Newsmeldung von slashCAM:Test: Sharp Case - Canon HF10 and HF100 of rudi - 17 Apr 2008 10:24:00 > With the announcement of the HF10 (0) Canon screwed the expectations of many users again a bit upwards. Incorporates the new AVCHD series but many of the manual intervention options HV20/30 possibly with even more sharpness by FullHD recording. Time for a reality check.
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Antwort von Bruno Peter:
The ISO test image impressed me about the picture of the circular lines, almost no moire. Very good!
Antwort von LorPGDL:
when the hf 100 for less than 800, there it is purchased: D
Antwort von wilo:
Is not it possible that Canon / Sonywith deliberately reduced manual adjustment options for semi-professional film makers to purchase more expensive models to animate?
Antwort von Bloechi:
Ne silly question time,
It is not possible with the HF100 an external directional microphone to use? I think because s.das small Sennheiser MKE400. For this you need a micro hot shoe, but I see no s.der HF100 Accessory shoe ....
Antwort von buildyo:
... I see no s.der HF100 Accessory shoe .... As here http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/ Canon Vixia-HF10 camcorder review-34711 / Audio - Playback - Connectivity. Htm is seen under a cover and, unfortunately, not standard size so that an adapter will be necessary.
Antwort von buildyo:
Thank you for the test. Can we now say that the AVCHD camcorder in picture quality at least equal with the much-HV20 is (in good lighting)?
Antwort von kodiak07:
Seems an interesting solution for HD cameras, as a hard disk solution for me (for travel) is not in question. Can anyone give tips, such as with the editing ( 'cut') is of AVCHD. I'm really unsure if I was on the Canon HV30 (HDV) or to one of the two models presented here will change?
Thank you!
Antwort von wolfgang:
The average of 1920s AVCHD requires considerable computing power - 4-core devices, hochgetaktet, and then the cut just so, if one wants to cut native material.
Antwort von Gundolf:
Above all, you need the right editing software: What use is the fastest calculator, for example, if multiple processors are not (reasonably) be supported ...
Just as it looks, is Pinncale Pros Studio 11 in the moment the best solution for the cutting of AVCHD.
Antwort von kodiak07:
So, would you rather I recommend the HV30, so I continue to save on tape? That I should have fewer problems with cutting.
And s.Ende the whole tape is played back on, so I am using the movie camera on the HD television can view it. So I imagine this.
Thanks for your help!
Antwort von wolfgang:
In the field of entrants Tools Pinnacle Studio 11 is a good solution for the native AVCHD editing, however, synonymous Vegas Movie Studio 8 is similarly good. In the area of tools can gehobeneren Vegas 8 Pro native AVCHD editing very well. The problem is normally the high Decodieraufwand for the required real-time preview in editing, this all comes only s.einem Quad halfway good, with 2-core processors, you can still occasionally helping with reduced resolution, but my ideal ists not.
Then it is but with the tools, the native editing halfway can already synonymous. The other tools to convert intermediates or other codecs - here are the Canopus products to identify the Canopus HQ codec really synonymous for 1920 AVCHD editing is good. Then there are still the Cineform products, but relatively expensive - for full-HD cost of these products but the 1000 U.S. $.
Another innovation will be a converter of VASST announced, which will convert to mpeg2 - AVCUpshift. If there is not much known about, but apparently synonymous expected price attractive. With this tool, you can then the material is cut in all NLEs that are already in mpeg2 are quite good, but stop at AVCHD be even weaker. The critical question is what is the conversion mpeg2 to AVC s.Qualität loses, we will only see.
Antwort von kodiak07:
I have to ask again: Is the image quality ( "what I s.Ende on a HD television I watch") visibly different, whether I am now a HDV solution (with tape) or a 1920-Resolutionmit a camera, the works with AVCHD?
If the various contributions, I have understood correctly, I will probably move on HVD and the (for me) best band technique, because HDV is also a TopBild delivers simply better and may be edited.
Again Thank you for the one or the other great feedback information platform!
Antwort von kodiak07:
Addendum to my post of 27.04. I thought the Canon HV30, as I suspected of my switch to HDV wrote.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Kodiak07
And s.Ende the whole tape is played back on, so I am using the movie camera on the HD television can view it. So I imagine this. I would first make sure that you are synonymous with the Camera reopen it. Normally, with the European models do not.
That brings us to BluRay and thus MPEG4, AVC so again.
Furthermore, the differences with HDV already clearly visible. (Compared at identical data rates, not apples with pears to compare.)
Hence my recommendation for many reasons, possibly prefer something slower (or preview reduced) processing in Purchase to take, but a top quality product.
In addition to a format so that future support will ensure clearer than the "obsolete" MPEG2.
And whether you define your content now available on tape store, or on disc, which should not be synonymous ultimately make the difference, especially tape over the years, especially in the high frequency range is always poor and your videos in a few years then do not look like more as you once they've done originally.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
@ Kodiak07 And s.Ende the whole tape is played back on ...
