Newsmeldung von slashCAM:Test: Test: Panasonic GH1 - Kit of rudi - 15 Jun 2009 16:26:00 > Many users have been waiting a long time on the Panasonic GH1. Finally, a camera finally seems to manual settings for video capture with a relatively large sensor to unite what is a delight for the hearts of many scenic Filmer. Now she was in our test lab, and so was ready a few surprises ...
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Antwort von ThomasS:
I had received the camera immediately after delivery and had a stuttering start, unfortunately, synonymous. The whole, I had to DVXUser here
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=173577
Conclusion for me: Great camera with great potential and great handling, but at this stage simply not yet mature.
Antwort von jazzy_d:
No commercial use? And the note is in the manual? 'd Like to know the court before which can withstand. I now have to study first the manual to know what I can do with a purchased device and what is not?
I'd say I buy the device, I'm filming with the device and I do with the filmed what I want. Point.
Would be as if I should buy a car with radio and then the manual says that I can not with passengers listening to the radio (and the passenger may have indeed does not pay any fees) or so.
Apple already tried synonymous with limitations in any license terms that are displayed after the installation, prevent the Mac is installed on your PC. And it can nevertheless not be prevented (; EFix).
What do think about such a product manager anyway?
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Well, then the video function of GH1 in the present state has been quite disenchanted by the Slashcamteam. It is simply not worth spending so equal to 1.550 euro for the moment.
Was Slashcamteam not really out there with the camera?
In other test shots I have seen clearly that the autofocus too slow responding.
Antwort von molch:
Thanks for the review.
I'd be interested in the depth of field behavior in comparison to other SLRs with APS-C sensors. Yes, the Canon has a 35mm chip.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... No commercial use? And the note is in the manual? ... What may be meant more in a legal sense with this notice, a prohibition of commercial recordings with this device, it is not safe. The GH1 yes is not the first camera in the manual with this note: It can be found, for example, also in the HPX301, and with this camcorder will be almost exclusively commercial rotated. Recently, there was synonymous only a forum discussion on this very point, but I could not find it now.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... If one then the creative possibilities of large APS-C chip size ... Who wants to see in GH1, needs imagination: When the Camera 4/3-Systems synonymous, and it has a 4/3-Inch-Sensor anybody - much larger - APS-C sensor as it is used in many DSLRs.
Antwort von ruessel:
What may be meant more in a legal sense with this notice http://www.heise.de/newsticker/AT-T-meldet-Ansprueche-aus-MPEG-4-Patenten-an--/meldung/69506
Antwort von Interlaced_Killer:
I suspect that the two processors in the GH1 "Fulllll-HD" have problems.
- In the NTSC version has smeared images in 1080p
- For the PAL version is reported dropped frames
Both allegedly use of fast SD cards. And it is indicative of the same vulnerability.
So my question is: Which mode you will find the dropped frames?
Antwort von pailes:
I suspect that the two processors in the GH1 "Fulllll-HD" have problems.
- In the NTSC version has smeared images in 1080p
- For the PAL version is reported dropped frames
Both allegedly use of fast SD cards. And it is indicative of the same vulnerability. Although I'm not, but there are some sample files and synonymous in the PAL version you can find the extreme smearing during fast pans. Very, very bad. Apparently it is on 720p/50 but not so pronounced.
So my question is: Which mode you will find the dropped frames? From what you just read it at 1080th Could actually be a bug in the codec implementation, which occurs only in 1080th
Antwort von p@ul:
... If one then the creative possibilities of large APS-C chip size ...
Who wants to see in GH1, needs imagination: When the Camera 4/3-Systems synonymous, and it has a 4/3-Inch-Sensor anybody - much larger - APS-C sensor as it is used in many DSLRs. So I think the Comparison with the Pentax K-7 will only really interesting. Hope it come soon as possible about the new video mode of the Pentax. :)
Antwort von schu:
All have cameras at 25 frames per second, an exposure time of a 50stel second, as synonymous, the GH1 as a standard.
