Frage von St aus DD:
Hello all together,
I am working now has plenty of one months with the theme of your camcorder, I want to buy me one. With much interest I have scoured the posts here and tried to form my own opinion. Unfortunately, I managed to a limited extent.
My limit for the purchase is Euronen 1000-1500. Right now I vacillate between two devices:
SonyHDR-or HC3E the Panasonic NV-GS500
Now you'll fall for me over and say that are absolutely two different pair of boots (if I may) choose this Comparison.
RIGHT! A normal HDV and DV. I decided for me, quite an HDV Camera to buy. The trend is in that direction and I think in about 1-2 years, this technique is available in the living room. And I do not want to lie down then again 1000 euros. This question is not whether HDV or not synonymous here for discussion.
Moves me a completely different topic!
Handling and menu navigation.
In this issue both go completely different ways. Sonysteuert all over the screen and Panasonic on the stick. What experience do you have? Can I, for example, the Panasonic with one hand (the right to use)? When testing the HC1 in the market ... I did not feel the touch screen to be very strictly managed? What are your opinions?
Can someone tell me when is an HDV of Panasonic at a reasonable price?
Ah, but a little question for HDV:
If I make a film in HDV HOST s.Computer and make the DVD, I can look at it in the regular DVD player + TV without HD or do I convert the movie s.Computer to normal?
This is sufficient for now. I hope for a stimulating and factual discussion.
See you soon
Stefan
Antwort von ApplePB:
Please note that the HDR HC3 is not really the successor to the HDR is HC1.
See, inter alia www.fxsupport.de/hc1 last page.
And compare the products on the SonyPage!
Aja, and of course this:
http://forum.slashcam.de/hdr-hc1e-vs-hdr-hc3e-vt35172.html
Only in this way as a food for thought,
Best Regards,
Martin
Antwort von St aus DD:
Hello ApplePB,
Thanks for your quick response. These articles or posts I've read. The site fxsupport is even saved as bookmarks, because there are always new experiences.
But unfortunately I can not help with both reports my questions!
As the handling of the two (Sonyand Panasinic) and what experience has been gained?
In all the articles deal with the technical details, (sharpness, and and Resolutionund). And both cameras can be sure something is not synonymous to the question. What interests me is simple: Is it easier to work with the Panasonic menu and the stick or the Sony menu and the touch screen. I have tried both systems already. But I think of 5 min test in the market ... may be formed as there is no picture.
See you soon
Stefan
Antwort von prem:
Overall I think the stick is better. As you can during the recording s.Iris make corrections, etc.
At the touch screen that is understandably not possible.
Also has 500 G's a manual focus ring, which I rather think this is great.
In the manual setting possibilities, I think, is HC 3 back.
By the way, synonymous if you do not want to hear, I am of HDV, which is offered HITHERTO not very convinced
Antwort von Acer:
Yupps, Panasonic clearly before the HC1. Besides, your computer must be 2 to 3 times better than if you only DV to edit. MiniDV is currently the strongest format, which unfortunately, is often questioned. Better still, the Panasonic NV-GS400, which is even better than the 500s and a little more expensive ...
Antwort von magic-lighting:
Although I have not been tested even the two mentioned Kamaeras, but I have two producers of the other cameras. Personally, I like that not handling via touch screen. I think 1st cumbersome and 2 the display is constantly smeared (at least if you use a stylus of a PDA).
The manual focus ring, I would not underestimate synonymous, can be very helpful.
Although eventually replace HDV, DV, but at the moment I do not believe to be developed. The requirements s.einen cutting machines are still very high, there is virtually no room display with 1080 lines and a storage media for playback in the living room there is not really synonymous (BluRay / HD-DVD).
And the question of HDV footage on DVD: Yes, it must be down converted to 576 lines with PAL standard, so the high Resolutionvon HDV is gone. High Resolutionwird there will be only with the Introduction of BlueRay or HD-DVD.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
You better not forget runterrechnen the 16:9 mode and may be internal Cam synonymous, so you can continue with the current PC even if a DVD is desired.
I think always synonymous between the HC1 and HC3. A DV is no longer determines what makes me think that there's one bit for the lowlight of the 2100 Sonyda there is nothing better as I have read in various forums.
Antwort von Acer:
But when Runterrechnen be synonymous but loses the "right" DV quality, right?