... I would first make sure that you are synonymous with the Camera reopen it. Normally, with the European models do not ... What source do you with this statement? We talk of HDV camcorders, and because at least I know of no single Sonyand Canon, which could not: Each of these HDV camcorder has both both Manufacturer education as synonymous input via Firewire. What is the European model of your view, can not?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Lautsprecher:
I'm straight, the HF100 to buy. The movies and cut, I look first s.Calculator. Currently I have no HDTV. Is it still possible to the camera directly s.einen old PAL-television adapter to watch the videos or must ALWAYS only a PAL version of the film are created?
Antwort von wolfgang:
That brings us to BluRay and thus MPEG4, AVC so again.
Wolfgang, Blu Ray can be synonymous with MPEG 2 authors - and it's not bad. Definitely goes with HDV2, mpeg2-HD in 1920x1080, goes into 24p in 50i - and interestingly on some players synonymous with 1080 25p.
And some players even play the DVD of which may be reduced with data - as a transitional solution.
Antwort von WoWu:
Which brings us back to the limited quality would be .... MPEG2 to MPEG4 in relation in relation to the data, storage capacity, ie length of the DVD (or BluRay), etc.
Comparison times but because the data rates to each other .... Sure, I can MPEG 2 on all sorts of carriers to write ... Only question is how much sense this makes. But since we went back to the old debate.
Antwort von Daigoro:
possibly prefer something slower (or preview reduced) processing in Purchase to take, but a top quality product. "somewhat slower" is already extremely euphemistically.
Before you plunge into misfortune, one should in any case a few times to download the original files (eg when fxsupport) and to sample editing.
Antwort von MacPro:
Is not that the crux of the matter?
What I use for practice, a performance comparison with the same data rate, if the AVCHD models, the data rate of HDV can not deliver?
Furthermore, the differences with HDV already clearly visible. (Compared at identical data rates, not apples with pears to compare.)
Antwort von WoWu:
You are wrong, AVC is up over 900 Mbit / s defined in the bottom, everything is possible. AVCHD Even in our own definition of Sonyand Panasonic provides 24 Mbit / s before.
And these 24 Mbps times compared with the 25 Mbit / s of HDV2.
There are already comparisons of BluRay association, saying that AVC is already at 16 Mbit quality of MPEG2 at 24 Mbps achieved.
Clearly this is the crux of the matter, because I give you right.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Daigoro
... or times but the study by the University of Rostock to consider this issue ....
Antwort von Daigoro:
@ Daigoro
... or times but the study by the University of Rostock to consider this issue .... Link please. The many published studies and the "mood Rostocker to residential tenant" is not meant to be: D
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bernd E.
... look at the top of the header, what it is ... Canon HF10 HF 100th If the FireWire?
Antwort von wolfgang:
Which brings us back to the limited quality would be .... MPEG2 to MPEG4 in relation in relation to the data, storage capacity, ie length of the DVD (or BluRay), etc.
Comparison times but because the data rates to each other .... Sure, I can MPEG 2 on all sorts of carriers to write ... Only question is how much sense this makes. But since we went back to the old debate. So we had this discussion yet. Only today someone posted in the video meeting, that the maximum data rate of Blu Ray discs 36 Mbit / s, which is 3.3 times the equivalent of a DVD. It is no preference which codec is used. And with the data rate is mpeg2, AVC or VC1 perfectly synonymous high quality possible. Also, because the capacity of Blu Ray discs.
Antwort von MacPro:
MPEG2 is synonymous far over 50Mbit defined. The crucial question is, and nothing next I stated in my statement: What I allow maximum data rate currently available here AVCHD cams, as an alternative to the HDV device in question?
And there is, according to my knowledge, at 17Mbit conclusions. High.
That AVC at the same data rate is superior, which is probably yes, I think nobody want to deny.
You are wrong, AVC is up over 900 Mbit / s defined in the bottom, everything is possible. AVCHD Even in our own definition of Sonyand Panasonic provides 24 Mbit / s before.
And these 24 Mbps times compared with the 25 Mbit / s of HDV2.
There are already comparisons of BluRay association, saying that AVC is already at 16 Mbit quality of MPEG2 at 24 Mbps achieved.
Clearly this is the crux of the matter, because I give you right.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Addendum: my point was actually more of that I have both Blu Ray discs with mpeg2 as synonymous AVC can create. And though many synonymous with buying discs VC1 or AVC are - basically synonymous mpeg2 content goes, it must not only be VC1 or AVC.
Antwort von Lautsprecher:
In another forum I read that the AVCHD movies with current hardware (eg dual core processors, 4GB RAM) is far less to cut unnecessary as the "old" DV movies. Is this really so?
Antwort von WoWu:
Sure, you can basically synonymous everything on the discs, but demand is flat, the quality of what you data and thus receive what Filesize.
And that since the AVC nose length to the front, is, I do not deny.
@ Marco
I think that the AVCHD companies themselves in their flags written specification of 24 Mbit / s target. I can not imagine that they are at 17 Mbit / s to stop.
It's just always on the tools that they still want to use and therefore I see even when HVCHD (not just at AVC) is still a significant improvement in quality space. (Not so with HDV, it is with its 25 Mbit / s exhausted.
Of course, MPEG2 synonymous more than these 25 Mbit / s, but then we no longer talk of HDV. That's why I try so synonymous slightly between AVC and AVCHD confusion.
