Frage von TEGS:
a friendly hello to @ ll,
I'm already in the forum for a while en route to give me a few suggestions regarding how tips Still Image and video download.
I must say that I am here very much ... therefore I am now synonymous registered in the forum.
Well, I am very interested in the video shoot ... synonymous've been a little in the private sphere (family, friends, acquaintances) Video with some DV material. My camera (Panasonic NV-DS 28EG) has given me faithful services.
Now I would like to sacrifice my free time around with a new envelope for Still Image and Film, Weddings, Anniversaries, Product Image and video to create.
The hardware and software which I introduce myself (planning) are as follows ...
Perhaps one or the other saying (My wife says it synonymous :-))
the investment would be too high ... to one for me yet unknown market. My opinion is that this is the quality you offer must be ... HDV is asked
SonyHVR Z7E + accessories
Nikon D300 + accessories
Adobe Master Collection
I would like to know of you experts ...
- What is the chance to make anything besides money?
- What is your opinion on the above hardware and software?
- Maybe examples for their own advertising (website, newspaper ...??)
I would be really concerned about your opinion, suggestion ... let's look just a little chat ...
Thank you
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Edit from Mod: headline enriched with sense (previously "Moin, Moin'm new here").
Antwort von raymaker:
- What is the chance to make anything besides money? As a Beginner? Very low.
- What is your opinion on the above hardware and software? You can not, literally, dancing on two weddings. Either Video or Still Image. Everything else goes in the pants.
Seriously, you had a camera a Low-End Media Market Model and want as a next step, a 5500 ¬-Cam buy, and order videos?
And once again shines a thin technical knowledge indicates. If I "Quality is in demand, [namely] HDV" must read, I can only shake their heads. That takes you to the Mueller family, except no one from the wedding.
Antwort von Meggs:
SonyHVR Z7E + accessories
Nikon D300 + accessories
Adobe Master Collection
You really rise much above. To think about would be the accessories. The Nikon D300 and have the change Z7E optics. Did you look at the viewing lens prices? If your budget is not sufficient for adequate optics, would be a good camera with fixed optics and a DSLR with a number of improved modestly Optics bottom line more.
synonymous've been a little in the private sphere (family, friends, acquaintances) some DV Video material filled with Remember this: the equipment is not even half the battle, when you're in the profession wants to earn money. It is very much talent, experience, knowledge and skills to enable s.Ende really what comes out, which differs from the result of an average amateur filmmaker / amateur photographers stand out.
Now I would like to sacrifice my free time ... Do you really think that you manage in your free time?
It is not easy, real jobs to get paid. Sure - in the friends quickly found someone whose wedding you have for a few Euros filming "can". A good website and a few ads
are not sufficient to make appropriate orders to get. Above all, required references, and the only times you have none.
The two areas of video and still image are very different, there are few who know both well enough, in order to be able to earn money.
My opinion is that this is the quality you offer must be ... HDV is asked This is very much on the individual or the customer structure. I have almost exclusively PAL orders for event shooting. I am glad that I did not have so many more VHS copies to be supplied, and that increasingly is being asked 16:9.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... HDV takes you ... except for the Mueller family wedding nobody from ... HDV is the image or movie industry sector does not so rare recording format (much is even in SD rotated), but in principle you have quite naturally: with a good equipment alone is not enough.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von PowerMac:
HDV is going very well. An HDV Camera (Z7, Z1, the 270) or a better XDCAM HD (EX1 or 330) is good in the hands of professionals for industry or image films, five in the locker area. An HDV camera in the hands of a layman is as valuable as a porn magazine from 1999.
Antwort von klaas:
... A HDV camera in the hands of a layman is as valuable as a porn magazine from the year 1999 ... but since there were times this special edition ... ;)
gruß, klaas.
Antwort von TEGS:
Thank you for your answers first. You've certainly said it right when I climb high ... now that's clear to me ... if I remember times but assumed it works with a few orders and the final product is like ... I'm annoyed if the equipment sometime too small is.
Still with The Image and video together ... ok now because it could have quite synonymous, but what if a customer requires both?
