Frage von Chrischan_0207:
Moin moin,
'm currently in the process of moving to HDV and powers me the HV 20 up, it provides for my budget (Student..) and my purposes (mainly holiday movies ....) I think the best price performance ratio. The fact that I use for recording something useful accessories need is obvious to me, I've added the Raynox HD6600 Pro in the eye as wide Angleund the video Heliopan 103 filter. When Tripod I'm insecure, I have been the Velbon DV 7000 accurately viewed under DSEN three legs and under the Manfrotto 560B monopod. I think for my purposes (holiday films, frequent relocation, synonymous times in between filming, touring, etc.) is wahrscheinlihc the monopod s.sinnvollsten. Often I will be synonymous to a sailboat on film, and I am now unsure ... what can you to me for such a Sitaution recommend? Tripod likely? On a normal one or three will involve you in the gautscherei probably seasick very quickly, right?
Maybe somebody has experience ... so that would be grateful for tips!
Thank you, Regards, Chris!
Antwort von Pianist:
Often I will be synonymous to a sailboat on film, and I am now unsure ... what can you to me for such a Sitaution recommend? On a sailboat, you probably do not filming with a tripod you can. Since one good run anywhere but has possibilities, I would take Steadybag. There is enough for your small camera so the little synonymous variant.
Matthias
Antwort von Bastian90:
Hi Matthias, I would like a tripod to buy funds without aspiration.
Kanst Then you spread it far apart from deep positions in order to film. Pulled together and you have worked a "fast" Monopod. There are so-called synonymous. Clamping tripods you can use anywhere connecting fitting, like a screw.
Obendrauf a bullet-head, it gets better and more easily synonymous.
MfG
Fritz
Antwort von RKD:
this is probably the most inexpensive solution ....
Auzug from Google ...
'The Steadybag is a sack filled with rice or sand on which a camera is placed ... Due to the plasticity of the document is an extremely Steadybag ...."
na ja, I would prefer ABC levitation system, at least for the trip.
mfg
Reinhold
Antwort von robbie:
Now yes, a floating system for a sailing trip is probably inappropriate. firstly because of the space-times that it needs, and secondly, (small excursion into the physik) we now have a different reference system than s.land. namely the moving sailboat. thus, the floating system, however, any motion relating to the actual system to offset (the "stationary" earth), you will be an zieeemliches have trouble on the boat, the floating system auszutarieren. ok, cruise ship or it would go, but a sailboat? never! have you ever tried with a full glass of water in a bus during the trip of front to back to go?
kollege also said the student that he is, and not as a big budget has: P
Antwort von Bastian90:
Add the rice sack, I have synonymous, but only if I have a tripod may not use, for example in Greece ÓÄ. where do you want the bag on a sailing ship
place? Tripod, with the 'Gewackle "?
And: Inexpensive solution? Clamp tripod, as I have, about 140 ¬
Lightweight Tripod synonymous around 60 - 100 ¬
MfG
Fritz
Antwort von Pianist:
where do you want the sack placed on a sailboat? Overall.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
Hi Matthias, I would like a tripod to buy funds without aspiration. But I will not. Chris wants.
Matthias
Antwort von RKD:
Hi Robbie, I like to invite you on a sailing ship, then I'll show you how with one swing ABC system can make shots.
What you up to write is simply null and false idea. In a floating system, the horizon is always synonymous if the vessel (Here sailor with a long oblique to 40 degrees) in the water.
The student has no coal, and is was not the issue, but he wants to exchange rings and tips, so here it goes.
mfg
Reinhold
Antwort von robbie:
yes, precisely, the horizon is straight. and this is something I like to thank all possible situations quite unusable before.
especially when the real horizon is not in the building is to be seen. some settings, I can obviously synonymous imagine the beautiful. But close-ups, ... which are then very fluctuating ...
edit: I have the last post already forgotten ... the bag is perfectly suited for something! small, lightweight, and can you really lay down anywhere.