When we talk about the area above of 25 Mbit / s talk beschrnkt reflect the discussion on the einsetbaren Toos, either MPEG2 or MPEG4 to image quality available, ..... synonymous, but because I think it's not a real question, if you look at the Tools of MPEG4 viewing times. But as synonymous qualities are always in direct dependence of the data .... With much more effort will be MPEG2 up to a certain point s.die quality up. But always with the corresponding overhead. And we have HDTV SCON in the 90s had .... why is there nothing more? Wei of the overhead was too high.
Antwort von WoWu:
Speakers @
I think DV is always easier to cut than HDTV signals, no preference now whether HDV or AVC
Antwort von wolfgang:
In another forum I read that the AVCHD movies with current hardware (eg dual core processors, 4GB RAM) is far less to cut unnecessary as the "old" DV movies. Is this really so? Not as smooth as DV cut is a smooth understatement - we are now so far that I HDV editing is quite unnecessary, in today's AVCHD unfortunately we are miles away.
Look at these times current tests here:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=6276
Antwort von Daigoro:
Not as smooth as DV cut is a smooth understatement - we are now so far that I HDV editing is quite unnecessary, in today's AVCHD unfortunately we are miles away.
Look at these times current tests here:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=6276 That said I with 'slightly slower' is already extremely euphemistically. "
I've "only" 2.4 GHz C2D NEN (which is already better than the 'average' calculator - and the very modern notebooks grade) and me for 6-8 years back felt (DV Avi cut auf'm <2 Ghz PIII ).
Antwort von comix:
Thank you for the test. Can we now say that the AVCHD camcorder in picture quality at least equal with the much-HV20 is (in good lighting)? There are as many words, no difference in quality between 20 and 30th
The HF100 does not come as naturally ran. If yes synonymous with beautiful.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
@ Bernd E. ... look at the top of the header, what it is ... Canon HF10 HF 100th If the FireWire? No, the two are not synonymous HDV camcorder with tape recording. Even in this thread's not in every post about what s.Anfang times the topic was ;-) So here again for reading the contributions that led me to my question have animated:
... would you rather I recommend the HV30, so I continue to save on tape? That I should have fewer problems with cutting. And s.Ende the whole tape is played back on ... ... ... will probably move on HVD and the (for me) best band technology to stay ... ... said the Canon HV30, as I suspected of my switch to HDV wrote ... @ Kodiak07 And s.Ende the whole tape is played back on, so I am using the movie camera on the HD television can view it. So I imagine this.
I would first make sure that you are synonymous with the Camera reopen it. Normally, with the European models do not ... kodiak07 can hardly have intended that is not existing in a tape HF10 (0) to save, but he spoke of synonymous in the text you quoted explicitly of the HV30 as an HDV camcorder. And the times are now even in Europe, all the digital input. For normalauflösenden MiniDV camcorders agrees with your notice of course.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bernd,
carefully ... of tape to play ... I've written synonymous not only recommended, but first make sure that the chosen of Him Camera synonymous resume can ...
No more and no less. With a closer reading would you must not miss.
Otherwise, repeat the discussion on the HDV infinite times ... and I hear again and again only unsubstantiellen same arguments as so often before ...
It is synonymous nothing objection that some still HDV in future aside until use.
Finally, there is still synonymous enough users for VHS ... and people are highly satisfied with synonymous.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bern
I hab'da again in the HV30 nachgeschaut ... somehow I think but no FireWire Schnittelle ... Canon forget to write, or hab 'because what I see ..?
http://www.canon.de/For_Home/Product_Finder/Camcorders/High_Definition_HD/HV30/index.asp?specs=1
So how come you are still equal to the recording in the camera? Via USB or HDMI?
Antwort von Daigoro:
Otherwise, repeat the discussion on the HDV infinite times ... and I hear again and again only unsubstantiellen same arguments as so often before ...
Well, then this is probably the sad fact. One year after the last debate and the support is still unsatisfactory.
The cameras can be so great as they like, the technical advantages undeniable - what uses it all when the end user does not "DAU secure" solutions, to him the idea to remove the workflow?
Well, we are in a next - the Blu Ray disc has at least times the format war with HD-DVD won - the prices there's not much use. Maybe then the rest takes some time after.
Incidentally, I am still on the link.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Hmm .. edit log despite broken?
DV Yes (On / Off) "- this is not the popular FireWire port?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... of play on tape ... synonymous nothing I've written ... Gradually rabulistisch's ... Then it was probably no point to discuss next. Do we - to the confusion for inexperienced prevent filmers here - just found that HDV cameras have Firewire inputs. It remains unaffected you yes, but nothing of HDV to keep ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... hab'da again in the HV30 nachgeschaut ... somehow I think but no FireWire Schnittelle ... So how come you are still equal to the recording in the camera? Via USB or HDMI? USB is in the HV30 only full-speed, so slow, and HDMI to my knowledge only one output, thus remains the only solution that Daigoro has recognized:
... "Yes DV (On / Off)" - this is not the popular FireWire port ... Just as it is: DV = Firewire = iLink = IEEE1394. The name of the HDV cameras do not differ in SD of the area.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
Guess .......
... DV now whether the description of an IEEE1394 interface is, dare I even synonymous to doubt if otherwise always have the correct names to be used ...
I am not even close, that it can, unfortunately, I have not even on such speculation and I am reluctant one.
