing.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
synonymous ... but a few British shops, the PAL models offer ... Britain has anyway the PAL standard, since it is obviously not a problem, there PAL devices to be able to buy. So far I have no reputable shop but found the prices to compete with the German might. Hast thou as a good stock tip?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Tiger Direct XH A1 Just as "I buy in the U.S. and save" Link thought
ma still add about 30% plus shipping about $ 30 and you can see ..... because it's not worth it really.
Ok Tiger Direct is now synonymous not just a miser secret tip times but to compare prices ok.
..................
With the pound worth Course there is not an XH A1 on the island to buy.
If the money is not enough just 2000 euros numbers and the remainder in installments of six months duration. Good is.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Wrong! ... If they do you need to tax, duty + pay a fine ... You confuse this with, for example, imports from the USA! It is but a purchase for private use in the UK, so EU domestic. This means that customs fees are not in anyway (you pass through with the goods so no EU external border). To pay only the sales tax in the land acquisition in the UK to my knowledge currently 17.5%. Detailed evidence is based on www.zoll.de.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von partylogger:
synonymous ... but a few British shops, the PAL models offer ...
Britain has anyway the PAL standard, since it is obviously not a problem, there PAL devices to be able to buy. So far I have no reputable shop but found the prices to compete with the German might. Hast thou as a good stock tip?
Gruß Bernd E. Yes, I think so:
http://bentonvillemall.co.uk/acatalog/Sony_FX7E.html
In euros, the camera will cost about 1800 Euro. Shipping costs again to D 49.99 GBP. The cheapest offer in D is around 2400 EURO. So you can order the 500 - 600 Euro sparen. The provider is already longer and he is synonymous active on ebay and has a good profile. The XH-A1 in the UK is in fact not so drastically from the price difference.
PS: I even found a shop, also from the UK to Europe provides:
http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=373
Since you can even get the prices in euros can show. There, now I have ordered because it synonymous with Google Checkout can use. I am reporting, if the cam is there.
Antwort von MaverikMS2001:
Why should not profitable HD?
Purchase you a sony FX7 which fits into your new frame!
Everything else can forget my opinion .. is either more expensive or much cheaper!
For what you need 16GB Ram?
It would have been useless 8gb exaggerated ... I do not just video editing but a lot of work with CS3 suite, Maya, etc on Windows XP 64 bit to make the 16 GB already significantly noticeable synonymous can be subjective, which makes it the only way I come before.
Antwort von MaverikMS2001:
Now again back to the camcorder. The XH A 1 refers to the so-called HDVM Cassette on means I have to capture the raw 1zu1 or? Is there a camcorder synonymous of the entire hard drive on captures or is there only in the home area? The presentation of the material is not to capture, I would have been very kompfortabel.
Incidentally, I really need in the coming weeks in the U.S., I decided if I did, I will report how it came to me when I was given :-) Inch
mfg
Mav2001
Antwort von Zizi:
Well all I'm synonymous .. 8 GB, but should never be given over 80% are busy .. many programs can I garned have opened the gschweige simultaneously .. before my head starts to smoke s.zu than the Rams! But at the Ram prices ists anyway wurst!
There are external devices you have with your camcorder tape to a disk in AVI, etc. Save it!
Antwort von tommyb:
If you order tapeless workflow, then:
1. Camcorder with memory card (eg, Panasonic HVX-200 or Sony EX1)
2. Suburb of directly via firewire with the camera capturing a notebook
3. Fire doors to organize (see Zizi)
Antwort von Johannes:
Synonymous Wollt I say .. but for 2500 ¬ will be difficult ... synonymous'm in search of one!
I'll give you a tip!
Flieg just for 400 ¬ in the U.S. and then you buy one for 2000 ¬
Greeting In England there is a shop / online shop sells you the new for 2500 ok. Then there is shipping bissel up. Tax and inches you need are not synonymous because it is so in Europe. If I were him I'll find the link to the said post shop. I personally rate of from Canon.
I have always problems with their camcorders. Especially in the Semi area. Starting the sharpness of the manual focus troz constantly changed through the auto pumps, known to the drive problem.
Antwort von Zizi:
So that I have never heard of the Canon as shit to be ..?
But you would still very attached to the dealer here know!
I'm currently looking for an A1! lowest is ;-)!
Antwort von Johannes:
Sorry but I find the link no longer works. I will tomorrow ask the times when it has (on his xh s.gekauft)
Again to my criticism of the Canon to three words: "Remove the cassette"
There are threads here which are about 5 pages. In which only people that have the same problem. Whether this is synonymous with the xh s.gibt can I say bad, it would surprise me.
