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Frage von JonasB:


Hi s.alle sound engineer;)
soon have to turn again a short film. 've Got a directional micro NTG2 with boom, so I wanted to take up the external sound and synconisieren later. A microsite that enough? Have in the past gemekert that it is so difficult to make Amto recordings.
What's more, of the whole matter that I have little idea TON.
I hold dialogues in the Micro s.besten about the actors? At what distance? During the last rotation we had the problem that the images all have a different "wealth" had ...
How is it with the wind? I have a matching Windfell for Micro, is a Windkorb better?
I would be glad if you could give me as many tips and tell me what is not absulut, so you can avoid gross errors.

MFG

Jonas



Antwort von Axel:

Contact the Direct Micro-only dialogues, if possible, without atmosphere, manual Driven. Language: test, test, test, the loudest place on - 9dB (or, if no numerical display: The dash to the right of the Knubbel, the clipping of-12dB indicates duration always have to sound younger) levels, then the level can be at peace , is then softly softly, loud is loud, called Dynamics. The micro-tube aimed at the sound source, familiar from shooting ;-)))
Wind (; etched out). Therefore Windfell, basket, plus coat is even better.

Also, a second Micro can be useful. Radio mics can also be useful. But it should be synonymous with one walk. The angler must stop join in a bit.

Next Tip: Wear closed headphones. Logical to control, but also extremely effective in psychologically completely isolate any of environmental irritants.

For the rest of the sound, see this


Antwort von JonasB:

"Axel" wrote: Language: test, test, test, the loudest place on - 9dB (or, if no numerical display: The dash to the right of the Knubbel, the clipping of-12dB indicates duration always have to sound younger) levels, then the level can be at peace , is then softly softly, loud is loud, called Dynamics.

Could you explain more precisely the part again: P Seems to be just the answer to my question, but I do not quite understand ... My display is of -60 dB to 0 and the Strokes hit toward 0 Ne numeric display I have therefore halb so .. then I still have a "Rec Level" manual that I can serve, because I can be of 00db to-29db (thereafter "set mute"). Hope this helps you help me more precise. Thank schonmal, synonymous for the link.

MFG

Jonas



Antwort von Axel:

The Movie-College (For the display on your device;?) I can not say anything, a level that stops at 0, I've never seen before. To understand it's just important to see this relationship: A good signal is strong, so you should always levels as high as possible. This can be done, paradoxically, by one s.lautesten expected noise oriented. For this one sets the limit, you take it on so that it just simply does not have controls. Thereafter, each nervous fumbling s.Pegler usually is counterproductive. If one wants to see a rash in the silence, you increase just any atmospheric noise and could just as easily s.lassen the automatic.

So for the cheat sheet: Digital Recording Language? Then talk to and stabilize the level up to-9dB, but not over it. Does pop music or (are you sitting in a train;) gleichmäiger noise? Then make sure that the bar does not titscht than-12dB.



Antwort von Kino:

Hello Jonas,

I do not want to offend you if you the following information may be somewhat too "basic" appears.
"JonasB" wrote: S.besten ... I hold dialogues in the microcode on the actors? At what distance? ...
The camera setting specifies the location of the microphone that is placed as close as possible s.The sound source. Den, with my setup best sound I get when the intended Tonassi about 20cm in front of the source "" (to taste;!).

There are situations where it is advantageous to fish from the Sound of down. I had made this beginner's mistake, when I began a dialogue of the top while the "actors" were standing on gravel / received. My MKH 416 documented each step as a crunching noise.

Even when fishing takes dialoglosen the sound, synonymous only if the result of time only moves into the audio archives (; steps, vehicles, atmosphere, like birds, water, etc.) - Axel has indeed been described in detail.

Good luck
Christoph
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Antwort von derpianoman:

"Axel" wrote: ... Language: test, test, test, the loudest point on - 9dB (or, if no numerical display: The dash to the right of the Knubbel that indicates the clipping of-12dB ...

That seems to me something merkwüdig ...

1. Should one synonymous word "digital" still as high as possible, disqualify, target, theoretically (;!!) the 0 dB to the maximum resolution is synonymous to have ... Please complete theorist by numbers.

2. (; here and says Oops!) is 0 dB, however, synonymous only ONE time skips are there (which, unlike the analogue tape) not a nice, warm compression but an ugly KRACKE and the recording is in the Po ...

Therefore: 3 Pay attention to headroom. That is, how constant is the volume?
Is it a normal conversation, or suddenly roared a matter?

