Frage von Kallexxx:
Hello
I know the question has several times been so similar - but it is otherwise.
I will be for 4 weeks in the U.S.. There, I really wanted the latest SonyHDTV camcorder HDR-SR12 growth, since these are the cheap $ course affordable.
Unfortunately, yes this is known as NTSC Color.
What makes the HDTV but from?
If I use the camcorder directly via HDMI cable s.meinen Flat TV connected? or recording on DVD-Brenne and then watch?
What opportunities are there?
Who can help me?
My call to Sony Germany was as expected of course, disagree - can cause problems with the code that HDTV is not the same Germany-USA, etc.
Who can help me - worth the purchase or rather fingers.
Thank you
Kalle
Antwort von PowerMac:
There is nothing else than for the other questions on the subject.
There is no NTSC Color. There is only one other frequency. If this adjustment, all is well. If not, then everything is bad. Sometimes this could be synonymous, but over the shutter regulate. Nevertheless, you have the wrong frequency with generally too much problems. These problems definitely overwhelm amateurs. Lies and not just ask! There are thousands of pages relating to frequency converter and interpolated.
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Kalle.
I want only the core of your question, because many will probably still occur, based on the legal and financial issues than before. But that was not the question.
So long as the camera either 1080i25 (old spelling: I50) or 1080p25 or 720p25/50 can you will have no difficulty to operate them here. The power supplies of everything anyway tolerated 100-240 volts and they are synonymous clock 50 or 60 Hz.
Most television / monitors and a fortiori the PC's can be synonymous 60 images / sec to process. So synonymous since you'll have no difficulty in the device to operate.
Because you want HDMI, I no longer assume that you want to make analog operation and NTSC is an analog standard.
So much for your technical question.
Antwort von Markus (unangemeldet):
... worth the purchase ... See here:
Antwort von WoWu:
The problem, however, synonymous with a camera bought in Germany unchanged.
Antwort von Kallexxx:
Hello
first thank for the quick reply.
So theoretically there should be no problem to the Camera s.meinen Philipps TV with 1080i and adapter to look?
Any code issues, there is not - as Sonysagte ....
the tv `s, the device does not recognize or so ...
Thank you
Antwort von WoWu:
I know 'now your TV, but it just shows whether the camera 1080i/25 bzw.50 record and the TV has these values agree .... then das .. as long as Sony is nothing proprietary in the codec, but then the synonymous a German model. It is the fundamental question whether the HDR SR12 with a non-Sony TV works. But I am sure that Jan (here in the forum) you can answer.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Operate and use are two different things. With the 60-frequency camera flickers the 50 world.
Antwort von WoWu:
I do not know any of the new cameras, which only have 30 or 60p. Most have 25 or just 50p.
And the flicker problem arises naturally synonymous with a camera purchased in Germany, when 60p is used here, is not a US-specific problem but buying just a user error.
Antwort von PowerMac:
It is about those of Sony HDR SR12. 50 Hz, according to Sony-Page with the U.S. version does not, an adjustable shutter, however.
Antwort von Jan:
I am not a TV professional, but many current LCD units available here, not only with 720 P / 1080 I / P 50 Hz but synonymous with 720 P / 1080 I / P 60 Hz work.
Sony's xv Color - changed color - (SR 12) supports more synonymous Panasonic (LCD, the current equipment), but do not hold any company that must be noted.
Yes with NTSC has nothing to do, it's just a standard analogue television - there knows WoWu good.
Since I am not yet 60 Hz HD camera shipped here s.einem Television able to test - is synonymous with a little speculation.
The cameras work on the pond but with 60 Hz, the current Canon VIXIA HV 30 (USA) may for example reflect the following format: 1080/60i, 1080/24p, 1080/30F, 1080/24F and 1080/30p.
Who has a SonyHVR Z 1 at home?
The can in 50 and 60 Hz to record - so that would be a quick test. That should be synonymous to "best" HD Camera, the 50 Hz or 60 Hz in a recording device offers.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
I look at the specs gewühlt and strange as sony gives U.S. no more image formats to ...
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665291496
Whatever the means now synonymous again.