A 25stel is not possible with traditional film cameras because the shutter mirror half the time will be closed (;) 180 ° shutter.
A 25stel would be synonymous not make sense, because then the motion blur too large (; mud).
All the 25p cameras have thus the same motion-shutter-effects such as "real" 35mm or 16mm cameras. It is only on a direct Comparison with 50i (; interlace-gag) stronger.
Schuh (; happier GH1-owner)
Antwort von partylogger:
I am synonymous in possession of these compact, lightweight and yet very powerful GH1. It takes great pictures and is very intuitive and easy to operate with little effort.
This is synonymous for the video function of Panasonic has been integrated well thought out. The videos look brilliant from that are sharp and color strength.
But what use to me the best camera, if I am not able to adequately handle the captured footage. I own a Mac, the latest generation, but:
- Final Cut Express crashes during logging of files
- And iMovie '09 vermatscht during capture and thereby vorgenommemer automatic conversion to Apple Intermediate Codec, the shots so much that of the sharpness and brilliance nothing remains
I wiederhiole: A Mac, ideal for video - and Image editing is not in a position to deal adequately with a modern and now very popular format like AVCHD. I never thought that I envy with the recorded videos of GH1 and owners look at Windows users who present without noticeable loss of quality their videos.
Antwort von pailes:
I wiederhiole: A Mac, ideal for video - and Image editing is not in a position to deal adequately with a modern and now very popular format like AVCHD. Strangely enough, VLC has its problems as synonymous with the AVCHD footage of GH1. Trying times Toast to transcode the clips.
Antwort von rudi:
Who wants to see in GH1, needs imagination: When the Camera 4/3-Systems synonymous, and it has a 4/3-Inch-Sensor anybody - much larger - APS-C sensor as it is used in many DSLRs. Sorry, our mistake of Page, is corrected in the article now.
The 4/3-Inch area is still fairly "large" and is still closer s.35mm because s.16mm format.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
An increase in the movement, it brings no resolution, but it creates the typical 25p judder. What does that tell us Slashcam?
I Take on something without moving, then nothing jerky, or do you love tester?
If I take on something with movement, it can be jerk, but s.wann?
Just the interest of the consumer test reports and not a Pauschalaburteilung that this mode would be about completely discarded.
For sure I can get in previously well-prepared and well thought-recording the problem under control, more moderate movement or change the location for the shooting angle.
Antwort von mht:
... If one then the creative possibilities of large APS-C chip size ...
Who wants to see in GH1, needs imagination: When the Camera 4/3-Systems synonymous, and it has a 4/3-Inch-Sensor anybody - much larger - APS-C sensor as it is used in many DSLRs. Such statements bear witness only of gross ignorance.
The sensor of GH1 is about 13 times as large as the one in this price range
usual 1 / 3 "chip, chip of the APS-C Canon is again 1.46 times as large.
At which point the difference is probably "significantly"?
The GH1 is fairly close s.35mm (; Movies) movie
we need as synonymous "fantasy" to the creative possibilities
to see?
Antwort von NEEL:
Have I just seen the Cam in a photo shop and rotated with material taken home. I am not yet convinced of the handling of the quality. I think those are all just gimmicks. For most likely at present to decide between the Panasonic HMC 151 and the JVC HM play 100th These are "real" camcorder, and with a rented 35mm adapter is certainly better than this small DSLR (; like the EX1 Letus synonymous with the Canon 5d MKII, at least during daylight hours will outperform). Too bad that Slashcam here comes not from the house shoes and makes the most low-budget cams these days outside before.
Antwort von CCD08:
Camera takes up in AVCHD mode always max 29 min 59 sec per scene, regardless of resolution. Myself to the test included synonymous for more than 15 minutes full HD, files will be larger than 2 gigabytes. Restriction has customs reasons, because (video cameras; Inch: including recording longer than 30 min) and Digital Photographs are not dutiable. In non-EU countries, there is this limit of 30 minutes not. 2GByte limit applies only for MJPEG recording.