Antwort von dvcut:
The Tiefstpreise belong after termination of the Cash Back Action XHA1 unfortunately in the past. Time of the popular Internet fraud attempts by prepayment apart. Perhaps a sign synonymous for a new model. In the past, the news besides the NAB synonymous at Photokina and IBC presented, but perhaps synonymous Manufacturer select a different date. With so many press releases feel some operators synonymous in the quiet months of Oct. and Nov. better placed.
Antwort von partylogger:
..... So far I have no reputable shop but found the prices to compete with the German might. Have you given a good tip on stock ?....
Yes, I think so:
http://bentonvillemall.co.uk/acatalog/Sony_FX7E.html
In euros, the camera will cost about 1800 Euro. Shipping costs again to D 49.99 GBP. The cheapest offer in D is around 2400 EURO. So you can order the 500 - 600 Euro sparen. The provider is already longer and he is synonymous active on ebay and has a good profile. The XH-A1 in the UK is in fact not so drastically from the price difference.
PS: I even found a shop, also from the UK to Europe provides:
http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=373
Since you can even get the prices in euros can show. There, now I have ordered because it synonymous with Google Checkout can use. I am reporting, if the cam is there. Thus, Camera is this week via DHL International Express arrived. Everything perfect. price was now converted to 1850 euros including shipping. Inch and import VAT are excluded, since within the EU. The only shortcomings:
English Manual => Sony Can you imagine the German runterladen
English power => it fits synonymous with German power cord connector for the power supply, for example of my Sony DSC-W55 digital camera.
So it's worth it to buy in the UK. I have around 450 euros compared with the cheapest price in D saved. Since I still have air for some accessories.
Antwort von Zizi:
So the FX7 PAL to under 1900 ¬ with full warranty in Germany?
I want synonymous .. what exactly must I do to me synonymous possible? link ..
Antwort von dvcut:
Prices are under 2.000 EUR in my opinion, only possible if the supply chain in a VAT fraud occurs. But what would interest me much. If an EU warranty card? Without dt. bill and warranty card without a warranty repair is probably a bit difficult. Perhaps it is simply synonymous to Grauware not for the EU.
Antwort von Johannes:
An alternative would be a mass order.
Some clubs offer video s.das is seen as synonymous is not a member of one of the ordered cameras can acquire. Some time ago I VCM market again find such a display. So busy looking for!
Antwort von partylogger:
Prices are under 2.000 EUR in my opinion, only possible if the supply chain in a VAT fraud occurs. But what would interest me much. If an EU warranty card? Without dt. bill and warranty card without a warranty repair is probably a bit difficult. Perhaps it is simply synonymous to Grauware not for the EU. It is a FX7E, not FX7, after the EU has been imported. Stop only with the English bill. Warranty is valid in EU and not only in D. If so synonymous wurscht, None is forced me to do after this.
Antwort von dvcut:
Please look at the terms and conditions carefully. These are net prices and goods from Hong Kong, with 12 months warranty. I will immediately receive a message at times inches make. The aim is to take care of the matter.
http://www.simplyelectronics.net/terms.php
Bentonville Mall is all but a well-known manufacturer with 12 months warranty. However, more than 2,000 pounds of 1629 EUR. The exchange rate was 1.2382 from 5.9.2008. Whether the synonymous really clean product can be delivered quickly in order with a Tax ID number is.
FX7 (E) stands for PAL. There are synonymous larger shop in the U.S. and Australia to offer FX7E. Here we must not only be caught by the Inch.
http://bentonvillemall.co.uk/acatalog/info.html
Antwort von Starter:
The question now is what I decide. I had priced a mark of 2000 - 2500 EUR set. So as I see it, this whole HD quatsch still does not make sense if I am now but a DV camcorder to buy classic annoyed me in half a year when CS4 AVHCD supports and the whole may still synonymous works.
What would you recommend me DV or HD? And what else should I do?
Hi,
In any case, choose HD.
For AVCHD, I can not warm up and the current message that Sony re-"big" HDV camcorder brings out shows but I believe that AVCHD has not really matured and many professionals use tape ...
http://www.videoaktiv.de/200805311704/News/Praxis/Sony- HDV HD Video for concert-Ken-Hensley.html
Gruss
Starter
Antwort von domain:
That was of course a Sony-fist blow to the WoWu Man of La Mancha. I was synonymous for thought brought
Antwort von dvcut:
In 5 years there are no more tapes and discs!