Antwort von RKD:
Once again the notes:
When you swing system I always have the picture horizontally and straight, no preference whether the boat is virtually the waves goes up or down, no preference what angle the boat is that it played no role synonymous if additional, waves swallowed ", because if the levitation system is properly aligned, the horizon always remains horizontal. And this is but the endscheidende! The man or woman in front of me but I can absorb, the fixation does not change.
When I record with Tripod, it's wrong, just as with the free hand.
mfg
Reinhold
Antwort von Chrischan_0207:
Hello and many many thanks for the answers first! The point that the horizon is straight with a tripod, I took synonymous as the main advantage previously thought, thanks for the confirmation! Shots with the horizon are specific to the trip in any case in the foreground, so I think of synonymous so no stupid thing, however, as already noted was synonymous full swing tripods are probably falling out of my budget ... much cheaper than the of Steadicam Merlin (around 800 ¬) or the ABA Clipman (ca ¬ 500) in the video asset synonymous both get a good test, I probably have not come, and unfortunately this is currently just not there ... but we must also save and create next;)
Or someone even gave me a secret tip? :)
With the bag I will try any case, is synonymous very cheap, can go wrong so I do not ever much:)
The idea with the clamp tripod, I believe that when sailing to more inappropriate because only attachment points s.Boot himself available. And if something in the wind in the waves stomps is yes if the camera is stuck in the s.Boot Camera s.sich quiet, but the horizon is Achterbahn ... for close-ups when no horizon is visible, I think will contain a good solution, but these recordings are rare, as already mentioned above, next ...
Should I somehow geiirt have, I ask for correction, otherwise happy next tips, thank you!
Regards, Chris
Antwort von Chrischan_0207:
Another question or comment, I'm just on the net gesurft on the lookout for further information regarding levitation tripods, am still rise on the following report:
http://daserste.ndr.de/ardratgebertechnik/archiv/tv_video_foto/t_cid-4265226_.html
This is, among other things: "Small and large floating tripod is a characteristic in common: extreme wind vulnerability."
Can someone say something about? I have never had such a tripod, now that I have read, I could but synonymous well imagine that the balancing of its ordinary breeze influence ... (?)
Regards, Chris
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... With the idea of clamping tripod, I believe that when sailing to more inappropriate because only attachment points s.Boot himself available. And if something in the wind in the waves is stomps ... While the Camera s.sich quiet, but the horizon is Achterbahn ... Honestly, I find exactly this effect (Camera moves with the boat / ship) s.beeindruckendsten, especially in the high wind speed. I wish you did not, with a suspected small sailboat in such a weather to come, but a friend of me has this way of the bridge of a fishing trawler from the pitching and rolling of the ship when the wind force 10 filmed. Are very impressive shots become, precisely because the horizon, everything else remained as horizontally.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Bastian90:
Synonymous would think that such recordings are s.beeindruckendsten, especially if crossed will vigorously. Seegelschiffe but generally do not have the problems of motorboats, are much calmer in the water and cut the waves more gently.
Steadycam I can not even imagine, because the inevitable after commuting the matter only worse. Then even more of a conscious Correct Monopod with the slant.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ Chrischan_0207
Kuck the times you like to http://forum.slashcam.de/erfahrungen-with-dem-modo-steady-585-vt55503.html?highlight=modo
but a steady bag (or synonymous Bean Bag) is quite ok. synonymous of the shooting hand is absolutely accepted. Monopod I think the video is absolutely useless times. (Ok I use sometimes as an extra leg when I s.die Cam telephoto lens mount, but forget the times.
A classic vest with Steadycam is absolutely irrelevant ..... times the weight first, and secondly, thirdly, the handling of safety concerns.
So with my Steadycam like I would not want to fall into the water.