While there is certainly still possible improvements, but have camera synonymous after the weekend, which has given me Fotohänlder reserve, and find it great still. Know of no consumer camera in Normalpreisbereich so clear color differentiation and so large dynamic range and offers additionally Wide Anglebei begins 28 mm. Here are the GH1 penetrates into the class of nearly 10 000 euro from cameras costing.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Such statements bear witness only of gross ignorance ... If you say ;-)
... Sensor of GH1 is about 13 times as large as the ... 1 / 3 "chip, chip of the APS-C Canon is again 1.46 times as large as synonymous ... you need" fancy " to see the creative possibilities? ... At least you have amply demonstrated imagination in the interpretation of my statement. That 1/3-Inch-Chip is much smaller, you may assume as well known, but it was not in Slashcam test at such a Comparison. My wording was a nice reference to a clerical error in the text - and just as it has so rudi synonymous understood.
Antwort von Uwe:
Lowlight footage:
http://www.vimeo.com/5179973
This part is primarily a 720p50-camera. There she received reflected what could be seen previously. 1080p25 is synonymous, of course - but as with Tripod, (very slow pans, otherwise possibly mud in green area) and no large movements in the scene. Who can live with that for which it should be OK. Above all, with all the advantages => large sensor, swivel display, well-pleasing + silent AF in video ..... etc. The most important thing is of course the full manual control + very good lowlight capabilities - as you can easily see in this clip. And that only with the slow kit lens. Adapter for Nikon + Canon lenses are relatively cheap to get.
It is definitely worth a consideration.
Antwort von NEEL:
Know of no consumer camera in Normalpreisbereich so clear color differentiation and so large dynamic range and offers additionally Wide Anglebei begins 28 mm. Here are the GH1 penetrates into the class of nearly 10 000 euro from cameras costing. "Consumerbreich" hits the nail on the head. Somewhat loosely speaking very good for Aunt Erna's birthday. In Semiprobereich are still a lot of other important factors, such as sound or handling. Automatic latch on small sounds usually terrible. Even if I try to add an event or shoot a documentary out of my hand, I get problems with this type of sound that Ergomie and the short recording time.
For Comparison: I have just rented an HMC 151st It has a ganzhervorragenden XLR sound, 180 minutes recording time on a 16Gb card, good to very good Lowlighteigenschaften and a very cinematic picture. If I try to rotate so theatrical and concert recordings, or simply dramatic short films, I am with the HMC 151 (; wide, also 28mm) is much better off than with a still camera so great, even if these offer a slightly better dynamic range and color differentiation . A replacement for a camcorder, it provides in my view, not nearly. All IMHO is only interesting if Panasonic will start to incorporate the chip into the case of GH1 an HMC 151st
Antwort von p@ul:
Have I just seen the Cam in a photo shop and rotated with material taken home. I am not yet convinced of the handling of the quality. I think those are all just gimmicks. For most likely at present to decide between the Panasonic HMC 151 and the JVC HM play 100th So that a variety of price 2500 ¬ [to the hmc 151] really makes a difference surprised me but now synonymous! ; D vlt But you're right. If you are already thinking of 1500 ¬ to give ... then why not just a little more. : D Sry ... but if you really just wants to film and the money for an HMC 151 states then you are thinking I do not think buying a GH1 to .... and if the whole is not directly related to the GH1 then it is For me, here, just misplaced. Please corrects me if I lie dead wrong. :)
Antwort von NEEL:
is [quote] Sry ... but if you really just wants to film and the money for an HMC 151 states then you are thinking I do not think buying a GH1 to .... and if the whole is not directly related to the GH1 then for me, here, just misplaced. Please corrects me if I lie dead wrong. :) [Quote]
Well, the tone of the article is called "staged shooting" and therefore of you may actually lie a little off. I want synonymous film "really just" rent to me and stop one webcam when the time comes, it costs p.40 euros per day for an EX1. In five days of filming makes the 200. I want to BUY me a cam above of $ 1,000 if I can make so much money that pays the price, eg via promotional films and events. The GH1 far cost more than the Canon 500d which Uraubs-Birthday Movies and completely inadequate, and moreover makes the better photos.