This 4th follows: Up again present the loudest point to - and then leave to care a little "headroom". Let's get the "Brüller" So, for example - 5 dB, then he can in an emergency synonymous drauflegen still around and you're in safe areas ...

I hope that is understood to ...

Take for instance the peak only to -12 dB and let the rest have converged at - 20dB you may subsequently raise the volume level during a ground noise. Why bother ...

VG Klaus



Antwort von JonasB:

Hi Axel,
"Axel" wrote:
(For the display on your device;?) I can not say anything, a level that stops at 0, I've never seen before.
My recording device is the PMD 620, and even have found a Picture of the display;)



Stop at zero, or because I understand what is wrong?
Thank you for your explanation, I understood the principle, I think, now I need to learn to implement only with the PMD;)
Les me tomorrow, once the manual book.
I lack many basics in case: S
Have already made wonderful recordings, but I have to make the device, and while not really "working";)

I hope I still packs.

Thanks synonymous s.The others. Logical thing, just as is so often learned only through mistakes and I want to avoid, yes.

MFG

Jonas

PS: I will not make the sound itself but ranlassen a (; jaaa) still inexperienced friend: P That is why when you have someone valuable tips ... so bring it on, so basic they may be synonymous;)



Antwort von Kino:

"JonasB" wrote: ... Listening to zero, or because I understand what is wrong? ...

... Thanks synonymous s.The others. Logical thing, just as is so often learned only through mistakes and I want to avoid, yes. ...

a) I have the 660 with the same scale, which is not synonymous stops at 0. To the right is "OV" = over (; Tilt). Orient yourself with manual audio control of the loudest place s.einem level lies in the range between -12 and -6 dB - away afterwards: "finger". With the reading of the manual is a valuable step.

b) You will still have an opportunity to learn from mistakes. Probably one of the first will be the realization that the sound and its quality is often neglected. Next, you will perhaps your personnel decision into question.

Nevertheless, a lot of fun
Christoph
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Antwort von JonasB:

Thus manual was still "currently studying" yet;) How thick is it not so hard and so is not synonymous: P
The levels with the practice or I'll have much more can be;)
So levels between -12 and -6 keep! Is logical;) Since I can not simply, as I have just learned my LEDs are lvl to -12 and stabilize the easier for me;).

I find the display very small ...

Good, another similar topic. I'm at my NTG2 a sort of switch that is hard to be careful only with a sharp object can. What's the good? You know what I mean? The thing up there ^ ^



Sigh I'll come to me really stupid before ...

Thank next and hope to get more informative tips.

MFG

Jonas






Antwort von Kino:

Quote:

German manual NTG-2, Page 6:
Setting the high pass filter

"The NTG-2 has s.Mikrofonkorpus over a 2-way switch. Use a small screwdriver or a pencil tip to move the switch to the desired position.

Just leave him (the lower position, -), the filter is not active. Bring him into the upper position to lower frequencies of 80 Hz with 12 dB / octave (lower Fig. 6).

Keep in mind that although a high pass filter reduces unwanted low-frequency signals, but may sound synonymous, the useful signal affected. It's best to listen to the signal in question first without and then with an high-pass filter before you decide on its use. "

My advice: Stay Lass'es. With low-frequency signal components are usually meant wind noise that you have already prevented by basket and "dead cat" reduced /.



Antwort von derpianoman:

"Movies" wrote: ... Orient yourself with manual audio control of the loudest place s.einem level lies in the range between -12 and -6 dB ...

Sound for Video People seem to be something foreign.

So when the loudest (;!) Body temperature of minus 12 dB is pegelt
the Haupsache probably at - 20 dB one that is clearly too little.

6 dB mean a Lautstärkeverdoppellung!

Your "Toneimer" is so filled at -12 only one quarter,
covered at - 20 are just the ground. Not very well.

Also: Your media is not optimally utilized ...



Antwort von Kino:

@ Klaus:

So completely foreign to me is not the issue, and your vivid description of the facts do me good. The present case involves parameters that differ slightly of studio conditions. Sounds like one oversteer recording, you have not written already.


"JonasB" wrote: ... Since I can not simply, as I have just learned my LEDs are lvl to -12 and stabilize the easier for me;) ...
I know the 620, but not rule out that with this attitude does not lower the input sensitivity of the micro input is meant (, unless) You rotate the avatar in a club or on the deck of an aircraft carrier.



