Newsmeldung von slashCAM:Test: Test: JVC GY-HM100 - The Apple camcorder? Of rudi - 24 Jul 2009 12:58:00 > The JVC GY-HM100 of bringing in an interesting price range a lot of innovative concepts for a semi-professional camera with. At last she has become synonymous arrived in our test lab.
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Antwort von Zizi:
shame .. devinitiv have expected more!
Except for the slightly better workflow, the camera seems to be a dirt against the competition!
Since there is indeed a HV30 with a better picture!
Antwort von motiongroup:
shame .. devinitiv have expected more!
Except for the slightly better workflow, the camera seems to be a dirt against the competition!
Since there is indeed a HV30 with a better picture! Thank God or they would all use the HV30 and everyone would immediately know which device was used ...
rarely as an unqualified statement is part of you, all respect.
Antwort von deti:
... synonymous, but without the Slashcam test the technical data and the sample movies on the net have suggested that the camera is not really worth their money. Still, one can then feel a bit as a professional and get the very useful 720p50 mode, which corresponds roughly synonymous in the optical performance of the camera.
Deti
Antwort von Meggs:
... let the technical data and the sample movies on the net suggest that the camera is not really worth their money. That is why the title of "The Apple camcorder??
Antwort von jazzy_d:
The native has indeed synonymous "only" 720th
But look one of the EX runtergerechnetes 720 to.
Of course, not synonymous, the dream-cam, because there is only a dream.
Antwort von Zizi:
Thank God or they would all use the HV30 and everyone would immediately know which device was used ...
rarely as an unqualified statement is part of you, all respect. Why?
The JVC is apparently in image quality far behind the competition ..
basic enough to focus ring and Apple losing format and get one for a fraction of HV30 or place an Sony500 the image quality in lowlight and much more is better!
I know the JVC but not .. My information is based only on these Tet!
But even agree to what the guys here.
Antwort von hobbycut:
[quote = "Zizi"]
But even agree to what the guys here. I hope synonymous and what strikes me the most here is judged to be severe for several magazines - is not really surprising but yes ;-)
Too bad, I thought now I get as an amateur again the standard of 1999 (, so real viewfinder, focus ring, a large screen; Micro connector) and the HD quality of 2009. Seems indeed to be no longer in it, or just beyond the 3000 euro mark ...
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
So VAD No. 5 / 2009 has come to a similar conclusion.
After all, the JVC unit 5x as much as currently a HV30 costs, since it was already a good performance of JVC expected, especially in terms of image quality synonymous to the OIS, the wide-angle, lowlight, sound recording. Great many buttons and switches to use me as very little. The monitor itself is just mediocre!
I was actually even s.der Camera very interested.
So not, however, synonymous if you appear in the case of 720p is not so bad.
For me money is there, but what JVC offers easy enough!
Antwort von Zizi:
I think the CCDs bringens simply no longer .. The XH A1 video camera was probably the last good Bidlqualität has just got her out of the art.
Dear CMOS with few drawbacks and rushing for better picture quality, cheaper and with even less!
The HD-40 was a good draft for the JVC and the JVC was the first model with CMOS .. why again is based on CCD is a mystery to me?
Has not worked out quite well .. More properties for Manual and marvelous codec of the only Apple user, the 6-fold advantage of a HD40 and incidentally did not pay a worse picture quality?
No thanks ..
Antwort von Mink:
I think the CCDs bringens simply not .. the XH A1 video camera was probably the last good Bidlqualität has just got her out of the art.
... I often suffer from just the quality of the XHA1 ....... ;)
... just like the people who have rotated Crank 2 ....
Antwort von Zizi:
... I often suffer from just the quality of the XHA1 ....... ;) So, the XH A1 has been long in my opinion not as good as claimed by all!
The top was synonymous with presets and settings just over a
HV30 .. with the price being asked very different worlds in terms of quality, especially in the Noise!
When I look at the pictures because of the DSLR look at the XH A1 is a pure trash!
Then what needs to hurry ago - ala XH A2 with 35mm sensor to meet the price to be! But as long as there are enough people paying so much would think that the synonymous and non + ultra in the video are the Manufacturer and over again 4000 euros pin-head cameras with large sensors and get yours synonymous.
