Frage von Fr0stbeule:
Hallo erstmal ...
many users prefer HDV to AVCHD format before, why?
Thanks for your opinions ...
Antwort von Marco:
The fear of modernity ... :-D
Marco
Antwort von hannes:
BINGO!
Antwort von van vita:
Hallo erstmal ...
many users prefer HDV to AVCHD format before, why?
Thanks for your opinions ... Are these users suffering less addictive than AVCHD Cutter?
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Oh - a troll thread!
Where to play ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
many users prefer HDV to AVCHD format before, why?
Because the HDV camcorder of its controls are better?
Because AVCHD content but is harder to cut?
Because of the advanced AVCHD codec?
Choose what.
A comparison of the pros and cons of AVCHD vs. HDV, you'll find here:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4169
Antwort von WoWu:
AVC has very significant advantages ...
Perhaps the issue once on a factual basis to:
I've just synonymous in another thread pointed out, in the AVC after someone wanted to convert HDV:
So:
ACV is used to MPEG 2 encoding, the DCT with 8x8 pixel blocks, does a 4x4 pixel integrity and transformation can with 16-bit values with addition and with Bitshifting processes are implemented.
Due to the smaller blocks can be moving objects much better track. AVC has a significantly better calculation of motion estimation, with an interpolated estimate on 1 / 4 pixel basis.
In addition, AVC so-called reference images, resulting in a more accurate motion estimation contribute. Finally, efficient bidirectional estimated image content, synonymous as the B-frames known, much more frequently used.
A whole bunch of other really major differences are incorporated into the format.
Therefore, it is especially important in any codec to convert, based on the "old" DCT based grids.
In addition, should you look at the Intermediate Codec, which is now very quick to use every possible Softwarschmieden, watch very closely, because it makes absolutely no sense, the back wheel to rotate. But some NLE's implemented as a quick solution, which everything else is considered appropriate.
Above all, we see that only if the codec for further cascaded if necessary.
On the subject there are still a lot to say.
If interested in the topic accurately, synonymous here is my book recommendation:
http://www.lulu.com/content/1018079
Antwort von hannes:
> Furthermore, should you look at the Intermediate Codec, which is now very fast yet all sorts Softwarschmieden use, very accurate view ....
Have I done and am from Canopus HQ enthusiastic.
The use is exactly these "outdated" DCT Compression.
How can I be deceived (do)?
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
@ WoWu
In addition, AVC so-called reference images, resulting in a more accurate motion estimation contribute. That may be in the recording with the camera play a role.
That new generations of rendering more or less picture-quality loss can produce is generally known, but why should that even during the conversion of AVCHD to MPEG2-HD to be particularly bad?
Can you do that with videos / pictures show?
Antwort von lachaim:
AVCHD is MPEG4. MPEG4 delivers at the same bitrate better pictures than MPEG2 because of efficient compressed.
An AVCHD camcorder, one hour of video on a MiniDV tape would write, would have a better picture quality than an HDV camcorder.
Practically, however, it seems that not the same bitrate with better images, but that the bitrate is much lower, around as many shots on a hard disk or a memory card to cram.
In addition, the (still) worse cutting ability, and the fact that better-equipped than HDV camcorder devices are built.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bruno
... As I have said already is one of the strengths of the Refined Bewegungsprädiktion by the smaller macro blocks.
The disadvantage of the smaller block sizes Mazen has been given the dramatically increased number s.Bewegungsvektoren .. the course on computer performance negatively affected.
Überführst you to record in the coarser structure of the 8x8 blocks, of course, everything you reduzierst again .... This applies but it is synonymous to mtliche s ä tools that offers MPEG4.
I can only really advise against severely, a cascading sequence in this .... gan of the once Resolutionabgesehen, depending on which format you use.
@ Host
... that with the much more compressed ... Unfortunately an undue shortening of the reality. (See my remarks synonymous error relating to the protection on tape)
The statement is not correct. But that will be encoded more efficiently, but with a range of zus ä additional tools that will greatly contribute to the picture in different parameters is better.
One may not so represent reduced as low bitrate = more compression = bad Picture! This is a Denkstufe stopped too soon!
And as far as the possibility of cutting: This is just (bad) as HTV, because they are on the same principle, but differs in the GOP, but nothing changes .... s.Schnitt the GOP racism here and there only be dissolved before a frame accurate cut himself. At the beginning and end of the GOB, it is here as there is no problem.