Also I think the steady function would only be worthwhile if you like a similar boat compass would have been fixed. Films from the hand of the guys make synonymous with fishing or shooting "the most dangerous jobs of Alaska" (crab fishermen documentary series on Discovery Channel)
@ RKD
Hey, who wants no XXX drehn in the South Seas and the synonymous wants no professional Equitment ..... and especially on his boat ne Steadycam absolutely useless without it .... is a structure of a film set where you are just "s.and-to-use unless otherwise stop it" ... and I think especially of robbie with his thesis, already synonymous legally allowed ..... if he has no idea is very well covered or -)
The sole has no clue is someone who someone a Steadycam recommends a couple of times "holiday videos" to turn. Or is it the first half of the holiday with learning how to circumvent such a thing?
CONCLUSION Chrischan_0207 look at the Modo s.and thing you friends with such a solution s.Sie price is ok and should be sufficient. And a clamping device or ne-old Mount Compass synonymous perhaps should be envisaged. Saving your money and prefer to buy nor ne water resistant cover for your camera or other filter. What I do makes sense.
Alla what Wünsch
PS I have experience with cameras, s.and in the water at Surf matters as well as synonymous snowboarding and MX SM MTB NEN bissel wiggle and do the whole kick nix from one of them and is absolutely ok.
So some of which may be "no idea" Save ;-)
Antwort von Bastian90:
That's right.
Ultra Wide and intent to purchase from the hand drauf los filming. Action may be synonymous calm the restlessness of the camera come, nothing hurts.
Antwort von robbie:
well, if I have unknowing I do not know, like the other judge. In any case, I can from a few years of production experience to speak, and to vessels of different size, I was already synonymous ...
the principle of Steadycam I understand, the times should be strictly hold. the horizon is straight. and exactly what I see as a view from a design problem.
and the biggest problem you have when the horizon is not visible. then fluctuates everything out and her. then even the viewers seasick: P
Antwort von WeiZen:
How was that still, floating system and strong wind, fire and water =? And what drives a sailboat? Just with the wind, with lots of wind all the better. I myself always such a beautiful place where I sit firmly and safely and keep it. The only zoom is a problem:), but that is usually synonymous with Steadycam not.
Antwort von DWUA:
As would be our best all the specialized Andreas K. (Camera) Man!
But: Where is he?
Abgetriftet before Topp and tackle?
The Rocket Kahn made for divers?
He still pull the neighborhood?
Nope, just the törnt elsewhere.
Abwettern can do.
The reports are still safe.
Meanwhile, a good advice:
In high seas a
water-resistant camera (or more)
down. A s.Bug, a possible top.
With the third you can film people in the Kotzen.
Antwort von AndyZZ:
I am forever times on a 51-foot sailing yacht with video filmed. Levitation system, you can safely forget. Too windy. And the system should only be s.Pendeln.
My recommendation: the camera is directed in accordance with the horizon, that is always trying to keep straight. Then rolls and moves the vessel to remain under. It is striking a straight horizon and a sailor in Schrägläge to film, the already water s.der railing, as a straight boot and a crooked horizon. The crooked horizon would probably only cause vomiting ...
Antwort von fantomaz:
404ERR
Antwort von B.DeKid:
You welcome mate ;-)
Did synonymous seen, the reports speak for Modo to use a shoulder restraint indicates. Modo was never in the fingers but it is getting quite interesting ;-)
Hab gestern synonymous again with ebay gekuckt after the brackets bootskompas gibts da quite favorable ....
Alla wünsch and what a lot of success and fun during the holidays ;-)
Ahoi ;-)
Antwort von Chrischan_0207:
Jap, I've seen! So for the functions which the thing is and for the price I think you can not do much wrong ... I guess I will give it a try!
After mounting the compass schau ich mal, I actually a good idea indeed!