... just like the people who have rotated Crank 2 ....
They've synonymous with a HF100 rotated?
ISt halt .. Stillisches their funds for this film
The rest have rotated to HDV?
Antwort von Manuell:
To this time my new knowledge of B. DeKid bring :-)
http://www.imdb.de/title/tt1121931/technical
Antwort von Meggs:
The top was synonymous with presets and settings just over a
HV30 .. with the price being asked very different worlds in terms of quality, especially in the Noise!
When I look at the pictures because of the DSLR look at the XH A1 is a pure trash!
Tell me honestly: Have you ever done something with ner XH A1S?
I have since 2 weeks and am truly excited. Forget all the noisy images - which are made with fully automatic mode.
I for one was amazed of the very good night shots, had expected with worse light sensitivity.
Antwort von motiongroup:
Tell me now time comrade without being harsh ....
Simply use the new tool of Slashcam compared with all other cams of the HM100 against ..
Lens Distortion?? HV30? SonyEX1? Lowlightrauschen?
even at 13 times LUX own eyes tested? What to watch the cam alone is not what I see now? Puck when I look at the car Lowlight result of the HV30.
Forget the tests and prefers films ... the rest is rote Nachgeplapper.
@ Meggs
I have since 2 weeks and am truly excited. Forget all the noisy images - which are made with fully automatic mode. The same is true .. the HM1oo synonymous with
Antwort von Zizi:
Tell me honestly: Have you ever done something with ner XH A1S?
I have since 2 weeks and am truly excited. Forget all the noisy images - which are made with fully automatic mode.
I for one was amazed of the very good night shots, had expected with worse light sensitivity. No. But with the XH A1 without s .. But the remains are of equal quality!
It is with automatic:
http://www.zizis-blog.com/ISO/XHA1Nacht.jpg
With the presets and manual top vote
http://www.zizis-blog.com/ISO/XHA1ManuellLowlight.jpg
And the one HV30 ..
http://www.zizis-blog.com/ISO/HV30nacht.jpg
And this is a 2500 euro Stillimage Camera
http://www.zizis-blog.com/5D/5DLowLightVideo.jpg
All with the same light!
Antwort von Meggs:
It is with automatic:
What I said.
What was the exposure time at the camera?
Antwort von Zizi:
This is not Stillimage but a frame from the 5D Mark2 + 300 Euro Lens!
The shutter I have all set the same .. So say 1 / 25 - 1 / 30
Hard to believe how cheap look Prosumer against such a monster!
Only the hope for a real time video camera with only half as large sensor will be equipped and does not equal $ 10,000!
Antwort von Yerri:
So, the XH A1 has been long in my opinion not as good as claimed by all! Dear Zizi!
The XH A1 is synonymous designed for people who are somewhat familiar with the matter. Was it a bad buy for you and does not chalk up the camera. The same goes for the Canon 5D Mark2. When I read here your cries for help you will come synonymous with this camera is not clear, because you simply lack the basic knowledge. And yet you play here not as big on Videoguru and judgments about things where you have little or no idea.
I do not want to expose you here and point to a different forum, where you have shaken, not too long ago, of course, under a different name, have asked questions about which every beginner in Stillimage / video area only his head.
We all started again with our hobby very young and learned a lot over the years. But what you here sometimes s.Halb-up of ignorance is give you some embarrassing.
There are actually members - and the notes you after a few sentences - in the Stillimage / video section hinted full, and it makes fun of such expert input to read. But you will never see these people with such a clumsy posts - as has often been of barge you - here.
So do you teach at your school times s.Fachwissen something, then you bring synonymous here in the forum a better understanding of the technical things with.
Do not be angry, but being forced off times.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
The XH A1 is synonymous designed for people who are somewhat familiar with the matter. And you'll get the dreadful CA your experience with this camera now out except avoidance of relevant host situations?
The truth is, someone who is filming with a consumer camera, much more needs to be able to get good quality from such a device as someone with a well-equipped prosumer camera.
I say this without any intended hubris after 50 years of experience in Stillimage, Stillimage lab, Super 8 film and video of VHS, Hi8, DV and HDV.