@ Hannes
Of course, it is synonymous with an AVC DCT, because only the top concept. What is important is the difference in the tools that are used .... and which of the software.
The AVC technology uses a new 4 × 4 integer transform. The use of these new DCT is accurately described in the standard.
Another area relates to the process Bitzuweisungs quantization or bit-rate control is the key process in the system determines how the bits s.besten within the desired data can be used.
Now I do not know how your software works ... and what tools they used, but if you are satisfied with the picture quality are .... is there anything better!
I just wanted to suggest that software manufacturers in the quality of their products quite different and that it still may take a while, until the programs in all of the tools included.
Because it is the default but since 1996 there has been progressive companies have already tried time and already a large part of the work erledingt ... but not all ... I think as only partly s.die catastrophic processing of data protection in the Capture programs .... this is really part haarstreubend.
And in the forums will only drop-outs on gemeckert .....
Antwort von Meggs:
404ERR
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
@ wowu,
Überführst you to record in the coarser structure of the 8x8 blocks, of course, everything you reduzierst again .... This applies but it is synonymous to mtliche s ä tools that offers MPEG4.
I can only really advise against severely, a cascading sequence in this .... gan of the once Resolutionabgesehen, depending on which format you use. What suggestions you then as a video format before the playback on a HDTV?
What magnitude are we talking about in the transfer of AVCHD into an Intermediate AVI or MPEG2-HD format for a HD-DVD for example, a Promille area?
Antwort von Jan:
The HDV cameras in the same class are better equipped, we assume 7 and HC SR 7, as would be eg the Shutterwahl, manual Tonaussteuerung, color bars to mention. For other models, it is not much different zb. Canon HG 10 vs. HV 20th HG 10 missing SD recording, AV in and manually Tonaussteuerung.
What can the consumer program natively AVC cut? If you look at the test reports of Video Aktiv Digital and video to Magix 2008, Ulead 11 plus, Pinnacle 11 plus wirds seems quite awful. There
leaves the program in conjunction with AVC files, even the computer magazines cut off 2 core processor. Magix synonymous changed the files immediately, do not be processed AVC files, Ulead only works well if you use proxy data.
"Practically" is simply better at the moment HDV cut, at least for the SW Consumer prices.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
Meggen @ ...
... not, and this is precisely the advantage. A large part of the original bitrate of HDV is verknallt "8bit been for the error protection .... and much more .... s.kann in a PES and the fixation on an (almost) clean medium fast times disappear.
Among others are the advantages of the improved motion estimation, which many in HSV2 sosehr appreciated ... in even better ways, together with the benefits from the AVC HDV1 combined.
That's why I had said: Less Bandwidth heist picture is not worse. You can really only understand if you look in detail with the codec employed ....
@ Bruo
The format decision you have to detach from the codec.
The format, with which you want to occur after you lay in the ideal case at the time of recording notes .... My (and all our) favorite is still the EBU Recommendation: for now and today: 720p50 .... and for tomorrow or the day after 1080p50.
But here is the codec ... and, quite aside from that HDV 1080p50 not packed (because HDV is only one record format) is synonymous MPEG2, even in high profile not defined .... It will not work.
Who s.1080p50 than ever in the future would like to participate, is a qualified Codec not come around.
And we have now. (finally)
@ Jan
... what the cut, it is the shadow-boxing anyway ... Basically, you have this kind of files in either MPEG2 or MPEG4 not intersect. (Just Frame) Because each cut is not hard s.Anfang a GOB is not about. In this sense, the calculator just so busy, from the original codec the 25 or 50 images to make.
If you want to make any cut, or Aperture, or anything else, this is exclusively in a codec that is synonymous to 25/50 pictures in the timeline is.
And there is the crux of the matter .... I do not need a codec of the manufacturer's software "afloat" and makes a quick picture with building a good program pretends, but a codec that my material as possible by properly cascading sends.
Sure I would be delighted if the synonymous nor fast.
What I believe is that the time is ripe for hardware solutions that will make this job.
Today prozessorbasierten designs tend to difficulties, the Arithmetic Logic Units (ALU) from memory fast enough with data. An FPGA approach can perform specific tasks and all data values in a register reserved.
