Frage von r.p.television:
After I have already read once in a threat that the iPhone (or other synonymous smartphones) occasionally disturb the picture of a video camera, I was actually already carefully and have all employees when production stopped their cell phones not only to identify but mutes.
Unfortunately, the actor has a daily production is not observed. A leased-EX1 on a camera crane made an expensive trip, including a "flyby" s.besagtem performers.
Now, the picture began in the vicinity of the actor to vibrate. This, unfortunately, we noticed only in the post when operating the crane as it has other worries on respected as a vibrant pictures.
After a brief search of the performers came out that his iPhone with 3G enabled (or what ever it is synonymous) has made only on silently. He had the misunderstanding.
Footage of an XH A1s, which came just as close to the actor is astonishingly complete without disturbance, which probably suggests that this camera is better shielded.
Now it must be nachgedreht. Compete despite a cost of loyal teams are charged for the most part (depending on the perspective, manageable) 600.
Scheiss iPhone!
If I even want to show an apple-blinded his unsolicited new Sinnfreies App demonstrate I told him how far I can throw his toys.
Has anyone besides me had a similar experience? It would be interesting whether specific types of cameras and Manufacturers are more susceptible to this phenomenon.
Antwort von Pianist:
Has anyone besides me had a similar experience? It would be interesting whether specific types of cameras and Manufacturers are more susceptible to this phenomenon. Mobile phones spread quickly then somewhere in sound, usually in some public address systems, the picture is me that has not happened, however. The only image disturbance, which I had with my Ikegami cameras ever to have been caused by pressing the talk button of a radio device, operating with 1 W output power at one meter distance. And I immediately saw in the viewfinder. Then you should then consider whether the interference arises in the viewfinder or already in the camera head. Contact lines on the railways (15,000 volts at 16.7 Hertz) occasionally spread into my viewfinder, but not in the camera head so that the recordings are in order. In the case of the radio's operation, I asked those who still give views on the statement, without pressing the Talk button.
Matthias
Antwort von Alikali:
I've already experienced synonymous with a perfectly ordinary Nokia:
Conjured up in the hospital despite the strict ban would be a mobile phone
incorrigible beautiful when sending an SMS waves pattern
on the surveillance monitors - and synonymous to our monitor.
What a mean (legitimate but in reality) in the uprising
Hospital staff quickly hurried triggered.
Furthermore a comprehensive apology campaign.
The cameraman (think with PD 170) has noticed it immediately
therefore, continues through at least no more expensive.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... If I even want to show an apple-blinded his unsolicited new Sinnfreies App demonstrate I told him how far I can throw his toys ... From what you write, but your anger should really be directed against the EX1, less so against the iPhone? Known fact is that iPhone - the 3G more than the new 3GS - at full power are not very low radiation, taking up with their values, but not synonymous negative record. Similar reports of interference from other devices will be synonymous of a BlackBerry, Nokia, Motorola, etc. Much more interesting would be for me but to answer the question why the EX1 difficulties and get the XH-A1s not?
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Well, first Kabelwirrwar now Gehirnwirrwar!
Since the radiation monitor arms does not help next synonymous.
Antwort von r.p.television:
I have before the iPhone debacle, so synonymous have made several experiences with picture noise. At that time my SonyDSR with WSP-500. Once I had flimmriges Picture under the radio antenna on the Empire State Building - and not just in the viewfinder. And once literally jumping picture on the deck of an aircraft carrier next to a rotating radar dish.
Amazingly, I have only this year with my private XH A1 back to the top of the Empire State Building and rotated it was not even hear the slightest hum (where) the footage of my professional Sonyanhörte as the radio traffic heranfliegender UFOs.
It seems that Sony camcorders are generally Sensitive or less shielded. So it is not just specifically the Sony EX1 but in general might. The question remains whether the XH A1 is a commendable exception, or whether one has the same problems synonymous with pro and amateur models of the Manufacturer Panasonic and JVC.
If, however, generally have the problem with the iPhone. On PKs or some type corporate events even now as one in three runs with an iPhone around. As would be interesting with what one of these cameras radiation cucumber becomes master. For iPhone disciples beratungsresistent and will not give up so fast their brains cooker - synonymous when the radiation is still so unhealthy. Finally, it is chic and an apple is synonymous on it ....
