Frage von Easy Going:
Hi All,
for quite some time I try to follow an HD cam for my somewhat dated SonyTRV 900 found.
This search is designed for more than difficult, I almost s.verzweifeln ......
Actually, I liked the size of the TRV 900 very well.
Since I like hiking synonymous with my camcorder, I have the camera in the size FX7/FX1000 actually too big.
The important thing is (a viewfinder especially ordinary Lowlight, good wide angle, as a predominantly landscape filmmaker) and, of course, generally good image properties.
XLR audio and many manual settings would be negligible.
Price range ¬ 1000-2000
Can someone give some advice on this - which camcorder might come into question?
Antwort von domain:
In the price category you will hardly find good wide angle zoom, sometimes of a very similar build quality of the TRV900 apart.
But had the TRV 900 for a good wide angle?
The JVC HM 100 as sgn. Professional Camera is synonymous only 39 mm.
Interestingly, it will offer only at about 32 mm, but which only handles larger and more expensive cameras.
Antwort von Easy Going:
In the price category you will hardly find good wide angle zoom, sometimes of a very similar build quality of the TRV900 apart.
But had the TRV 900 for a good wide angle?
The JVC HM 100 as sgn. Professional Camera is synonymous only 39 mm.
Interestingly, it will offer only at about 32 mm, but which only handles larger and more expensive cameras. Hello,
As far as I read from a data sheet on the web is given the Focal there with 41.3. The camcorder is indeed 4:3.
Difficult for me to compare what it means when a 16:9 camcorder. (;?)
Is it comparable with the values which we find in today's HD camcorders?
In principle, I would be an equally good (; worse) wide angle as in the TRV 900 - enough.
Is it the JVC HM (100 has more details, tests)?
Although well over 3000 ¬ expensive but at least not without interest - synonymous because of the size.
Antwort von domain:
404ERR
Antwort von Easy Going:
List $ 6000 (; was the maximum I) they have bought for 4400 DM.
Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:
Great, I have exactly the same problem: migration of TRV 900th A dream of a camera: Super picture quality, very good lowlight, Giant Screen + perfect body shape allows extreme ultra-light shooting high above the head or s.Boden deep, roller coaster, out of the boat hanging over the water surface, midway between Hochzeittanzenden ...
I have been accustomed, but so far, draufzuschrauben a wide-angle wide-angle attachment, with even a factor of 0.5. During fast motion recording is the "ton" damn.
For theater and concert footage I've never ne SONY PD 150 (and the 2000s with XLR connectors), which could be s.besten mitersetzt same.
My discovery was previously the SONY HVR-A1. I have unfortunately never seen live, and had in his hand, but everything seems to be able to see how the TRV 900 + XLR plugged. But has only 1 chip, came in 2006, allegedly on the market, it is sometimes said in the video folders and synonymous here with Slashcam almost nothing of the camera, which incidentally, is sold only through the broadcast-rail, thus, not the media market. That already makes me very suspicious. It gives them so the $ 2,000.
Big question: one of you knows the camera, and is really a substitute for a TRV 900 fan?
Of greetings Walter
Antwort von Easy Going:
Hello Walter,
see:
http://www.camcorder-test.com/camcorder-what-i-cmp-u-cmd-i-view-u-mode-i-docompare-u-sortby-i-preis-u-id-i-3-y-7-u-name-i-SonyHVR-A1-u-bname-i-SonyHDR-HC1-u-cm2-i-vergleich.html
this is only a 1 chip - with tape / drive - not rated doll - and for 2000 ¬?
Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:
Thanks for the link.
Results: Is' no fool, can do anything we want, but only almost good. That bothers me with the LowLight s.meisten well. As if we could have a direct comparison to our TRV 900 (; or even VX 2000/PD150 who actually once again a whole class is better with low light) ...
So wait.
Nevertheless, says thank Walter
Antwort von domain:
Yes, unfortunately there is this camera for the price-quality but not anymore. When I was stolen from my HC1 in Barcelona, I am in retrospect, thank God, had discovered that the picture quality was not really that great, especially not in lowlight, so it was almost a fluke that she now has someone who'll appreciate it.
In a possibly upcoming camera purchase there are only aware of too if you like to cut or processed: at present
no AVCHD. After that not much is left: HDV cameras or JVC HD30/40 or HM 100 or SonyEX1 / 3, all with the mpeg2 format.
Do not listen to the voices who say that AVCHD is now entirely cut natively. It is not, at least not how it is normally accustomed. This certainly zukünftsträchtige format could be satisfactorily dealt with in about 1-2 years, but only under Windows 7 and the same time completely revised NL editors.