Antwort von partylogger:
In the whole discussion is always remember that the GH1 originally a camera and is indeed a damn good one. And it is the first, with movie function allows a wide range of manual intervention in the settings. Compare Camera with camcorders is pure mE total nonsense. In particular, the Comparison to the HMC151 is nonsense. Take photos with the times. Regardless of the cost over 2,000 euros more.
What really moves you, always here to talk about any camera with video function badly. And that often, without having the thing ever even held hands.
Antwort von schakal.:
Speaking of himself held in the hand ....
Today I brought the camera from the shop to test home.
Current manual, it should be possible in the mode "M" with the front dial by pressing between shutter speed and aperture settings and switch back to attention.
In the works of my borrowed camera does not, but I can only set the time for which I have in Aperture Quick Menu, which is synonymous with your camera like that?
Would already have a German complicated ...
Otherwise, as the camera "TOP"
as a video camera, with my HV30, I'm at 25p synonymous my problems, but for many settings, it fits just simply brilliant ...
After the 1080i with 50 images will be promoted, you must still catch up with Panasonic, but there was an update, because with 50i, it has nothing to do ....
Rather, like a 25p mode ....
Antwort von p@ul:
Well, the tone of the article is called "staged shooting" and therefore of you may actually lie a little off. ... okey ... because this is somewhat subjective, I can tell you there respeak not synonymous. If you have noticed how I have to disagree.
Hire. Is the short term, probably cheaper. Finds but comfortable dealing with a camera Long-term in order to really be able to be good deal to be synonymous. But is synonymous geschmackssache. I prefer saving hald drauf ^ ^
And because of the 500D .... you have a link somewhere vlt compares to a side of the GH1 with the 500D. I am thinking that is what dslr (and I know ... GH1 is not a real dslr) should I purchase. Video function is because I want a film to be synonymous. 'd Be glad if you can tell me about it more.
Antwort von molch:
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/review-121-Panasonic+GH1%2C+a+Stunning+ Video + Camera + in + a + Good + DSLR.html
Below the video
Antwort von CCD08:
Speaking of himself held in the hand ....
Today I brought the camera from the shop to test home.
Current manual, it should be possible in the mode "M" with the front dial by pressing between shutter speed and aperture settings and switch back to attention.
In the works of my borrowed camera does not, but I can only set the time for which I have in Aperture Quick Menu, which is synonymous with your camera like that?
Would already have a German complicated ...
A. In the mode "M" can I set as described in the manual both time synonymous Aperture on dial, when I press down and her turn.
@ Neel Perhaps interesting for purchasing info: Electronic Viewfinder for GH1 enables video recordings from the hand with a view through viewfinder. With "normal" SLR camera when shooting through viewfinder flip up the mirror darkly, control only over the rear monitor. Additionally GH1 good stereo microphone is built-in. Silent zooming and AF is only for the supplied kit lens.
Antwort von partylogger:
.... It should be possible to run manual, mode "M" with the front dial by pressing between shutter speed and aperture settings and switch back to attention.
In the works of my borrowed camera does not, but I can only set the time for which I have in Aperture Quick Menu, which is synonymous with your camera so ?....
The possibility of setting you have described to you in Video Creativity mode. But you have to first define how the front command dial behaves or functions with which it is occupied. See Manual Page 108th
Antwort von handiro:
I have the GH1 now 2 weeks and am absolutely happy!
log & transfer into Final Cut Pro transcoded into prer (and what I always use anyway), or faster than voltaic neoscene (and the synonymous but there's an extra cost for FCE and imovie users could be useful)
I can make great shots and got a bunch of Lenses and Adapters, I have a blurred bokeh with the sharp nose and eyelashes are .... what I want?
