Frage von Wong:
Hi,
I have the task in a short film with the theme of creating "bridges". So far I have not just birthdays and holiday videos rotated. So more or less without a draft.
I still have no idea how the film should look like. To a "boring" documentary but I have no desire. Would like to see something different. For example, "such as bridges of look down", or "what happened on bridges? Should contribute surreal, much like "Prime Time" or something.
How do I do now? My Professor told me to him but time to submit a storyboard. Think that he means single, concise sequences in film order, right? What is actually done first?
Idea -> Storyboard -> script. . . is that correct?? For tips I would be very grateful!
Regards, Wong
Antwort von Gast:
Idea -> Storyboard -> script. . . is that correct?? One can not say a flat rate. There are no right or wrong, as long as s.end a good movie comes out. True and important is, in fact, that the idea should be there first.
Do without a working actor, a storyboard can sometimes be sufficient. In a storyboard you skizzierst settings and sequences like this, as you hover. This is an idea, of course, require mandatory.
The idea could follow as synonymous, but an essay in which you imagine your interpretation of the theme soon - so the target visual language, the desired atmosphere, the central message, etc. mayest. As you would do a little advertising for your Project.
Whether you even need a script in the true sense, then hangs from the end of the actual project.
Should you work with actors and scenes, you'll need to script book. In addition to the dialogues are indeed synonymous to contain information that is in effect, the logistics involved (at different venues which will be rotated? If I turn inside or outside? "If I turn s.Tag or night and what actors play in which scenes? You may need props? Etc .) That plays a big role especially then, when it comes to creating a rotation plan (in which order I turn the scenes with actors whom at what times of day?)
Then, to give still a subjective answer to your question about the order (and I'm going of a scenic film):
Idea> script> Storyboard
For one can not very well draw something, even if still not clear what should happen. And that is what is in the script. Only then can one think about the final scenes are Resolutionder - so what settings, where cuts, etc.
"Only the contents, then the Picture," one of my teachers once said in one of his good moments.
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hey,
I could tell you what has made the competition. You are applying synonymous in school, or?
~ Creativity;) ~
Liebe Grüße
Constantin
Antwort von Wasser:
to the school and aufnahmeprüfung is it? The interested user is likely to learn this?
Antwort von Axel:
Salut Wong.
In the beginning is the brainstorm. You drive over a bridge, maybe hear a song ( "Bridge over troubled water"?), You think s.The free men, which the bridge is a roof über'm head and suddenly have an idea how this could work in a movie .
How do I do now? My Professor told me to him but time to submit a storyboard. Think that he means single, concise sequences in film order, right? What is actually done first?
Idea -> Storyboard -> script. . . is that correct?? The topic is given, so it's nothing with the
spontanten inspiration.
The idea can not be forced, but invite: Through brainstorming, free association, hear a lot of Music) walks s.der fresh air (and over / under bridges.
Then comes the idea.
It is good idea to write down and define exactly. What puts you into excitement when you first time you realized that this might just work? You should be as specific as possible. This write down is extremely important if it is synonymous only ONE SENTENCE that you write down. It's your theme, it is the core, it is the beginning.
Then, the first experimental "film comes". Describe the film writing. Krizzele a storyboard. Shoot a series of photos. Cutting photos in NLE, trimmed to its intended length.
Each of these "scripts / storyboards" is an alternative. The written version is s.wenigsten cinematically. Paper is patient, and who like me is swarming in words, the film proves its future is not a good obstetrics.
In the past I have made sketches (Storyboard, comicmäßig). Meanwhile, I take a pen in more, but with and do everything within my Digi-camera. With this I can take photo series and "cut" (delete = Takes and change order). For me, this method is s.authentischsten.
But, as a "guest" says: "There is no right or wrong as long as s.end a good movie comes out.'s Right and important is the fact that the idea should first be there."
Antwort von Acer:
I think that we generally for such a factual issue hardly needs an actor. What you could do would be synonymous, an interview with a lecturer / professor s.einer University in bridge / konstrukition / functional way to lead. Animation / visual tours a Brcke were synonymous interesseant. If you could act as a spokesperson, if you had ne documentation that you could make fun synonymous. Or 90 shots (compared to the normal horizontal recording).
Oh, no preference, what you have written my on-the-writer is the best approach, a plausible place to film on its feet.
Antwort von Wong:
@ all
Thank you for the really helpful tips!
No, there is no application for any university. It is a appearance in the main, my last;).
No, it should not be actors.
I this project more easily introduced. I still missing
the main
message of the film!