Must be me at the moment, unfortunately, still with the last tests rumschlagen, but s.Mittwoch it's all over, then purchased and then tested and implemented eeendlich .... In the summer, then an internship in Kiel, where the opportunity I will certainly synonymous often come to sail and thus a lot of time to test everything, maybe I will then place times s.dieser report back to me like it was made: )
Thanks again, best wishes, Chris! ;)
Antwort von kay_muc:
We have last year's film about a small group in our sails HDCAM made. For the good weather and calm, we have a Steadycam used, but when "off" was, then everything from the hand. Wide Angleund ... persevere:) Everything else can fold. The Camera up is cheese, since the boat very much grieved at what you must compensate and when you first found your position, then the setting is already lost ... Horizon in the upper third of the image is dramatic:) And just beautiful, so that the angle is over.
And do not believe how rusty can Konsumerkameras:) Be careful with spray.
Antwort von Chrischan_0207:
Ah ok, thanks for the additional tips!
As for spray .... the HV 20, but in the tests anyway as stamped plastic sling, which should have been rusting? ;-)
No. Seriously, I think I will be on my short or long a protection up, I think this is essential when the camcorder for more than one season would like to use:)
Antwort von Natevi:
The protection you need before,
the aggressiveness of the saline water is not to be underestimated, otherwise you ni
Not much fun, because in NullKommanix corrode the circuit board.
Antwort von fantomaz:
When the wind's really only one thing: a hand s.Schiff, the other s.der Camera and God protect you from splashes. Nix with Tripod, in whatever form is always synonymous.
Ev. you sit safely in the back just before the wheels and can control your elbows still somewhere shore, everything else is illusion.
Long takes are compulsory, you can maybe 6 seconds of different takes, but that is synonymous .......
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
But: Where is he?
Verbibbsch egg, do isser joah :-) A weekend in Dresden leaves traces ...
So: I still synonymous search for a way to secure the camera stable and secure, but all for screwing nix uses, as indeed the heeling of the boat and permanently altered so that the horizon tilts forever. It really helps just "out of hand", and a Steadicam system can remember times when it is blowing a little: and then there's just the best shots.
Absolutely essential:
- Waterproof jacket, synonymous when it seems as if no (!!!) splashing over. In the summer I always wear a 90% sunglasses, is the latest, after a half-hour shows with gray salt, even if it does not particularly doll blows and no breakers on the deck sweep. Spill always comes over, if man is not synonymous remembers, and is deadly poison for any unprotected electronics.
- UV or polarizing filters on it constantly, which exposed the saltwater Optics suspend is not supportive of life also is the UV radiation on the water twice as bad as s.Land (sunburn just under the nose of the reflections ...).
- Filter cleaned every 15 minutes.
- ND filter for the same reason may also go if the rich are no longer built. Metering s.sichersten in gray. In summer on the water spins the measurement times.
- Camera never near the compass bring. Already a two-meter distance schepperndes cellphone can greatly distract the compass. A keychain in half a meter may be synonymous ... Danger of life in difficult waters in which there are still classic maneuvers to be taken (eg after entering Kompaßkurs).
- After the trip: the running times with wetted finger on the camera and try mal ... pure salt. That is synonymous in the Camera. Salt alone is not bad if it would be dry. But it attracts moisture to (so you get clothes washed in salt water does not dry) and which leads to corrosion. Preventive can just pack up everything, behind only helps the wet cloth and the unfounded hope that it would have nothing happen.
BG, Andreas
Antwort von WeiZen:
Moin,
after that of Andreas Schreckensscenario my recommendation: Sony cameras. All my life and still have plenty of trips on the hump. The only thing I would hate to clean the lens s.Ende the day. During the day is simply a clean aufgeschraubt.
Antwort von kayburg:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segelt%C3%B6rn
Shame on thee wheat, can not even write properly Törn
Antwort von Chrischan_0207:
Hmmm, the constant cleaning of sunglasses was always just me so far .... a water-tight enclosure with appropriate service will not be there in my budget, but I've s.die Ewa Marine bag of thought, or perhaps a matching rain because I have so far not yet drüber informed ... because someone might know something recommendable?