Fujitsu has the MB86H51 with a wonderful solution, we have with high probability in the near future video cards will be welcomed, which is then synonymous to allow access via HDMI.
You see, there are plenty of sites on the route to 1080p50 ... But then, if we want, we just need a few detours in Purchase take.
HDV is only with the greatest probability of a route which already behind us.
Antwort von hannes:
Thank you, Wolfgang,
Your thoughts and theories are certainly not light fare, but first thanks for the comments.
You deserve to be deepened to be!
For ordinary consumers, the entire advertising rubbish anyway and so difficult to have forums like this or by the synonymous namesake simply indispensable.
My problem remains, however, what requirements must I s.den LCD / video projector, so that the whole chain is conclusive?
Only when I know what I like can play, the rest of the chain is projected to be useful.
I think synonymous, 720P50 in our area is certainly the format of the future output via HDMI. But if it is present in AVCHD, but the problem is s.allen corners and ends.
I do not have a camera which can not edit it the software can not monitor / television it can play.
Remains only to wait, right?
(NEO it can, but still I could not test because my material is missing)
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
My (and all our) favorite is still the EBU Recommendation: for now and today: 720p50 I will watch me at p.31
Eins Festival HD. August ...
Antwort von lachaim:
Hannes ..
... that would be synonymous my recommendation .... I could here a whole list of unknown parameters that the effect of all are addressed .. Wait ... but it always comes just depends on how quickly it wants to participate and of course, whether one is a few thousands of redundancy has ... I woll't, I could say of me.
What a pity the only way I think is always in the forums, the things as "TEST" proposition, which is nothing other than a product are ... and of course as much uncertainty in the user generated ...
So I try with my elaborations slightly opposite to the effect. Although I can not replace extensive tests, but the "finger in the wound and put the participants slightly raised. If I succeeded, I would be delighted.
Greeting in the "Kohlepott"
Antwort von WoWu:
... Hannes came of me ..
... I forget 'me login ...
Antwort von Marco:
Wolfgang, I'm interested in your assessment of the intermediates. Yes, the subject is usually not this extreme compression requirements and can therefore place s.anderer advantages.
If I were a AVCHD - Video convert into an intermediate, whether DCT or wavelet-based, but it means that the first AVCHD best and is decoded after the decoding, as part of the AVCHD codec feasible, in the best possible quality available (ie the AVCHD file accordingly, but uncompressed). The Intermediate accesses this file and managed with their own weaknesses, but synonymous with their own strengths.
That this initial conversion of AVCHD to Intermediate to some losses, it is clear to me. But why should the loss of further cascading of the intermediates increase more than if the base is not AVCHD, but uncompressed YUV as would have been? Or my cascading with you that this is a constant change of codecs and would thus alternately AVCHD Intermediate and would use?
What would you think an optimal Intermediate for AVCHD?
Marco
Antwort von PowerMac:
Pro Res 422nd
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Marco ....
..... You see this quite right ... Once the software has all the tools to decode really great master, and then disband GOPS sensibly and in a separate codec to convert.
So far so good ...
Now you have to either transparent codec (subject to the definition of transparencies) a huge file, with which you yes in the long run you will not want to live, but only for the cut, because it just so you bucket "gestuffte" zeros.
For better is the picture is not ... because the previous codecs are destructive.
If the picture still looks better subjectively --- CAUTION --- then you have since any edge filter, it is usually in color, because the have nothing to do and just (illegally) to intervene Picture.
That seems nice, but can have adverse effects.
If you now your back off material want, you need to re-coding somewhere.
And that is the crux of the matter .... Now comes another, possibly synonymous destructive algorithm comes into play, "disappear" suddenly other elements ... and so is your Picture unwiderrufllich broken (or worse)
Therefore, it is just as important to focus with even more precise algorithms to employ in order of each step to know what causes it. Otherwise, the lively reductions juggling with a step into the darkness.
The quality of the codecs are unfortunately quite vendor-dependent ... art Apple users I am, I tend to either a JPEG codec, or oriented at the moment of ProRes422 really makes a good impression. The AIC would appear quite inappropriate.
But we should really be a couple of companies time to update their products ready to be developed before we judge .... That was always so and the market is pushing them now more than ever, once with anything for the customer s.Markt to appear.