Come, do not talk to each other and love (please one or the other camp, Consumer / Prosumer) the qualifications off!
Antwort von gunman:
So, the XH A1 has been long in my opinion not as good as claimed by all!
Dear Zizi!
The XH A1 is synonymous designed for people who are somewhat familiar with the matter. Was it a bad buy for you and does not chalk up the camera. The same goes for the Canon 5D Mark2. When I read here your cries for help you will come synonymous with this camera is not clear, because you simply lack the basic knowledge. And yet you play here not as big on Videoguru and judgments about things where you have little or no idea.
I do not want to expose you here and point to a different forum, where you not so long ago, of course, under a different name, have asked questions about which every beginner in
Hello,
Applause!
Gunman
Stillimage / video area only shook his head.
We all started again with our hobby very young and learned a lot over the years. But what you here sometimes s.Halb-up of ignorance is give you some embarrassing.
There are actually members - and the notes you after a few sentences - in the Stillimage / video section hinted full, and it makes fun of such expert input to read. But you will never see these people with such a clumsy posts - as has often been of barge you - here.
So do you teach at your school times s.Fachwissen something, then you bring synonymous here in the forum a better understanding of the technical things with.
Do not be angry, but being forced off times.
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Antwort von Meggs:
And you'll get the dreadful CA your experience with this camera now out except avoidance of relevant host situations?
I draw on live events, because we can avoid any shooting situations. The A1S now came with 2 plays (; Freihlichtbühne) are used. The evening pieces (; 20:30 to 23:00) has the light conditions of her stay all odds, to a videographer so. Light, colored artificial light, mixed lighting, etc.. I do this for 5 years, had been here several camcorders in use, such as Canon XM2 and XL2.
In both pieces, I could not shooting at the A1S CA's find more noise. Their recordings have to classes A1S better than the shots of the XM2 and XL2 synonymous. Not because of the higher resolution, the final product will be SD. Sharpness, color fidelity and light sensitivity are just great.
I know the camera still not very good, no presets have stopped. What I did: the gain in the 1st Part of the evening served to 0db, the 2nd Part limited to 6 db, and controlled the exposure with the mad manual aperture ring.
No idea what was using preset Zizi how light or dark it actually was. My intention is to capture light situations as they are when it is dark, the video will be synonymous dark, and not artificially brightened.
What I've noticed: The A1S turns on the gain, if synonymous of the Aperture ago still have enough reserves there. Therefore, I limited the gain.
Antwort von Zizi:
So do you teach at your school times s.Fachwissen something, then you bring synonymous here in the forum a better understanding of the technical things with.
You take your mouth quite full ..
The initial question I posed to 1 or 2 years are already quite a long time ago and learn about this man!
What does this have anything to do with this thread and how did you know that I won 0 ahnung?
What gives you the incentive at all to offend me so ..
The XH A1 is in my opinion not a good camera .. The sensors are the same size as for a HV30 and the Optics is synonymous not just the yellow from the egg for the price!
I got the part at the end ausgeschöpt quite well and the fact that the already extremely ugly rushes at 32db with presets
a bit better (; have mainly the use of Wolfgang) + Vertigo only possible with AF and in general (the extremely poor automatics, which can indeed we need time-synonymous) paired with screen viewfinder, and how they are better is $ 500 camcorder will make the camera never as good as it öffters device is asserted.
Each Sonyist me because my dear! (; ZBS. FX1000)
Meggs is right .. The XH A1 is the recording situation is very true to how it is in reality, but I expect in a camera that costs $ 3-4000 now and 2009 just where the additional performance of the print image in the DSLR market change round a lot more .. synonymous when I look at the new Sony Consumer (; XR520), one notices only look at how weak one XH A1 is a "professional model".
Antwort von Meggs:
The sensors are the same size as for a HV30 and the Optics is synonymous not just the yellow from the egg for the price!
The HV 30 has 1 with CMOS 1/2.7 inch, A1S, the 3 CCD's with 1 / 3 inch. I do not think you can compare it. Nor, as the 43 mm lens of the HV30 with the 72 mm optics of A1S. I think the lens A1S well and the price of the camera properly.