Maybe yes JAN knows something about accurate.
@ Daigoro
Have you been researching itself, which takes you from None.
Mir is the only paper in printed form.
Antwort von WoWu:
And then of course I am still synonymous burning would be interested in what the camera then the "vermuksten" 25p records .... they cut the pictures again?
Antwort von Jan:
Most companies are not quite sure and write in their data sheets: A & DV and HDV output is not mentioned - eg Canon HV 30th But how should the customer or their HD movies via Firewire can play on - since the HV 30 has Firewire yes?
The new XL H 1 A & S is because in Dtenblättern: HDV out / in.
Sony power because no funny looking but writes even when small HDV Model (HC 9) HDV in & out.
It's like it says Bernd, all HDV cameras have DV + HDV in & out (for HDV & DV in - of course, should the HDV or DV signal and not a MPEG 4 AVC.
Most HDV cameras have yet to component out and HDMI out, USB Full Speed only (SonyHC 7.9 and Canon HV 20 & 30), some still in AV (HV 20 and HV 30).
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
Then relative prices of course very much if you s.die 20% tax ig thinks the recorder is charged ...
Thank you, Jan was very helpful.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Otherwise, repeat the discussion on the HDV infinite times ... and I hear again and again only unsubstantiellen same arguments as so often before ...
That I do not see it. True, although that remains the development of a severe Machinability of AVCHD is compared to mpeg2 or HDV.
But the recent discussion is characterized by that AVC devices in the form of SR11/12 or synonymous HF10/100 for the first begin HDV equipment in the Quality catch or even to outdo. DAS is a new element, which is not entirely surprising coming, but the s.Schnitt interested in an even sharper dilemma brings.
The second new element is the question of the format in which we cut HD material on Blu-Ray will be preserved. Here are also the relatively new debate that m2t conversion -> AVC encoders today with the same Qualitätsdrop a fairly strong showing. As for the opinion of many has strengthened that AVC is better but not as a format for the Blu Ray authoring should apply, at least not if some of HDV comes. It is unclear at present but the question of how the thing looks like when you have already come of AVC - encoded here is synonymous better BDMV based on mpeg2-HD, or better yet BDMV based on AVC. Here are missing a lot of my practice tests, which mixes things synonymous nature.
So the "old" HDV versus AVCHD Discussion is for me quite clearly decided - AVCHD with a higher potential for better image quality, but so far with more equipment to the professional does not like, and with the whole cutting issues, and with an apparently low inclination of the industry, the format fully auszureizen. And mpeg2 with a Postionierung prosumer or lower in the professional segment, with better cutting properties, now synonymous with other recording medium than the tape (EX1), but with an older codec, and unchanged in Prosumerbereich halt with tape and firewire.
So we have a total of at least 3 discussion fronts:
- The HDV versus AVCHD format front, which seems relatively eaten (except for the question of whether AVC-I in the lower price segments urges or not)
- Authoring the front
- Segmentation front, how the industry is positioned their devices.
Antwort von motiongroup:
A nice hello in the first round of funny.
I find it odd that somehow always the same principle discussions arise ..
Mpeg2 is the pioneer of AVC and there are annual in between.
For both techniques, the specs in its definition never be exhausted and they are synonymous and although never on the ground because this happens before the next generation is grown.
But what to watch (was) that the hardware requirements to certain specialty DSP designs especially in the finishing far has not mitgehalten.
The NAB is over and it's not really THE SOLUTION for further processing have been presented, although some people here with the "YOU WILL SEE AND KNOW YOU SURPRISE" preaching kind already in the previous year, the turning point in the intersection with AVC material has prophesied.
NIX NIX and even if one of the prestigious manufacturers synonymous to the ordinary user to operate it looks ... NADA nothing of GV, Matrox nothing of ... NIX DSP for AVC.
AVC is better, no matter who itches just as home users? None of the course material with SD broadcasting via cable and satellite on a FullHD screen satisfied.
For the home user it should be editable Mpeg2HD for his and his movies only archive of me wants to be synonymous AVC material .. whether the Untierschied Omas 90er in Mpeg2 or AVC is recorded and is the grandmother of all the others do not slap stools. The important thing is the grandmother nor the movies to see before they get in the box jumps, I would think ...
Please mfg fresh and now get to work to discuss what is now definitely better ..
Antwort von kkutte:
Hi Folks
synonymous of me a friendly hello
One can discuss forever what goes better now and is resistant etc.
But not for too long debated about, otherwise there is neither one nor the other more.
Whether AVCHD or MPEG, I feel pretty preference.Ich no movies in HD with a Canon HV20.Auf of my Panasonic 106cm plasma, I have an absolutely perfect Picture.Von normal PAL Resolutionzu HD, it is a quantum leap was, of HD on FULL HD it is not so exciting.
And soon?
I'm sure neither one nor the other format, it is obviously something new.
Good luck to you in hopefully the right decision.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Whether AVCHD or MPEG, I feel pretty no preference. Tell the times the users that an AVCHD equipment was purchased, and is horrified to note that they are with their resources can handle! The look is certainly ...
Otherwise, this part of the question just before the personal background and personal desires answerable.