I've bought them for very specific tasks and the executioner with Schmackes!
The test was good and important to the codec errors are known, are the next pixelpeepers its pixel count, this is about content and 720p and the range completely.
In particular, the optics ..... my old Nikon Lenses .... the possibilities ..... Adapters a dream!
s.alle pixelpeepers and madigmacher: weitermeckern beautiful and waiting for your egg Wollmilchsau, which is yet to be determined this fall :-)
Antwort von molch:
How it works properly with other lenses Manufacturer, which are mounted on a purely mechanical Bajonettadaper? AF is probably gone, but what about the with the Apperture of control?
Antwort von pailes:
I can make great shots and got a bunch of Lenses and Adapters, I have a blurred bokeh with the sharp nose and eyelashes are .... what I want? Can you give a brief overview about your adapter and Lenses. I would like to get a piece of the camera synonymous, but I am relatively new as regards the subject of photography.
Antwort von schakal.:
@ Party logger
Thanks!
Hehe, the camera is simply too much:)
Down control of a show I'm not supposed to, but not so well I've studied the instructions, because I was busy trying to absorb material:)
Conclusion of my first tests ...
It will go to 99% in my possession!
Time a question s.The Pixelzählenden GH1 critics among us!
Which TV do you give the recorded material properly again?
I have owned a Philips PFL 9603, and in normal pan with FullHD actually almost no problems playing ...
Help me the best camera in the TV weakest nothing ....
Sure, there are always things to improve, and the egg Wollmilchsau will come, just not affordable for an ordinary ...
And PS: It is in the GH1 at a camera!
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
How is it really this:
http://www.vimeo.com/5072139
??
Antwort von bernardo:
When zooming my GH1 with the kit lens, despite manual preset Aperture, Shutter and ISO, and turned off "Intelligent exposure setting changes' exposure - there are step-like changes and flickering. Have synonymous found other such problems?
Moreover, regardless of this problem, sometimes one or two dark frames and then the exposure is back to normal. These phenomena, I have found both in 1080i than 720p synonymous.
One more general comment on the Zoom Lens is my very stiff and this is certainly not uniform. Subtle changes are not I get out smoothly. And in quieter recording environment are in the recording Zoomgeräusche heard.
I've now uploaded an example on YouTube:
I see at least 3 step-like variations in brightness and the shadows are not changed. The parameters are: Aperture 6.3 (; therefore smaller than the largest aperture at max. Zoom - for otherwise the change of the max. Opening when zooming an explanation); shutter 200, ISO 100, manual focus.
Antwort von partylogger:
When zooming my GH1 with the kit lens, despite manual preset Aperture, Shutter and ISO, and turned off "Intelligent exposure setting changes' exposure - there are step-like changes and flickering. Have synonymous found other such problems?
Moreover, regardless of this problem, sometimes one or two dark frames and then the exposure is back to normal. These phenomena, I have found both in 1080i than 720p synonymous.
One more general comment on the Zoom Lens is my very stiff and this is certainly not uniform. Subtle changes are not I get out smoothly. And in quieter recording environment are in the recording Zoomgeräusche heard. I can not confirm your observations. Only the heavy duty with the zoom, I have found synonymous. There is no eineelektronische adjustment.
What do I (for me, found synonymous in720p) I, is a sometimes stuttering occurring in the recorded material, as the camera would have skipped a few frames. I've read about it, but only in 1080i mode. If (my cards, A-Data, 16 GB, Class 6) are too slow?
Antwort von molch:
Hmm, the dropouts should occur occasionally in 720p mode seems simple ...
Antwort von handiro:
How it works properly with other lenses Manufacturer, which are mounted on a purely mechanical Bajonettadaper? AF is probably gone, but what about the with the Apperture of control? full manual control ..... what always wanted to have all on it ..... and even an old nikkor manual ..... EVERYTHING is nothing automatic: manual!
There is an adapter of pana for the old 4 / 3 Lenses, with electrical contacts, with which one can use certain AF Lenses with ....