Antwort von Axel:

@ piano man
As you've surely right, synonymous with the fact that people are not Tonspezialisten video. Do they not synonymous. (With an analogue recorder, as my Uher Report Monitor, a young level 19 cm / s) tape recorder you to just below 0 dB, even fits. In the vicinity of which one wants to come with a digital recording synonymous, and the closer you get, the better, one must know about it at all. So can someone who only cares for the sound, zurückpegeln dosed with less safety margin to 0 levels and if necessary, and with tact. Schonmal good if he does not have to do with tiny knobs s.einer current camera. Where has the Marantz pictured "Pro" actually its Pegler? Surely not "^" on the JogShuttle? Perhaps the accuracy is sufficient to levels of-6dB, when it quite monotonous voices are perhaps even slightly upward. Some can even synonymous whole Harry Potter novels as a type SMS with the thumb of the hand, hold it with the Nokia (; in the other hand you can make a cup) to introduce coffee.



Antwort von JonasB:

"Movies" wrote:
I know the 620, but not rule out that with this attitude does not lower the input sensitivity of the micro input is meant (, unless) You rotate the avatar in a club or on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

Thanks for the note, but after studying the manual for which I am aware this is good. So you can easily adjust volume level at which a green light to leutchen. So I will, during a long vorspricht hochpegeln until the green light is lit;)

@ Axel

The Peglertasten are right s.dem device. Super keys, and when the little things well placed synonymous. Bin up fully on the small screen content. Have now synonymous wodrum understood it at the levels go, clipping) as possible without too much volume.
Now do not tell me that it is so wrong: D

AND indeed sound of the video people what strange: P But even a little bit less;)

Thanks

MFG

Jonas



Antwort von nicecam:

another one of class Thread, where one learns much synonymous certainly been times when the experts to other reviews (come, when this is ever otherwise?).

"Axel" wrote: (For the display on your device;?) I can not say anything, a level that stops at 0, I've never seen before.
So, now I'm exactly hingeguckt: Both s.meiner XH-A1 as synonymous s.der HV-20 is the bar graph of -40 dB to 0.

@ Axel
As you indicated above of Movie-College-Link
Gruß Johannes



Antwort von derpianoman:

That one eingroven is synonymous with sound "must be clear! :-)
One must learn to estimate how dynamic is a signal!
In the studio, there are such large differences in singers,
But of course, synonymous with the what is - as sung ...


I am still a beautiful picture occurred:
When a meadow with wind over the grass and removing bee -
Totals films you have to rip dan gain quite a bit.
However, if these games away from the fence of a runway and suddenly
then in 50-meter height of the Aibus a hinwegbretter,
You can start only when the bees - 35 dB.

Or better: in 2 Takes! ;-)

I just wanted to avoid that here advocated is all quiet
to run between -30 and - 20 dB (; there is indeed nothing wrong)

Liebe Grüße!
Klaus

PS 0 dB or "CLIP" is actually different in the ads.
One should perhaps be kept up - 1 or - 2 dB when
for example, has previously found, and something dubbed the loudest place.

My 8-track digital recorder shows eg at 0 dB and the LED is red.

But knowing: to what one wants in any case, one should
Perhaps times at home as a test - very carefully - his digital device
override. Caution with the listening volume
is not good for the speakers ....



Antwort von Axel:

@ John. This is similar with the yellow field and the purple trees. Is there a test, where volunteers get a S & W - Film shown, with the above umpteenth colors in each frame. Answer to the question of what colors they've realized that they brown and green. " I had simply always the analog level in the head.

@ Klaus. And s.deine meadow with the Bees while I had to think ;-)))



Antwort von nicecam:

"JonasB" wrote: I lack many basics in case: S ...
Yes, it's me, is still often synonymous, both in the video - as synonymous tonal range, but added all the time to learn, and this is fun!

Recently, I had to film an ABI-ball:

The test included both of my cameras. In my church was on a separate ME66 directional Micro Tripod - connecting directly s.XH-A1 via XLR.
My HV-20 was filming with passive aufgesetzem Rode Stereo VideoMic. From both a good picture, good sound.

In addition, standing on my tripod reporters Micro Sennheiser MD421 front with the pastor. This should record on minidisc recorder, but failed after the 3 minutes.

When I had my own Abiball of the sound engineers to a line output can be used directly to my notebook (; recording software "Audacity"), and the brave and faithful was synonymous with 6 1 / 2 hours.
Unfortunately, I had turned on the recording mixer is full, because I based on a statement - not here in the forum - the view was that I was anyway An excellent signal of the plant would get her. I had a couple of times synonymous reingesprochen in the mics with good results. But when subsequently departed the post ...
There is under smooth control over driving.

