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Antwort von NEEL:
Sounds interesting, but with those specs would have Sonyer difficult to overtake HMC 151 zu. The LCD display is admittedly much better than Panasonic, but the chip is not interpolated, and CCD but also CMOS - obviously keen to nothing for sports and concert shots with camera flashes. In Pana, there is also a congenial Leica Optics KB starting at 28mm equivalent. If you should create Sony, the Leica lens quality catch, there remains the disadvantage of expensive memory stick vs the SD card at Panasonic ...
Antwort von Macaroni:
Sounds interesting, but with those specs would have Sonyer difficult to overtake HMC 151 zu. I looked at the HMC151 synonymous, because I want off the tape and 720p50. The camera cut off in all tests, but not really good.
) I do believe that Sonywith (this camcorder in this price range can now synonymous finally 720p50 and sticks to store to find many buyers, and will replace the Z5. The rolling shutter "problem" exists in my view, life in the film) does not (except for flash. Will be shown in all test videos in which this is the camera used abnormally.
Ineressant will certainly synonymous the successor of the FX1000. The same NXCAM but without SDI, but finally, with XLR synonymous for ambitious filmmakers were super ... hopefully Sonyof his "XLR is just for the professional segment" off course, finally ...
And what Canon will probably oppose? The next time will certainly be interesting.
Gruss
Macaroni
Antwort von NEEL:
I looked at the HMC151 synonymous, because I want off the tape and 720p50. The camera cut off in all tests, but not really good.
Excuse me? The HMC 151 was the Überfliegercam in the tests, at least in English-speaking ... The deduction of points at Videoaktiv because of "low-stereo effect" or the explanatory power of professional journals such as "MacUp", comment here, I'd better not. I have the HMC itself is used for some shoots and am of the image quality (good contrast range, fairly "filmsich") remains smitten (in Comparison to the XHA1).
A good and relatively neutral review:
http://dvuser.tv/content.php?CID=207
And as I said: This lens is so good at the Pana that Sonyeinen big way will have the right to obtain it. I see specs for the moment, why not Sony's Cam should be better, please let me by surprise but happy ...
Antwort von Macaroni:
Excuse me? The HMC 151 was the Überfliegercam in the tests, at least in English-speaking world ...[/ quote]
I must admit that when I purchase my cameras on test reports German magazines and tests rely on the Internet (for example, of Film-TV-video). I was not sure how ... but that is always synonymous a personal sense.
Gruss
Macaroni
Antwort von NEEL:
I must admit that I am buying my cameras on test reports German magazines and tests rely on the Internet (for example, of Film-TV-video). I was not sure how ... but that is always synonymous a personal sense. Hmm, I'm synonymous rely on the review of Film-TV-Video:
Citation Film-TV-Video:
In practical, direct Comparison with one-Z5 prototype device of Sonyzeigte a very clear difference in image quality: The Z5 yielded a slightly softer picture impression, and represents less detail than the 151er. (...) CMOS sensors, which are typical of the Z5, struggling with generally slightly higher image noise than CCD sensors, as they are installed in the 151er (both devices are working with three 1/3-Inch-Sensoren). (...) And here suggested in the test of the 151er Panasonic (also still pre-series) of the Z5 Sony: The Panasonic images left a more natural impression. Less flatness, but would rather accept a touch more noise, which met the taste testers at the scene assessment even better. Greater detail and better contrast during playback device Panasonic rounded out the picture from the (...) Comparison Z5 brought here 151er smoother operations and thus a more natural picture impression about. (...) Looking at the objektivbedingten differences in the quality of Z5 and 151er, one sees quickly that it has built-in lenses, Panasonic ahead. Although the 151er has less zoom range, but wide-angle and focal length of stroke s. below shows clearly less chromatic aberration than the Z5, which occur in the color noise, especially in the periphery of the image clearly disturbing in appearance. Clear point advantage for the Panasonic in this discipline. So I was convinced that, at least, do not buy the Z5, is the top of much more expensive than the HMC. If CMOS and Optics of the new Sony cam still meet the Z5, it would be less good. By contrast, HMC, you can get IMHO very good on film to make ends meet. But this is a matter of taste.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... with these specs would have Sonyer difficult to overtake HMC 151 zu ... The HMC151 will continue to find buyers, simply because it is cheaper, but otherwise? SD PAL recording, parallel recording in various formats, HD-SDI output, aperture ring, very high-resolution LCD monitor and viewfinder, Over-/Undercranking, optional docking flash recorder with eleven hours recording time - all that is missing the Panasonic . Some filmmakers do not miss such functions next, but for others the arguments are buying.