In any case, I have already a few cameras had U.S. because they are usually only half a year later in Germany task and they have always expected to be able to operate. In the first HD1 was just 30p (but there was nothing more synonymous). But where 25p is synonymous draufsteht 25 p drin. So I say, Kalle aims to compare two values. If they match, he can be sure that it works.
You have the values just found ... in any case are in the osSpecs. not much .... Another Sony mystery.
I can do so without further info synonymous not crack ...
Where you get this info because times come from?
Jan, since you have a source?
Antwort von WoWu:
So I must say in all honesty, I would make aback when given no indication as to the format and more are in the playback HDMI is that it only works with komp.Tv ... if that is not SonyAlleinritt ... Sonymal and again only with Sonyfunktioniert.
Would not the first time.
Antwort von Dextromethorphan:
At least there are times
Video Signal System:
NTSC color, EIA standards
Antwort von WoWu:
well, but that is likely to affect the analog output relate ... But HDMI is not interesting.
Antwort von Kallexxx:
So on the Sony-Page
http://www.sonystyle.com/... there is nothing to what standard
like next?
Edit from Mod: Link shortened.
Antwort von Badd:
I do not know any of the new cameras, which only have 30 or 60p. Most have 25 or just 50p.
And the flicker problem arises naturally synonymous with a camera purchased in Germany, when 60p is used here, is not a US-specific problem but buying just a user error. That is the assumption correct that s.gewählten device consists 50Hz/60Hz switch. Is this not the case, and in a consumer device such as the SR12 is hardly the case, and filming is artificial / fluorescent tubes with 60Hz with a 50i camera or vice versa, then flickers the matter very well. As has PowerMac absolutely right. Steer clear of them.
Antwort von Badd:
... and after we are now technically in a kind of deadlock, it would be s.der time, sometimes about taxes, and guarantee Inch to speak ... this should be the questioner then quickly convince you!
Antwort von Badd:
Incidentally times another tip:
How much money you save?
Does it then in the absence of guarantee? VAT and import duty yet?
Believe not that the German customs officials are silly. Or do you want the box and the user manual in the U.S. throw away?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Anonymus
That is the assumption correct that s.gewählten device consists 50Hz/60Hz switch. Is this not the case, and in a consumer device such as the SR12 is hardly the case, and filming is artificial / fluorescent tubes with 60Hz with a 50i camera or vice versa, then flickers the matter very well. As has PowerMac absolutely right. Steer clear of them. Nothing else to say 25 bzw.30 images / sec. from and I thank you for the further confirmation of the already outlined.
Or, you know still cameras that do not run with DC voltage and internal "geclockt" are?
The monitors are now mostly multisync capability and are not synchronously s.den network frequencies.
However, it would indicate the lack of an adequate image synonymous reason the camera just in Germany to buy.
Antwort von Badd:
One can not of an "operator error" to speak, when a device discussed - the SR12 - the relevant button to switch on 60i/60p of 50i/25p do not have. That is just misleading.
And nothing has been the subject of the mixing of what Frequzenen with internal clocking or the supply of the device with DC voltage to be done.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... I do not know any of the new cameras, which only have 30 or 60p. Most have 25 or just 50p ... That would be new to me, but you never learn! Do you have time for a few examples from the consumer sector that we are going? So far, I know this only when Switchable professional equipment of the SonyZ1 s.aufwärts.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von PowerMac:
I see as synonymous. It just flickers all tubes, lamps and monitors.
Apart from this one has big problems with digital conversion to PAL. A bucking and obscurities - all consequences thereof. And not everyone in Europe, flat screen, the spectrum of American. Therefore not a good idea.
Antwort von WoWu:
I'm with you and somehow we will probably talk to each other .... I agree so completely synonymous with that 25 shots in a 30's environment leads to flicker .... and umgehkehrt.
Bernd, and with which I switched to different formats 25 or 30 or 50 or 60 per second (and everything in between) - Even with consumer cameras ..
And it does not matter whether I use the camera in the UK or elsewhere to buy.
S.diesem The unusual part is just that not a single picture is ... or can give me a say in what frame rate the camera records.
And the 60 Hz are interested only to the first switching transistor in the power supply, or up to its control range ... synonymous and since only very minor. Apparently this is only a semiotic problem.
