Newsmeldung von slashCAM:Hier geht es zur Newsmeldung: SonyNEX-VG10 - camcorder with APS sensor and interchangeable lenses
Antwort von JonasB:
Looks quite small from ... you will Canon or Nikon Lenses can adapt? I hope the thing will have a lot of buttons s.Gehäuse, so you do not flounder in the display menu has ...
I still can not imagine that the thing will flop ...'m curious ...
MFG
Jonah
Antwort von jwd96:
I think there will be destined for other adapter Lenses (or is it already?)
So what I've always wanted. A small camcorder with handles, and an APS-C sensor.
Now I only hope that the thing has an XLR connector. When the size but not likely.
Incidentally, this is called Quad Micro Capsule Stereo Microphone Array Spatial, funny name!
Antwort von the_flasher:
what about with the Auto-Focus. Manual Focusing gives me with my 550D a few problems.
Message theflasher
Antwort von jwd96:
According fotointern.ch the thing has a "silent autofocus and Super SteadyShot
The page is quite informative:
Antwort von stefanf:
Wow ....
That's something really good ... Learned a lot from the past.
Especially with Blitzschuh.Genau the right thing for event and reportage and synonymous film.
Above the top class of the camcorder and below the large handle men.
There is nothing really was.
And the Canon XL2 will cost ¬ 2,500 now needed then synonymous probably sold off only because the Vortil of the lens / depth of field is then removed.
Antwort von Zaaacharias:
Is definitely a step in the right direction.
I'm skeptical:
Since I have great lenses and a super large sensor and then recorded in AVCHD but with 24 Mbps - and I probably synonymous Sonykenne still interlaced ...
Antwort von Macaroni:
The NEX-VG10E films video recordings in a Full HD 1920 x 1080 pixels Resolutionvon (1080i) and in the FX mode with a bit rate of 24 Mbps. Oioioihh!
Antwort von jwd96:
Right, in interlaced. That scares me, unfortunately, somewhat. I do not interlaced. This gave me only problems, and the Cinema-look, it does nothing synonymous.
But I would have expected a more expensive price, not only 2000 ¬
Antwort von stefanf:
beautiful is synonymous, that is equal to a 18-200. This is one of WW to zoom all this. Unfortunately, not so much detail information in terms of unions, for example, what a micro input and what is with LANC?
Antwort von jwd96:
However, on
Antwort von micky91:
If you consider that people who wanted to get a Bokeh (without using a DSLR), about 1000 ¬ have to spend only for the adapter and have then bought Lenses ...
Antwort von Kevinovicz:
Comparison to the EOS models probably a step in the right direction in terms of usability.
As I see quite a lot of "I-must-always-have-now-the latest-" people sink their 550s in the bay in order to get a new "toy" that they then beat again just three days happy because they are filming for sheer test charts, looking for Alias | Wavefront Mayaing, sound-and-accessories Rig Buy, etc. forget the most important thing in the matter ...
Antwort von stefanf:
However, on
Antwort von lilbarby:
The cam looks very chic and stylish from.
But 1080i is the Middle Ages.
This innovative video camera, they can immediately put them into the shredder.
Antwort von campool:
Waitin 'for Hobby Movie ...
Antwort von jwd96:
In the graphic on the Nex-VG10 accessories, which is synonymous to see the fotointern.ch Page, you can see a Micro, which has a mini-latch input, so I am assuming that the camcorder's mini-jack input has.
http://www.fotointern.ch/wp-uploads/2010/07/Sony-NEX-VG10E-accessoriesübersicht.pdf
Antwort von Kevinovicz:
Chic and stylish? Maybe.
Arbeitstauglich? Well ...
Where s.diesem "handle" you pack for the Camera? Front s.Micro? Rear? Looks to me this mockup almost as if the thing made for little hands.
Where are the manual controls?
However, for this price you can not "professional features" such as XLR inputs and require LANC jack.
If the first "excitement" is resolved and all the disciples are supplied, then there is the Pro version.
Antwort von Kevinovicz:
Waitin 'for Hobby Movie ...
Haha!