The letter A is for
"Advanced Video Codec is misleading in the present circumstances, because that is not the image quality was better, but the data were still next zusammengestaucht to fit better to the flash memory to. But just in the field is changing a lot, namely, more memory for less money, so everything speaks for the EX format in the near future
Antwort von kalle70:
Keep the TRV900.
You'll find nothing similar .....
Either too expensive or too big or poor image quality or or or ....
Only if you are ready, the rest of the chain synonymous to "HD" switch, it makes sense to buy an HD.
If the movies end up on DVD, the TRV900 is still a very good solution.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
@ Easy Going,
looking at you
this camera The HDV footage with the camera you can edit the current NLEs and a PC based on Intel Q6600 flawlessly and smoothly without first native of necessary transcoding into any proxies / Intermediate.
The big wide Anglebrauchst You do not always, an additional WW-converter ranges from completely so.
In a possibly upcoming camera purchase there are only aware of too if you like to cut or processed: at present no AVCHD.
Antwort von pailes:
In a possibly upcoming camera purchase there are only aware of too if you like to cut or processed: at present no AVCHD. ...
After that not much is left: HDV cameras or JVC HD30/40 or HM 100 or SonyEX1 / 3, all with the mpeg2 format.
Do not listen to the voices who say that AVCHD is now entirely cut natively. It is not, at least not how it is normally accustomed. This certainly zukünftsträchtige format could be satisfactorily dealt with in about 1-2 years, but only under Windows 7 and the same time completely revised NL editors. Such a nonsense, I have seldom read. In addition, you must be a native format but not cut, I cut for months with an intermediate codec, and I am relatively happy with the workflow.
Almost a decade Calculator were synonymous for DV too slow and I still cut DV. Has taken hold when rendering a bit, but a break that's still not so.
The letter A is for "Advanced Video Codec is misleading in the present circumstances, because that is not the image quality was better, but the data were still next zusammengestaucht to fit better to the flash memory to. You can encode more information with fewer bits. One can even call "advanced".
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I cut for months with an intermediate codec, and I am relatively happy with the workflow Well just stop you have no other choice, proxy with cutting PowerDirector 7 Ultra, of course, also works.
But if you trace some of your intermediate material lay on top, then that creates the hard drive any more, then you need RAID 0!
Besides, you need more disk space for the Intermediate!
Antwort von Axel:
... at present no AVCHD. The letter A is for "Advanced Video Codec is misleading in the present circumstances, because that is not the image quality was better, but the data were still zusammengestaucht next. Oh friends, not these tones! You say that God has forbidden. Will not last long, and is Professor Wunderlich and looks after the rights!
With an intermediate which is half as wild. I can only find, and am therefore "entirely up to you" that it may be in the spirit of an amateur to juggle with clumsy giant clip, but where are the family's greatest joy filmmaker
long family films. And for
advanced amateurs are unfortunately the
camcorder too bad, that make this AVCHD. But takes you, the development does not stop, and the future is exciting ...
Antwort von domain:
A far verbereitetem error should possibly meet synonymous times.
It is always claimed that the AVCHD (Development; behave over time with regard to the processing times) rather synchronously to the original HDV development, namely, very slow.
Not true at all. Just because mpeg2 so "old" was at the launch of the FX1, you could grow with her under Core2 already full after about half a year and the corresponding nonlinear editing, a situation which may arise in AVCHD and we now know with certainty, even until now has attracted a number of years and is synonymous drag on.
D-VHS, there was at least in the U.S. and Japan had relatively soon after the introduction of mpeg2 and again years later, but before the introduction of the FX1, there was a Japanese programmer, the Cap-DVHS written a previous version of HDV Split And so the matter was scratched.
D-VHS (; digitally recorded), was the last version of VHS and is still used today fully compatible with HDV, but other bands were in the following FX1 and HDV cameras.
What luck for HDV: there was practically everything, pretty much of the beginning.
And what is the situation with AVCHD?
A Comparison MUs is not allowed at all.
Antwort von pailes:
Well just stop you have no other choice, proxy with cutting PowerDirector 7 Ultra, of course, also works. Frankly, I am quite no preference as it works as long as it works and the quality does not suffer. And anyway because I want to cut on the Mac with Final Cut I have not synonymous to choose between several programs. Is an easy decision was.