Antwort von Zizi:
The HV 30 has 1 with CMOS 1/2.7 inch, A1S, the 3 CCD's with 1 / 3 Inch Yes I compare it with a stop SonyXR520 the sensor is not only the same size as the 3, the XH A1 but still technically on a different plane, as well as synonymous in the noise performance!
Apart from the much better display / viewfinder, HDMI, and the newer codec, and the huge price difference!
I do not think so synonymous, the XH A1 in the dynamics is much better?
I do not want to offend any proprietorial synonymous and synonymous not say that the XH A1 is a bad camera, but I expect with such a rod more money than an HDV camera in image quality as Monster, automation, display, Verabreitung can hardly keep up with a consumer which costs only a fraction of the price!
The tend to compare apples and pears, but it is steal it amazing how much such a small donation Cams big the show.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
@ Meggs,
Thanks for your report.
S.Hell-/Dunkelkanten About the CA can be read in Wolfgang's blog something.
Basically, we must here and there with some little problems bother with the cameras. If there were no problems, it would be very boring!
Antwort von Yerri:
The initial question I posed to 1 or 2 years are already quite a long time ago and learn about this man! Just to clarify this once more: The Beginners Questions are from the February / March this year, and so I am already wondering how to search for such a short time here in the forum can let them hang out the absolute Durchblicker.
What does this have anything to do with this thread and how did you know that I won 0 ahnung? Well if I read it because:
"Except for the slightly better workflow, the camera seems to be a dirt against the competition!" And know
from whence comes this wisdom to curl at my toenails.
But enough of that one you have already said several times here in the forum's opinion in this regard.
Antwort von mon3:
[quote = "Zizi"]
... And the fact that the already extremely ugly rushes at 32db with presets .... muaha that was your best yet!
Antwort von Zizi:
404ERR
Antwort von pailes:
Absolutely every camera in this price region, and sometimes synonymous significantly cheaper and offers better image quality and features that is what counts! Strange, Philip Bloom, holding the camera for a long time in the hands and was not even believe that this is a bad camera:
http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/04/17/review-of-jvc-gy-hm-100/
But you're known to be the measure of all things, and Philip Bloom is an amateur.
Antwort von deti:
Begrudge this thread, please be quiet Sunday! We know your views and eventually turns the rather personal discussion in a circle.
Deti
Antwort von pailes:
Begrudge this thread, please be quiet Sunday! We know your views and eventually turns the rather personal discussion in a circle. I have not even posted in this thread, a forum for discussion is because if the thread does not fit you, then read it yet (not easy;?)
To me it's pure entertainment.
Antwort von hobbycut:
Strange, Philip Bloom, holding the camera for a long time in the hands and was not even believe that this is a bad camera: What do I connect the synonymous opinion of "experts" is seldom clear. But in China is synonymous s.and to even make a ripple around ... ;-)
Greeting Hobbycut (; proud amateur ;-)
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Who can read, who notes that the two test reports in VAD and Slashcam speak a clear language.
Good who is eligible, the camera can still take into their own hands to the reviews from other properties criticized themselves to check if you can.
That is why we still need the people here do not deal in person only because they assume the correctness of the two test reports.
Shame on you!
Antwort von gunman:
That is why we still need the people here do not deal in person only because they assume the correctness of the two test reports.
Shame on you! [/ Quote]
HI
So who here who "personally concerned" I think that would first be made clear once again!
If qualified forum members such as Lutz Dieckamnn the camera (not as bad, to express myself even so called), then I can not understand how to write is "... the camera would be a mess against the competition!
One can not disagree with an assessment, and one can write it synonymous, but as in real life, THE SOUND OF MUSIC.
I am certainly NOT ashamed.
Gunman
Antwort von Yerri:
One can not disagree with an assessment, and one can write it synonymous, but as in real life, THE SOUND OF MUSIC.
And exactly why because I know of who did this criticism, I have expressed above it. Meanwhile, there are enough users of this camera are mostly very happy with it. Also, I had the camera in a shorter test and was pleased with the recordings. But one should ever use the possibilities of manual handling of this camera.