I have a Nikon to 4 / 3 and a c-mount to 4 / 3
the c-mount gibts vignetting, which can be compensated by the zoom factor.
Nikon lenses to double the focal .... my 1.1.4 50 mm is therefore a scarce resource to 100mm but with one bokeh, the almost hurts!
I'm totally happy with this solution, maybe I'll buy a canon adapter synonymous da gibts good cheap glasses ....
the whole is a further step in the pixel, the degree of revolution is taking place and I'm just thrilled!
Here, grad mal reingeworfen without sound / music but accelerated ...
http://exposureroom.com/073f04003d7c4129a1a8dd723c0f9016/
Antwort von molch:
Thank you.
Have not found what synonymous with the adapters: provides for electronical controlled Lenses Novoflex adapter synonymous with aperture control on s.Adapters.
Antwort von jeromekatzenbach:
How is it really this:
http://www.vimeo.com/5072139
?? The reason could be the following:
The sensor of the camera spends as described 25p.
It also assumes that land as if this MJPEG or AVCHD on memory.
Just as we had expected, perhaps all of them.
Imported it (the material; synonymous) via Final Cut Pro in Apple ProRes is a Quicktime later come of it.
This can look at themselves as such in QT.
When one plays the quicktimes and playing information fetch, you'll see the frame rate: 30 fps.
It must, therefore "all come round nose" to a jump in the synchronization.
Just as we are indeed synonymous when playing in a more moderate form of 24p in the 25p "world" knows.
The available test clips to show this in the forum, like a "jerk"-characterized phenomenon.
Such as the Lowlighttest or just quoting clip.
Here comes the likes playing workflow under suspicion.
I have the next test synonymous.
If you play the material on a DVD to see how it looks on a classic tube, will be seen that this error occurs as synonymous.
Although it is a playback problem, which arises, however, likely to generate even when the codec.
And, unfortunately, is not repairable.
The above will, his image design such a "flaw subordinate" this could degenerate into an illusion.
And it seems the real problem of this great camera to be.
Or maybe even a trick of Panasonic.
Perhaps for economic reasons.
In any case, is a reason to shoot any films.
Or is there a solution?
bgj
Antwort von handiro:
I'm not a jerk enoch had. I can imagine that many have problems with the transcoding AVCHD directly or drag into their NLE, which can overload the cpu and jerk, and leads to other problems.
I transcode to ProRes on the MBP, and can be easily run 4 video streams and 8 audio streams.
Antwort von vidoc:
The user elCutty meeting point of the video shows a small windows program tool, through which any missing frames in the clips, synonymous those who did not exercise it because the images are still able to identify. All owners of GH1 are hereby invited to try out some clips at once, whether we issue here with a systematic error of the PAL camera have to do or simply eon few people have the pitch to have bought a lemon.
Antwort von partylogger:
The user elCutty meeting point of the video shows a small tool programmed by the possible lack of frames in the clips, synonymous those who did not exercise it because the images are still able to identify. All owners of GH1 are hereby invited to try out some clips at once, whether we issue here with a systematic error of the PAL camera have to do or simply eon few people have the pitch to have bought a lemon. I found a clip that I had invited to test purposes in the network, prompt such errors, which I can play the exercise at all. I use Mac, with the program, I may nix check.
Antwort von vidoc:
Then test for equal opportunity but times WINE or Crossover. The tool is so modest in his claims, which would go smoothly ...
Antwort von GM:
I have my GH1 (; NTSC model) now has two weeks, and am absolutely thrilled. Why so much excitement in the network is due to codec weaknesses here and "mud issues" and because God knows what not all I do not understand.
What has struck me, however: anyone who had the camera in his hand briefly and has quickly posted a few clips were quickly disappointed.
After setting on this camera is manual, there is very much synonymous to extremely many possibilities, what wrong. It seems synonymous to the delivery status of the camera to be somewhat different - in some models such things as I. Exposure and other Klimbim default and are not for some.