That I had when writing my posts synonymous think straight!
;-)
Antwort von jwd96:
I think it will in any case a Pro version, if the child passes through.
Antwort von Jott:
But 1080i is the Middle Ages.
No, that is present. HD-TV will be made worldwide with 1080i, is now sometimes the other. For a mass product will do Sonyeinen devil, because not take part.
1080p25 would be nice and useful addition been.
Antwort von DeeZiD:
For 2000, ¬ would be a one 1080p24, p25, p30 and 720p24, 25,30,50,60 but may be expected?
Canon shows how to do it right.
Without these modes can Sonydie Camera I know where to push.
Just a shame something like that. : (
Antwort von jwd96:
For 2000, ¬ would be a one 1080p24, p25, p30 and 720p24, 25,30,50,60 but may be expected?
Canon shows how to do it right.
Without these modes can Sonydie Camera I know where to push.
Just a shame something like that. : (
It must be remembered that this camera is not meant for professionals, but for consumers who want a shallow depth and interchangeable lenses.
The interested not know how they absorb the material. Usually they get it so not even with. Select in their editing program 1080i25, the Picture will appear in the deinterlaced editing program, and s.end on the DVD does it synonymous beautiful.
In the Professional version as a camera, one could expect such a thing.
Antwort von radamanthis:
Interesting discussion. Times has someone on the retail price under
http://www.sony.de/product/cam-high-definition-on-memory-stick/nex-vg10e
seen.
EUR 4399, -
Antwort von jwd96:
Hmmm,
On all the sites I've read through my 2000 was ¬ or 1999 ¬
Antwort von Kevinovicz:
Interesting discussion. Times has someone on the retail price under
http://www.sony.de/product/cam-high-definition-on-memory-stick/nex-vg10e
seen.
EUR 4399, -
Ahem ...
And I thought, well fine, then yes, Panasonic will put a little bit under pressure. But so ...
Antwort von stefanf:
Interesting discussion. Times has someone on the retail price under
http://www.sony.de/product/cam-high-definition-on-memory-stick/nex-vg10e
seen.
EUR 4399, -
In fact ... Since there really is.
That's really painful times.
That is simply not professional Genung. Only lenses bring it not there.
- No LANC
- No XLR
- No multi-track audio
- Hardly interfaces and expansion possibilities for more
- "Small" display (as Compared to the sony 550s with 3.5 ")
Very surprising ... Rather than a gadget for people who want to have something like that.
Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:
I see no real advantage over the 550D. How about because with the depth of field? Comparable with the 550D + let's say the standard lens EF 18-135 f3.5-6.5 IS AF?
Otherwise, I would see as only a price difference of just under ¬ 3500 ;-)
Antwort von Valentino:
That with the half-images is a bit more complicated.
If the camera technology to record only 25 frames really internal, are as synonymous with a 1080 50i recording no more fluid from 50 fields.
For each picture is divided into two fields, almost any NLE can create it again later since 1080 25p, in which it combines the two fields to a full screen.
That was to get to tape recording of the standard by 24 times, 25 or 30 pictures at a 50i/60i recording on the tape. This is labeled SonyHDCAM, DVCPro HD and HDV (in part) and is usually the case with Psf (Progressive Segmentet frame).
Why does Sonydas but in its solid state camcorder is actually explained only by the fact that they are not "competition" to their flagship F35.
What do you want the one with all Halbformatchip?
Even if the autofocus is fairly clean, which is one or the other amateur filmmakers completely overwhelming.
This then lean 24Mbit AVCHD, as should provide the Canons with the nearly 50Mbit a much better picture. Then the dollar price to convert 1:1 is just outrageously. This is when the big Sony cameras to not synonymous made. Because the customer feels in Europe, but ripped?
My last Sonydie I have bought me privately, will very likely remain the HC1. After that things then just a Scarlet into the house.
Antwort von jwd96:
Advantages are the shape, Henkel => less camera shake, a real autofocus, better editable Compression (EOS clips usually have to first convert) is not limited recording time of 30min, not bad as in the AGC 7D (hopefully) ...