Well, here synonymous, I have good signals of both my camera microphone.

Gruß Johannes






Antwort von thos-berlin:

Since you have fucked the man s.Tonmischer but strong run in the evening and the necessary sound louder realized simply through the headroom of the (; probably analog), mixer, or even when setting levels strongly geschlampt (; or both).



Antwort von nicecam:

@ Thos-berlin
Does that put - layman that the statement: ... line signal from the mixer will not be Driven with good output signal in the audio software that is correct?

In my case, I would certainly want to control time. But I as a lone enough so had to do.



Antwort von thos-berlin:

Let me put it another way: The two levels should be cross-checked.

Pegelton on mixer. Audio Control 0 db. The singnal in the PC and see what the level is. S.PC adjust the slider so that synonymous here 0db (; something better Weinger wg. Lack of headroom below are shown).

The problem is that when Analogmischer may exceed 0 db without serious problems. When digital recording is at 0 db schluß. What it is, is hacked away. They are then clearly audible distortion.

Therefore disqualify the digital device slightly lower. Some say-9db, others say rich -5 dB. Regardless, it should preferably remain on the gasamte time below 0 db. (; Not too low, because then dynamics is lost).

Of course, should be the "hall volume" synonymous not be resolved through the sum of the console, but volume controls s.den power amplifiers.



Antwort von nicecam:

Hello thos-berlin,

Thanks!

Have just this Page saved as a favorite!

Gruß Johannes



Antwort von jazzy_d:

Side note:
Why is sound so important in the video: Video / eye triggers with about 50 pictures per second (; 50Hz). Audio / hearing does this with some 48KHz (; 48,000 Hz). So can hearing very (much of his resolve, about 1000 times finer) than the eye, therefore the sound is so very important. Since every even bother so little trifle. Unfortunately, it is in fact as that, especially in amateur and amateur field which is being paid too little attention (and I always in my experience) in the club.



Antwort von Axel:

"jazzy_d" wrote: Side note:
Why is sound so important in the video: Video / eye triggers with about 50 pictures per second (; 50Hz). Audio / hearing does this with some 48KHz (; 48,000 Hz). So can hearing very (much of his resolve, about 1000 times finer) than the eye, therefore the sound is so very important.

If (your eye, respectively. Dissolve your center of vision) 50 frames per second, you could see a movie, not in the movies, but not synonymous to YouTube. 12 images are the absolute limit, everything about it is inevitably interpreted as a movement, s.16 B / s or less liquid.

What is best: you think what you see. Because you will believe it. With a sound this is suggestive of a black picture of the throat to the center of the earth. Many amateur film making to exploit that fact and start their film with an overly long intro Mood. Each identifiable object of her first recording of her concoction then acts like a cold shower.

On the importance of tone, there are investigations. In the semi-darkness of a movie theater audience not only accepts it, get near-Storytellers commanded to. Furthermore, they can describe the plot as if they had a fully illustrated film seen. What is the importance of the tone even more stressed. The real images are in the head, and they are not in the head, then they are nowhere.



Antwort von jazzy_d:

So when we speak of 12 frames per second for the eye / brain, then we would need synonymous of talking about 20kHz to hearing what it can do effectively. That is actually about 2000 times finer resolution of the hearing. I wanted to synonymous (showing only the extreme ratio, for which reason and now the sound is so important is not to say) and I see 50 individual frames per second. The 50Hz (; Picture) and 48kHz (; sound) refer (yes synonymous to Aufzeichnnung in a normal environment, as DVD-Audio playback medium can eg synonymous to 96 or 192kHz).



Antwort von derpianoman:

"thos-berlin" wrote: Since you have fucked the man s.Tonmischer but strong run in the evening and the necessary sound louder realized simply through the headroom of the (; probably analog), mixer, or even when setting levels strongly geschlampt (; or both).

Well, the man s.Mischer takes care of the live sound!

For that reason I had with one of my most important Gigs
the opening act of a famous pianist NOT the mixer
placed my tape recorder, but on the stage itself
included (; had engaged synonymous 2 Video People, -)

Because I knew that would otherwise be entirely forgotten it,
carry out the tape, or that determines override some channels
would have been. Murphy's Law ...

Who's interested: http://www.klausporath.de/50836195a5013850a/videos/5083619607005f40b.php



Antwort von nicecam:

... the testimony of derpianoman listening: "Wat is not everything it learns ... '

Gruß Johannes