Frage von Hä?:
Hello,
already have a lot about filmmaking read. Technology, processes, etc.
But one thing is for me still remains unclear:
Scenes are so often from several different perspectives and attitudes (Totale, Halbtotale etc.) rotated.
In the film's views will be changed so that it looks as if simultaneously with dozens of cameras has rotated.
My question is, as with the sound is realized. If the cut in the middle of the word / O noise occurs, it is scarcely possible to each other stückeln.
One idea was, first, one take of the sound completely and take the pictures from the various Takes cutting. But this brings the problem that not all shots are exactly alike. Time is slightly slower or faster spoken. In one take is 3x then 4x s.die door knocking, etc.
How is realized in practice?
Antwort von Markus:
How is realized in practice? Eighth times due to such a scene if you change the television to see. Either the person speaking only of the back to see, so that a lack of lip not noticed, or even only to see the reaction of the interlocutor - or so the scene was simply rotated with multiple cameras so that all the settings exactly fit together.
Antwort von Hä?:
OK, it means that actually the sound of one take and used according to this sound of the picture is being cut?
Antwort von Hä?:
"was simply rotated with multiple cameras so that all the settings exactly fit together"
with interlocutors certainly more frequently used. I just recently noticed where a person in a shot, shot counter, of the top and bottom of oblique was filmed, so definitely with a Camera.
Antwort von Markus:
OK, it means that actually the sound of one take and used according to this sound of the picture is being cut? The sound in such cases is usually not one of the cameras, but of a separate audio recorder.
Antwort von dennzus:
Hello,
There are synonymous nor the possibility the camera (if the sound on the camera is recorded) over the whole period of the event record to be fast and in between to change the perspective. These sections, in which one partially recognizes nothing, because it has very quickly steered to the camera to another person to judge, then later with overlapping scenes, where only individual objects, or other spectators are watching. That is my approach when I for example carnival events with a video camera. First, the singer recorded, faster on the swing and swing dancers will be replaced by an average mitschunkelndes audience, which is at another time has begun.
There is nothing, but the "fraud" of the replaced does not fall on scenes.
Experience has shown that much work and stress at the recording, but the result is also the reward.
Antwort von beiti:
The sound is actually much herumgebastelt order of the transitions takes to conceal. An absolute standard trick is shifted Picture sound editing, so that for example, the caller already heard talk about two seconds (still in opposite weft) and only then with the image track on his face umschneidet. So the sound is cut in an appropriate conversation break, but cut the picture a little later or earlier, so the Sound Editor remains largely unnoticed. If background noise are present, or if the traces of the various audible Takes differ (about when the shots the next Microphone was away), must be something deeper Tonleute box of tricks and the best sound possible to adjust. Ganz succeeds but not always, and with little experience, one hears the synonymous out.
Unfortunately do not support all editing software Picture shifted to the sound cut directly. For some it is first necessary to the connection between picture and soundtrack solve - which of course the danger of Asynchronität contains, because Picture and Sound will no longer together to move it. Very good it is resolved in Release: Because you can by holding the AltGr button independently of the Soundtrack of the screen track extension / shortening, and without separation of the connection.
Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:
Thanks beiti that with the AltGr button in Premiere, I knew not yet, here you can always learn something.
And s.den Thread Master Huh?: Really an ancient problem, always too little haste sound throughout.
1. If it's done, take a second cameraman, and the better with the full Tonmöglichkeiten holds it, without a break.
2. We now have in the video club Zoom H4 digital recorder purchased (290.00 euros). The sound is completely consistently have a very calming feeling. After missing images can be rather reinschummeln, such as a lack of distinctive sound, especially when spoken. But even if you have Athmo's Gestückle no more, but simply aus'm full pot.
3. Funny side-effect: When you're first used, the sound totally have to catch you, when cutting the sound to be and then the images draufzusetzen. The films are suddenly better. The thinking is more "human", namely by ear. Wrong picture cuts disrupt the eye less, Sound Editor tough already. When the music tape plays a wrong, disturbs the powerful, if the man makes s.Licht something stupid, which is almost impossible to
4. A second cameraman working but even more fun, and even then we assume additionally with the digital recorder.
Enjoy you like the "New"
Antwort von Axel:
Wrong picture cuts disrupt the eye less, Sound Editor tough already. When the music tape plays a wrong, disturbs the powerful, if the man makes s.Licht something stupid, which is almost impossible to ... Naja. Apart from that I have to listen using your ears, it could be the sign. The reason why a bad image not cut next striking thing is that we are with good cuts are not spoiled (with good pictures are not synonymous), and secondly, that our vision with more variety than satisfied with continuity.
About the contribution of the movie for effect, there are numerous investigations. Conclusion: It is often underestimated. Images can be in very heavily stylized, before the viewer is fremdelt and mentally from the presentation ausklinkt (Anime).
Antwort von Wotan:
Separately recording audio ... Not to forget the film damper; helps Sync and cut ;-)
Antwort von beiti:
The separate recording does not prevent that in the compilation of multiple individual Takes sound not fit together. The synchronous recording with multiple cameras shot goes in opposite weft with subjective perspectives often do not (because otherwise the other would Camera in Picture) - and even if there is another aspect: In the theatrical film has not only various settings / perspectives, but each of recruitment still takes more that one sometimes synonymous mixes (eg because of the actor at the beginning of the scene in Take 4 has played better, but in the end Take 7). No director would agree, from a purely sound reasons scenes only s.Stück to use.
So it is always a sound tinkering in the editing room beyond.