In addition, there are still other fronts where we simply mE still know too little - about the Authoring front. That's certainly no grandmother preference, the video you just want to see - correct. But maybe some users, it is not no preference?
Antwort von kkutte:
[quote = "wolfgang"]
Whether or AVCHD MPEG I think is pretty no preference. Tell the times the users that an AVCHD equipment was purchased, and is horrified to note that they are with their resources can handle!
Hello Wolfgang
Since you have obviously Recht.Doch has the problem is not somehow always with New Sachen.Warum I bought an HD camera? Course, because I bought an HD Television-Why did I buy a new calculator? Of course, because my old Calculator HD edit was not reasonable.
Now I am currently happy with what I have and that will be synonymous with me guarantees for a while so I thought the bleiben.Lediglich fairly with no preference.Und AVCHD can with appropriate hardware so synonymous have reasonable edit.
Fine holiday yet
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well, the problem is s.dem Eck halt, that people sometimes have too little information. There can be no recording format, and is not synonymous device per se, what to do so.
There is no problem when there is sufficient information is given, and then someone deliberately says: ok, from the consideration and I still buy such a device. Problematic, because if expectations are there, which afterwards is difficult or impossible to be fulfilled.
And very often, stop such actions from the corner of the difficult machinability of AVCHD out, often because users have older PCs, and / or cut programs that do not really fit AVCHD.
One can think that these users would halt advance to - may be changing but nothing s.deren frustration. Often synonymous less experienced users, often elderly semester who want to stop filming, and sometimes little deep into the backgrounds are indoors.
I never say that even the material can not handle - but it is holding greater requirement s.die performance of the systems. Synonymous And the editing programs will have to improve this, just Pinnacle Studio displays so for the native AVCHD Berabeitung already a reasonably good performance, Vegas is synonymous halfway - but certainly not on an old P4. And the good old intermediate cut is still synonymous a good choice.
My point above is but another one: the real debate has long front next move, the question of HDV versus AVCHD is, I think largely eaten. Since we can perhaps still philosophize how long MPG2 even in devices such as the EX1/EX3 will hold, and if professional AVCHD camcorder like Panasonic announced devices are druchsetzen. But that discussion is a decaying, makes of the AVC codec quality here is definitely more and more the race.
The current discussion is the longest front more in the area of authoring to find now that the Blu Ray players and burners more and more cheaply be synonymous slowly and where, hopefully höherewertigere tools become available (Encore CS3 quite a while, Ulead Movie 6 + as a distillery good beginner tool also, but some of the announced SonyDVDA5, the Vegas Pro 8 + DVDA 4.5 User in a few months so will get for free). Here we are in a similar era, like the early days of DVD - the tools come slowly, the compatibility of players, burners and discs come, etc.
Antwort von stepa:
Only for those who are interested.
I have the SonySR11 and is known in the AVCHD format.
The problem is that while on my Mac with Final Cut Express4 easily read the data and relatively fast synonymous handle (new MacPro), the disk space but must be very large.
HD Cam of a capacity of 60 GB. These are just 7.5 hours in the best full HD quality.
Transformed but I need (since the data converting FCE) per minute film, just under 1 GB of memory. This means that, for example, only 100 min movie, 100 GB of memory is needed.
Well, so I had me even more, a 1 TB HD retrieve it so there is currently quite favorable.
Elsewhere, however, is (unfortunately only for Windows) is a program for the SonyCam, which allows only one click with the material on DVD to burn. In my case I had the full HD and 2 other Memory Sticks and thus were 18 DVD's needed.
Recorded course in AVCHD format, this DVD can be with any Blu-Ray player (only legal with the PS3) are played.
This is done smooth and the picture quality is the direct camcorder output.
Of course, then everything uncut before. With prices of blank about 50 cents, this is still a humane method, since the data is so synonymous ja erstmal secured.
I would be in this context, synonymous times interested to know how the other editing programs with the AVCHD data how to bypass and then be changed?
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
This means that the files are approximately 7.5 times greater after the transcoding ...
Try it after times of AVCHD to HDV transcode, then get transcoded files smaller, still very well edited.
A program like Pinnacle Studio 11 Pros edit AVCHD files natively, the size of the files corresponds to the size of the files on your AVCHD Camera.
Antwort von Alan Smithee:
@ STEPA:
That you so much space with FCE for editing need is because the material into an intermediate format for capturing it will be converted - the codec is called characteristically synonymous "Apple Intermediate Codec." To my knowledge, it leads to FCE no way synonymous.
Antwort von Ahira:
Hi,
'm just very confused by the test results here
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Scharfe-Sache--- Canon HF10-and-HF100.html
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Sony-HDR-SR11-and-HDR-SR12.html
I have the Canon HF100 of the image for a better camera than the SR11-SonyHDR held.
So now I yesterday the latest edition of video, bought the m. E.doch on the same test is based, such as this website. Here is the assessment of image quality but the Sony Clear Front (85.2 / 100 gegen80, 7 / 100).
Can I ask someone from the confusion raushelfen?
(The same question I have at synonymous
http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=291386 # 291386
set)
Greeting
Ahira
Antwort von stepa:
Honestly, I slowly believe only that which I see.
In the digital video asset, known to "the hand" when it comes to your camcorder is the new Canon was better tested than the Sony. When I look at their best, the Canon 72 points, so as much as the JVC HD7. The Sony comes therefore to 71 points.
