Frage von RocknRoyal:
Hello,
many know that I have a SonyPMW am-EX3, which had cost me with all the accessories, over 11,000 ¬ (; incl Tripod etc) and also I have a Canon 5D Mark II and what can I say? - I'm simply delight of my Canon 5D and I do not know what else to speak for the big EX3 - (clear var framerate, I would sorely miss) ... but otherwise, it is on the EX3 for example, a 35mm adapter synonymous only in the approach to achieve such a depth of field etc, as with the Canon 5D.
My main area (; wedding film etc) I can see using the Canon 5D synonymous absolutely perfectly achievable - then you buy are still of the Redrock Cinema Bundle for the Canon 5D and well ....
I have probably just 2 x Canon 5D better than ¬ 16,000 EX3 (; 35mm incl ...)
How do you think? ..... clearly, some would say I'm crazy, but I am convinced the man with the Canon 5D consistently prof. work is synonymous (in the video field and the low light properties, especially on Festlichtkeiten such as weddings, etc.) are unbeatable, even against the EX3 and I am convinced that we (in the next few years anyway no ham will see size) as EX3 separates is very clear to me in the direction of DSLR ....
Gruss
Alex.
Antwort von Alikali:
So I do not begrudge you the heart of your love for the Mark II - no irony.
What would interest me only once in flames - as it looks with the post? What editing program is so clear (; and how well), how is the workflow, in which quality is the issue?
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
Thus,
Workflow provides one more or even less - if not just before walking into a digestible format - so there is no argument for me now to hold s.der EX3.
No question - the EX3 is a Cracker, a great camera and just the variable frame rate is nice, but ultimately you have to weigh out what you need, how often it needs, how mobile you want to be so many factors and as I was actually composed of the sector of "Photography" come and go with weddings as a photographer, it's a nice thing to have your camcorder in the baggage car and the possibilities that open up to me if you have 2-3 Canon 5D in use and then not have the costs The EX3 has exhausted that speaks to me with respect for the Canon 5D and Aperture and so there are sure to solve Nikon Lenses, Lenses, etc., and also the light, I'm assuming that is synonymous to come here much ....
You just have to see .... EX3 costs about 8000 ¬ 2000-5000 ¬ again, plus accessories for 35mm etc - then you are quickly at 15,000 ¬ and this time it just gets loose 3-4 "Canon 5D" and an external Micro is synonymous with the sound bearable.
I just think it's because the EX3 is not worth and I would rather sell the EX3 is now at a point where you would still need ;-)
Gruss
Alex.
Antwort von Alikali:
Hunh ... I stick to anything at all synonymous, I have little idea of cameras all come two weeks before twenty new on the market.
What I'm interested in the current DSLR-whirl:
- In what format the camera to stand out?
- How do I get into the editing program (, in which one?) And in what quality?
- When I walk (; of what in what?) - How much of the Mk II's features, as I promised, in any resolution?
- How do I get the finished part back out and in what quality?
Antwort von Daigoro:
I would rather sell the EX3 is now at a point where it is still a need
Again?
Booth does not have time last year for sale?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Hmm Well, but the EX3 can be synonymous times stand up and be filmed with easy to automatic, which is probably difficult with a 5D
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von krokymovie:
The handling is not filmer not perfect,
But when the dslr's the present-setting of an ex, it would have the sache clear.
Here something of the d5 with
"rolling timer"
gruß
Antwort von TiMovie:
I think the depth of EX3 compared to the 1 / 3 times already Chippler supernatural and the lowlight synonymous properties - then yes, the 5D must be the hammer!
I find among other things, the XDCAM EX Workflow genial - AVCHD to frighten people off!
Greeting TiMovie
Antwort von Chezus:
Yes, "would"
What would be simple if the full frame would Ex3 one chip?
What if all the good qualities of every good camera would be united in one and what if would cost only 2000 euros? ;)
All wishful thinking. It would be nice, but it is unfortunately not so.
SonyEX 1 with a full frame chip would schonmal a big part
Ultimately, it depends what you want to make s.was.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Ultimately, it depends what you want to make s.was. So degree in video area - especially at events - I find Tiefenunschaerfe rather disturbing.
Ich hab nen Diy 35mm adapter, which I've yet to play around and test use, otherwise I would not know where he would bring more advantages than disadvantages.