Antwort von NEEL:
SD PAL recording, parallel recording in various formats, HD-SDI output, aperture ring, very high-resolution LCD monitor and viewfinder, Over-/Undercranking, optional docking flash recorder with eleven hours recording time - all that is missing the Panasonic . Some filmmakers do not miss such functions next, but for others the arguments are buying. SD-PAL: the absence of HMC. Wers needs can convert it from 720p.
HD-SDI output: Who likes oldies, ok. ) For me tuts the newer HDMI (for the external monitor.
Aperture Ring: Did I synonymous, yah:)
High-resolution LCD monitor: Advantage Sony. The HMC can board with tools such as Focus Asist in practice be made easily sharp.
Over / cranking: Did I skipped since at Sonywas? 720p50, HMC can certainly synonymous.
Optional Andockrekorder: Is there indeed a lot on the market. Via HDMI, I can record with the HMC 4:2:2. I bet the Sonyandockrekorder also fits.
Therefore when the HMC:
Probably better CCD chip, a better lens, more favorable price synonymous with the recording media.
Conclusion:
NXCAM can be operated with a comfortable safety, HMC will make better pictures ... although Sony's new baby is likely to find its buyers:)
Antwort von edgar:
SD PAL recording, parallel recording in various formats, HD-SDI output, aperture ring, very high-resolution LCD monitor and viewfinder, Over-/Undercranking, optional docking flash recorder with eleven hours recording time - all that is missing the Panasonic . Some filmmakers do not miss such functions next, but for others the arguments are buying.
SD-PAL: the absence of HMC. Wers needs can convert it from 720p.
HD-SDI output: Who likes oldies, ok. ) For me tuts the newer HDMI (for the external monitor.
Aperture Ring: Did I synonymous, yah:)
High-resolution LCD monitor: Advantage Sony. The HMC can board with tools such as Focus Asist in practice be made easily sharp.
Over / cranking: Did I skipped since at Sonywas? 720p50, HMC can certainly synonymous.
Optional Andockrekorder: Is there a lot on the market. Via HDMI, I can record with the HMC 4:2:2. I bet the Sonyandockrekorder also fits.
Therefore when the HMC:
Probably better CCD chip, better optics, more favorable price synonymous with the recording media:)
Conclusion:
NXCAM can be operated with a comfortable safety, HMC will make better pictures ... although Sony's new baby is likely to find its buyers:) I just see!
I film also with the HMC151 and only one thing I miss: The better viewfinder and display of the Sony's.
Previously I had the HDR-FX1000 and the display was very good, otherwise the change has paid off for the Pana.
Good but it is definitely that there is still a large Manufacturer relies on AVCHD. So maybe in the future will take care of one or the other software manufacturers to ensure that more of the AVCHD NLEs can be processed ...!?
At that time synonymous HDV was considered "un-edited" - and today - any editing program can deal with average and thus Calculator. I think it is synonymous with AVCHD will eventually ... well, most of the Programs it can anyway quite good - fast calculator provided.
Gruß Edgar
Antwort von edgar:
By the way ... has anyone heard what is expected to cost the good piece, then?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... HD-SDI output: Who likes oldies, ok. For me, the newer HDMI tuts ... Well, HD-SDi is an oldie but rather a few in the professional field and important common interface. Panasonic admits them to his customers as I know only too s.der HPX171 up.
Aperture ring ... Did I synonymous, yah :)... Sorry! I had remembered that one could switch to the HMC151 at best, the focus ring on Apperture control, the adjusted but not Aperture is outside s.Lens read. And that would be rather important. Moreover, it lies far from me denigrate the HMC151, but each has very different desires.
