Newsmeldung von slashCAM: Shootout: RED, F23, EX1 of rob - 17 Mar 2008 10:57:00 DV guru Adam Wilt called the Comparison itself "unfair", but it is interesting all times. What Resolutions are with Prime lenses realize how much exposure latitude, the different camera-concepts, etc.? Synonymous good example of how difficult it is in HD, with a 2.8 aperture, without adequate monitoring solution is the correct focus setting.
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Antwort von baerfot:
it is about the comparative: F23 RED and EX1 and non-Z1 ...
gruß cj
Antwort von PowerMac:
True ...
Antwort von WoWu:
Already an interesting comparison ... above all, someone who speaks Techel synonymous and says that the RED 4k only when the resolution to a 3-chip and 1920x1080 achieved in only 2k of 1280x720 ...
Antwort von baerfot:
Techel [code: 1:419 e642531]? [/ code: 1:419 e642531]
Antwort von WoWu:
= Tacheles .... would be synonymous with imagination to interpolate been ..
Antwort von segler:
The EX1 is sharper than a RED ONE, very interesting!
The F23 is enormous sharp ... wow!
Antwort von segler:
The EX1 is sharper than a RED ONE, very interesting!
The F23 is enormous sharp ... wow! Why interesting? The Canon IXUS is synonymous sharper than a Canon EOS 1Ds III. When will the RAW image editing / sharpening in the post instead. The EX1 is a picture in front of the camera-internal processing "mushy".
Antwort von WoWu:
This is only the subjective impression.
The Resolutionergibt of the available pixels of the image sensor of the RED with the corresponding reduction by Farbmaske, the other by the 3 2k chips of F23. And there in the RED, some "cleanup levels" is for "Display Picture", not the "Nutzbild action.
The target of your information at the same density is equal Abtastife necessarily synonymous and may not be in the mail be enlarged.
And even a matte Picture shows detail on (if available) ... it has simply made a different "feel". But details are not available, can be synonymous in the post not be established. Edge sharpening only affects the contrast of an image impression. But sometimes the comparative richness of detail of the pictures shown.
Antwort von edgar:
Fortunately, it is synonymous sharpening the edges off (detail = off).
Positive side effect: In addition to all the mud / Artifacts, is synonymous of the video look flutes. :)
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von edgar:
The edges can be sharpened off, but the sharpening of the image not. When RED is not sharpening of the image in the camera instead.
Antwort von WoWu:
What is the difference between honing and sharpening edges of the image because in the RED?
Antwort von edgar:
Sharpening is not in the RED.
Antwort von WoWu:
What do you the knowledge?
Antwort von andrempga:
By technicians of RED + from my tests.
Antwort von WoWu:
If you look at the pictures of the sharpness of the comparison tests AJW so committed, it would even be. Only sometime and somewhere must ultimately come from the contrast, because raw data are still very different.
Antwort von DeeZiD:
Mhh, I am not completely stupid, if I EX1 Picture of Detail = Off, despite still too sharp to find or hard contrast edges (thanks to the double contour visible) than überschärft feel. : D
Only a pity that it is in no hidden sub-menu function to complete shutdown of any subsequent sharpening there ...
The Post does a lot better and more natural.
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von PowerMac:
Sure you can no sharpening (-70) in the EX1 off. Have we made and have a Picture, which is no longer to be used was soft and smooth. Like a blur on it.
Antwort von WoWu:
Sometimes the values are not zero at 0 but in the minus area ... try but the times.
And with the re-sharpening in the post is synonymous such a thing. because the filter is intended to be used quite often Miser of nature. There are the hardware filter of the cameras is often considerably better. In addition, of course, what kind of sharpening it, is synonymous because there are indeed different methods. But since you've obviously right, because it is flexible in the post. Power, however, synonymous with more work and, further processing steps. And for a small edge sharpening is nothing wrong. Often it is synonymous cameras needed to have defects on the lens cover.
Antwort von DeeZiD:
From a blur was never mentioned.
What I would like to be a naturally sharp without any Picture Alias | Wavefront Mayaing-Artifacts.
With detail = off while one is already pretty close, but they do disappear completely jagged edges will not.
@ Wowu:
I speak here of fairly high quality sharpening, as z.Bs LimitedSharpen in Avisynth. At least the hardware EX1 (detail function) on the other hand, looks really old. ;)
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von DeeZiD:
Here, for example, a Picture of the EX1, with what detail = off and was in the post (with Avisynth LimitedSharpen) has been sharpened:
http://dvinfo.net/conf/attachment.php?attachmentid=6395&d=1203951503
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von WoWu:
Dennis,
Du Du running at me, "open doors" one, so synonymous my reference to the different approaches. Insofar s.der RAW processing is quite a lot and definitely a turn for the pros, it can afford in time. But many products for sharpening edges are also quite simple and natural, especially in the NLE's for a few "pennies." And then maybe the camera sharpening. So it was really only meant.