What could be interesting a movie about bridges? So far I have the following steps:
* Film bridges of unusual views / angles
* Dramatically capture the Height of bridge
* Variations of bridges show (aqueduct, highway bridges, pedestrian bridges, etc.)
* What happens on bridges (traffic, pedestrians, etc.)
* Evt. yet - what material are the bridges?
But as I said, the core message is still missing!
Regards, Wong
Antwort von Acer:
Core message: Bridges connect people
Antwort von Markus:
Bridges connect people Or parts of a human. ;-)
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Antwort von JanC.Beck:
Bridges connect people ... or they share. I once seen a documentary on a village bridge, somewhere in the Balkans. The bridge went just over the border and was destroyed several times in the history of military reasons, and so divided the whole city.
Bridges in the war were indeed very often important objectives ...
So I hope nobody thinks I am a military freak or something similar, I would just this issue with it:)
Antwort von Axel:
The idea comes first.
What is the bridge. Bricks, concrete, steel?
This is only material.
A bridge is an idea.
The idea of this over the water (the Ravine, the tracks are) on.
Seven-league boots?
A tree trunk?
A pillar in the middle, s.der hangs a bridge?
A sketch.
Blueprints on Milimeterpapier, animated.
The computer simulation of the bridge.
The plans of the architect.
The construction work.
Antwort von Wong:
You're really creative! Some aspects are already occurred to me synonymous.
I believe what I was missing was a "statement" of the film.
@ Janc. Beck
The report I have seen synonymous;)
@ Axel
You are really creative and I will use your Instpirationen;)
@ all
I think it would be good if I beta versions of my movie to make available so that you can give your opinion.
Pull off right now, the weather is genial film to Play!
Antwort von Wong:
So, again very briefly. Since the theme of "Bridges" is a very free and I / we (and fellow student of mine) I want to make an unusual film, we decided to make a film about a "Bridge of Death" to.
Yes, very risky, but that is what we want. Maybe she knows someone happened: The "Blombachtalbrücke" in Wuppertal. It leads directly over the A 1
Photos here:
http://www.eutropia.com/fotos/foto-8030-34973.html
Info here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blombachtalbr%C3%BCcke
Antwort von JanC.Beck:
Wong, was the report where an eye-witness the destruction with his camcorder has filmed until he ran out of battery?
Antwort von Wong:
@ Jan
Sorry, is already long time ago. 've Only got the story in my head, no more details.
@ all
The first 2 minutes of the video are now available in the
"beta version". Anyone who wants can reinschauen times. Criticism welcome!
Link:
Antwort von Acer:
I can look at your net beta version. Do I pay because what, that looks like this?
Mir fällt grad:
Antwort von Wong:
No need, of course, you pay nothing !!!!!!!!!
Far right, click for free;)
But I am again next few minutes!
Antwort von Acer:
If I want to download the file, then a counter that counts down to zero. I can download it for free net, because you need the Premium version and I can not be bothered, money to spend on this page. * pulling a long face, because film is not looking *;.)
Ciao,
Philipp
Antwort von Axel:
@ Philip: It was not until the bottom right-click on "Free". In the new window, wait for the countdown in the middle window, then type the colored letters in the box (access code), and the download starts.
@ Wong (Andreas?): Beautiful pictures, a little too much raw material for chill-video-jockeys, for my taste. As a series of photos accompanied by sound okay, but: Where is the movie?
Antwort von Wong:
Were indeed the first 2 minutes!
So, here are the beta of the
whole movie!
http://rapidshare.de/files/19245767/Die_Bruecke.avi.html
Simply right click on the page below in the table "for free" or "free". Then you have to wait a few seconds and then a you enter displayed code.
Antwort von Lawrence:
Aloah,
I could only download the first beta, there is a download limit for the second (because I have taken the first one). Accordingly, I can only say what the first 2 minutes.
You want to make an unusual film. But I find it rather boring. Even the intro alone is much too tough and soporific. If the first half minute is just text. Since missing animations, graphical finesse. And above all, Dynamics, as then in the 1 1 / 2 minutes of film. A series of 'stills-fast') (with slightly shaky camera, focused on the sky, in front of the' Bridge of Death 'as a silhouette and lulling music, coupled with a few picture effects make this film, unfortunately, not uncommon. Images, or videos do not always have 5 or 10 or however many seconds are always synonymous shown (Dynamics). To present s.Anfang a bridge, would have to be synonymous and can see the bridge), not only some parts (as a silhouette.
The theme of 'Bridge of Death' will, hopefully, later in the film still shows. Is clear that not accommodate them all in the first 2 minutes;)
I hope I can convey my subjectivity with a few pointers.