Antwort von Zizi:
If qualified forum members such as Lutz Dieckamnn the camera (not as bad, to express myself even so called), then I can not understand how to write is "... the camera would be a mess against the competition!
One can not disagree with an assessment, and one can write it synonymous, but as in real life, THE SOUND OF MUSIC.
I am certainly NOT ashamed.
Gunman I need to be rich no guru to say that it is filth from the competition (as the technical data; CCDs + Optics) and Test pictures!
What is clear is little hard Maybe an exaggeration, but where I am right I am right .. I give a damn to your preso criticisms and insults towards me!
So it does me leit for JVC, display, WW, lowlight, distortion and all sow for the sale price is probably
nothing compared to the competition! If the quality at least on HV30 or JVC HD40 level then it would still be manageable, but I see enough potential to be preferred to it was seriously a good consumer!
Antwort von pailes:
Who can read, who notes that the two test reports in VAD and Slashcam speak a clear language. You can hang s.irgendwelchen reviews, or to decide for themselves whether a product meets personal criteria. Here, many factors play a role. For many, the HM-100 seems to fill an important gap.
I have no camera, but if I was interested I would make myself a picture of it.
That is why we still need the people here do not deal in person only because they assume the correctness of the two test reports.
Shame on you! I find here should be ashamed to different people. And although the word choice and grammar.
Antwort von aircam:
I would like s.dieser place again, a general
Bring criticism: the lousy angle!
The 39 mm here in this price range are really
an imposition. Assuming the field as by then SD 10
or TG 7, etc., the same thing. Just because the cams so
"mini" is the most fundamental is a good wide angle
s.24mm distortion. One would prefer to
eg 16-times zoom save, which encourages even more so after Tripod
and "touch me not"
It is classified defacto rather than frightening, that with one
one little tinkering KodakZX1 a relatively excellentes
Picture provides the finishing touches on only one type OIS is missing.
Manufacturer's saying mostly all have (; willfully?)
Your homework is not done or produced in
Meaning practical application by s.Kunden
Antwort von ed-media:
In the United States and English-speaking countries, most of the really large and small HM100 are all really excited to read more here
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/jvc-gy-hm-series-camera-systems/
Antwort von Meggs:
I need to be rich no guru to say that it is filth from the competition (as the technical data; CCDs + Optics) and Test pictures!
What ultimately counts, yet the results during the shoot, and not the tech. Test data or pictures of others.
You always bring back the HV30 or similar consumer models come into play. In the real turning the handling of the camcorder is very crucial for the outcome. For semi-professional camcorders, and of course, synonymous Proficamcordern the proper handling. The 12 lux test pictures made with automatic system of anyone who, for me not really meaningful.
For me, test, test pictures, etc. are only indicative. A ruling fälle I only if I actually once worked with the camera.
Antwort von motiongroup:
Completely into the Black Maggs ...
still'd add something to the Comparison
PANA 171 ww 28mm subs ~ 5500
http://produktdbimages.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_objektiv_verzeichnung_80.jpg
SonyEX1 distortion WW31, 4mm subs ~ 6490
http://produktdbimages.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_objektiv_verzeichnung_42.jpg
SONY HVR Z5 ww29, 5mm subs ~ 4500
http://produktdbimages.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_objektiv_verzeichnung_85.jpg
JVC HM100 WW39mm Price 3 ~ 3400
http://produktdbimages.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_objektiv_verzeichnung_106.jpg
Everywhere distortion and even greater and even if the WWBereich would align in millimeters of the HM100, I think the difference would not be measurable.
Antwort von Harald_123:
So it does me leit for JVC, display, WW, lowlight, distortion and all sow for the sale price is probably nothing compared to the competition! With these, you reach only repeated statements that every mitbekommt: "Zizi is really not an expert!"
Antwort von Zizi:
Zizi wrote the following:
So it does me leit for JVC, display, WW, lowlight, distortion and all sow for the sale price is probably nothing compared to the competition!
With these, you reach only repeated statements that every mitbekommt: "Zizi is really not an expert!"
Yes you are quite right .. The JVC has super distortion WW, great display / viewfinder system that teaches us to fear the competition, and of course the Excellent Lowlight what bie ¬ Class of 3000 everything else in the shade ..