Antwort von jwd96:
Also of interest: http://tinyurl.com/3amer7f
the USD price has not changed. Which is still higher at $ 1999th
A frechheit!
Antwort von Ian:
More than 4000 ¬, the Camera will always remain in the box.
Antwort von pailes:
This then lean 24Mbit AVCHD, as should provide the Canons with the nearly 50Mbit a much better picture.
The data rate is on the DSLRs only reason why so high because they have no dedicated hardware encoder, as is the case in real camcorder. A real encoder can erziehlen with 24Mbit / s a much better result than a sloppy encoder implemented on Stillimage underpowered hardware.
Antwort von Jott:
The price is 2000Dollar/Euro (provisional price list). That's okay with the conversion, the U.S. price is indeed without stories and taxes on the other hand, given Europe's Included (because consumer product). The difference is thus only around 100 EUR, but we then place the local warranty service and, above all synonymous 50fps 60th No Aufreger.
Antwort von cebros:
In the official press release is synonymous of 1999 EUR, the speech, which would correspond to the synonymous conventional pricing in some
http://presscentre.sony.eu/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseID=6057&NewsAreaId=2
Antwort von Valentino:
I see no real advantage over the 550D. How about because with the depth of field? Comparable with the 550D + let's say the standard lens EF 18-135 f3.5-6.5 IS AF?
Otherwise, I would see as only a price difference of just under ¬ 3500 ;-)
The depth of field is the same as the 550D, since both cameras with an APS-C sensor as standard.
For this purpose the camera will probably go for about ¬ 1600 over the counter. Thus, it will be only 1000 ¬ and you get a camera händelbare very likely no ugly moiré effects and similar childhood illnesses bring with itself.
Antwort von musicmze:
here the first Test Video
http://www.vimeo.com/13323632
Antwort von NEEL:
Cute Cam, but I open up the scope is not yet. 1080i is not filmerfreundlich and AVCHD is not (yet) senderfreundlich. Maybe leave the station with time so as to reasonably regular AVCHD recording format, as they have done with earlier times with DV, which was not developed as synonymous Pro format. In any case, suitable for Panasonic's new mill put up in price a bit under pressure.
Antwort von jwd96:
In any case, suitable for Panasonic's new mill put up in price a bit under pressure.
Well, now comes to the price of it. I'm curious if you have to shell out s.end ¬ 1,999 or ¬ 4,399.
Antwort von xandix:
The thing as a professional version (that is, as "NXCAM") well with 25P and 50i and with XLR and LANC and whatever else for the prosumer, then may draufstehen 3499, - ¬ gross.
Just as she is now she may 1999, - ¬ gross cost. Otherwise no one buys.
Greeting
Antwort von pilskopf:
Visually a treat this thing. Maybe my next camera, one I'm looking forward to the first tests and reports.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... I wonder if you have to shell out ¬ 1999 or ¬ 4399 ... ...
For over 4000 euro such a camera would be unsaleable, and since the only source for this amount is a known error-prone Sony website, I would be not much on it: The VG10 will cost under 2000 ¬. Angry would be if it had waived Sonywirklich a LANC jack (or something similar with the same function), but this was impractical because it will hopefully not.
Antwort von Valentino:
here the first Test Video
http://www.vimeo.com/13323632
Nice video for Camera, synonymous s.end the depth of field effect when he describes a little inaccurate.
The Focal must at the same image sensor and a larger APS-C, of course, be longer than a camera with 1 / 3 "sensor.
This here is a good article relating to focal length and sensor size:
Antwort von Mac4ever1950:
This then lean 24Mbit AVCHD, as should provide the Canons with the nearly 50Mbit a much better picture.
The data rate is on the DSLRs only reason why so high because they have no dedicated hardware encoder, as is the case in real camcorder. A real encoder can erziehlen with 24Mbit / s a much better result than a sloppy encoder implemented on Stillimage underpowered hardware.
Anyone who views the data rate at ServusTV looks that send with 1080i, and provide for their live-plane race quite handsome and sharp low-artifact images, which come from 24Mbit sufficient.
