Frage von Micha:
I would be very happy if one of you could post times 's sample image of' ner SonyVX2100. Namely, to confuse me countless meaningless test reports and the too-flattering term, Mr plate information. I simply want a visual Comparison with my current DV-cam (JVC GR-DV400E) and whether such a investment of about 2300 ¬ really worthwhile. Namely, they should serve for his own film production and leifer therefore needs to obtain a high image quality.
Antwort von rush:
as you an example image is synonymous not provide accurate meaningful, I think, sorry;)
geh doch mal in nen shop or lend you 'ne cam out for a day ... so you can see whether they come for you to ask ... yes're already nen few Euronen ...
Antwort von Micha:
> that will give you an example image synonymous no exact meaningful I think
> sorry;)
I would say, because I know what artifacts produced my cam. But have been ok for 'ner ordinary internet search found an example video:
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/video/20040519/camcorder-03.html
bessergesagt is a test between the SonyDCR-VX2100 and the JVC GR-PD1
Antwort von Markus:
Hi Micah,
The VX2100 is currently one of the best (if not the best) camera on the consumer market. I can only recommend. - What are you'd be happy for a sample image (4:3 - or 16:9 format ?)... times may indeed make one! ;-)
PS: "own film? - Do you think video films or chemical films?
Antwort von GhostDog:
Hi Micah,
The VX2100 is currently one of the best (if not the best) camera on the consumer market. I can only recommend. - What are you'd be happy for a sample image (4:3 - or 16:9 format ?)... times may indeed make one! ;-)
PS: "own film? - Do you think video films or chemical films?
Thanks for the reply Mark
So if you ask so I would very much on a bsp. two modes are.
Of course I want to create your own chemical films ...
Nope, fun side when needed 'ne good cam for reasonably serious film projects and
if's, like you said one is the best consumercams, the better.
Antwort von Markus:
Hi Micah,
in your profile any email address is being deposited ... Send me an e-mail times, then I answer that with a few pictures.
Antwort von WeiZen:
Moin,
Sylvester by night
Antwort von GhostDog:
The lowlight zeimlich features are impressive ... Thank you for this little impression, wheat ...
Antwort von WeiZen:
Moin,
your welcome.
Antwort von rtzbild:
Moin,
Sylvester by night
Subbbber, has convinced me!
Greetings from Trier
Olli
Antwort von Axel:
For "New Year by night" Of wheat:
The fact that you have convinced these shots of the lowlight quality of the VX2100, you think hopefully ironic. This camera can do more than that! The pictures are absolutely meaningless in terms of light output, since they either drown or entirely in an obscure light beam (30 watts Camlight?) Are partially overexposed. I regret to have no homepage, or I could teach a few shots of the VX2000 with candle light, a camera, which actually is not as bright as the VX2100. Mark, let's not be so, and send us a link with some good examples!
Antwort von jens:
Geht mir genauso. I'm now views the clip out of curiosity and have to say that the VX2100 (has at least ;-) I have more on it.
Therefore, it is probably synonymous not surprising that attest to many of the FX1 is equal (or even better) lowlight properties.
Greetings,
Jens
Antwort von pepo:
@ Markus Relating to VX2100 and 16 / 9
yes, the VX2100 is not a 16 / 9 or I lie next to ....
If anything, I'd buy it to me now ....
Antwort von rtzbild:
@ Markus Relating to VX2100 and 16 / 9
yes, the VX2100 is not a 16 / 9 or I lie next to ....
If anything, I'd buy it to me now ....
High,
According Sonyhttp://tinyurl.com/8pxxp yet!
> Misc.