If you're not very grad 'staged' with a clear foreground and background work - eg a "set" s.Leuten films have isses with much nicer people in the last row still recognizable sharp on it, because you can not spend the evening would like to take each one into focus, because most prefer to see themselves.
Although this is an 'unnatural' picture, but much closer s.dem what you want to see the people.
Antwort von deti:
The problem is that the people here make the visual impression of a scene very much down to s.der used technique. Which is hardly a clear planning and design effort actually stands behind a look.
Somehow this reminds me strongly s.Freizeitsportler that need to buy only the best in the sport shop and then admit defeat in pursuit of their sport a 9 year old child without special equipment ;-)
Deti
Antwort von SammyGray:
Geil Alex ...
similar gehts my colleagues:)
But I can honestly understand.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Somehow this reminds me strongly s.Freizeitsportler that need to buy only the best in the sport shop and then admit defeat in pursuit of their sport a 9 year old child without special equipment ;-) This stimulated, in any case, the 2nd hand market.
On the EX3 glut on Ebay I am still waiting. Had indeed hoped that really all people are now starting to sell off their video cameras and the price falls into the abyss, so that I can go sausausaubillig into the "prosumer" league.
Mama's allotment as determined looks a lot better.
(; Still, there's not even FX7/FX1 used in significant SUBTOTAL)
Antwort von PUDU:
Hi Alex,
The 5D is (; viewed with reason) does not determine the best camera for weddings and filming. I am not a wedding videographers, and it might not be synonymous. Since, however, has s.Samstag married my best friend, I could not refuse him a request to hold the entire cinematically.
I had long wondered whether I sure do not take my XH-A1, since the purchase my 5D dust in front of him. Da 1 not beat the quality of the 5D, and is easy to ich 2 photograph synonymous and 2 cameras did not drag, the choice fell on the MarkII.
Main problem was obviously put in the general bustle of the sharpness thither where it belongs. Another problem were the other photographers, with their camera flashes on the rolling shutter ugly way brought to bear.
The 30fps will benefit one way, if you want's make in post-production still a nice schmaltzy slow motion.
The bottom line is sometimes quite useful pictures came out when.
However, I do not know if I would take the risk if I would do professionally throughout the ...
Still, I'd go back to the 5D.
Antwort von WideScreen:
Beautifully made synonymous if I believe that it is more a collage s.Eindrücken a wedding. But good.
The sharpness is in fact a few times next to it, but that's no wonder, without focus, the wizard goes with so its low depth of field at all.
Since not see the advantage of a D5. Sorry. A real wedding video to make with JA-word and the whole gelaber by the priests, since one can ever forget the photograph alongside. As I said for the film fetishists tielweise that may be interesting, but the camera is not an all-rounder .... The egg-laying wollmichsau not gibts.
Antwort von PUDU:
@ WideScreen:
Honestly, I have never seen a wedding movie, so I do not know how sowas should normally look like. :)
You're absolutely right: A wedding documentary with the 5D is not done.
A rather funny problem is that people are taking the face of a camera car, a rigid posture and wait for that "click makes.
Antwort von pilskopf:
Wedding videos always consist of 1000 incisions where one sees nothing, ner suspended 20 times, the camera spins around the bride and groom, the bride with the bride and slow rides hired by the beautiful Mercedes. : D This music from the depths of the unsuccessful musician. The whole cut to length 3:30. Sun seems to me at least, but I do not know if ichs would do differently.
A rather funny problem is that people are taking the face of a camera car, a rigid posture and wait for that "click makes. lol, I immediately think.
Antwort von WideScreen:
Think this can be a real problem when people are waiting in front of the camera onto birdie:)
Have synonymous made no wedding film (and I would never think could synonymous), but anyone was yes. Very well.
Antwort von Daigoro:
If you are interested in the outcome, can you pull the clip here:
The pictures are pretty, no question.
For 'scenic' filmmakers certainly a class alternative - there we have a lot in, what else do you need with expensive Spezialzubehoer or in the Post and at an attractive price.
Nevertheless, I can see the unique features of the camera is not brilliant - could be because this is the clip only 720p and therefore much of the original is lost or there is no real LowLight situations.