Apparently the troublemaker iPhone extremely variable in its radiation output. Depending on the network strength, he radiates strong or less strong. And apparently there are apps via Blue Tooth or WLAN, or whatever synonymous always (I know there not from me) for connecting equipment s.irgendwelche again do the rest. Since it is apparently synonymous empty after two hours of the Battery.
Have just googled for radiation of the iPhone. Although it is not the worst phone, but with an average of 1.2 watts per kilogram mass of radiation is very high. Normal phones are more equal to 0.40.
Antwort von Valentino:
Most likely synonymous lies just s.dieser 3G combination with high data query. Since smartphones have made energy-saving reasons alone curb the power or even in standby mode after about.
Now if your actor but music was just about to download or was simply just a chat program, the course dauergestrahlt ". This UMTS reception must still have been bad, because then the phone boots up, additionally, the transmission power.
The A1 is the Canon's can not disturb them is not surprising, since these must be shielded a lot better than the Sony cameras.
Remember me another image film shoot for a customer's farm produced with combined GSM / UMTS / GPS bearing is.
When one of the field with the smaller HV20 came near s.den transmitter, the picture was so faded. The A1, however, has identified all of nothing.
Antwort von r.p.television:
.... the only image disturbance, which I had with my Ikegami cameras ever to have been caused by pressing the talk button of a radio device, operating with 1 W output power at one meter distance. And I immediately saw in the viewfinder. Then you should then consider whether the interference arises in the viewfinder or already in the camera head. Contact lines on the railways (15,000 volts at 16.7 Hertz) occasionally spread into my viewfinder, but not in the camera head so that the recordings are in order. In the case of the radio's operation, I asked those who still give views on the statement, without pressing the Talk button.
Matthias It would be interesting now synonymous to how you behave, for example, the ratio of the radiation of said hand cucumber with the iPhone. The hand has cucumber 1W at 1 meter distance. The iPhone will be measured with 1.2 W / KG. But this is a measurement of the effect on tissues and concerns I have never found the power output at 1 meter distance.
We are with the camera crane flew by about 80 cm s.Darsteller, where the disturbance had more s.1, 20 began. The question was just what power the iPhone at this time because the network may be very poor and some Apps.
Antwort von domain:
Will probably have nothing to do with Sonyan to much. Have synonymous with the FX1 been filmed from the Empire State Building without error, ditto on our local mountain, where a total installed power of 50,000 watts. But up there works, to compensate for almost any cell phone more ;-)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... For iPhone disciples beratungsresistent and will not give up so fast their brains cooker - synonymous when the radiation is still so unhealthy. Finally, it is chic and an apple is synonymous on it ... Perhaps they are not so stupid and conceited, but to use the iPhone only because they are aware that many BlackBerry and Motorola's rays much stronger? ;-)
... Apparently the troublemaker iPhone extremely variable in its radiation output. Depending on the network strength, he radiates strong or less strong ... This is no treachery of the iPhone, but simply the principle of operation of mobile phones.
... Have just googled for radiation of the iPhone. Although it is not the worst phone, but with an average of 1.2 watts per kilogram mass of radiation is very high. Normal phones are more or 0.40 ... Normal cell phones have are not synonymous, the possibilities of a smartphone, which the iPhone - and in this group, they are not as bad times. Who's interested: There is a very current survey, compiled of the U.S. "Environmental Working Group
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_round_up/321160/mobile_phone_safe_radiation_guide_published.html
Antwort von nicecam:
Suspected to better shield the XH-A1 to see interference synonymous Wolfgang (trunk) Experience
Antwort von r.p.television:
From what you write, but your anger should really be directed against the EX1, less so against the iPhone ?....
I liked the iPhone not before. Perhaps the fault is therefore erstmal s.das phone. Also you have to say: The iPhone with radiation penetrates us, not the EX1 (), at least not more than other electrical devices.
My distaste for the iPhone earlier was rather s.der Firmenpolitk of Apple. I can still remember how they made the time Bill Gates or Microsoft s.den pilloried blocked because the foreign net-browsers. What Apple currently makes is just as bad if not worse. Only customers s.einen particular network tie and make videos on YouTube and then only playable. Do not want to know what sort of money tiles in the background. Often I almost angry iPhone users have to explain why they are not the new corporate video to watch on their phone. Answer. Apple, for example blocks of Vimeo videos. And there needs to Youtube some days previously uploaded videos must be converted to iPhone users wait longer for videos to be able to sift. And that will not understand the people and brings me to despair.