Yes you are the expert here not me!
Antwort von Meggs:
You can think only in extremes, right?
Learning From "A dirt against the competition" and "the competition to fear" there are many gradations. How about with "has advantages and disadvantages to competition synonymous?
Antwort von Zizi:
You can think only in extremes, right?
Learning From "A dirt against the competition" and "the competition to fear" there are many gradations. How about with "has advantages and disadvantages to competition synonymous? Yes because you're right .. Maybe I should take a leaf to me more often at the mouth! Nevertheless, the JVC has seriously buy too many negative aspects to it for that price too! Whether the British now fine on the nature or expressed in any Hartz4 vocabulary is probably left to themselves.
Antwort von PowerMac:
In your opinion, my dear Zizi. It's about your opinion.
How about with "I think that ..." instead of "it's so that ...".
Antwort von PowerMac:
In your opinion, my dear Zizi. It's about your opinion.
How about with "I think that ..." instead of "it's so that ...".
Antwort von Zizi:
Once is enough, my dear PowerMac!
I will take your ehrreichen tips behind your ears to write .. Thank you!
Antwort von gunman:
Once is enough, my dear PowerMac!
I will take your ehrreichen tips behind your ears to write .. Thank you! I raise it!
Gunman
Antwort von motiongroup:
http://www.film-tv-video.de/newsdetail+M5a8f16059a5.html?&tx_ttnews
a bit of a misconception to think about so many here in Fred.
Antwort von Tallarean:
Hi folks!
I've got time 2 questions:
1. The cam has indeed this particular Manuel-focus mode where the picture black and Weis will then be dyed and the edges. Works well gibts synonymous or a simple magnifying glass?
2. Would this cam be a good introduction to the handling of a camera to learn with it? So, attitude, use of focus about the aperture about the shutter time, etc.?
Thanks in advance!
Antwort von WoWu:
Synonymous Somehow I think the thread title a little off because of the (; Apple). Mov Filecontainer equivalent (; up to more recent refinements, Apple has added for the use of multi-tone), which completely. Mp4 container, so the " official 'MPEG 4 container. It has only to do away with "Apple" to. Conversely it could be called any camcorder in spending. Mp4 synonymous than Apple camcorder ...
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
a bit of a misconception to think about so many here in Fred.
Gehts now better in low light?
Antwort von domain:
We know this by now, Bruno, that your current camcorder are spotless and absolutely everything runs perfectly with you.
By the way what camera do you currently use mostly really?
It should not be difficult to spread as much salt into the wound of each model, that your joy may be synonymous spoiled it.
Antwort von gunman:
We know this by now, Bruno, that your current camcorder are spotless and absolutely everything runs perfectly with you.
By the way what camera do you currently use mostly really?
It should not be difficult to spread as much salt into the wound of each model, that your joy may be synonymous spoiled it. Hi,
If I give you absolutely right! You can make worm ANY camera.
The JVC HM 100 is not the Nec plus ultra, that's true. I will not repeat here, but I'm waiting .. waiting .. waiting .. still on the competing models of Canon or Sony ...
I am a little older and sooo long I can wait no longer synonymous, so I bought the HM 100!
Gunman
Antwort von motiongroup:
So I find the answer again and again and marvel at the ingenious LOW Lights at 12 LUX particularly for the reason that I no longer see themselves more as quality has .... the rest. adjust the colors and the noise is low and the rest ought to take on the additional lighting that I should get the 12 LUX are in any case too little .... The same is synonymous with the 30 lux test ..
Antwort von Tallarean:
I'm not the greatest Pro, but I've always noticed earlier the principle: "The more light the better."
But even if the camera is s.sich I do not think appropriate for Nachfilmen. More for coverage and documentary films, or?
I understand that there are people much respect to the statistics, I'm synonymous. But one, I guess you should know what what you need.
And yes, I realize the man with the Low-Light and Medium-Light test will show how-aperture, the sensor is because the intensity eqievalent quality and contrast / sharpness is.
If I say something wrong, please correct me. And I will cut down anyone synonymous here.
Thus, even Happy Day!