It is therefore strange, like a cam, which in most forums is torn (JVC HD7), on the same level as the Canon should be.
I myself had my first JVC synonymous increased then to discover that the image stabilizer only on paper is present and the low light quality under all p.. is.
In addition, the Picture in Sonyinsgesamt harmonious and homogeneous.
Just so I came out of the U.S. holiday back and I must say that this Sonyhat videos in full HD, which are already impressive. Except in the dark, where all the consumer HD Cam's weak, the images are sharp as you would expect. I have a 119cm Full HD LCD Television and to the whole course looks great.
It may be that the Canon in daylight or a track is more acute. Whether you as a user but it really does matter. In America they are synonymous, I was able to test and especially in Lowlight like me personally, the Sonyetwas better.
Moreover, no Canon zoom Micro and what is very important, no viewfinders. The Sonyhat both.
How important a Viewfinder is, I could at the extreme conditions with the sun, seen in Florida. The LCD screen was nothing more to see, because I was glad to have a Viewfinder.
Antwort von Zizi:
Synonymous not understand why the JVC HD7 with active video gets 72 points ...
I find everything at the last of JVC's real time seem totally ... !
One need only look at the new HD6 .. to advertise with the stuff anyway None needed. ZBS. the interpolated frames of the 50 are nothing else than 50i and extrapolated FullHD where HD7 in 1440 and ninth in 1920 under another, etc.
hauptsache in the advertisement sounds great and sells!
The Sony's are super-equipped and have a perfect quality.
Only I can choose between derCanonhf100 on my 119cm FullHD LCD ;-)
still have a little different in details recognize.
Sharpener dieCanonist well as any other cam (even professionals in the field are not many of these small toppen)
Only the equipment is synonymous not just good, so Canon's motto on the outside inside hui ugh ...
I am not a fan of sony because the total on its own rail-drive (memory cards, accessories, etc..) But the new cams are in the total purchase real tip!
I was after a long and pobieren test again but decided to tape .. I've recently bought the HV30 and am actually quite satisfied with what the pictures!
Ne HV30 with plate and Mpeg2 about me for a Draum ;-)!
Unfortunately there are no perfect Cam ..
Antwort von wolfgang:
The scores in these tests were often questionable enough already, I would always only the measured data, the pictures and the description of the devices view.
Antwort von stepa:
... well, the difference can be seen only synonymous but in direct comparison. As I said, normally you can see this is not, unless you want to see it absolutely. My Television is one already there with his 6000th - Euro, upscale s.and therein provides for the absolute angle from Sony.
On holiday I was able to both Cam s.dem there's 50 "Kuro Plasma Pioneer of testing. Surely you can see a difference, which is so marginal that it comforted of" almost "equivalent to speak.
For those that always the last to get Quentchen want the Canon is certainly a consideration. Only quite honest. Most people who use these Consumer Cam's film of the holiday, family, etc. For professionals on the other hand, both the camcorder rather not suitable for which there are other camcorder.
Seen schnürt Sonyim moment simply the better package, synonymous if they prefer to use SDHC cards, as its own Memory Stick. But it must admit that is quite good, unfortunately in a lot of money but too expensive.
Antwort von Zizi:
@ Above me ..
Yes there have been quite .. Canon, I would anyway as Abenteuercam take anywhere you buy. Because they have no stossicherer drive is still synonymous.
For a real filmmaker, it is clear the sony is the better choice. alone when the two small-Cam or the monitor processing bedrachtet because sony is just top!
The lowlight is the Canon HF100 but synonymous better like everyone else under 2000 ¬ Cams?
So the test pictures can be at least suspect ...
What I do not understand the larger cameras with CMOS (HV20-30) offer Lowlight worse than the HF100 with a much smaller?
is it really that much of this is new or is there tricks to work with?
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
... or is there tricks to work with? What do you so you actually do?
Can not understand what you do tricks with?
Naturally is a program with various tasks in an image processor ..., the companies even have patents on ...
Antwort von Jan:
For video assets, the HD 7 therefore a good "end" marks, because it has good facilities. Viewfinder, focus ring and good housing - that there were at their plus points. The screen test was worse than comparable Canon and Sony cameras, but the fidelity was highly praised. The stabilizer of the HD 7 has been synonymous of Video Active criticized - and rightly so!
I've often synonymous the magazines at my home videos (I have not read the test), but if so - they are definitely wrong.
Good Test Reports of Slashcam, VAD, Camcorderinfo.com (a very popular Page) to see the Canon Picture of her is clearly the front - I übrigends synonymous (I have filmed with two cameras).
Does what you want ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von Daigoro:
For video assets, the HD 7 therefore a good "end" marks, because it has good facilities. Viewfinder, focus ring and good housing - that there were at their plus points.
...
I've often synonymous the magazines at my home videos (I have not read the test), but if so - they are definitely wrong.
Also in the detailed breakdown of the Canon has more points for sharpness and the Sony much more for low-light, then giving the higher score for image quality.
So average scores have always limited explanatory power.
Because I n school with 2.0 did not mean that I'm the better athlete than someone with his 3.0 average he.
You have the tests been extensively read and know little synonymous, which represents an important.