The danger of splashing is, of course, already huge, clear, only the Luftfeuchtigkleit s.Meer with the salinity is probably not favorable ...
With filers, I still somewhat synonymous monoplane, you can find me there's something for the extreme situations at sea? I have only one recommendation for the video filter Heliopan 103rd ..
How does it work with the gray? Of this I have never heard what (I hope this is not too stupid question;))
Thanks for the info! Freut mich sehr! :)
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Gude
So because of the gray times You kuck the video
http://www.shirtlessapprentice.com/podcast/2007/9/24/12-white-balance.html there is the wweissabgleich quite well explained. More videos of them are quite synonymous. Ne gray is precisely because of the bright sun is used by the sea (or synonymous with snow) occurs.
To filter =? Because no matter fits Cokin filter holder off s.deiner Cam? If so could you recommend something that is cheap on ebay and met and protective filter.
the EWA Marine bag is ever ok, unfortunately the Kameera but synonymous words completely wrapped the front lens which may lead to Schliereffekten because of the plastic in Linsenberreich. Rain covers are probably better I think. Aauf If the weather situation. The neoprene is synonymous ok but can itself synonymous with the small naehen Handycam. (Shark fish Sleek Neoprene = Neoprene is very good because it does not attract water as fast as normal neoprene s)
That what I use as a standard of protection is a "Porta Brace" of K and H Products. Is synonymous with rain totally approve.
Good experiences with plastic casing, I sport with Sony's housings made s.diese I ne synonymous Mini buoy tied times if the thing falls from jet skiing (including me), it may not equal untergehn. The 300 euro at that time that I spent was worth it to me, even if my Sonynur ne Camera is 2 tonnes. But Surf Ssachen're just abund to s.Shooting in the water.
Jut think that should have brought more ideas :-)
HP Mini buoys, for example, Waller poses for heavy KöFis (bait fish) get in the fishing shop can hold 2 kilos. This 60 cm stahlvorfach NEN carbines synonymous with the fishing shop is absolutely enough.
Then the pose Wüerde Neon Orange Faerber seen better.
Synonymous Now you know why I mentioned desöfteren MacGyver ;-) But it's cheap and fulfills the purpose.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... because of the gray times You kuck the video ... there is the wweissabgleich fairly well explained ... The "SHIRTLESS" videos, I can of the style to offer her nothing, but in this case it really is the White Balance, is s.Thema's anyway, because
... Metering s.sichersten on gray ... On this issue there are other things here for more info:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graukarte
www.fotocommunity.de / info / gray
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
EWA Marine bag ... ... may lead to Schliereffekten because of the plastic in Linsenberreich ... Plastic lens in the field? So far, the ewa-marine optical pockets plan before the glass lens. Has this now changed?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Bernd .... sorry, but I thought that ;-)
Antwort von Chrischan_0207:
With the gray I will inform in more detail, thanks for the links!
The plastic housings Sony: see very well, but I voted for the Canon HV 20 decided that is not compatible with the enclosures, or?
As for rain, I have been a little umgekuckt and am on the Ewa-Marine VC-2000 rise, for example, as the following link:
http://www2.computeruniverse.net/urlmapper2.asp?mapurl=/products/90142122/d7/links-treiber/ewa-marine-vc-2000-ca-72-regencape.asp&urlmapped=true
Is just the first significantly less expensive than the underwater systems (synonymous cheaper than the bags of Ewa Marine) synonymous and has the advantage that I am the Cape front directly on the 72 mm adapter s.dem Wide Anglebzw. Filters can s.dem Attach ... what do you of the solution?
This would, however, the use of a filtering system Kokin impossible .... I know but not synonymous to whether this fits the HV 20 ....