I would, from now-slightly longer and some privately-eigenverschuldet Spanking Veranstaltungsfilmerei, synonymous, rather, one 'Event documents' more win if you are thinking ahead to a future good result to make movies literary terms (; story, characters, " be tension, continuity - we must not Hollywood, not even Sat1FilmFilmFilm, but you remember, was where and where not thought about it - even the unsuspecting viewers), rather than thriving and destructive attempt to capture 'pretty pictures'. They will quickly become boring.
Antwort von raymaker:
Underline Daigoros contribution.
Pictures are nice - but so far it is no longer with the 5D is realized as "pretty pictures". But that should come hopefully.
By the way ... I am not the only one of the overall look especially great place? This has something like a plastic ... which runs through each 5D video.
Antwort von pilskopf:
Yep, looks at least not for film but after Stillimage. Just very realistic and less "fantastic". But just always comes to the videos on it s.wie yes synonymous reworked. I would like the Optics and like to trade against the HC9. : D
Antwort von PowerMac:
What a stupid discussion! Awful. No tail is interested in the camera. Here are some camera-types somehow made an end in itself. Good, the Canon can sometimes make nice pictures. Great, then we will soon see only crappy movies with a pretty picture with a high depth of field. Moreover, no one can take during a wedding at 35mm focus, and certainly not so that you get a good slice images of all key situations. That can not synonymous César Charlone including best focus puller in the world. So, what's the point? To make films! And do not forget the damn camera. Go out into the world, or rather drama-attended seminars.
Antwort von PUDU:
By the way ... I am not the only one of the overall look especially great place? This has something like a plastic ... which runs through each 5D video. I do not think that one can speak of one 5D-look. The 5D has the ability to video cameras with very little depth of field work. Of which is synonymous made very happy to use what synonymous, incidentally is the reason why many screws as a 35mm lens in front of the prosthesis. If you prefer, without the sharpness of focus arises not at first the question of whether he uses something like a wedding with a DSLR.
What is at issue in that thread is still: Does a DSLR to shoot at events make sense? My answer would be: No, utter nonsense. Absolutely unprofessional. I have not done it yet and maybe I'd do it again ... But only if I feel like in this case more about "pretty pictures", as concerns a factual documentary.
Antwort von Daigoro:
I do not think that one can speak of one 5D-look. The 5D has the ability to video cameras with very little depth of field work. Of which is synonymous made very happy to use ... Is more than that
Koennte s.den are presets of the camera, it works like the Image Processor, s.den 30 FPS ... what always synonymous, but many of the movies I've seen so far to have this particular 'look' .. And that's not only s.35mm/DoF.
Antwort von raymaker:
By the way ... I am not the only one of the overall look especially great place? This has something like a plastic ... which runs through each 5D video.
I do not think that one can speak of one 5D-look. The 5D has the ability to video cameras with very little depth of field work. Of which is synonymous made very happy to use what synonymous, incidentally is the reason why many screws as a 35mm lens in front of the prosthesis. If you prefer, without the sharpness of focus arises not at first the question of whether he uses something like a wedding with a DSLR.
It is zero at the DOF. It helps to look to the camera has nothing to in my eyes.
Alone of her look, I'd rather work with 35mm adapters, as with the 5D. Not at least spit licked material.
Antwort von SammyGray:
Hui ... because it is not a day online and off we go ;-)
And one does not need to work übrigends of constantly with low Tiefenschräfe ner. Aperture down and everything is easy sharp! So you can turn any x synonymous arbitrary Genere.
... Weddings synonymous go super: http://www.vimeo.com/2542789
Video smit large depth of field:
http://www.vimeo.com/3334178 (; amateur)
http://www.vimeo.com/4685373 (; look professional - is essential!)
Übrigends resolved the issue with the dominant black and white already.
Somehow it seems so to me that some people here feel very pissed my leg. Either because they are naive and / or are jealous. It reminds me a bit s.The Mac vs. PC discussion:-D
Oh yes ... Popcorn is ready :-)
Antwort von Daigoro:
Somehow it seems so to me that some people here feel very pissed my leg. Either because they are naive and / or are jealous. The mine owner Eos Lens Blur wuerd se make it the next James Cameron? , P
Antwort von SammyGray:
Somehow it seems so to me that some people here feel very pissed my leg. Either because they are naive and / or are jealous.