With the HD 7 times I've only briefly in the market here rumgespielt thing (actually I just want to pick Batteries * cough *), but the optics, haptics and Handling are already class in Comparison to its fingerprint scanners Sonywith (Touch Screen - particularly disgusting demonstration at: ) and Canon with their new equipment minimalism.
The ideal camcorder for me: Body of JVC, sharpness of the Canon and the Sony Picture impression - all at the 1000 Euros and we would have the absolute super-consumer camcorder.
They even tape & Maps (not just for photos) and parallel hard drive docking ne .... And then comes the marketing department and was told of "market segmentation".
Antwort von Zizi:
Well the perfect camcorder and economically it has never been synonymous give.
These are, inter alia, marketing and profit strategies Manufacturer appreciative I am of it!
There were moreover a great article in the recent PC Magazine video.
There are actually only future in AVCHD or is it because MPEG2 formats such as HDV plates etc to give?
JVCs Mpeg2 process is unfortunately full of waste as it relates to my old HD4 proved.
Since AVCHD is dear to me.
Antwort von stepa:
...
The ideal camcorder for me: Body of JVC, sharpness of the Canon and the Sony Picture impression - all at the 1000 Euros and we would have the absolute super-consumer camcorder.
They even tape & Maps (not just for photos) and parallel hard drive docking ne .... And then comes the marketing department and was told of "market segmentation". I agree with you 100%.
Unfortunately, it is so that when digital video assets, the list can see and there is of course not the whole breakdown, because she want to sell the books.
But test results are anyway enjoy with caution. For example, Stiftung Warentest
As in the DSLR sector in terms of image quality, the Canon 40d just a "Satisfactory" and get an Alpha 700 a "good". If you then all test Comparison magazines rate moves, we find that this can not be so.
Screen test results are always subjective.
Nevertheless, it is not, I think, when a camcorder like the JVC HD7 as performing well overall, just because everything but the image quality and true stability.
Then when it comes to your camcorder or not?
That would be the same as when I buy a car because it was super-tested, because everything is perfect, except the engine. The makes and consumes too much after only 50000 km limply.
Today, apparently the Priroritäten set differently.
Antwort von Tuffy:
Moin,
can someone randomly say which format (ie extension) of the camcorder?
Or, it could me a holder of a short test footage (uncompressed would be great in FullHD) upload?
Space is available, simply log:
Lucas sign stor dot li
Schöne Grüße!
Antwort von Jan:
MTS files, as almost every current AVCHD camcorder.
I've unfortunately not usable material for me, a test film, unfortunately, my colleague has "destroyed "....
VG
Jan
Antwort von Tuffy:
Hi Jan,
I have a few HG10 data format found in the MST.
How the hell do I because the back? VLC does not, on the Canon I do not think HP software.
And if you are not with the allegedly "AVCHD Transcoder convert them?
Antwort von Jan:
VLC is a very popular player, even with the new Canon AVCHD material, he has his problems but so.
Even the Windows Media Player, my Canon HF 100 MTS files play well - a miracle!
Nero Showtime goes.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Tuffy:
Nero burns in me, and nothing more:-D
My WMP does not play, the latest of Vista.
Do you if necessary codecs installed? I have the 64bit version, there's always that one thing ...
Do you think, how I can convert it?
Regards
/ / edit
You know,
a colleague has purchased the HF100 because it soon goes to Africa (training, etc.) - we wanted one more thing to do, only I'm the one who was from pruning understands. Unfortunately, not of AVCHD:-D
Unfortunately the earliest I see him tomorrow, where we want to record ... : - /
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
it was on the calculator with me to work, no idea what version because it is now.
Perhaps you have known a few (legal) player download and free, who is so clearly coming. But if the player offers deinterlaces not forget (for VLC - Bob) otherwise there are the "strip" - half full and can not always be tolerated ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von Tuffy:
Evening,
which means for now the Beisatz "legally"? The WMP, it is autonomous - or not? :-)
I versuchs times.
But a clue how to convert, you have not, right? I am very itchy in the fingers, and I want to see how well these new-fangled HD data really are :-)
By interlacing is clear - I already like the (ultimately) early in the stifle.
Gruß,
Lucas
Antwort von Jan:
In the network, you can pretty much download everything (synonymous full purchase programs), sowass I do not support, so my contribution to legal Player.
Zb with Chip (Media Player)
Top 100 ZDnet Players But that is associated with searches.
Here I think there was synonymous Play appointments:
info/gesucht-- AVCHD player-with-slow motion VG
Jan
Antwort von Tuffy:
Hi Jan,
I understand the phenomenon of non-playing is not (VLC shows the building shortly, then gray mud (something like a concrete wall, which is very in the years has come), but sound goes).
Now have a larger operation can convert everything - in uncompressed material (20.5 GB for 2:22 minutes ...).