And with the flicker is so totally agree ...
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... with which I switched to different formats 25 or 30 or 50 or 60 per second (and everything in between) - Even with consumer cameras ... So I already synonymous understood, just is not me just familiar consumer camera, the 25/50 and 30/60 as synonymous dominated. As I did, however, in the consumer sector is not very familiar, yes, I had demanded that the camcorder can.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
Bernd, good question ... I do not close, that the firms in the 30 countries synonymous instead of 25 like to take 24 ... That is why I have so synonymous recommended that care should be taken (and ensure) that dominates the Camera 25.
How to s.Jans example of HV 30 can see, makes the camera so synonymous everything, just instead of 25 to 24p.
Actually, there is the question anyway, why not do everything from 24p to make ... the only format where you can format with no transitional problems would have ... but that's another site.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... can give me a say in what frame rate the camera records ... According to the manual is designed for Europe version SR12E HD mode "AVCHD 1080/50i" on - everything else would be synonymous, however, been a surprise. In the Instructions of the NTSC model, I have not seen, but the chances are good that there be "60i" would.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Badd:
Well in most cases, the consumer devices in PAL-land probably have 50i or 25p, and NTSC country probably 30p or 60i. Switchable are not all the old Z1 was das
But because the Switchable not given, it is just not a good idea, such a device in the states to buy, if you primarily want to film in Europe. In addition to the inch, tax and warranty issues.
So forget the back.
Antwort von Jan:
In the American manual of SR 11 If:
Video signal NTSC color, EIA standards 1080 / 60 i!
If so, the devices i have 50 here 60 there i.
For the Canon HV 30 manual in America is nothing else.
The Z 1 is expected with great certainty, the best 50 / 60 i Camera, a camera Consumer, it really does not give.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Badd:
... can give me a say in what frame rate the camera records ...
According to the manual is designed for Europe version SR12E HD mode "AVCHD 1080/50i" on - everything else would be synonymous, however, been a surprise. We need to really discuss that in Europe 50i units sold? Shocking.
Antwort von WoWu:
again an anonymous bubble ....
It is always recommended not only the whole Tread synonymous to read but to try to understand before you ablässt such balloons.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bernd
Du hast mal 'nen link for the BA?, because the specs do not give her.
http://www.sony.de/...HDRSR12E... _________________
Good greetings, Wolfgang
Google it out: ISBN 978-3-00-023484-2
Edit from Mod: Link shortened.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... times have you 'nen link for the BA ... Sure, comes immediately:
http://support.sony-europe.com/manuals/manuals.aspx?l=de&searchModelName=HDR-SR12E&site=odw_de_DE&odw_model=HDR-SR12E
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
Sometimes things in life are not as they seem.
Bernd, thanks for the link ... I have the American Manual times out looking for:
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=HDRSR12&LOC=3
There are a few surprises in it:
Page 9:
"Your camcorder is compatible with AVCHD format" 1920x1080/50i ", which provides highly detailed, beautiful images." next below:
The default setting is 1440x1080/50i .... etc. On Page 79 they give a format HD / SD
1080i / 576i at. Is that now the international claim, or the "old" form?
On the subject of shutter is on Page 70:
When recording in dark places, the shutter speed is automatically reduced to 1 / 25 second (The default setting is (on)) Page 105:
Video signal: MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 1920x1080/50i, 1440x1080/50i And now you should understand that. And, this is the Manual of SonyUS, not the English translation of the German manual.
Either the wrong SonyUS Manual on the server, or there is the E ur version .... (which is synonymous not really be) ....
In any case, not everything is as clear as it can hope for ... and how the "bubble producers" to believe ....
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... I have the American Manual times sought out ... are a few surprises in it ... Either SonyUS the wrong manual on the server, or there is ur e version ... Clearly, I am not what is on the U.S. website to look, but under "Handycam Handbook" (which you probably do) is actually the instructions on the PAL version SR12E, which is not for the U.S. market that (it can be found for example in the manual no evidence of specific U.S. regulations).