The mine owner Eos Lens Blur wuerd se make it the next James Cameron? , P A few .. but not all. The same could you say to
all owners 35mm adapter. Find ich toll, the uncertainty - as long as you do not overdo it.
Antwort von Daigoro:
A few .. but not all. The same could you say to all owners 35mm adapter.
The .. We ermm .. are simply spin-on Cameron. : D
Find ich toll, the uncertainty - as long as you do not overdo it. I find it relatively easy (; and with relatively I mean relatively - to the area of application) without interest, for the (here, and not just here) is written so much about it.
Antwort von raymaker:
http://www.vimeo.com/3334178 (; amateur)
http://www.vimeo.com/4685373 (; look professional - is essential!)
Übrigends resolved the issue with the dominant black and white already.
Somehow it seems so to me that some people here feel very pissed my leg. Either because they are naive and / or are jealous. It reminds me a bit s.The Mac vs. PC discussion:-D
Oh yes ... Popcorn is ready :-) You try desperately to convince us that the DSLR is superior to all, many here say to me, either no preference or useful for scenic shooting, for larger projects, however, no alternative.
You try, as in the other thread to show and for videos, so you can hear like "your camera is cool." Strangely, the remains off.
This is just a camera. Come on down boy.
Antwort von Daigoro:
... For larger projects, however, no alternative Also, and perhaps even primarily for the ambitious home movies no alternative, the ueberlegt perhaps few thousands stuck in ne * good * video camera * to.
(And I even Mach synonymous for a long time but so far the money is mostly in the film to end-so 's family holiday in the distance is expensive: (- and shed much the equipment:)
* 3000, - Eur plusminus is indeed a very attractive price.
Antwort von SammyGray:
http://www.vimeo.com/3334178 (; amateur)
http://www.vimeo.com/4685373 (; look professional - is essential!)
Übrigends resolved the issue with the dominant black and white already.
Somehow it seems so to me that some people here feel very pissed my leg. Either because they are naive and / or are jealous. It reminds me a bit s.The Mac vs. PC discussion:-D
Oh yes ... Popcorn is ready :-)
You try desperately to convince us that the DSLR is superior to all, many here say to me, either no preference or useful for scenic shooting, for larger projects, however, no alternative.
You try, as in the other thread to show and for videos, so you can hear like "your camera is cool." Strangely, the remains off.
This is just a camera. Come on down boy. Wrong. Why should I convince anyone?
Bring me ja nix ...
So I'm not a Jehovah's Witness or a halt Witness canyons.
Ich finds just very funny that this property are said to have neither hand nor foot.
Still gets funny how people here so excited about it.
Actually, it's better that fewer people use the camera. Diversity is always good. Would be synonymous boring if all have the same camera. Just like the iPhone .. so what everyone must have - terrible.
I add to show's only video in, the opposite of the allegations.
I, as a hobby-Amateuer Hinterwäldfilmer'm perfectly happy with it.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Wrong. Why should I convince anyone?
Bring me ja nix ...
So I'm not a Jehovah's Witness or a halt Witness canyons.
No? p
- Freedom for the Canon EOS 5D Mark II --
On 02 June 2009 is National Day:-D Still gets funny how people here so excited about it. That was only the PowerMac. The is just like that.
Probably similar to ne texted reply synonymous get, if you do how much little corner of sugar into his tea, he wants to ask.
Antwort von raymaker:
Ich finds just very funny that this property are said to have neither hand nor foot.
Still gets funny how people here so excited about it.
Actually, it's better that fewer people use the camera. Diversity is always good. Would be synonymous boring if all have the same camera. Just like the iPhone .. so what everyone must have - terrible.
I add to show's only video in, the opposite of the allegations.
I, as a hobby-Amateuer Hinterwäldfilmer'm perfectly happy with it. Very quietly. I see no s.Ausrasten. You probably want to see what s.Ausrasten.
It is the Cam has ne ne nice depth of field, but no video camera. That's it, that's kind of consensus. As yet subscribe to thousands of refilling your videos to have confirmation. Is worse than at Apple as a behavior.
Antwort von SammyGray:
Well sounds like at least some of its text content to aggressive.
Maybe I'm just too good mood since yesterday.
One likes to wait:)
But we begrudge our fun.
Your so you must not take everything so seriously synonymous:)
So just breathe and beautiful views is good.