To change the lens, I can only say so much ... that it is I think a standard lens with which one acts s.Anfang quite clearly would have come without having to buy more.
Still Image What are synonymous, one could be an alpha 700 growth then you could replace the Lenses ...
My motto was always ... if purchased will be no sch ....
To my skills, I can say ... Practice makes perfect ... clearly a professional camera with such a totally different deal ... but we have once synonymous cycling learned :-)
For me, it is important a good equipment to have in order to stay flexible ... and who can sell well ... the gets.
Antwort von JMS Productions:
My opinion is that this is the quality you offer must be ... Yes exactly! Ultimately, the quality is the key. The often> 5000 ¬ expensive equipment is
really secondary. Nevertheless, a certain quality only with a certain (semi-professional) equipment to achieve.
Specifically to your project:
I agree because Raymaker and Meggen fully and completely to:
Synonymous Firstly I think that you perhaps take over, if you advance camera for ¬ 100-200 perhaps had you out back and a few weddings, etc. "station" have, then something schnulzige Wedding Music beigemischst searched and the whole thing on DVD and have banned you now have a camera for> 5000 ¬ buy, again to the entire Adobe Production Premium Master Set for again about ~ 2000 ¬, plus accessories and everything and this service is synonymous still want to offer the side. Although it is not impossible (nothing is impossible ;-)) but the chances are rather low to very low, so that you will get many orders for all expenditures reinzuholen again and yet also to make profit ...
Meggen As said, references are very important. Of course it is always difficult in the beginning of this area a foothold, if one has nothing, what you could produce.
I would suggest you:
Buy yourself (if necessary and synonymous financial situation) a slightly better camera than the one you already have. Then you put synonymous a good (better) to Austattung. No professional stuff for what I know how much 1000 ¬. For example, a good tripod and (a) good (s) Microphone (s). This is often (or in your case) more than equal to it with expensive equipment used to want to own. And then in your free time trying to film as much as you can and want. This is the only way you learn about this. When shooting, you will learn to know your camera, you better with time, you'll always creative and better camera angles to try (want to), so with the time to see your films more and more synonymous professional from.
To s.Referenzen to come, for example, you can ask if you maybe times for local Musikverein a small advertisement can produce, or a small Imagefilm for a climbing wall, then this can play on your home page, etc etc etc.
That, of course, no references are the clients with "professional standards" to convince, is quite clear, but if you have these little things well and with passion, then you might recommend climbing the garden next time then, the Musikverein recommends you here next and if you rise with the time and only synonymous even higher screw your claims, then you will be synonymous with a known time. And so
can the whole thing of course continue to evolve.
I wish you much success and lots of fun with what you plan :-)
Many greetings
EDIT: Sorry, you were with your post faster than I with my half-Roman ;-) But my tips are still not changed after your contribution.
Antwort von Tuffy:
Still with The Image and video together ... ok now because it could have quite synonymous, but what if a customer requires both? Times somewhat overstated:
At a wedding, the organizer should not be surprised if it is next to the tart pastry is not yet making the rest of catering. If there is a company, with several specialists, it is something else.
Motorcycles and cars are synonymous differently, they seem so close together :-)
Gruß,
Lucas
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Then you put synonymous a good (better) equipment to ... a good tripod and (a) good (s) Microphone (s) ... A good tip! Also I would only once at the Camera a bit deeper, because it anyway as you will probably only part of the equipment replaced again. A decent Tripod (s.ca. 600 euros) and a microphone (micro-directional dynamic hand mic, and Ansteckmikro radio link together s.ca. 1100 Euro) Camera survive on the other hand, some generations. The light you could be required according to demand rent, otherwise it is an average light suitcase with around 1000 euros to Beech.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von TEGS:
JMS Production Thanks for your contribution.
I have made these contributions go a bit on my way to the amateur filmmaker with a passion :-)
The climbing with the club and music is a great idea ... that there is enough for us ;-) Then opens it synonymous with the references ...
Antwort von gunman:
Hello,
So, I can only agree with my outpost. In particular, what your project Still Image and Video for weddings, family celebrations, etc. are concerned.
Let your fingers like this! Either Video or Still Image.