When in the "creative movie" mode, all the films and detection Kinkerlizchen like face detection, intelligent scene, motive, etc. prosecution. off and the defined square (; adjustable) used to focus, and the workflow correctly believes (; eg 24p pulldown in NTSC model), there are no problems (at least with me, maybe I'll just synonymous "happiness" .., -- ))
But the camera is actually quite requirements in the workflow - you have been studying a lot else can go wrong fast - so no "point and shoot" and certainly not fast times (to cut, especially with 24p NTSC model).
I have nothing, NOTHING emphasis on notes of all the problems until now. I have pursued in the filming Will my children (; in the 1080s mode) and the sequences frame for frame-carried peept "pixel" simply stunning and perfect.
What comes across very well, which is synonymous, the color resolution. Incredibly, red sweater against a green meadow, the color separation is sensational.
Perceived quality is synonymous super: tactile buttons for most functions s.Body, control wheels, really very good impression.
What else do I get around 1500 ¬? Hmm, I have found nothing like that, all I had in my fingers (; SonyXR500V, Panasonic HDC-SD300, ...) seams like plastic toys, no Wide Angleund has (a flat picture, but Ultra hot - so sharp that it roars again - anyone who stands on it, please).
Kitobjektiv synonymous is good - up to ISO 800 noise barely detectable - that is synonymous use at night (; Strassenlaternen rich). I actually wanted to buy immediately adapter for more intense Lenses, I have now postponed for now.
But yes, it does nothing, so everyone can decide for themselves.
lg, Gunther
Antwort von vidoc:
I have my GH1 (; NTSC model) now has two weeks, and am absolutely thrilled. Why so much excitement in the network is due to codec weaknesses here and "mud issues" and because God knows what not all I do not understand.
The discussion about the visual problems error applies only to the PAL model, the ntsc model has this problem clearly does not. That is why you are not easily affected.
EDIT
Is it true that you can switch the ntsc model synonymous to PAL?
Antwort von partylogger:
I have my GH1 (; NTSC model) now has two weeks, and am absolutely thrilled. Why so much excitement in the network is due to codec weaknesses here and "mud issues" and because God knows what not all I do not understand.
The discussion about the visual problems error applies only to the PAL model, the ntsc model has this problem clearly does not. That is why you are not easily affected.
EDIT
Is it true that you can switch the ntsc model synonymous to PAL? I do not think any case can not adjust the PAL to NTSC model.
Antwort von vidoc:
True, someone had the claims have just looked on the panasonic page views in the U.S., there is only NTSC.
Antwort von Uwe:
Rejou Teaser:
http://vimeo.com/5455889
Behind the Scenes On The Set Of Rejou:
http://vimeo.com/5455989
Antwort von thsbln:
I have my GH1 (; NTSC model) now has two weeks, and am absolutely thrilled. Why so much excitement in the network is due to codec weaknesses here and "mud issues" and because God knows what not all I do not understand.
But the camera is actually quite requirements in the workflow - you have been studying a lot else can go wrong fast - so no "point and shoot" and certainly not fast times (to cut, especially with 24p NTSC model).
lg, Gunther Hi Gunther, and anyone who's got one already,
How is that handling, if you'd like to shoot from my hand? If the camera does not quite tiny?
Thank you! :-)
Antwort von partylogger:
I have my GH1 now used very intensively on vacation. Approx. 500 clips of different length were recorded on several of Panasonic SDHC cards, Transcend and A-Data (and all the 16GB). All in 720p50.
Unfortunately, the runs Prob with the dropped frames by some of the clips, regardless of the used memory card. The stuttering is synonymous seen already in the GH1, so no problem with import and convert the AVCHD files. That dampens my satisfaction with the video function significantly.
Luckily I was still synonymous with my Panasonic made TM300 shots, by the way, with the memory card in the highest level of quality has no problems.
I have included contact with Panasonic, which gave me the first time a blah standard response is sent without understanding my problem, but ask the second time now to submission of the camera for review.