Under the link "Operating Guide" is hiding on the other hand, a sort of quick guide to the NTSC version SR12 - without the "E" behind it. This is only of "60i" is mentioned, and the world adjusts again ;-)
Probably has Sonyim case of SR12E So probably the wrong manual for the U.S. for download.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
Something similar seems to me the most plausible synonymous ... but there is also synonymous currently just a guess.
The facts still speak against it, especially since it is not synonymous to identical documents. (D / U.S. (see cover)).
But that should enlighten his futile.
Let's do it again and place for the bubble producers ...
Bernd, Jan, thanks for the hints.
Antwort von Badd:
Sometimes things in life are not as they seem.
Bernd, thanks for the link ... I have the American Manual times out looking for:
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=HDRSR12&LOC=3
There are a few surprises in it:
Page 9:
"Your camcorder is compatible with AVCHD format" 1920x1080/50i ", which provides highly detailed, beautiful images."
next below:
The default setting is 1440x1080/50i .... etc.
On Page 79 they give a format HD / SD 1080i / 576i at. Is that now the international claim, or the "old" form?
On the subject of shutter is on Page 70:
When recording in dark places, the shutter speed is automatically reduced to 1 / 25 second (The default setting is (on))
Page 105:
Video signal: MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 1920x1080/50i, 1440x1080/50i
And now you should understand that. And, this is the Manual of SonyUS, not the English translation of the German manual.
Either the wrong SonyUS Manual on the server, or there is the E ur version .... (which is synonymous not really be) ....
In any case, not everything is as clear as it can hope for ... and how the "bubble producers" to believe .... So not even the correct manual will be found, read, let then correctly interpreted. Exactly at the link
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=HDRSR12&LOC=3
can be found under "operating guide" a pdf, with the following information:
Page 1:
Operating Guide ............. U.S. Page 34, Chapter
specification
Video signal: NTSC color, EIA standards
1080 / 60i specification Just because there synonymous another document there is, you should still be able to look s.der right place. And these are the technical specifications for a specific market. Sure, you can read and synonymous to the note you want synonymous.
How can you just seriously believe that in a market like the U.S. as a group Sony50i equipment sold. Absolute nonsense, such an assumption. But what others say about soap bubbles.
Antwort von WoWu:
Du bist schon ein toller Hecht .... Congratulations.
Antwort von Badd:
well, really smart, I'm still not become - so goes the U.S. version of this cam is most likely not for Europe ....
gibts denn ne other HD-Cam on the American market would be compatible or you prblemlos for the German market can take?
nem at $ 1.60 vin course now is the time really worth NEN.
Thank you
Kalle
Antwort von Badd:
What use you a dollar more attractive, if you import in the VAT and the inch after and then have to pay is still an unsettled situation warranty searched.
With this consideration should be so diffuse information on the compatibility already lead to a rethink!
Antwort von Kallexxx:
you really think that the tourists with every inch of the United States comes from the camcorder lookups exactly whether they have been taken on the spot or have been purchased.
In an e-price of 1400 ¬ to 1100 $ worth, I think so.
http://www.millenniumcamera.com/viewproduct.aspx?id=9844173
http://www.millenniumcamera.com/DisplayProducts.aspx?qu=pal
Incidentally, there I have the "E" version found
tion must consider and weigh, but think even with Inch worthwhile das ..
Kalle
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... so smart, I'm still not become ... I can understand ;-) So here again the most important thing in a nutshell: There are of the SR12 - as of any other Sony, Canon, Panasonic, JVC, etc. of the consumer class - different versions for different markets. In the current case, the SR12E for Europe with recording in PAL and 50i, as well as the SR12 (without "E") for the U.S. recording with NTSC and 60i. Switchable between the two standards are not - which is synonymous for all camcorders in this category.
... gibts denn ne other HD Cam on the American market would be compatible ...? Below the SonyZ1 no. However, large U.S. Dealers sometimes synonymous PAL models.
... in his $ 1.60-vin Course is now NEN times really worth ... At first glance, perhaps. Given the actual costs including tax and inch worth the virtually impossible - and this is true then synonymous for a U.S. purchase PAL Camera.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... even with www.millenniumcamera.com...denke Inch worthwhile das .. Then take a look before purchase times but prefer to customer evaluations to:
www.resellerratings.com / store / Millennium_Camera
A shop that is based on a scale of 0 to 10 only to 0.23 (!) Comes, I would not a single cent into the throat throw. Even fewer, I would seriously think the camera actually there for the advertised price to get ...