... HMC will make better pictures ... Maybe, but who knows? In the tests the first NXCAM I'm certainly curious. When purchasing an obstacle I see more the price, if he s.den too close to the EX1R herankommt. Then you climb but rather a right of XDCAM EX.
... has anyone heard anything, what should the good piece they cost? ... Officially we will know, perhaps only in January, but gerüchtemäßig the price level is on the Z5, or there are just over it.
Beautiful way mark ;-)
Antwort von Valentino:
HD-SDI output: Who likes oldies, ok. ) For me tuts the newer HDMI (for the external monitor.
Aperture Ring: Did I synonymous, yah:)
Optional Andockrekorder: Is there indeed a lot on the market. Via HDMI, I can record with the HMC 4:2:2. I bet the Sonyandockrekorder also fits. Well then, via HD-SDI you should really check again. HD-SDI for years has been the standard in Profieberreich and 2k was developed by the 3Gbits standard 1080/50p/60p and for the last few years.
HDMI is really only useful for this, which you can hang the camera when needed quickly s.eine FlatScreen times, as a recording interface HDMI but for the most part useless, since the time to sit very loose and fast times are loose.
For HD-SDI, this can happen thanks to the BNC couplers s.Kabel only under very strong pulling forces. These defects in BNC cables are much faster, and even a localized defects s.der jack or s.Kabel can s.Set resolved within the shortest time. Verusch repair times a HDMI to Kable. The BNC cable to the Globigerina but very thick compared to HDMI are clearly more flexible you have to really say nothing more.
Spend what extent the HMC one 10bit 4:2:2 signal can be I do not know, whereas in Sonydie 10bit 4:2:2 HD-SDI are over since the EX1 standard.
About 99 percent of Sonywie synonymous Panasonic customer who will buy these cameras so that never really is a 4:2:2 signal can get in because they needed the 20,000 euro cash for the editing system and raid for smooth post-production is missing ;-)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ HD-SDI
Antwort von NEEL:
Spend what extent the HMC one 10bit 4:2:2 signal can be I do not know, whereas in Sonydie 10bit 4:2:2 HD-SDI are over since the EX1 standard.
Go.
About 99 percent of Sonywie synonymous Panasonic customer who will buy these cameras so that never really is a 4:2:2 signal can get in because they needed the 20,000 euro cash for the editing system and raid for smooth post-production is missing ;-) Or directly into Final Cut hereby record for 199, - Euro:
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/
Or should (very comfortable we can rent if need be synonymous):
http://www.videoaktiv.de/200904222456/News/Camcorders/NAB-2009- Video Field Recorder Ki-Pro-of-AJA.html
Antwort von Macaroni:
For all the little Japanese can:
Antwort von deti:
Well then, via HD-SDI you should really check again. Yes, very urgent. The cable length is limited to HDMI to 10m. Anyone who professionally produced, then the uncompressed video signals, but often transported over long distances, sending more than switchers or play off of or server systems (s) on or off. For this there are synonymous SDI via coaxial cable or optical fiber. A Picture attached shows a patch panel for coax and glass s.der crossbar. At the same HDMI would certainly very exciting ;-)
Deti
Antwort von NEEL:
Anyone who professionally produced, then the uncompressed video signals, but often transported over long distances, sending more than switchers or play off of or server systems (s) on or off. For this there are synonymous SDI via coaxial cable or optical fiber. Matching the tangles synonymous, but I would rather choose such a Cam:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/hd-uhd-2k-digital-cinema/139943-sony-f35-first-experience.html
Underneath, I'm with my HMC-HDMI quite happy:)
Antwort von deti:
A? Hundreds!
Deti
Antwort von WoWu:
So, I would not praise too SDI into the sky and the broadcast world really is at present only on the hardware interface, because there are no suitable alternatives and frames for old hardware through parallel use of the next amortized.
Otherwise, HDMI may be significantly more than HD-SDI, if one-off operations of except a few exceptions, makes the HD-SDI differently.