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
With the appropriate adapter is das I would at such a small camera simply can sew Cape, old raincoat + transparent plastic film and someone with a sewing machine. More brauchts do not.
Antwort von Harley:
With the appropriate adapter is das I would at such a small camera simply can sew Cape, old raincoat + transparent plastic film and someone with a sewing machine. More brauchts do not. Please Please prefer smooth appeal ......
before you answer here .... think ... Tips if you still want to have of me!
The thread was: Tripod for sailing shots !!!!!!!
That means as much as "Image Stabilization for earthquake
... or "head light to the Grand Canyon auszuleuchten"
lol
;-))))))
Case is not purely drauf .....
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
I have a heart for idiocy ;-)
Antwort von Harley:
I have a heart for idiocy ;-) Jo .... I've even (as you know) ne 35x Bavaria in Palma .......
lol
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Eventually one of us must be drunk ... I understand only station :-)
Antwort von Harley:
Eventually one of us must be drunk ... I understand only station :-) 35x Bavaria is: Of the 14m sailing yacht Dehler shipyard in Palma de Mallorca .....
... I think .... du bist voll ... ;-))))))))
Antwort von Harley:
And to the distress we are all fully ...... whire have us all eh dear!
;-)))))
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
That may be the case, the box is empty.
Ps I got my rice bowl again. Race go?
Antwort von kayburg:
That may be the case, the box is empty.
Ps I got my rice bowl again. Race go? Come here old ..... I have nothing to lose!
GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :-))))))))
Antwort von B.DeKid:
The bag looks ok from ....... price is synonymous so far "Ok" with experience I did not.
@ Harley
It has just slightly in the direction of sailing around the accessories and video recordings s.Wasser changed ;-)
@ Smooth-appeal
my "mountain" Dolly is in the barn and is ready :-)
Berg Kettcar "my genius is ;-) I as Dolly ;-)))
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
What we actually bet? The Kettcar I do not need and the vessel has no keel after it more on the North Loop is geschliddert ...
Since I can only emerge as the winner ... :-)
Antwort von B.DeKid:
I see so synonymous ... because your Nissan Micra has a real chance against the boat and my Kettcar ;-) And Harley runs probably synonymous only ne Yamaha Virago and is thus synonymous out of the race ;-)
Conclusion
smooth-appeal is the winner of the annual all life jackets and race is the price a driver bag anchor ;-)))
Alla wünsch what ;-)))
PS Next year I start with his 13 hundreds Bandit engine built in the mountain Kettcar mal sehn then who wins ;-)))
Antwort von robocut:
You need a tripod for the shots from land ;-)
on the ship with a CameraLink s.besten good wideangle intent combined with a steady hand. I'm currently in the process of me a waterproof camera (Panasonic, but SD only) zuzulegen, because sooner or later it's wet and an underwater housing is in use but very uncomfortable and awkward.
Antwort von Tom Keller Schweiz:
nothing of relevance Simply closing your user account. Your verbal secretions are interested here not sow, unless a psychoanalyst reads here with.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
NOTE to recordings on the water.
Discovery Channel yesterday Monday 3.3.08 broadcast the following:
The most dangerous jobs of Alaska (The crab fishermen) Backstage
VERY interesting ABSOLUTE AND TO A FRIEND!
As a big fan of this series, I was more than enthusiastic in an hour was anything with the recordings to be done for the series has shown and explained.
A MUST FOR ALL THE TIMES AS RAU SEHN WANT TO SEE THE CAMERAS AND THE CAMERA MEN ARE.
Can only recommend everyone look at times where he gets her consignment worth!
Among other things were shown:
Kamaramänner over the deck to be rinsed
As you can with garbage bags and a CameraLink Gaffertape Water Festival makes
The UW Housing Day long way not to use more water-tight
The almost all cameras after 3-4 weeks only scrap are
and much more ......
But not a single time I saw a steady-cam with a walk around there / slip ;-))
Alla wish I was.