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Kallexxx:
hm, since you really right
this company has really bad reviews
Antwort von Jan:
I wanted to have something to say to our guests.
WoWu probably already know that here in 50 Hz and in the countries with 60 Hz is used. He only has not ruled out that cameras are here or there - which may support both systems.
This can sometimes be very dangerous, eg Sony50 Hz PAL cameras can be synonymous 60 Hz NTSC tapes correctly play via Firewire & Calculator to give - which is not synonymous in the instructions it has to stop know. Ok at 60 Hz with I can not absorb the Camera.
Panasonic PAL cameras - at least the Consumer - you will not like NTSC Picture show. I had the times a few years ago for a Japanese firm Snow Board need to test - each of 5 models of Canon, JVC and Panasonic wanted to NTSC tape that will not play, just the first Sony (HC 90) had absolutely no problem with that.
Well the SonyHVR Z 1 can record signals from both synonymous & playback.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Melingmeier:
I'm synonymous on whether I see a HDR-SR11 from the states bring. I do not quite understand why most here say it would be any problem when playing the recordings on European HD televisions give?
Each current LCD and plasma television on the German market can represent 50 and 60hz. Where is there a problem? The cam is connected via HDMI and everything should work wonderfully. Depending on how it should regulate Sonydas even better image quality combined with his (60 fields instead 50) ...
Antwort von PowerMac:
Congratulations. You have not synonymous understood that the world with 60-Hz cameras in a 50-Hz flicker country.
Antwort von andi62:
@ PM
50/60Hz with sun rays?
Antwort von andi62:
Why should a little flicker when the LCD 60hz the video plays in 60hz? That is not entirely clear to me. Because our European eyes then start to flicker, or what?
Antwort von andi62:
Anywhere where you have bulbs are of course the problem that the 50Hz with Your Camera and swinging from the bar bring.
Antwort von andi62:
ok, now I have the synonymous is accelerated. Then the Americans but have a huge problem with artificial light or synonymous, the other energy-saving lamps?
Antwort von PUDU:
Schön dfasss Dus "is accelerated" searched.
But
In Amiland gibts lamps with cameras 60Hz with 60Hz
When the Germans everything 50Hz
Fits not quite together.
Antwort von scotty24:
Anywhere where you have bulbs are of course the problem that the 50Hz with Your Camera and swinging from the bar bring. Danna I find strange, however, why all my shots in the USA with my Canon XM-1 (50hz 576i / p) never geflimmert Haen?
that would be synonymous if the allerdümmste I with an E in E Camera only countries could film - complete nonsense!
I will be synonymous to me within 3 days of the SR11 or 12 in the U.S. anyway because I buy only via HDMI or via a PC (editing) work.
The eizige what could be worse is that the codec yes 60 (30) frames per sec with the available data and process must not "just" 50 (25). Because I could imagine that there are measurable differences, or the "speed (more frames per sec) models average synonymous more bandwidth ....
Antwort von Markus:
With an NTSC camcorder in countries with 50 Hz mains frequency, especially in fluorescent tubes or light bulbs dimmed to a flicker. This is simple physics. How much of this expresses flicker or perceived, is a whole series of factors (such as setting options s.Camcorders, other light sources, personal right, the type of video output).
A PAL camcorder you can, if the manufacturer has provided on 1 / 60 s exposure time, and then flickers synonymous in the United States nothing. Conversely, it may be technical reasons s.einem NTSC camcorder but no 1 / 50 s exposure time to artificial light for local conditions but is highly required.
Cross-reference:
Antwort von kafix2008:
you really think that the tourists with every inch of the United States comes from the camcorder lookups exactly whether they have been taken on the spot or have been purchased. Yes again a super-smart! The Inch must not look or ask, it is enough if you have the output go green. Then asked. The passing of the green shield with a duty Camera is already the offense.
And that is synonymous for many more years in which you have to inch through the ... in 2008 smuggled a camera you will be synonymous with a check in 2010 pp. still problems.
But only. Would not the first.