After what I read in the forums so I can imagine now what happens. The camera comes back and says: We can find no error.
I have now as a last chance or a Class10-bought map of Panasonic and will film extensively this weekend.
The photo function works perfectly and makes the camera excellent pictures and is very good. For me so far the most intuitive operating concept, what I saw.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
The stuttering is synonymous seen already in the GH1, so no problem with import and convert the AVCHD files. That dampens my satisfaction with the video function significantly. I've seen in test shots. Some folks have then replies that we must take the camera into their own hands and not complain. Then I put the camera in hand and an SDHC card 4GB Class 6 with full video is recorded. Again, I got the times and what you have described.
It take a lot of recommended "in hand" has not helped also.
Antwort von vidoc:
PANASONIC told me about the problem with the image jerk response following written nice:
"The full-HD video (; 1,920 x 1,080 pixels) are output recorded by the image sensor with 25p and 50i with. HD (;) are 1,280 x 720 pixels with 50p output from the image sensor and recorded. Den of you described Effect of aberrations, we can not comprehend. We therefore recommend that a test of the camera, if available in stores. Furthermore, recordings should ideally be using a tripod to minimize the risk of camera shake during movie. "
So, people, tripod buy ... ;)
Antwort von pailes:
So, people, tripod buy ... ;) Panasonic's funny. For me, the dropouts were mentioned until now exclusively in a tripod. When shooting from the free hand, I had a single problem.
Antwort von vidoc:
That is why I have this nonsense here so synonymous posted times. Officially, this appears to ignore the phenomenon occurs more frequently.
But they thought synonymous yes, the GH1 was purchased in Germany without any problem, what a photo dealer here in Dresden uniquely placed:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260455741769&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Do not buy gold, but GH1 ... ;)
Antwort von carstenkurz:
Of course, it is possible that the camera internal in fact only a frame rate (can, probably 30/60) and the European model makes some cheap trick to generate about 25/50. However, this effect would then theoretically, and more or less regularly auftreteten and be relatively easy to identify. And of course you must make sure that other factors are not synonymous reinpfuschen still too slow / plain unsuitable cards, any automatic modes, image stabilization, etc.
Also, some codecs (; AVCHD!) With interframe coding can schonmal ruckelartige Effects s.den GOP produce boundaries, but there is more than content to day-care picture frame rates, synonymous when it may seem at first glance like a classic image judder.
What surprises me in the discussion here is that the GH1 according to data sheet, the HD resolution makes only with AVCHD at 50i, 720p, however, either with AVCHD / QT MJPEG with 30p and 50i. Here one must give itself erstmal certainty what frame rates and codecs actually used in the tests with what is working and rate the display system, otherwise not be necessary to talk about stuttering.
Who turns a lovely time slow horizontal pan with not too much picture detail / sharpness of content or material with slow steady movements with both 720p and loads the clip codecs times completely changed somewhere high?
- Carsten
Antwort von vidoc:
@ Carstenkurz
This debate, I wanted to start here in no case again. This is discussed in several forums all sufficiently clips with background color, with various cards tested, tested with an analysis program (; elCutty undundund meeting point in the video) ...
It is with great safety s.der camera and probably affects only the PAL version. Where exactly is the error remains provisionally Panasonic's secret, because the missing frames occur only sporadically, usually when movements in the visual ... (; synonymous without large pan)
Antwort von carstenkurz:
If it's dropouts are irregular, then either the map (too slow, or the firmware on this card incompetent), or is it a codec bug (; or a combination of both -) for high data rate. If yes synonymous can be identified fairly reliably with a few test shots.
Then you have probably Panasonic to enhance.
- Carsten
Antwort von Uhmann:
The intersection problems with (this converter, be free of dissolved Panaconic / Main Concept). https: / / eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp / pro-av / support / desk / e / download.htm
Convert the AVCHD into P2 format or DV AVI. I just test whether the well fluppt;)