I myself have over 20 years semi professionally photographed and then am since 1999 has converted to video, which does not mean that I no longer do photos, but: I have almost always a small Lumix in my luggage and use it on holiday synonymous Photography . The stills do I leave it in my video, but with the masses.
The knowledge of photography are helpful what the lighting is concerned, for example, but actually are photography and video and 2 pairs of shoes when you walk s.jedem another shoe wear, you will not walk properly, can still run.
Gunman
Antwort von PowerMac:
It annoys me when some people take pictures at once and want to produce a film! Drehbücher to write and things to tell cinematically, to stage, what has that please to do with photography?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
From what sort of "photographers" "images" speak to you please Powermac? One has to clearly distinguish.
;-) It may be someone of the photos as an expression of a situation / art using film as synonymous material ... he can carry the whole stuff just is not alone .... happert because it only ever ;-)
But I see what you want and also I agree with you at first.
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Gude TEGS
So your project and your targeted Equitment is ok.
So from the perspective of quality.
However, since to be synonymous chen models then the correct accessories will be again, we are talking of about 5 000 euro minimum.
All in all, 20 000 euros your office .... for a hobby .... I'll give your wife is right. Too much.
As a side .... For Job too risky.
As the main job too.
The target of Dir (cameras) ..... What do you think of you? Full? Or because you just from the series are semi? (Image history)
So it makes better pictures with you directly.
My tip ....
400D
HV30
35mm adapter
Manfrotto Tripod and Video / Still Image Header (good heads up Euro s.250)
Good example of Rhode mic / Sennheiser
Light and Flash Set
Screw Filters / Plug-plus small Mattebox (? Cokin?)
Lenses do you buy good USM lens and FL so good that you ca of 18mm - 300 mm can cover everything.
24mm
50mm
85mm
100mm
18-135mm
70-300mm
The rich s.Anfang first try.
In conjunction with a 35mm adapter because you can really have "PRO" work.
But with the software / Capture Card then you're already at 8-10 000 euros including bags Batteries
Still a lot of money. But sometimes very sufficient quality to be achieved.
If you then see why the times to better Equitment switch, then there are already synonymous newer cameras ;-)
Until then you have the standard equipment with indie filmmakers of the top things can be made, and the man synonymous with a couple of times Mark can earn.
If you think so, Yes I like it because ..... buy something useful and the rest of the money order with your wife s.schöne places of this world to fly, that takes your wife well and good you can film and photos make.
Since only Professional Camera at home helps you usually little ;-)
Alla
Wünsch Dir was .... and oh yes, you're right here with questions about your hobby ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Let your fingers like this! Either Video or Still Image ... Based on the same job, I agree, but you can certainly both services - a customer then takes this and the other one.
Lenses ... .. good buy du lens FL ... Just so no confusion with "FL" do you mean lenses with fluorite elements, right? The real-FL Series Canon FD was the predecessor, the so-circa 1965 came on the market. This is not a great state to do more, because the requirements s.die optics yet extremely increased.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
Moin,
Now I am reassured that there are blue-eyed people out there than me! , -)
Shortly described, I photographed for about 20 years professionally, not only for the corner shop s.der, synonymous greater things. Have started with 12 to photograph the first with 16 mini-jobs done, and later studied Fotodesign me and almost without a break most intensively with imaging depth. I can illuminate things advertising of earrings to hot strip mills.
With this design experience, I now consider, on the advice of a photographer-Coacherin to hear me, and times to deal with videos. The first steps will be courses in open channel and a 5-day workshop on "video journalism" to be.
I will then have to purchase an HD camera with accessories / cut to reflect. And then begins the learn (by doing) until properly.
There are some newcomers to photography. Biologists / geologists / ornithologists land like in nature photography, fashion designers in the fashion photography ...
The professional design rather distant man, who trade with a ¬ 20,000 - Investment in bad standing and image - equipment happy, and so serious success (ie, regular contracts with hourly rates> 80 ¬ - not by tapping the shoulder polite friend!) Has, a major exception.
Regards
Krischan
Antwort von robbie:
More recently surprised me here, the increase s.Fotografen that with a bit of my self-confidence, of one day to the next in the television business can be a foothold.