Clear that there can be artifacts, but they will not be serious and to broadcast HD material, it should always rich yet (and the dedicated amateur with a camera). In this respect, not so unreasonable. Nevertheless, 25p would be better, but if internal read is actually 25p, can, as already written, the editing program, if necessary, to join the line numbers identical fields again.
Antwort von musicmze:
So I find this part quite nice for the price. Ifs then fold improvement in the fall we could have videos already thinking about it (when it sticks to its 2000)
Antwort von pailes:
Nevertheless, 25p would be better, but if internal read is actually 25p, can, as already written, the editing program, if necessary, to join the line numbers identical fields again.
'm Totally in your opinion, 1080i-only is an absolute no-go.
Antwort von Jott:
"Video *
" FX: 1920 x 1080i @ 24Mbps
" FH: 1920 x 1080i @ 16Mbps
" MP4: 1440 x 1080i @ 9Mbps
Frame rate *
" 60fps (59.94 fps) - North American models
" 50fps - European models
* Image Sensor Captured s.30p (29.97p), Recorded in AVCHD 60i (59.94i) format "
It all sounds confusing, but could hide behind it in Europe next model already synonymous 50i 25p, the latter is then recorded on 50i, which would be totally okay, as already noted above.
Antwort von Harald_123:
Nevertheless, 25p would be better, but if internal read is actually 25p, can, as already written, the editing program, if necessary, to join the line numbers identical fields again.
'm Totally in your opinion, 1080i-only is an absolute no-go.
There are no identical fields and it is certainly true for Umdeklaration in NLE 25p. As synonymous with the NEX-5.
For me a reason not to buy them. The time Resolutionvon 25p is for me totally unsatisfactory, as I have after a few attempts with my NEX-5 again noticed times.
Unruckeliges 50p FHD before, please!
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Valentino
The Focal must at the same image sensor and a larger APS-C, of course, be longer than a camera with 1 / 3 "sensor.
I've never seen a camcorder in which the equivalent focal length was not specified. To that extent he is right.
Nevertheless, 25p would be better, but if internal read is actually 25p, can, as already written, the editing program, if necessary, to join the line numbers identical fields again.
Perhaps it would be time s.der time to use features that AVC offers to process namely a interlaced picture, only the parts, which are synonymous bring benefits. AVC can handle that is both in one picture, instead of always bludgeon the whole picture through the very old method.
Only s.neuen Sonynatürlich procedure deserves nothing.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello slashCAM,
it had worked on blow blow ......
Here's the original promotion video SonyNEX VG 10 with some other views and images of Zeiss optics and O-Sound. Unfortunately, these are not the HD Promo quality.
Antwort von rush:
G'd evening,
So arguing about taste can be known - I can not find the Camera special sexy ... but that is not synonymous yes:)
To me the camera again as a pimped-HXR MC50 looks at you now omitted the fixed lens and has the opportunity for large APS-C Sony Lenses anzuflantschen ... The substance is not so interesting and certainly the what many have been waiting for.
Particularly fast accompanying the zoom lens does not seem to be (f3, 5 - 6,3) ... means in reverse for me that one of DOF-games on any event, synonymous again requires matching lichstarke Lenses.
The direction Sonynun seemingly embarks with larger sensors is certainly true - but larger sensors alone do not bring more. It must only show how well the interaction of AF with various lenses and the handling works in general.
Antwort von headroom:
The advantage of the NEX VG 10:
No more 29 minutes Minimum Aperture Shutter and Manual White Balance and the FX mode, the type with two hunters and thats it?
Volume of the headphone or internal speaker can be manually adjusted in 15 steps, but record levels can not be altered. "
Wags the SONY Crew
Has no mirror but a mirror up function for the Photo Mode!?
Specs NEX VG10
modes (Stillimage) " Single-frame
" Continuous
" Self-timer
" Continuous Self-timer
" Mirror-up mode release
Important to know whether the VG would have 10 zebra or peaking. Histogram she sure as the 5/3er.