Antwort von Acer:
HI, was able to just watch the movie now synonymous. I know net, what's the change of the issues raised by LAwrenve 2minutes full FIlm, but the film has given me very well liked. The beginning was a bit tough, but the after effects have impressed me.
When you went over the bridge and the schrarzen Fades have use, you do really well in tension, but unfortunately not discharged. I was curious if you jump, or etc., but unfortunately you have then nothing exciting as a "bombshell" installed.
The effects in the film were really impressive, synonymous the beep, short, shorter, short, laaaaaaannnnnnnnnnngg.
3 questions for last:
1. With what camera you filmed?
2. What editing program did you use?
3. What are the songs you've filed for?
All in all a pretty neat concept helpless without the filmmaker, to good, but expandable - is s.erts beta, right?;.)
Ciao,
Philipp
Antwort von JanC.Beck:
somehow I'm already a bit entschäuscht. Among the first 2minutes I agree with Lawrence. The Mukke s.Anfang really soporific.
It was only at about 4min if I'm correct in remembrance, then comes maln bit more with the mood somewhat quicker Music. What I have noticed already in the uncomfortable 2min piece of the effects you have used. First, only LightRays, then suddenly blur, scanlines, Glow and twice as many again.
As already said Lawrence, I thought you wanted to make a unique film by the content and your recorded scenes and not by tens Effects: (
However, there were about 5 scenes because I have convinced the effects and it was really better than average! Unfortunately, I had but all in all not that certain feeling ... I do not know how to express it. I call it mal "planned production", so that you really have any effect as planned I will not buy from. It works for me as if you'd rather arbitrarily without any effect on it threw you about the effect being clearly understood.
Ugh, that sounds harsh, I know. View's positive;)
My suggestion:
- Delete all the effects,
- Clear the Music s.Anfang
- Look at your whole material again s.and the total time trying to bisect
Then presenting us with no effects a unique film! :)
Antwort von Lawrence:
I could now absorb the entire beta.
JanC.Beck has already said that.
But i will start posting my comments that I wrote during the intuition () chronologically. And I just have to say that these are only the negative things. Frankly, I thought - Shortly after the first two minutes-beta-film - comes into this beta as a full movie yet, but I'm really speaks of nothing.
I'm sorry, but it should be enough incentive to make it just another go.
What surprised me a bit that is set in your Start Posting: "So far I have
not just birthdays and holiday videos rotated. So, more or less without a concept."
- 3 times the same scenes will (over bridge) with Blur, knocking noise
- The big picture spacing (black screen)
- The loud beeping
- The information. xy people have jumped to their deaths, is shown as "built up of" loveless juxtaposition of facts without any visually appealing presentation
- Extremely boring scanning again (for me apparent) the same areas
- Only with effects handtiert (not discreet)
- Zero context, zero story or a thread
- Ugly shrill colors> color experiments
- Constantly we see a bottom of black filmed (silhouette) Bridge
- Left half white, right half black, which takes forever, because what happened before?
Antwort von Ephraim:
Hello,
If the theme of "Bridges" was that it is wrong: it is only a bridge to be seen.
Presumably you study architecture? Otherwise the term would be "bridges" synonymous understood as a metaphor, so when next in the film-something. Michelangelo, for example, has shown in one of his frescoes two characters who try to touch one with your index finger to. A figure like this is God. The gesture was not long noticed and revealed only in modern times their dimension: What happens here, is synonymous of a bridge.
Understanding requires bridges, one synonymous another can build a bridge ....
Here, however, shows a "bridge" just as a way to shorten life rather than the means.
The Professor already knew why he wanted first time see paper.
The whole seems to me s.wie a test for capacity for abstraction, which is interpreted as synonymous intelligence. As with the present version, however, make any points. It would be synonymous difficult to change the Omega version. Had to have a negative rotated, would be my advice: "Go in the comb factory!"
Antwort von JanC.Beck:
Go in the comb factory! Clare us about this but please Insider on ^ ^
otherwise ditto
Antwort von Wong:
First of many thanks for your diligent comments!
@ Lawrence
"So far I have not just birthdays and holiday videos rotated. So, more or less without a concept." Of course it was a typo! Said "only holiday videos", etc., sorry!
@ Acer
Is a Panasonic NV-GS5 (but borrow only)
Of Sony's Vegas editing program
Song:
Peace on Earth of Mike Oldfield
Lakefield with Snake Blood from the OST The Beach
Back to the film:
I like the first 2 minutes (until the beginning of the surreal sequences, very) well. Even if it does not look like evt, but I've already given some thought about this film. The "colorful" parts are intended. More on that later.