Moreover, that None synonymous only in the slightest degree to convince it that it takes more than x years been photographing them. 20 people say forget it, only the Post says it still goes without any problems (from left to right now in this thread), and presents a few seconds later, questions like "I got me a micro Aldi bought, how do I connect this to the USB -- Male s.meiner Camera looks different. "
Slowly it is in the beginners forum (or probably in the professional forum, as a beginner in fact rarely sees any of the colleagues from the guild still rarely) a synonymous instructions for "From the photographer to professional TV in 3 days" to make, then you have to be here no longer durchärgern.
There synonymous then adjusts the thread on the SonyHD1000 inside.
Sry, just my 2 cents.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
It annoys me when some people take pictures at once and want to produce a film! Drehbücher to write and things to tell cinematically, to stage, what has that please to do with photography? What annoys you that?
Is it a film you have to be born "- thing?
If I, with a lot of experience in designing Stehbildbereich, begin me to work with video, so does that mean not that I am within 14 days of a 30-minute story on tape will have to me the station from the hand pull, or spot, because of me or Audi Nike anbetteln be.
But I have perhaps a little tool: Dealing with the illustrations, with colors and shapes, the ability to light situations to capture, modify or to redesign.
In keeping with the advice: "practicing the technique until Blindbeherrschen, tripod use is not continuous zoom, pan is not constant, the issue could have an end to worry and good, honest fellow to ask!" could the stills-clippers perhaps gently into the world of loose pictures hereinfinden.
If yes a couple of camera crews already succeeded.
Regards
Krischan
Antwort von tatita:
Can someone tell me whether you (in Austria) Konzesion or something in the direction needed for a single company in the film industry aufzumachen? Or can, in principle, just so everyone do? Lg
Antwort von KrischanDO:
Can someone tell me whether you (in Austria) Konzesion or something in the direction needed for a single company in the film industry aufzumachen? Or can, in principle, just so everyone do? Lg Hi,
there are in Austria provides a counterpart to the deutschan industry and trade chambers. The binding should be able to say something.
Regards
Christian
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) But I have perhaps a little tool: Dealing with the illustrations, with colors and shapes, the ability to light situations to capture, modify or re-design (...) The fights from nobody. Photographic equipment, which is synonymous as a cinematographer can use. Camera requires more. And certainly Directing. Directing and photography really have almost nothing to do with each other.
You need to write screenplays, you know in dramaturgy, know how to tell a story cinematically, working with actors, stage. Also you need journalistic basics in your area. This basic knowledge is acquired through a degree and not more than five-day seminars. I want you not letting the mood. Be not too confident, but learning with humility, if synonymous with a fixed target. The photographic craft is only a fraction of the Directing work.
Antwort von tatita:
Yes, of course, because I would be gone next week anyway. Did I just thought maybe someone here I can say something.
Antwort von KrischanDO:
... Directing and photography really have almost nothing to do with each other.
You need to write screenplays, you know in dramaturgy, know how to tell a story cinematically, working with actors, stage. ...
... I want you not letting the mood. Be not too confident, but learning with humility, if synonymous with a fixed target. The photographic craft is only a fraction of the Directing work. Logical. I am an absolute beginner video. My reaction to the proposal, but instead of image features to make video reports, it was firstly the reflex s.die my forehead to type, to oppress, and secondly, to clarify: "I do not think in film clips, I still think and see."
If I now report on the issues that I work alongside the studio practicing thinking, but I see more and more the advantage of pictures over and start to give me this present. The advantage of a film studies will be hard to catch up. Other hand: If I s.die Mostly quite snooty film design students think back and their
"We are
creators, and
you are small
Werbefotoärsche" - occurrence, this is a real incentive sporting ...
Up to my IT industries Interludes I had a photo studio with some good customers in the investment goods industry and mechanical engineering. Since I will not again. So Still Live studio for the basic revenue, Bildagentur photography for a little more basic and sales reports from interest.
And then came the sentence: The print print fewer reports, the Pressekram the shoot with text editors,
but all newspapers and broadcasters have video clips on the websites and there are more and more television channels, the 'between what the advertising blocks need.