> 16:9 Wide (Full) Yes
But only 43,2-518,4 mm Focal (KB)
The HDR-FX1 32.5 - 390 mm (KB)
Conversely, 'it would be dearer to me: o)
HTH
Gruß Olli
Antwort von jens:
Well, really I am not sure. Or it's just a definition thing. After all, why is there Anamorphic on VX2100? It would indeed meet draufzuschrauben a simple WW adapter in 16:9 mode. I mean, in 16:9 mode, only about 75% of full Resolutiongenutzt. Finally, we changed from 4:3 to 16:9 mode - at the top and bottom black bars inserted only.
I'm going to make comparison shots - at last, if I have time - let's see.
Greetings, Jens
Antwort von Markus:
Hi All,
So by definition, the VX2100 makes recording in true 16:9, that is, it produces 720 × 576 pixels with a pixel aspect ratio of 1.42, and this requires anamorphic onto tape. My 16:9 Television recognize these images as real, and switches to widescreen 16:9 display.
What is being discussed in this context again, the wide angle recording in the 16:9 to 4:3-Comparison of the same recording camera.
Learn more about this is (see the following contributions to the ... and) within each of the following posts posts
" help with orientation (-> anamorphic 16:9 and CCD size)
" 16:9 (-> subsequently convert image formats)
PS: Jens, I am looking forward to your test. :-)
Antwort von Axel:
So by definition, the VX2100 makes recording in true 16:9, that is, it produces 720 × 576 pixels with a pixel aspect ratio of 1.42, and this requires anamorphic onto tape. My 16:9 Television recognize these images as real, and switches to widescreen 16:9 display.
That is correct. Even if such be the FX1 or XL2 chips in 16:9 should have, but they distorted for an adjustment of the re-Anamorphic PAL standards, ie not synonymous ultimately provide more pixels. Maybe it's like with Super Panavision in movies that are copied to Cinemascope. The quality of the recording was better, the negative is larger in the output, there is no difference. As long as you can handle 16:9 in the editing programs are not natively (ie outside of the PAL standards), I see no advantage synonymous.
Antwort von Pepo:
So abstract terms VX2100 and 16 / 9:
It is only letterbox 16 / 9 is possible (not interesting because of the poorer Resolutionweil the Picture s.16 / 9 Television must be aufgezoomt)
If the full Resolutiondes CCD should be used, then that is only possible with an anamorphic lens.
An electronic anamorphic compression is only possible when Megapixel camcorder.
Antwort von jens:
Well ... now I've made by three sample images. Once with Anamorphic, 16:9 mode once the action and even 4:3. To my regret, I must give you right. I can recognize the best will in no major qualitative differences between the two 16:9 images. Clearly, that has a significantly larger Wide Angleals the other-but otherwise ..
But see for yourself:
4:3 of the VX2100
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16:9 of the VX2100
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Century 16:9 adapter using
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I do not synonymous know, although I have the correct pixel aspect ratio (1.42) in Premiere specified in the export. Where it is still not so dar. In image-editing program, but it can be properly show.
@ Mark: Here is synonymous provides good shade in the left-sided wide-angle. In optimal lighting conditions, he is still minimized. On TV we see him not.
Conclusion seems to me the question: Why a Anamorphic on VX2100? In fact, even seems to be a WW-meet adapter. This will additionally benefit synonymous what, if you take a 4:3 films?
On the other hand: It may be the only Verarsche? Why take / herself took the BBC's 16:9 adapter for its Vx?
Greetings, Jens [/ img]
Antwort von jens:
Ps: The part is dark blue margin on the adapter picture of a T-shirt on the clothesline. Sooo big are the shadows once again synonymous not ...;-)
Oh yes: And do not be surprised because of the lack of sharpness! Since I sometimes synonymous as a small film look-namely, the dreamer I am still runtergedreht something.
ciao, Jens
Antwort von jens:
Hey people, now I need to notify me again: you can say though that I weave - but when I look at the pictures long enough, I still think that the adapter image is better. Kuckt you the keys of the organ once a closer look! Although they are in the 16:9-intent next gone, they're really realize better. I find (very subjective)!