In the early part of the longing for death are, and are shown the connection to "heaven". Aspect of salvation. Therefore, the bridge of the bottom was added to the top. LightRays shine brightly over the bridge and ask, where is the redemption of the suicide! The Height of the bridge should be increased. Also, the zoom of the bridge in the sky will illustrate this.
@ Jan
I thought you wanted to make a unique film by the content and your recorded scenes No, not only by the content. Effects can appear bizarre to the film. Perhaps not so many, but is still "beta" status.
However, there were about 5 scenes because I have convinced the effects and it was really better than average! What would they be?
It works for me as if you'd rather arbitrarily without any effect on it threw you about the effect being clearly understood.
Ugh, that sounds harsh, I know. View's positive;) I will present the film (in back) bizarre, unrealistic and abstract.
Then presenting us with no effects a unique film! :) It's easy to say!
@ Lawrence
but I'm really speaks of nothing.
I'm sorry, but it should be enough incentive to make it just another go. Were it not a justification of little help, your arguments and to give me the opportunity thus synonymous, then make it better?
3 times the same scenes (go across bridge) with Blur, knocking noise What is wrong with that?
the big picture spacing (black screen) Yes, definitely are too long!
The loud beeping Do you mean the heart monitor?
the information. xy people have jumped to their deaths, is shown as "built up of" loveless juxtaposition of facts without any visually appealing presentation Will come over provocative, should be synonymous unloving. Is a terrible issue, which I
not "visually appealing" wants. A lot of black due respect to death.
extremely tedious scanning again (for me apparent) the same areas
- Only with effects handtiert (not discreet)
- Zero context, zero story or a thread
- Ugly shrill colors> color experiments
- Constantly we see a bottom of black filmed (silhouette) Bridge As already written, ugly colors, surreal moments of a certain abstraction of reality create. The view (I do not really know, but it put me in front) of a suicide is no way out, shrill, senseless, overloading, unproductive, etc. All these qualities I have tried to play back in these surreal sequences
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
hey,
I think the effect with the monitor quite interesting! (synonymous to the sense of if I had not understood the effect in the film.) (Counter in the Picture, stripes and changing color effect)
Is this an editing program in the predefined? Is this a plug, or a combination of effects?
Can you tell me of how I like in Premiere / After Effects hinbekomme?
Many greetings
Constantin
Antwort von Lawrence:
Aloah,
>> Would not it be a justification of little help, your arguments and to give me the opportunity thus synonymous, then make it better?
I have tried to clarify my comments even by the film.
>> What is wrong with that? (3 times the same scenes, exactly).
When I expressed since the question was what it was. I felt this rather disturbing as stylistically or so.
>> Do you mean the heart monitor? (Heart monitor)
Yes, because unlike the others, the beeping sound is coming over very very loud. But can deceive synonymous, because I generally very sensitive to loud high notes am;)
>> Should come over provocative, should be synonymous unloving. (xy people died)
Yes, but you must understand me synonymous times. She walked the whole time on the topic of bridges. I thought you're an architect or something. But you did not even mention what (or have I skipped it) that you tend to the psyche is in conjunction with a bridge. I thought you want to imagine the present bridge, convey exciting, make it attractive and can contribute in return repulsive. Just the thing with the suicide. In the previous posts you were still listed to show the bridge from which materials that would have on traffic, etc. As you can truly think you want to make a film about THE bridge.
You have to understand a film by its collection of audiovisual media can. If you only need an interpretation that may still appear synonymous abstract, then the wrong medium was used.
Perhaps even describe to you a little more, what exactly are you doing, what are the targets. The film will only reflect your thoughts and your ideas to make it understandable to others.
Antwort von Axel:
Salut Wong.
My criticism also sounds destructive, but with everything I say, judge, and I mark my own brand synonymous sloppiness and narcissism. Rotten eggs are on offer, and anyone who dares as you forward, get off I'm still here.
The hangers will see a bridge with the eyes of a suicide resolute that really has many options. The lyric - soporific for others - beginning leads into a collection of worn-out effects, which would provide a club for sufficiently bizarre stimuli. A VJ work. The mix, which even
live. The corridor along s.zauner could act as a teaser for 5-06 harder. "After the advertising you see, the Selbstmörderbrücke of Brombachtal", complete with (palpitations when synonymous without the Flatline beeper that would probably seem even RTL applied too thick) and the curtain-Left / Right-Crop.
Your own interpretations of honor: The media should work without any words, all intrusive or sensuous symbols and metaphors (black and white for life and death? Man!) Are a crutch, no bridge. On a new one.