For example, HD-SDI can embadden 24 audio channels, which can only HDMI 8th HD-SDI to transmit any audio coding. One may speculate now what is better.
As for the bandwidth, HDMI has significantly ahead with 360 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to SDI in the 3G shape with 2.97-Gbps, and even as a dual-link is still far apart.
A signaling for extended range of colors is no provision in SDI, nor were other features that are perhaps in the professional sector has not asked, but with ever increasing image editing will be useful. Whether the sound sync is to increase rates or the possibility of clock. Or HDMI 1.4 as the Ethernet channel, everything is impossible in SDI. Only to the extent, far from complete examples.
And as for the cable, since it's pretty damn whether SDI or HDMI stands on it. Because in fact occurs exclusively on the transmitted frequency s.and hanging together so that the jitter behavior.
At the latest when SDI at higher frequencies (bandwidth) are required, it is because that is synonymous with the end of long cable lengths, and when we talk about the latest, top bandwidth of 5 Gbit / s to think, anyway talking about something other than None fiber.
So I would not talk about HDMI since so down. And festzumachen the value of a Harwareschnittstelle s.Steckertyp or reparability ... I do not know if there are not as important criteria.
And ... deti, the picture is pretty, but this show still synonymous audio switchers, distribution ... or, if you're embadded, the battery of De-Embaddern .... it looks all been different.
Antwort von deti:
I do not have HDMI certainly talked "down" - it was all about the usability in professional environments. As would the one hand, the line length and the other in the Verschaltbarkeit Kreuzschienen an issue. Especially the latter is not trivial because of the normally required handshake - unless it gets an HDMI standardized-Pro (or similar).
I use HDMI, of course, synonymous better - especially because it is cheap, good and universal.
Deti
Antwort von WoWu:
Deti @
talk about the "down" was synonymous not really for you "coined." Sry, if it came across.
What concerns are the cable 15m normal. Sure there are none of the huckster s.der corner, but technically there is at least up to 2 Gbit no objection, since SDI is synonymous with everything so do not synonymous RG 59U, but quite other qualities are required synonymous.
As for the handshake to you, I agree, although in a professional infrastructure is not a real problem, because most of the problems caused by improper timing, which is excluded in such surroundings.
The only thing that would bother me to HDMI in the professional context, is that it is not a universal interface, but only free text. The universality of the SDI or SDTI is synonymous with HDMI, of course, down the drain.
But whether it is SDI (no preference) in any shape, especially in the context Cine remain long? Well, we'll wait.
But the spear, I would not be here to break through HDMI in favor of SDI. To that extent there has been quite NELL.
Antwort von Valentino:
@ Wolfgang
I understand your technical arguments against SDI HDMI very well, only that nothing will change that, because the difference between technical data and the reality most of them are very significant.
There are simply no camera away, or even Blu-ray media can provide an RGB 4:4:4 signal. Blu-Ray is actually limited to 4:2:0, which helps synonymous HDMI 1.4 not much synonymous if the standard theory supports 4k, so it lacks the films produced in this format.
Even the most expensive blockbusters such as 2012, just mastered in 2k.
Although it now sounds harsh, HDMI was designed for the living room and not for everyday s.einem film set.
Here, I need solid compounds such as BNC, Lemo, or fishermen, but HDMI is completely out s.Platz times.
Look at the Picture of F35 simply time to do all Lemo and Fischer times.
Where once you just before you're DIT s.einem Set and because slips during an action scene, the HDMI cable from the jack, effects for half a million have been frittered away.
Even if one rebuilds the cable at a sensible time, the cable is still too much else that can break and there goes one and you have no picture more. I know these problems of the Red Drive cable is not different than Lemo are converted E-Sata cable. It happens once again have an wobbler or breaks a wire, and thus produces a new cable needs.
At BNC, it can indeed be only one wire and you have the most quickly out again someone tripped over the cable or maybe someone just drove over it with the 12t. Everything has already happened.
To this end I have in mind that you pay for HDMI chips yet properly license fees, sowas there is not at SDI.