I will not losrennen and buy an EX1, but first learn and with this crazy Kracher of Panasonic SDR-SW20 rumfummeln.
If I would choose, a Nikon D3 + optics or a HD cam to buy, I would, however, difficult to watch the video. :-)
The "real" must s.die videographers photographers accustomed newcomers, as many photographers s.die photographing text editors and snap photos of the catalog marketing clerk had become accustomed.
You can certainly learn from each other, eg light set and make accurate reports. On the trip through the videographers sites you can find some video so people who are synonymous photograph. As is often turns with horror from. Three-point lighting in the film, I feel already as aesthetic concern in stills, it is a disaster.
"You learn from the stupid" ;-)
Christian
Antwort von robbie:
Yes, of course, because I would be gone next week anyway. Did I just thought maybe someone here I can say something. Commerce in the respective region, Fachverband audiovisual and film industry.
And then only the correct recording format and you can try durchzustarten.
Which state are you then?
"You learn from the stupid" ;-)
Times after a search of your colleagues here in the forum, I think Brendan was good. From toot and bubbles no idea, but very cool thing to make TV documentaries.
Everyone gets to that part of the program between the advertising is so shit, and now synonymous already shaky as Youtube, but everyone just wants to get involved themselves.
Antwort von gunman:
[quote = "Bernd E."]
... Let your fingers like this! Either Video or Still Image ... Based on the same job, I agree, but you can certainly both services - a customer then takes this and the other one.
Hi,
I give thee vollkmmen right to have meant exactly synonymous.
Gunman
Antwort von B.DeKid:
More recently surprised me here, the increase s.Fotografen that with a bit of my self-confidence, of one day to the next in the television business can be a foothold.
....... I just so visual.
I think it is s.der digital technology.
As I started looking for Still Image and intressieren film, partly because I have 2 months to get me the money for the developments of 8 mm and DIA material via newspapers and mowing lawns to earn Opt.
Since I had very carefully about what theme I wanted to scan.
I painfully remember me s.die time of the first attempts Tamaron tele back. Where rabbits and birds so blurred in the pictures appeared, which makes it rather s.Andy Warhol remembered as s.ein Still Image.
I think that this is the reason for the increase in interest is, although in a Page is to be welcomed. But the incentives are synonymous for me with new techniques and ways of working abstrackte, of the mass market.
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@ Bernd
Sure FL is NEN bissel old, synonymous FD lenses are not caused more of the hit. But for the beginning you can Lenses good to learn and get work. What I am late in the event of a course would like to recommend.
If the money sits in a relaxed times then you can better after Lenses and after purchase.
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@ Powermac
The people today and certainly today with Money Still Image "art" show.
The more energy put into your pictures that you only have certain of "normal photography" can talk.
http://www.juliafullerton-batten.com/
http://www.augustbradley.com/
http://www.kevinthen.com/
Here's 3 participants of the Hasselblad Masters 2008 which clearly show where it matters Still image art goes. The Inzenierungen are normal with no more photographs to compare.
Today, the creative aspect more than ever, and without vernümpftigen building is not a "penny" to earn more.
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MfG
B. DeKid
PS. Unfortunately, I think of Julia Fullerton-Batten the "deer in the forest" picture is not what inspired me s.meisten.
But here are some other links of good pictures
http://www.hasselblad.com/masters/masters-winners-2008.aspx
Antwort von PowerMac:
There is, however, between a picture and a full-length feature film worlds. Such photography is perhaps scene image, a fact, light and Kadrage in a single setting. No interaction in the current picture, no drama. As a glaring example, I recommend 39.90!
Antwort von B.DeKid:
... As a glaring example, I recommend 39.90! What is it a movie? Link perhaps? Thank you.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... There is, however, between a picture and a full-length feature film worlds ... That's true, but I do accept that the least "I-do-now-synonymous-videos" photographers like s.abendfüllenden movies try: for small videos are the product requirements but not quite as high.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von PowerMac:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=DiyWOU0doLc
http://www.kino-zeit.de/filme/artikel/9280_3990--99-francs.html
Antwort von Kino:
... As a glaring example, I recommend 39.90!