Certainly, one can but specifically in this context Sonyvorwerfen that it is not enough to shield their cameras. Especially these days, this aspect will get enough weight.
Antwort von Chezus:
Want rumhacken now generally on the iPhone or do you want to put up so that there may be synonymous with other cell phones cause interference?
That just the actors wore his cell phone is unprofessional. Themselves to blame.
I have hours and hours of time lapse with the EX 1 behind me and the iPhone (3Gs) has shortened my time here. I just sat beside it and have always used the Internet, making phone calls, watched series, called Youtube, etc. Had this NIE problems with any single Time Lapse.
As I said: iPhone + SonyEX 1
Must therefore not necessarily s.der combination are
Antwort von r.p.television:
Want rumhacken now generally on the iPhone or do you want to put up so that there may be synonymous with other cell phones cause interference?
That just the actors wore his cell phone is unprofessional. Themselves to blame.
I have hours and hours of time lapse with the EX 1 behind me and the iPhone (3Gs) has shortened my time here. I just sat beside it and have always used the Internet, making phone calls, watched series, called Youtube, etc. Had this NIE problems with any single Time Lapse.
As I said: iPhone + SonyEX 1
Must therefore not necessarily s.der combination are I have already mentioned that this is probably true of all smartphones with the iPhone, of course, has the largest presence, so to speak, and is considered representative for the smartphones. Also I found when googling that the iPhone is the worst emitter 1W/n.operiert is far above the recommended limit of.
My personal distaste for this phone here does not matter. It applies only to find out under what situations and combinations of such disturbances occur which camera. After all, this may indeed occur immense economic damage.
If you had you write while you sit beside the EX1 in time-lapse operation it can perhaps be interpreted as synonymous that perhaps even the direction of the camera plays a role. For me, the actor was in the picture that is in front of the camera was illuminated. But this I know my way too little.
The problem with the iPhone is probably that it approve the iPhone apps are much stronger radiation as planned. A friend of me has to remotely control a specific app desktop elements for which the lights of a concert stage. This app allows iPhone leersaugen of freshly charged within 2 hours. Wonders where all the energy go, and we do not know what other Apps.
I know my way around this direction, unfortunately not. Maybe someone here can reflect more substantial.
I have, for understandable reasons, no longer in contact synonymous (to which the actor was easily replaceable). Otherwise I could ask him whether he has any Klimbim sucked from the network, or else had to run some App.
Antwort von wolfgang:
So this applies to ANY handset, not just on iPhones or smartphones. And are synonymous for devices with 3G UMTS before the age that was so - that is synonymous for pure voice devices. With 3G it has become only stronger.
Is synonymous totally wrong way, when the cinema in the vicinity of masts to strong - even in the NY times on the roof of the Empire State Building or the (former) World Trade Center filmed, where broadcast television stations? Since the electronics turns out quite violently ...
Where I think we have heard was a lack of professionalism in the game - on both the camera man - who had the need to remember very well what is to his work if not control of the image? As the performers themselves were exchanged synonymous surely both! ;)
Antwort von r.p.television:
So this applies to ANY handset, not just on iPhones or smartphones. And are synonymous for devices with 3G UMTS before the age that was so - that is synonymous for pure voice devices. With 3G it has become only stronger.
Is synonymous totally wrong way, when the cinema in the vicinity of masts to strong - even in the NY times on the roof of the Empire State Building or the (former) World Trade Center filmed, where broadcast television stations? Since the electronics turns out quite violently ...
Where I think we have heard was a lack of professionalism in the game - on both the camera man - who had the need to remember very well what is to his work if not control of the image? As the performers themselves were exchanged synonymous surely both! ;) If you'd read more you knew that it has acted as an crane shot. Here, the camera was placed on a fixed aperture and focus. The cameraman operated the crane and had only a preview monitor in PAL quality. Moreover, we discover while operating a crane in connection with a remote head problems other than a vibrant picture of. Especially since the only picture synonymous in the vicinity of the actor "vibierte.
The crane operator was not to blame. The Picture vibiert to about 2-3 pixels. At the preview monitor of the crane, this should not have been visible.