But if you trace some of your intermediate material lay on top, then that creates the hard drive any more, then you need RAID 0! I'm usually out with 3 lanes, and if he ever needs to render, it does not hurt me synonymous. Who needs thousands of video traces overlaying that makes what is wrong in my eyes anyway, I'm talking of cutting and not of compositing.
Besides, you need more disk space for the Intermediate! At times when you get 1.5 TB for under hundred dollars hinterhergeworfen at Media Markt, which is not really a problem. At least not for me.
Antwort von pailes:
And for advanced amateurs are unfortunately the camcorder too bad, that make this AVCHD. The Panasonic HMC-151E is therefore in your eyes a bad camcorder? Well, we do not have to all have the same opinion.
Antwort von Axel:
What luck for HDV: there was practically everything, pretty much of the beginning.
And what is the situation with AVCHD?
A Comparison MUs is not allowed at all. The "tape-no-worry" argument. And for Full HD TV, you'd rather not filmed in a smaller resolution, the dissolution idea. In this discussion I participated as a defender of SD resolution, from a lack of understanding of the needs. However, very odd, as a full-advocates. That is now beginning to annoy the filmmakers, threads piling on "strip in motion" in which people see as an interlaced image errors, which it is synonymous MUs.
As Full HD is not HDV, it will disappear quickly from the lower consumer segment.
For the next round of envy makes an unexpected development in the Movies: 4k resolution, roughly four times FullHD, seems to come much faster than many thought. The movie industry has just a little updraft, normally forgotten in the time between economic crisis and world war, the grief. I've never seen on a big screen, but it could add value to the movies again, and devalue the home theater. Thus any aura of a FullHD synonymous. Is it all before been there.
The Panasonic HMC-151E is therefore in your eyes a bad camcorder? I think not. The HVX-Series (; just as synonymous already the DVX series) were favorites for me. This AVCHD cams do not seem to have so many people. It is perhaps because the
pro-sumer, here are the target audience, the crux of AVCHD is better informed. Surely this is a possible alternative to the XDCAM EX. But this, in turn, can normally edit with any normal calculator. Here would then have 35 Mbit to 100 Mbit of (, say) to ProRes. Unfortunately, there are no tests in slashcam camcorder-Comparison. I believe I have once read that they like the HVX with pixel shift works. That would be me, as you can see from the above, a hang. For the bitter-HD fanatics but it would be a reason not to buy them. Do you have them? What is your workflow, your experiences?
Antwort von Valentino:
For the next round of envy makes an unexpected development in the Movies: 4k resolution, roughly four times FullHD, seems to come much faster than many thought. The movie industry has just a little updraft, normally forgotten in the time between economic crisis and world war, the grief. So to me is as yet no digital 4k movies known in Germany, but if the 35mm material is treated well nity for many years already we 4k, stop only on the analog channels and not 2k DI.
The magic word is has invested in the industry right now 3D and there is money in investments 2k (; Projector and Server) or purchase it still remains for 4k less money.
Also of 4k will be seen in the near future in Germany, rather less.
Generally it is the cinema in the "crisis" almost even better than before.
Antwort von Axel:
@ Valentino.
I thought synonymous. 3D is (; currently accepted yet) very good, in fact, the additional costs to keep within limits. But it is driving the digitization, one wants to create capacity for "Avatar", synonymous, of course, especially for "The Hobbit" and then the last Harry Potter, it turns her into 3D in two parts. Turns out that once again a new generation of server is in the house, and that 4k in conjunction with a larger server simply another DLP's head, (the current provider, would not incorporate Sony) happy. The lenders want it, the cinemas have no objection in the U.S. 90% are converted to 4k. Some things no matter how improbable suddenly develop its own momentum ...
Antwort von domain:
2 K times is enough being complete.
Yesterday I was in the http://www.neuegalerie.at/09/wilson/cover.html
Exhibition, showing what was genial, Robert Wilson, but the dozens of really huge LCD TVs, which had Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, etc., etc., almost life size and with only minimal movements show that is a completely new art form and has no HD, for reaslisieren not statements of Wilson, although he would have gladly done it before.
A Picture is s.der wall and it moves as good as, but not a little.
Impressive, the SW-back view of Princess Caroline of Monaco. Full static at first glance, one notices their blink and the opening and closing their minimal Rückendecoltès breathing.
Particularly fascinating to me the "Black Panther", horizontal, life-size with its smallest movements around the eyes and ears and his blinking, this weird staring at a full predator with every hair in full HD, presented in a dark showroom.
That would be something for our Canon Mark2 moviemakers, almost nothing can move, and it moves something and you finally noticed that it is not a static picture, which s.der wall hangs ...