Antwort von curtis:
I believe that the Anamorphic - Picture synonymous looks better. Perhaps a sharp image would be better compared to the normal VX 16:9 are in Comparison to the Century-Picture for the letters of the "universe" lettering on the organ had second arches to know, that are not necessarily the same preconditions ...
Antwort von jens:
Perhaps a sharp image would be better compared to the normal VX 16:9 are in Comparison to the Century-Picture for the letters of the "universe" lettering on the organ had second arches to know, that are not necessarily the same preconditions ...
No, no, I had the same sharpness of images in all settings.
Antwort von jens:
Weil 's has left me no peace, I have two pieces again in the Premier blown up to 600% and then exported. I think these differences are even clearer:
16:9 of the VX2100:
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16:9 with attachment:
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Whether an anamorphic lens is so huge now actually gain the information that you probably still have to decide for themselves. Better comparison is perhaps synonymous video on a 16:9 television.
See you soon, Jens
Antwort von Axel:
Hello Jens,
Please compare the lateral boundaries of the first 4:3-image with the first 16:9-Picture. The horizontal field of view is exactly the same, only the top and bottom less image information is on it. It looks exactly how it would look like if we would cut the top and bottom of the Picture in letterbox mode or with the "widescreen" filter from the NLE. However, it is anamorphic distortion. Sonyerzählt us now that are displayed horizontally and 720 pixels vertically remains 576th Because of the Anamorph conversion by the pixel aspect ratio changes, and although obviously stretched upward, I wonder, where have you there are still 576 pixels square. If I'm not (again make) a moderate flaw, missing, in fact, more than 20% of image resolution. Here is what it synonymous out in Comparison to the physical Anamorphic.
What I now do not quite understand, is the equal treatment of both variants in the 16:9-editing programs. Explain to me the time please someone. And finally, there is the variant of the "true" 16:9 chip. Is the more pixels horizontally s.als 720 (eg DV mode, the FX1)? And why, again, must be synonymous here Anamorphic captured in order to get the correct display?
I have no Anamarphoten of Century and Optex, but based on the sample images, they seem to me to bring something.
Antwort von jens:
And finally, there is the variant of the "true" 16:9 chip. Is the more pixels horizontally s.als 720 (eg DV mode, the FX1)?
Only shortly before bedtime:
I would imagine that the true record in true 16:9, that is 1024 * 768 pixels - the DV standard is all but written only in 720 * 576 pixels on the tape.
The brighter among you may correct me please!
Good night, Jens
Antwort von Pepo:
For me is clear: The VX2100 is not a useful 16 / 9 (except with an anamorphic lens)
To make even more confusion:
There are 3 types in 16 / 9 film to:
1. Letterbox: This I believe all can camcorders. It appears above and below, only one bar, which will be only a marker. Purpose: When you shoot, no one should be beheaded. While watching the 16 / 9 Television necessary to enlarge the picture horizontally and vertically, and the picture has exactly s.Schirm place. The Picture is cut off top and bottom, however, does not matter anyway because it's only the black border, which then disappears. Disadvantage: The magnification is the picture blurred.
2. called anamorphic 16 / 9 (often true 16 / 9): There will be a horizontal shrink to Picture. This is done either with a lens or in the new electronical megapixel camcorder. A ball is the egg. S.Television Looking at the picture is enlarged horizontally only. The egg is back to the ball just over half a disadvantage: Picture is only slightly blurred horizontally, vertically remain in full resolution Obtain.
3. HDV (Fx. ....) that would be a really genuine 16 / 9.
Pal default is 4 / 3 - there are therefore 1 and 2 into question.
Antwort von jens:
Na to 1 you are not quite right. At least I do not understand it properly. What is clear: If you connect to the VX2100 of 4:3 to 16:9 will be displayed just above and below black bars. Synonymous why I always went out of a letterboxed recording. BUT: Somehow it takes the camera to the 16:9 format, as: the software of 16:9 and 16:9 as they recognize Television Studio (hence the synonymous egghead) in 2.Picture. That is, I play a 16:9 recording the VX2100 (in 16:9 mode) s.16: 9 TV, he recognizes it and makes it as wide dar. zoom in, there is nothing with.