However, it must be synonymous really see what one wants in order to compensate and I may not be synonymous in the sharpening Chromasignal do. The way I turn, but only in the Camera. But generally there is obviously less good lenses after sharpening and it needs quite a "traditional" Correction of the gamma curve ... Therefore, I see your post and needs, especially in a perfectly reliable quality ...
Antwort von O`Shannon:
From a blur was never mentioned.
What I would like to be a naturally sharp without any Picture Alias | Wavefront Mayaing-Artifacts. With detail = off while one is already pretty close, but they do disappear completely jagged edges will not.
Gruß Dennis It is always synonymous to Player s.with of the recorded material is sighted. My EX1 material on the VCL player looks very good. No Alaising visible. About my NLE (Liquid) are low Alaising Effects watching. On my big 42 "FullHD screen again no visible Alising, I assume that the native Materail with the EX1 garnicht Alaising has to struggle. It is precisely the image steadiness, especially s.harten, high-contrast edges, is a special quality criterion of EX1 .
Antwort von DeeZiD:
From a blur was never mentioned.
What I would like to be a naturally sharp without any Picture Alias | Wavefront Mayaing-Artifacts. With detail = off while one is already pretty close, but they do disappear completely jagged edges will not.
Gruß Dennis
It is always synonymous to Player s.with of the recorded material is sighted. My EX1 material on the VCL player looks very good. No Alaising visible. About my NLE (Liquid) are low Alaising Effects watching. On my big 42 "FullHD screen again no visible Alising, I assume that the native Materail with the EX1 garnicht Alaising has to struggle. It is precisely the image steadiness, especially s.harten, high-contrast edges, is a special quality criterion of EX1 . Well, with Detail = off, there is already a light Alias | Wavefront Mayaing - no preference whether or not I do with the VLC (why always stutters so funny, looks like a pulldown) or Zoomplayer. However, it is very minimal. Comparison of A1 is much finer and cleaner reproduced (25p Mode).
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von PeterM:
I have the whole discussion around the Red simply too much faith war. Just empty talk
In principle and as a fan Absolutely and future users and owners of the RED
The RED makes no 4K
Can se net.
s.durch the Bayer sensor
b by the weichzeichnenden Vavelet code
But.
Most tests are with the older Redcode28 made.
Today there is a little less compressed Redcode36 to the still somewhat s.Schärfe brings.
I see the Red in two directions.
1. For panorama people (like us with the halfway Kamerea a useful 160 degree panorama in 1 to 4 manage
2. For fulldomeleute (like us) but unfortunately it is because s.Auflösungslimit why we S.2 Redlösungen work.
Furthermore s.den price should not be forgotten.
A Optics Redset with Batteries and Drive and miscellaneous costs just around the 22,000 euro.
Admittedly. RED The crystal is just good for 2K.
But the workflow is at 2K halt überschubar.
Herunterkonveriteren of 4K to 2K takes on a current 4 core to 15 minutes per minute raw materials and standard HDTV then you can post up to date environments.
One should not forget that the RED is still in beta stage.
It is certainly still half a year need to be synonymous firmware codec software are reasonably mature, it is quite erich with better results, with the Red operating principle never more than 3K will bring.
The RED soielt at the level of 16mm film and not 35mm (The arrii D20 not synonymous, incidentally) but with enm DOF of 35mm.
For ENG and fast Industiefilm as the EX1 is certainly better and cheaper alternative then synonymous.
And for all flame wars. The RED, the place Everything deer quite considerably.
Unfortunately, the sleep of hats Arri not enough time, the passage of time noticed.
I think many would be a real Arri D40 synonymous only if they could rent a nice alternative.
Antwort von Valentino:
The RED is playing at the level of 16mm film and not 35mm (The arrii D20 not synonymous, incidentally) but with enm DOF of 35mm. That is so synonymous the reason why the D20 so called because the Qualitäüt calculated for a 20mm wide film material would be subject (which does not exist), just over 16mm, not a 35mm.
I think many would be a real Arri D40 synonymous only if they could rent a nice alternative. There will be at NAB, the D21, which is probably a little smaller (ARRI are possible according to almost 50%), the imager will only be minor changes and the same resolution bidding. There is a lot in the software changed and improved.
The D40 is certainly already developed, just want the developers of a series ARRI Mature product on the market and do not bring such a thing as half-finished of RED.
Also seen at ARRI not really the need of 4K, because it is only with high effort s.Set connected. It would be around the four-SR recorder HCAM needed to 4k recorded on tape. On hard drive at the moment would simply make no sense, because the film is not insured for the loss of memory or hard disks therein.
Since then, I would at 4k but rather to an ARRI Cam and access later in 4K can scan.