Some certainly enjoy s.den videos. I found them in places, or especially because of the great depth of field really nice.
I'll go drink a coffee time .. 've already Genung gespamt.
Tschö:-D
Antwort von Daigoro:
Well sounds like at least some of its text content to aggressive.
Do you have the Hoerbuchversion the Forum? , P
Antwort von gammanagel:
Hello,
A wedding film with only several SLR? Surely you have more experience than me, but the customer usually wants a long film with Yes-word and the words of the priests and of the registrar. I'll leave the ex-1 in the long shots and movies (with second camera, FX-1) of the hand. Will the DSLR undergo an hour?.
Can you respond with the DSLR so quickly when Aunt Agnes suddenly and unannounced running up from the last corner of the banquet hall for the wedding is an old grandfather clock given to?
Pudud `s Hochzeitsclip is beautiful but not a customer pays for it 500 ¬, which would precisely a minute documentary of 30-60, and I the difference to the 1 / 2 inch chip from the ex-en (; focal length and aperture open, of course) does not soo huge find.
14 days ago at a Rotary had a photographer here who has photographed and filmed with the DX5. The films were not so doll-sharpness, pans not clean, not because of the DSLR but because of getting used to handling.
mfg
Elimar
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
Ohje,
a "complete" rubbish - certainly you can shoot with the Canon5D a wedding - nice follow focus, tripod - Departure! And (in my case, 3 x Canon 5D) is one one on the "long shot" - done!
If you then still has enough good Lenses - very easy! So you see, there are proponents / opponents of the DSLR's and advocate. Let him do all what he wants, thinks fit, and tolerate one's own pocket, and all are served in their own way and happy.
I myself have, at least with a SonyEX3 here direct Comparison and yet it has not prevented me 2 other Canon 5D included in the assortment.
It is not so much comes to mold, but more around the craft and who can use it is synonymous get from a Canon 5D fantastic results, which do not run with 00:30 on YouTube a tree, two leaves which blow in the wind, or of the domestic Animal Show.
That is what it is "a CONCEPT to have" and when I plan a wedding in advance, I evaluate the "on site" situation and the wishes of the customer and then do not come any big surprises on and even if, one has ( , at least for us), a Canon 5D as a backup and can be synonymous to catch it, so it comes to crafts, the concept and the eye for the essentials.
Give a noob EX3 one in hand, filming the garbage etc and it just depends on balance synonymous "garbage" out there - very simple.
Gruss
Alex.
Antwort von PowerMac:
The clip is not good at all. The music of Yann Tiersen's stolen from Amelie, the clip is jerky and shows just senseless Row Impressions of a wedding. This is the work of a photographer: it is a picture collage, recognizable s.den panels, which move at the photos. But some pictures are beautiful. Is filmmaking now because a few nice pictures of are the current hippest Camera mean?
Antwort von krokymovie:
I must give you right, who are familiar with his equipment, which "may" synonymous
good shots
gruß
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
The clip is not good at all. The music of Yann Tiersen's stolen from Amelie, the clip is jerky and shows just senseless Row Impressions of a wedding. This is the work of a photographer: it is a picture collage, recognizable s.den panels, which move at the photos. But some pictures are beautiful. Is filmmaking now because a few nice pictures of are the current hippest Camera mean? thus,
I'm still the "in principle" above and not related to the Beispielclip - I say "Yes, it is possible prime Shots / Fillmer / scenes with implementing the Canon 5D, which camcorders inferior in a different price segment, in nothing" and it comes just on the craft s.and not just related to tool.
Give me a trowel, a few stones, a vibrator, crane etc, and yet s.end is no house, because you do not know - has to act as one, so the result s.end true and I see it as synonymous here ...
I say this only in principle, the Canon 5D can rock when the where the synonymous use white it is not just of time alone, just because the film look (and a part of it arises with respect to depth of field ... etc) ...
Gruss
Alex.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
....
Give me a trowel, a few stones, a vibrator, crane etc, and yet s.end is no house, because you do not know - has to act as one, so the result is true ..... s.end NA SAY - that you should already have "cooked" - then go at least as much as I find the manual benefit of 3 Video DSLRs classify as too sensitive.
Well, everyone needs to know himself as he builds his political "Häus` ";-)
MfG
B. DeKid