Antwort von pailes:
This AVCHD cams do not seem to have so many people. It is perhaps because the pro-sumer, here are the target audience, the crux of AVCHD is better informed. I think primarily it is because the camera was not so long on the market and has disseminated a lot of words about AVCHD.
For distribution in Germany, I can not say much, but of what is known in the international fora such mitbekommt, Panasonic is more than satisfied with his heel.
I believe I have once read that they like the HVX with pixel shift works. Yes that's right. I had the camera since last fall, but almost exclusively in movies 720p/50 and I am more than satisfied with the Picture. Then there are the benefits of tapeless workflow, and a whole range s.Recording modes. However, I personally hate 1080i like the plague ;-)
What is your workflow, your experiences? I transcode to ProRes and then the cut in Final Cut Pro as butter. The quality of AVC at 21mbps is excellent and overall I am very pleased with the camera. The only camera that I could possibly still interested, would be the JVC GY-HM100 been, but JVC has too much time is left, and apparently I do not have to regret my decision for the HMC ;-)
Antwort von kalle70:
Someone here still remembers s.The question of the thread starter?
Or offered here, just a forum post in which the usual religious wars are fought.
Antwort von Yerri:
Someone here still remembers s.The question of the thread starter? Yes * g *
The only way to replace the TRV 900 as far as quality and size, is the thread starter I think at the moment, only the JVC GY-HM100. And if one compares it with the price 3000th - ¬ almost the same as the time of the initial price of the Sony (; 5900th - DM). I am synonymous after HC1 crashed into the TRV900 and the lower price regions (; HF100), since it mid-priced to 2-3000 ¬ in the past two or three years, really nothing special in the market there.
Antwort von Axel:
@ kalle70
The thread starter could indeed continue to read along. After all, here reported on a successful AVCHD editing, a subject that aroused only sad shake up next. Do you think the thread is irrelevant?
The only camera that I could possibly still interested, would be the JVC GY-HM100 been, but JVC has too much time is left, and apparently I do not have to regret my decision for the HMC ;-) The point I would s.deiner not synonymous. When I calculate with a very expensive process (and only then), I reprove my HDV to ProRes synonymous, not because I could not HDV natively cut, but because better into ProRes the quality continues. But you will admit that are suspended in a
necessary transcoding the benefits of tapeless workflows to the Bandcapturen again.
Antwort von domain:
"Remember someone still here s.The question of the thread starter?" Yes already, because above all this hovers the sentence:
".... quite some time I try to follow an HD cam for my somewhat dated SonyTRV 900 found. "
Sowas example, I never would write, because before that I would rather tap my fingers to the bone, or bite his tongue because of acknowledged laziness and convenience in investigating ...
After such a Sager of any user is virtually the gloves come off for any given posting ...
Antwort von Easy Going:
Hello,
Here again, the thread starter ;-)
Is there somewhere a meaningful test of the JVC HM 100?
Antwort von pailes:
The point I would s.deiner not synonymous. When I calculate with a very expensive process (and only then), I reprove my HDV to ProRes synonymous, not because I could not HDV natively cut, but because better into ProRes the quality continues. So I'm really excited what ProRes synonymous terms. Above all, the performance of ProRes in Final Cut Pro really extraordinarily good.
But you will admit that are suspended in a necessary transcoding the benefits of tapeless workflows to the Bandcapturen again. As for the transcoding, I give you right of course. However, the tapeless workflow has synonymous has other benefits, for example, I can delete individual clips of the memory card or deleted directly after the shot with a button if the recording start is made of nothing. And I've never dropouts, juhu :-) (; and even though I always use the same memory).
Antwort von Axel:
However, the tapeless workflow has synonymous has other benefits, for example, I can delete individual clips of the memory card or deleted directly after the shot with a button if the recording start is made of nothing. And I've never dropouts, juhu :-) (; and even though I always use the same memory). I can say the same of XDCAM EX as well. Now if you tell something about its capacity, prices, alternative sources, if possible, tends TS Easy Going perhaps less for the JVC.
Antwort von pailes:
The important thing is (a viewfinder especially ordinary Lowlight, good wide angle, as a predominantly landscape filmmaker) and, of course, generally good image properties. Perhaps you should consider very carefully whether or not you spend 3300 ¬ for an HMC-151E want (for example with DVCUT). The wide range of HMC probably surpass all other current cameras in this price range.
Antwort von Axel:
Subjective Voting: Better than Panasonic JVC. Judging by what one hears (; video sweatshops, Camera-university).