I think Axel's question went to the same Richtungt. Who has an answer?
Antwort von Axel:
called anamorphic 16 / 9 (often true 16 / 9): There will be a horizontal shrink to Picture. This is done either with a lens or in the new electronical megapixel camcorder. A ball is the egg. S.Television Looking at the picture is enlarged horizontally only. The egg is back to the ball just over half a disadvantage: Picture is only slightly blurred horizontally, vertically remain in full resolution Obtain.
Antwort von Axel:
called anamorphic 16 / 9 (often true 16 / 9): There will be a horizontal shrink to Picture. This is done either with a lens or in the new electronical megapixel camcorder. A ball is the egg. S.Television Looking at the picture is enlarged horizontally only. The egg is back to the ball just over half a disadvantage: Picture is only slightly blurred horizontally, vertically remain in full resolution Obtain.
My guess: VX2100 increases, as it says in the manual, "the real 'in PAL 16:9 anamorphic standard 720x576. This probably needs to electronical redefined the pixel aspect ratio by 25% to be stretched horizontally and not vertically stretched, as I wrote in my earlier post. It would be only in the standard 4:3 - mode squeezed upward look. All pixels of the chip are used. The relative equalization of the NLE program is anamorphic PAL instead of always by definition, synonymous, if not the Pixelmass, but the picture itself is squeezed by the Optics. The rectified output to a 16:9 - TV is the Picture auto, again only on the aspect ratio. If "true" 16:9 horizontal pixels are elongated and thus allow only a poorer vertical resolution, which can be tested when fine-contrast, vertical lines in 4:3 and 16:9 compares (divisions) in the keyboard. With the converter, however, have all their Origin pixel sized. Through the extension of the TV) of the cutting program, although in fact they are moved back into the track (it seems to them but get better. Possible?
Antwort von jens:
I have just smoked a little head, because I'm actually s.Arbeiten. Just this:
The relative equalization of the NLE program is anamorphic PAL instead of always by definition, synonymous, if not the Pixelmass, but the picture itself is squeezed by the Optics.
Could be that I misunderstood you - but that NLE-Programm/16 :9-TV recognizes the 16:9 anamorphic recording by far than 16:9. How do synonymous? This I attributed to, (always set to manual as a dv-16: 9 interpreted in wide screen mode or switch).
See you soon, Jens
Antwort von Markus:
Turns to the VX2100 of 4:3 to 16:9, only the top and bottom black bars are displayed.
Hello Jens,
The VX2100 can record no letterbox, but only (!) anamorphic 16:9. Otherwise, the Capture program or the television would not interpret widescreen. The reason for the black bars is 4:3 - Display of the camcorder. Since the picture will be displayed in the correct format so it is no longer the entire display area is used for display. The same applies to a 4:3-present Television: To 16:9 videos in the correct aspect ratio, the picture must be vertically compressed, so that it fits the given width. Then, of course, appear at the top and bottom black bars.
One thing I can say: Since I have a 16:9 television, I am always disappointed when the television program "will only broadcast in 4:3 - with black bars left and right! ;-)
Antwort von jens:
Well Mark, what amazes me is just, that, when you change VX2100 from 4:3 to 16:9 mode, that alone will be displayed above and below the black borders. Otherwise, nothing changes. Zero.
No matter.
Say something to your images!
Greetings, Jens
Antwort von Markus:
Say something to your images!
I think that speaks for itself. I find it interesting, especially the fact that although there is a difference, but this can be seen only on second or third look, and with direct Comparison with an anamorphic picture. The last bit of quality costs, therefore - as so often - a great deal money.
... changes to the VX2100 from 4:3 to 16:9 mode, that alone will be displayed above and below the black borders. Otherwise, nothing changes. Zero.