What is it a movie? Link perhaps? Thank you. Bitte schön:
http://www.myspace.com/neununddreissigneunzig
Antwort von Markus:
@ TEGS and KrischanDO Let you not be discouraged! There are in this forum again and again people who believe that we need either a master's fallen from the sky - or should it be let directly.
It has been synonymous you newcomers from all sorts of professions, which have managed to grow. I think this knowledge and skills of photography for a very good and also useful basis.
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Sincerely,
by moderator
Antwort von PowerMac:
An extremely stupid insinuation, Markus. You should read the letter next to your 13.58 posts per day synonymous previously read through the threads. Mass instead of class!
Antwort von Markus:
Affected dogs are barking.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Thank you
Antwort von PowerMac:
Affected dogs are barking. Biting!
Antwort von Markus:
Affected dogs are barking.
Biting! After Herumgeflenne in your last post, it's not a very credible statement. If it is
again just a Selbstdarstellung should go, I will be future posts so just delete it.
So back and now relating to!
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Sincerely,
again as a presenter
Antwort von veejay:
Good atmosphere here.
As for the photographic background s.geht, which can not hurt:
for volunteer training with ARD and ZDF to the cameraman, the prior training as a photographer is almost always provided the alternative, I think now Ex, FOF, College of Optics and photo technology, design or photograph FH.
In this respect, the colleague as prospective cameraman or VJ already on the right track, synonymous if the objective is not yet in the next close.
Reports as a journalist synonymous with the corresponding rights, such as text, dramaturgy, synonymous with cutting, implement high quality, this is a nice job, but obviously synonymous learn it.
How else did the others get it?
In addition, the demands of customers synonymous clear exactly how the producers.
Many greetings
Antwort von WideScreen:
PowerMac probably right when he says, etc. Directing is an extremely important point, but the question is always what will turn jmd. Just because a ne da Camera buys, and wants to make money, it means he's not * NEN Blockbuster wants to turn, many are already with 50 euro für nen happy days:-pp
When I before its week at the Öffis was and with the editors had spoken, showed me the good woman, what it all day every day by mail and Mail arrives. Hundreds of suggestions and contributions on CD, VHS, Digibeta even, just so the grotto were bad, you already knew after 10 sec: Not broadcast. -> Standard letter: "We are sorry .... no money ... no time slot the next time .... maybe ...."
98% of the proposals go s.den sender back. And 2% is because if you thought that use it.
Today, where for very little money it is possible to make good pictures, believes all synonymous, the big money to make. But ne tolle Camera Calculator and a great body because of not enough. Gespühr and an idea for the "just interesting" are synonymous because of them. And happiness, the sender ever to be heard, and not in a ton of hiking. A hard way .... but it may be worthwhile.
* (Blockbuster is not automatically a name for good films)
Antwort von Basti27:
I think a good video or film equipment is always wrong or overstated. And that does not mean that the purchase of a prosumer cams or other Broatcast stuff sometime not worth or even to pay would be.
But this very expensive equipment does not equal to the fantastic results. Why do people always think, I buy me expensive Cam NEN including contracts, including cinematic skill and as a special offer available only 5 years of experience to do so.
Of course there are one or other job specific technical challenges that differ only with certain equipment can accomplish. But what gives it the good old camera rental? Will the client 4k, then lend me stop the Red and buy me not to be an ....
From Consumer Cams Now it can be very good material rausholen, the key is still the one who stands behind the camera. Since no change helps synonymous Lens Camera s.einer 5000 Euros ...
Regards
Antwort von Commanderjanke:
I can only agree with my speakers! A 5000 ¬ camera still no good photos and even write a bad story.
And who says you must be very good? if I have 75% of the typical wedding look what filmmakers as synonymous to rotate and still take money or will I get dizzy!
Here was already synonymous with a 35mm adapter ... how come? the companies or people who can afford a spot \ Imagefilm to finance the 35mm optics erfodret the synonymous and make appropriate offers staging is not always Anfangerkragenweite.
And it helps just one Shooting .. Shooting ... Shooting only experience brings a next there with lete the turn nei 4000 ¬ and Cam looks like Dad on the ¬ 700 MediaMarkt offer.