Antwort von jabone:
The 16:9 mode, the GS 400/500 is Top Up HDV came on the market, there is no better camcorder in the price range than the GS 400
Antwort von Acer:
Nevertheless, an HDV camcorder to DV quality loses if he has runterrechnen digital everything. The ratio of the pixels on the CCD is different than that of a MiniDV camcorder.
Ciao
Antwort von magic-lighting:
Inevitably, the image remains with the scale s.Qualität always something on the track no preference whether the PC or in the camera internal happening. One could equally synonymous in DV recording mode with the camera, which are HDV cameras in this mode (as Videoaktiv) worse than pure DV cameras in the same price range. Wahrsheinlich This is because the chip resolution and internal signal processing is not Designed for DV (Sonyverwendet way CMOS chips and no CCD in HDV camcorders).
If you want to produce DVDs must necessarily be to scale, no preference whether in-camera or PC. -Camera has the advantage that extends a standard PC for video processing.
@ AndreasBloechl: The Comparison between the HC1 and HC3 lags VX2100 something. The 2100 one should rather compare with the FX1.
Antwort von Conqueror:
Hello,
I had bought an HC3 and returned. Here are my impressions:
- Detailed Picture empire but too soft for my taste (signed)
- Little edge sharpness
- Miserable Optics (chromatic aberration, especially at high Konstraste in Picture)
- Dynamic range for the price range too low and optimize the existing board with hardly any resources to
- Sound ok but not outstanding
- Colors are good for 1-chip device, and Strong, but not sufficiently differentiated
- No manual setting of shutter speed was (to me before clear)
- Rigid Viewfinder
- Well-made
- Uncommon pans looked unnatural and blurred tlw (of the speed and the light conditions) depends
Defect HDTV display, everything s.PC tested.
Greeting
Benno
Antwort von Rapsody:
Yes, because we have again the beloved blur of pans, which itself is known of the Canon XL H1.
This is simply a problem of HDv what is with the MPEG compression together.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
@ magic-lighting
Yes that's not really a Comparison to me it was synonymous in the first place to LowLight properties and are not even rate a minimum at a camcorder when you have time synonymous in the interior low light conditions.
Whether it really already HDV, since I'm not sure yet synonymous. But unschärfen of these pans, I have already read in other forums synonymous, and who think that the problem of vision devices and are not the camcorder. But to what extent this is true I can not judge, I only read because the HC1 was once criticized so.
Antwort von prem:
I see it (as some testers for various video magazines):
It is an error of compression. The HD television, for example compressed in h.264 based method of MPEG4.
HDV is compressed quite strongly with mpeg2 and incurring the unschärfen. I think mpeg2 simply not the right format to compress high-definition video on how HDv. Then in the next few years will surely do much synonymous, and I will wait as long until this technology is mature. Both of camcorders page as synonymous of cutting technique and vision equipment manufactures.
Antwort von magic-lighting:
The blur on pans should be a consequence of the MPEG-2 compression. Fast detailed panning overwhelm MPEG2 easy. The standard does provide for a motion detection, but extends only a few pixels wide. When leaving this area is for the codec to new image information. When fast movements is then equal to the entire picture for the new codec, and thus the amount of data is no longer be housed in a P-or B-frame.
On future developments, I would hope there is not much. All the newer compression method based on inter-frame coding, and thus in principle have these problems. Here are just helping encodings, where each picture is individually coded -> and thus the data rate is extremely high!
Antwort von Jan:
- Miserable Optics (chromatic aberration, especially at high Konstraste in Picture)
Greeting
Benno Thanks for your test, but now that surprises me a bit because, like HC 3 HC 1 has a corrective lens when mounted in the Zeiss T * Lens, Solten minimize the fringing problem really, well ..
In the manual area (shutter speed / aperture / gain), HC 3 No chance, no manual shutter speed has goes through Aperture + - (scale has 23 synonymous synonymous beginners SonyHC for ¬ 300 already), there is more to be a good automatic camera.
GS 500, like all current Panasonic's menu in the manual (printed manual, joystick) Professional incorrect exposure settings for accurate Aperture 1.8 or 22 etc, accurate shutter speed 1 / 50 or 1 / 2000 or strengthening, or 22 DB 3 DB etc, the only In poor light, you can not adjust aperture and gain. The camera would have preferred to open Aperture (1.8) and strengthening of manual or manual Aperture without amplification - not quite as professional prison SonyFX 1 (configure where everything is free) but quite tidy.
The joystick navigation is definitely divided the number 1, with a button you can control almost all the camera operations.
LG
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