Antwort von Axel:
Can you tell me of how I like in Premiere / After Effects hinbekomme? Salut Constantin
The counter, now I know not, the scanlines (the strips have) you download, for example, as raw material in this
tutorial AAE deinterlacing, or even easier picture-google "scanlines", there's already finished moiré.
The Farbspielereien are then I suppose just that: games with filters.
Antwort von Ephraim:
Go in the comb factory! Clare us about this but please Insider on ^ ^
otherwise ditto Previously celluloid film was produced. Combs synonymous.
Antwort von Ephraim:
Hello,
just what occurs to me relating to a bridge and life and death:
A man was drinking beer. This would eventually come out. At that time he was on a bridge.
It was his last beer, he met a catenary wire.
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hello,
So I agree with your criticism! But (!)
Today I have downloaded a demo version of Sony Vegas. Let's be honest, the video effects are quite nice, but little more than a toy or small holiday movies can be made with the program is not really synonymous.
So it does not surprise me that you are soo many thousands of color effects, etc. This monitor miteinbringst in the video, which is not necessarily meaningful, but just a gimmick.
That is why the video seems to me rather a bit of a demo video for Sony Vegas!
A well-intentioned Tip: Cut with Premiere, Avid (I think that rather difficult for beginners), or if you have access to a Mac with Final Cut Pro!
The thoughts that you in the movie, or afterwards in post production (editing, color correction ,...) had, you can implement with this program and not well understood.
(The same goes for Acid, DVD Architect, etc. -> Adobe Encore, Audition, Premiere, After Effects!)
Corrects me, if ye have a different opinion:)
Many greetings
Constantin
Antwort von Axel:
Corrects me, if ye have a different opinion:) I totally disagree. A series of photographs with a Polaroid camera and can be more dramatic increase in expression than an IMAX film. The more expensive tool makes it easy and just a little rounder.
A good video with Movie Maker is possible, even with VHS-C.
See the beginning of the thread: First is the idea. But our guys here, then immediately begin experimenting s.and lose the center of the eyes.
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hey, sure, I fully agree with you!
But in my post I do not speak of the quality! (Grade I, who has a small 3CCD camera, but when students are not very much money for equipment!)
I think that it is not as fast in Premiere tends to play around "" and the heart quickly loses sight!
The effects are the only ones here in Vegas, you get a maximum of Premiere as a plug. I think that with Vegas, you can create a finished product from lower grade film, and then only with much work and only for those who do not lose sight of his goal.
And those who have not lost sight of the goal for me is already no longer Beginners (for which the program seems to be made so) ...
Perhaps you know high quality video with Movie Maker, Vegas or were created, and I can prove the opposite:) I will stay with Premiere ...
Many greetings
Constantin
Antwort von JanC.Beck:
I do not really know whether I should agree with or oppose you, Eagle.
What have the many effects of intervention Vegas with the final product? I can simply ignore the effects but synonymous!
On the other hand, I agree with you, because I think it is synonymous very important (I would even THE most important) when cutting to say do not lose sight of the goal and focus effects usually only really starting.
Although I did but with Virtual Dub or with Avid cut
should make no different, because a good movie really has to make do without effect gadgets. In a movie maybe once a transition occurs s.3 bodies before otherwise it consists of only Hardcuts. Then there is a color setting, and that's it.
As I said in another post, the many effects s.meisten bother me in the bridge film and it would be too easy to delete my proposal.
Antwort von camworks:
wong
One of our lecturers once said:
"a film must act without synonymous ton. one must be able to understand the film without that you can hear the tone off. the images must speak for itself, tones are to support the building only."
I found this approach very interesting, because it opens one's eyes to the essential. So I would just ask me s.deiner time to consider what the images s.anfang audience could show the films directly to what the topic, it is turning.
you to give the clay with your beta video turn off you will notice that one knows nothing. works even with the whole tone and then just stretched the audience does not know what that means. that you have read already s.den above comments.
My tip: bridge show several newspaper extracts, the airlift, which show headlines again with the answer "Bridge of Death," "suicide," perhaps one to two bodies of those found s.fuß pressphotos of the bridge (do not forget eye beams). not even to fake something. is indeed not for watching TV, I think.
but that's just my approach. think yourself out of what, after all it is your task. :-)
Antwort von Wong:
erstmal again many thanks for the many contributions.
Your criticism (especially negative) has really furthered me!
We are still missing the action in the film. These we have now in further recordings to implement with a "main character" is trying. At the weekend I will attain to re-cut the film. So until then!
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hello,
So erstmal I find it very great that criticism is accepted and, therefore, that you throw away all your footage and begin new again!
I would Interesi your new film course again. Would be nice if you could upload it!
Many dear greetings
... and a lot of fun and cut s.Dreh
Constantin