Antwort von wolfgang:
Of course you can with a FX1 a concert film - but professional HDV formats are not yet AVCHD. At the rear is missing HDV tape backup, it can be droped frames come - especially for a complete concert rather deadly. For an application so you should probably at least to a Firestone store gates go - or the sound will probably be recorded in any extra. But nothing against the FX1, I guess I still!
Nevertheless, there is today hardly a good reason, 2000 - 2500 euros to want, and not to go to HD. Both HDV AVCHD synonymous as are mature, although currently the HDV camcorder camcorder with better features than are available in the AVCHD devices (hitherto primarily the consumer market appeal).
Antwort von domain:
In 5 years there are no more tapes and discs! This should not vote. Even today, there are discs and tapes in the case of the third world.
And even in our highly technological world agrees that Ausage not.
However, me personally, it is no preference, I think just s.die mega flops Electronikbranche of the last 20 years and I could tell you the point for point with the billions of losses ausgoogeln
Antwort von B.DeKid:
In 5 years there are no more tapes and discs! There is still synonymous - 8mm, MCs, LPs, DAT; negative KB films; HI 8, VHS, chalk and slate boards ..... So I see no reason why it is not synonymous or Mini DV tapes, there should be.
From the development perspective but herraus, I can give you right. Go synonymous personally I believe the Flash-based media will populate the market.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Zizi:
certainly be in 5 years no longer Cams Made with tape!
1. Tape drives are much too expensive for the camcorder production
2. demand is too low
3. Drive noise
but at the moment is for me the tape of the simpler and better way for well-cut video .. AVCHD is still the same as it müll 2 years ago with my first Pana SD1 was .. only the Shcärfe was improved in some models.
If these times hyrde is overcome then I am for this medium Total open but what is possible now so that my money is just not worth it!
But Flash is synonymous in 20-30 years will disappear .. da wirds dan oled display such cams give the infinite volume of data, or something similar ..
tape was certainly one of the longest and best recording medium as it ever was!
Even in the movies since the invention worked with analog tape ....
and will have many more years no competitor can find!
Antwort von Starter:
That was of course a Sony-fist blow to the WoWu Man of La Mancha. I was synonymous for thought brought I understand now ... not who is the WoWu-man?
What I really wanted to say so, you should be proven not to speak badly.
I do not understand that the very small AVCHD cameras which are less liquid synonymous people buy it and be highly praised term costs for storage medium or high demand s.Systemleistung simply ignored. Probably synonymous applies here: "main business done"!
Gruss
Starter
Antwort von Zizi:
Just as it is .. also we must not forget that such a utopian Cam low cost and requires little cheaper but also as consumer devices then!
The salary of the manager is s.Wichtigsten the client can / should only buy what the industry produces!
Genau so isses synonymous in the Television segment .. Why are not more developed plasma and disappear from the market .. Gewinnspane unlikely because the s.LCD rankommt!
a 1000 ¬ plasma costs the Manufacturer ca.400 ¬
a 1000 ¬ LCD not even 150 ¬
then converted a 1000 ¬ devoured full screen tube 600 ¬.
Just as with the camcorder siehts probably!
The quality is better but of course, synonymous to synonymous pockets of the rich .. whether it was better you could always discuss but it's capitalism. Simple good products disappear from the market, unfortunately halt .. What with the Manufacturer of this profiteering is evident in rauskommt AVCHD and its accompanying plastic chips camcorders cheap ..
Antwort von dvcut:
@ logger party - I would be trying the imprint on the bill and the tax number of Bentonville interested. On the website and synonymous with Ebay, I can not find anything. The flow of goods and the goods of origin are very interesting.
Antwort von Meggs:
I understand now ... not who is the WoWu-man?
.....
I do not understand that the very small AVCHD cameras which are less liquid synonymous people buy it and be highly praised term costs for storage medium or high demand s.Systemleistung simply ignored. Probably synonymous applies here: "main business done"!
WoWu is a user who better than the AVCHD codec always and tirelessly defended. He is actually synonymous not wrong: MPEG2 AVCHD is superior. At the same ways; the point data a better picture out. Unfortunately, the AVCHD storage but mainly for beginners and middle-class camcorders used. In the case where there is not better picture quality, but more storage capacity on expensive medium, and the advertising argument "FullHD" the small camcorder with the average probably more theoretical optics Thanks AVCHD recording requirements. Therefore, the data rates rel. low, the theoretically better picture qualities of AVCHD not come to bear.