That with the masts and even the roof of the Empire State Building, I have written above even next. And since it came on Erkenntis plays a major role with which camera is filmed. The XH A1 (s) appears in this role frequently assigned to cut off very well. My old (much more professional) DSR-500 WSP fabricated under same conditions unsightly flicker. Russell wrote in his blog, and also that a professional Betacam handed in by radiation useless material - its XH does not A1.
Maybe I should rephrase the other thread:
Which camera works s.besten with radiation from smartphones? And what situations or what features s.Smartphones reinforce these symptoms?
Antwort von deti:
The Picture vibiert to about 2-3 pixels. At the preview monitor of the crane, this should not have been visible. ... The recording can be very likely to save with a Entwacklungssoftware like Deshaker. Have you thought about it again?
Deti
Antwort von r.p.television:
The Picture vibiert to about 2-3 pixels. At the preview monitor of the crane, this should not have been visible.
... The recording can be very likely to save with a Entwacklungssoftware like Deshaker. Have you thought about it again?
Deti I have run multiple plugins in After Effects over it. Unfortunately not convinced in this particular case. The problem is that the whole picture is extremely artefaktbelastet as synonymous with the minimal but very fast pixel shift of XD CAM EX codec came with his 35 Mbit s.The limits.
Since the recording is an important scene, and proceed to stand in full HD, does it not simply synonymous reduce Resolutionzu.
The turn continues is already tomorrow and we are synonymous terms what the costs still got away with a black eye. The crane belongs to us and some even compete for free. It covered only cost of renting EX1 course s.and some personnel costs.
To remove any possible confusion: There were three cameras s.Start:
I rented a SonyPDW 700 the self employed, a B-roll XH A1s (my own) that I a trainee in his hand and pressed the EX1 on the crane. The EX1 was the only problem. It must be said, however, synonymous with the PDW 700 that I am the actor does not have come closer than 3 meters. So I can not say whether this is synonymous susceptible to interference from cell phone radiation. The XH A1 came very close to the actor, however, at least as close as the EX1 to the crane - if not closer.
Until now, we can therefore assume that the XH A1 is a bank if you want to be sure.
Have now made my interest once SonyEricsson 850i placed directly in broadcasting my XH A1 and then on my DSR-500 WSP. Here, no disturbances occurred. Not even on the more failure-prone DSR 500th
Perhaps someone can test times The same with an iPhone and an available camera.
I'm curious how reproducible is this disorder.
Antwort von deti:
So goes wenns ums play, then I could terrorize the coming days once SonyPDW700, PMW EX-3, Panasonic AG-HPX 3000, and HF100 Canon EOS 5D Mark II with UMTS and GSM at close range. Will you still a Digibeta for Comparison? All I know is not whether someone is really interested in all this ...
But it could be synonymous, that the control of the remote head is not quite mobilfunkfest.
Deti
Antwort von r.p.television:
Me in any case.
Those who work professionally to know what to expect in certain situations of turning his camera. And after smartphones are a growing phenomenon that may soon affect all of the filming guild.
As I said on stage or in studio shoots anyway valid phone ban. During our rotation, we had to do with it, unfortunately, just one-alls who said the ban would only be there to annoy him.
But there are plenty of situations such as press conferences, or just another shoot which can not be avoided that people with 3G enabled, or ignore what always synonymous s.der Camera.
Here sometimes someone has written, he had had problems with the iPhone. Unfortunately I have not found this thread on the go. So I am not a single person had been suffering from it.
What do you mean with the control of the remote Heads? You mean the vibrations do not come from the camera head but of the Pan-and Tiltmotoren? I do not think so. How fast can not even hit the produce to such vibrations in the picture too.
And the engines of the heads are not synonymous for the disturbance in the camera in question, for the induction of radiation would have occurred then the whole time and not only in the vicinity of the actor or the cell phone.
Antwort von r.p.television:
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Antwort von Jan-Paul:
Have now made my interest once SonyEricsson 850i placed directly in broadcasting my XH A1 and then on my DSR-500 WSP. Here, no disturbances occurred. Not even on the more failure-prone DSR 500th
Kriegste because more disturbances on the tape because of magnetism? Handy jump s.tape fuckt's off anyway. Similar to audio speakers.
Yes, hard way ...
But has it apparently been ja nix. When I think I know more setups synonymous with a magnetic flip directly s.Viewfinder an FX1 to the Picture of the M2 of Redrock. Has synonymous always work.