Guess the mics are overspecialised sensational. Did the Sony PCM Recorder D 50 with the kidney in the VG 10 4 Miks are safe at the same level .. Much worse are the codecs (MPEG2 +4 AVC) as soon as you swing, the picture completely blurred and the sharpness of jumps in as soon stops the panning
Antwort von WoWu:
One advantage will be even more that you can use the corresponding LP filter Resolutionein, the one with the annoying Alias | Wavefront Mayaing Effects of Stillimage / Video combinations get a better handle on where such filters are not possible.
As for the "Smooth" with movement. located s.einer poor implementation, which is partly caused by too slow Bildprozessing.
Therefore, it would be interesting to know times, as the Bildprozessing is actually in the camera dimensions. Not for nothing is there a Panasonic 20-bit.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
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The direction Sonynun seemingly embarks with larger sensors is certainly true - but larger sensors alone do not bring more. It must only show how well the interaction of AF with various lenses and the handling works in general.
How do you want to use the other hand, with an MF lens, the AF but I would like to know times ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von rush:
......
The direction Sonynun seemingly embarks with larger sensors is certainly true - but larger sensors alone do not bring more. It must only show how well the interaction of AF with various lenses and the handling works in general.
How do you want to use the other hand, with an MF lens, the AF but I would like to know times ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
Did not you will establish the new Sonysynonymous bright optics for just this camera system - where does the AF synonymous? Because - in the consumer area, the AF but a commonly used feature is now I would say simply this way:)
The "older" Good bright MF lenses probably will not work via AF should logically be .... where .... eventually goes vllt. synonymous the times;)
Antwort von B.DeKid:
There is already a high quality of Sony Sonynun Lens range, only if I wanted to buy the cameras to where though in Petto is rather questionable.
Before, I would rather switch to Nikon of Canon before but I would s.Sonyverschwenden synonymous only a thought!
should inspire no biggie for me the Sony system - for the compact cameras Stillimage ago 2-3 years ago with the idea of "change appearance" the market - I can understand the prevailing trend in video cameras only. If nice gimmick, but I want the BIG AS A SYSTEM! (With TC In / Out, Zebra, XLR, SDI / HDMI, etc.)
Otherwise, and in my eyes is still the ne option but not an argument!
Canon XL first to ne with such options on the market then we take a look next!
to implement to VERY IMPORTANT - ing clever codec.
Then he may receive "NEN toys cost $ 10K synonymous for something clever if I hold in my hands where synonymous times an EF can be operated without Mukkes 400 - so what I wish sometimes not so small hand NEN camcorder, because all are in the next two years raise the market.
I want something tangible great where you are consciously ready times as synonymous NEN chunk of money to lay on the table.
..................................
No one here has been crying at the Sony part on the options of: viewfinder, external monitor, sound, like LANC Control ..... already strange but where exactly those points there are VDSLRs the limit right now.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Mink:
No one here has been crying at the Sony part on the options of: viewfinder, external monitor, sound, like LANC Control ..... already strange but where exactly those points there are VDSLRs the limit right now.
B. DeKid
And that will include the points at which, or Sony sluts doing a good marketing work ... first ambitious consumer models with infinite Macken ... because everyone who buys it easier than ne DSLR without proper accessories, it is always .... and "compromises" can man do so .... then the prosumer and pro-parts parts .... which one should perhaps wait .... But now things are still unfinished first thrown on the market to be tapped for the first Money .....
Being pro-parts with Exchangeable optics and "big chip" is of course somehow synonymous already:)
Antwort von iMac27_edmedia:
the 50p-cut material of the Panasonic 707 with Final Cut Studio with 50p jerky at all, you just have to know how to do that with 1080p50 imported into FCS!
Antwort von srone:
the 50p-cut material of the Panasonic 707 with Final Cut Studio with 50p jerky at all, you just have to know how to do that with 1080p50 imported into FCS!
wrong thread?
lg
SRone
Antwort von iMac27_edmedia:
Ne, ne only answer - to a next above, the complaint about the 1080p50-NEX-Camx, all allegedly because the jerk and not look so great!
This is correct, you just have to read everything synonymous!
Antwort von srone:
a @ xyz helps to maintain the respect ;-)
lg
SRone