Look closely through: The picture changed slightly synonymous (s.bestimmten recognizable image content). Must indeed synonymous, for the same vertical Resolutionwird in 16:9 mode on a smaller Height depicted.
Antwort von jens:
I find it interesting, especially the fact that although there is a difference, but this can be seen only on second or third look, and with direct Comparison with an anamorphic picture.
Well, yes I was so synonymous. But I think that such a Comparison is difficult to assess. In the meantime I think the differences have serious (I'm talking about me like a likely synonymous ;-). A fair Comparison would be on a 16:9 TV.
For direct Comparison:
When I click on my old 4:3 tube Kucke I am so happy synonymous. Just beware if someone asks me a ultraneuen "super" plasma next ;-)
The picture changed slightly synonymous (s.bestimmten recognizable image content).
The first picture and the second picture is the exact sequence (one shot then 4:3) 16:9 of the action. Although the 16:9 picture is displayed correctly, I can at allerallerbesten will see no change in the Picture (except for the lack of information above and below ;-)
But what 's is to, ultimately, we're both happy and that is probably the main thing!
Nice evening, Jens [/ quote]
Antwort von Martin:
Hello Jens,
would be nice if we could chat by email. I turn in the next few months my diploma film and had to squint Anamorphic synonymous for "Video lenses" or 35mm film lenses.
You have not enter any email in deienem profile, but I would be interested in how do the Anamorphic relationships, whether you it trims etc.
Regards,
martinbargiel@gmx.net
Antwort von jens:
Hey Martin, can we still synonymous clarify here in the forum - and with any luck here you might fret a profit from ;-).
Joking aside, I was very lucky with the Anamorphic: have it auctioned at ebay.com somewhere in America. Since the man had stopped for a mere 500 beeping ($$$) to BUY NOW or Bidding from $ 1. Of course, I'm not long with twitching of an eyelid and immediately slammed shut. At that time the exchange rate was even much better than today. The seller was very nice, the Century was not new but in fact as new. No signs of use (probably only used for a film). Well, in any event, the entire paid via Paypal and after 2 weeks I had the thing. Even without problems with the inch, which would neither tax nor Inch.
So my tip: look around you (globally) on ebay. Before I found the Century, I watched an advance Optex. Cheaper than $ 500 you will probably come under any circumstances. It is advisable to look to the opinions of the Sellers and if Paypal is possible. So you've got (a hedge if nothing comes of which you get back) the money.
Likewise, it is probably wise to allow mail to Anamorphic pictures that were sometimes synonymous times offered a damaged (but there apparently had no effect on the recording).
Incidentally, until finally, someone has inter alia, a Century Anamorphic here Yes. Ultimately, I found the way, synonymous investment makes sense, since it is a good value system. When I eventually change to HDV, I have suffered the loss in value of my VX2100. For the Anamorphic but I will definitely still got my coals (Unless it's too late. When HDV cameras are standard, one need no more - but as long as I am anyway can not wait ;-).
Well and borrow? Difficult. I am currently working even s.einem extensive project, which is very synonymous is protracted, because I actually put in the middle of my exams exams. In addition, (s plane), I (we) the spins at relatively short notice. So I can hardly do without him. If you come from Dresden and surrounding area, but certainly one could even talk about it.
Ps: Have just peeped: to discover, unfortunately, nothing on ebay (Key words: anamorphic, optext, century)
Antwort von Markus:
... I was very lucky with the Anamorphic: have it auctioned at ebay.com somewhere in America.
But then so can only NTSC ... ;-)))
Antwort von jens:
Synonymous Now I know why I'm suddenly so did a lousy picture ... Thanks for the tip Mark. Way that thing!
OFFER:
Give NTSC Widescreen Adapter Century of sale (red wine bottle an it would be nice ;-)!!
Jens
Antwort von TH1:
lol: D