Thanks :-) as far as you like
Gruß,
Lucas
Antwort von Spaceman:
Got the HF100 increased. The image quality is the hammer. When viewing on my Panasonic Full HD projector has me almost off the shoes. The Camera is currently everything is on the market there to 10,000 EUR. The Resolutionund clarity of the image due to the advanced AVCHD codec is unbelievable. And in Size! Previously had the Canon XH-A1 and which comes with a long way. And I always thought that would be the ultimate. In direct comparison, the HF100 a better resolution / sharpness and not synonymous as a motion blur as the XH-A1. There are virtually no compression artifacts to see what I am always with HDV has disrupted. Probably, therefore, the picture is so clear. Have the feeling that this the end for (veraltetetn) HDV standard has come .... RIP HDV
Antwort von Jan:
Sounds like a slogan Canon - I have the camera for the first time synonymous "blinded" - not previously seen such a picture for 800? ¬.
I have had with the HF 100 synonymous not wild in the area rumgefilmt, but with an approximately 10 year old longhaired girls made a couple of close-ups (the hair and the face of course). The fineness of the structure of the hair had one for me so far have not seen quality (Consumer).
Tell me, I'm once again through the menu, About Zebra Imaging Help, I at first sight can not discover - that would be a third next to the detriment of small nichtvorhandenen viewfinders and the new Canon specialty footwear accessories.
@ Tuffy - you've already noticed, I am not a computer professional and synonymous not SE or SW player freak, maybe you should ask the other user. VLC was not synonymous with me, but Windows Media Player already.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Tuffy:
I understand the hubbub about the quality, which is okay, the menu, but my horror, as well as the format. AVCHD is perhaps small, etc., but to edit ... long history.
Hi Jan,
I have the data so, as I said, in DVC PRO HD and can get the synonymous in After Effects edit natively. If I export, I have no loss of quality (really, I've seen it - since each pixel is sort of the same), only in MOV format, in the correct size and in a format that I will send another, and last but not least, synonymous edit can.
Has made good end - thanks for the help :-)
Gruß,
Lucas
Antwort von LorPGDL:
on the cd player plays added all the material I HF100 with my movies without problems from vlc is not synonymous with me (a novum for this player)
Antwort von Tuffy:
Hi,
I was never the software CD, or with Vista x64 is always one thing. Most software is so synonymous in my experience more garbage - but in such a codec probably unavoidable: - /
Gruß,
Lucas
Antwort von Jan:
I understand the hubbub about the quality, which is okay, the menu, but my horror, as well as the format. AVCHD is perhaps small, etc., but to edit ... long history.
Well, maybe you have not yet seen Panasonic AVCHD or one of Sony's older - because there is a difference. You've got so (I think) HV 20 or HV 30 - which are obviously not synonymous bad.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Tuffy:
Hi Jan,
no, I have not. I own a Panasonic NV-DX 110 of 1998 :-) Otherwise I would have for the stress images synonymous freer HDV format used.
I have never, in fact, results of other AVCHD cameras seen, and the quality is so synonymous fine. But that does not use me, if I was not able to work with :-)
Gruß,
Lucas
Antwort von Jan:
Ah, yet very important.
Canon has several video magazines, an 8 GB SDHC card to test for the HF 100 to remove. This is not the regular delivery for end customers. The Mags had the 8 GB card, unfortunately, as a delivery output, which is a misunderstanding.
VG
Jan
Antwort von leo73:
Have since today the HF100.
Can someone please summarize what the optimal settings are.
So when 50i or 25p? When the Cinema mode? And what else I should consider.
I think there are already some experience with the HF10/100.
've Leisure in the forum, but somehow I will not wiser.
Thank you!
Antwort von LorPGDL:
So I always take 50i program with auto color and strong. this makes me the best picture. cinemafreaks moderate bleaches the color from something which will affect relay Tischer. I think it's boring;)
50i is I think for fast movements smooth. oh and if you want to zoom take one of three predefined speeds if you use fast zooms unterschiedich get augenkrebs;)
Antwort von Eugen von ...:
if you use fast zooms unterschiedich get augenkrebs;) Eye cancer kriegt man of
almost all "Zoomfahrten".
Antwort von leo73:
I think that's just a nice feature if I am with 'feeling' can have different zoom. Something needed to exercise.
Antwort von Didi R.:
So I find extremely weak that the HDMI cable is not supplied. AV Stereo, Component cable .... super. And the cable, the picture only way out of bounds, is not there.
Good, eh costs only ¬ 10 - but annoying that you must arrange yourself!
Antwort von Jan:
HDMI cable, then type C to A is almost none of the providers - which is unfortunately the norm.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Didi R.:
who knows an HDMI A to C adapter, the synonymous fits into the camera?
I had already bought, which is the adapter mount (ie housing) so large that it is not in the HF10 can insert.
Adapter is because I prefer the one of my HDMI cable boxes peg, as always behind the plasma to fiddle around (hab "unfortunately" only 2x HDMI)
Thank you.
Antwort von Jan:
The HF 100 requires precisely how most AVCHD camcorder camera type C s.der page. The old SonySR 1 was still as good (Type A to Type A, just the regular size.
There were a couple of HDMI cable for your camcorder:
Panasonic RP-CDHM 15
SonyVMC 15-MHD
- Canon HTC 100
Type C or Type A HDMI cable Fredmhersteller.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Didi R.:
Thanks for the answer, but it is something s.der question over.
I am looking for no AC HDMI cable that I know. But a power of A to C, the synonymous match on the Cam.
Antwort von Jan:
Sorry - I've read about. Mir is because off the unknown.
VG
Jan