Many have not even managed to MPEG2 algorithms. from HDV ready to bring sensible and should now come back with AVC ... But you really have to look even once, what you like in the whole chain .... to the finished product! s.besten really like it.
If you have something for broadcasters do, do not forget that on the transmission paths again codecs come into play ...
But, as I said .... I would leave as time and yet nothing at the moment .... übereilen Let us be fair with the manufacturers ....
Antwort von Marco:
Thanks for the info.
Marco
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
But you really have to look even once, what you like in the whole chain .... to the finished product! s.besten really like it. That is what we are doing so as part of our technical capabilities as a hobby videographers.
Antwort von hannes:
I am amazed at what the 1st Question in between has become:
A discussion, quite to my taste. (;-))
A big thank you to all those involved.
My Conclusion: Wait and watch closely next.
Let's see what track the train departs later.
Antwort von wolfgang:
In addition, should you look at the Intermediate Codec, which is now very quick to use every possible Softwarschmieden, watch very closely, because it makes absolutely no sense, the back wheel to rotate. But some NLE's implemented as a quick solution, which everything else is considered appropriate.
http://www.lulu.com/content/1018079 So the whole theory is good and beautiful - and I think it makes sense to do it yourself. However, even the AVCHD users today face the problem that he wants his material cut, the real-time performance in many systems but is clearly limited.
As far as I know of tests, coming in the Windows world is still the Canopus HQ codec and synonymous to the Cineform codec Intermedate gone quite well. Sure can not do well, what happened previously in the acquisition format is already lost - but they at least get the standard - and allow for more complex applications synonymous a good real-time preview.
Remains the current practice in the alternative, either to other codecs as acquisition format to go - DVC PRO HD is synonymous affordable yet available, but obviously more expensive and not a consumer format more, or but the native interface to set, and hope that the next hardware rapidly developed.
Incidentally, the above link works for me, at least not today.
Antwort von hannes:
The link actually works. Just try again.
But I would be interested to know whether the man synonymous Book can be ordered at bookstores. I agree on principle is not my data over the network, not the credit card data. And now accept the transfer times not. Shame on you!
Antwort von wolfgang:
So for me the skin of the link is not out - no idea why.
Antwort von PowerMac:
I look at the preview of the book inside and seen the same two errors when crossing read depth Schärfenuntiefe instead (but that is probably a matter of taste. Künstlerisch aims everything at a great Schärfenuntiefe and a small depth of field) and a Deppenapostroph. Also mediocre formulated: "(...) It is synonymous to the wider opportunities received (...)"
Write Wunderlich strength seems not to be.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Ärgere error did not you seen? Well then you need the book so good ...
(duck and away).
;)
Antwort von hannes:
> Write Wunderlich strength seems not to be.
for many here in the forum certainly not synonymous.
Mir's no preference should be as long as the content is correct.
Only one for me!
And who in my texts, finds errors, it must retain
Antwort von WoWu:
Hannes @ ..
... jau, the debate is really good ...
... The book will be synonymous in the trade that I wait only to IFBN number. And I actually another new approach pursued so that a combination of the Book and the Internet, because such technology books, if they are in commerce, no longer current. (up to standard works). But if you interested, PM me once, because I think if I describe the detail here, then get no more air PowerMac and we lose a valuable forum participants.
@ Wolfgang
... I give you as absolutely right .... and I read your practical tests with high attention. (Incidentally, the really good ... but I am not the only one who finds this.)
Only, I believe that the matter now has become so complex that it slightly theoretical background should have, not the thousands of others after the run and then eventually with a system in which a half-life of one year.
And the way the industry, I know from personal experience. Also, the strength of the "simplicity".
But I think all of us spend our time here in the forums spend trying to find out what we still want to know, not in the advertising industry einzusacken marsh.
And just as I try, my contribution.
@ PowerMac
... I know there is still a lot of work to do and as a physicist, I measured s.der perfection of writers and those whose profession it is, in grammar or punctuation in determined not only perfect, I am not a "Dieter Bohlen" it can afford to write his books for you. (What I'm not sad)
But it look sporty ... and consider the error as desired and simply see it as a contribution to the amusement of readers, hopefully from the merits of their benefit. Incidentally, I find synonymous, reads the dictionary is not really redundant.
But nothing for ungut ... Thanks for the hint, I will correct it, although I insist on the depth of confusion ... because there are still 3 other, common names and I have now decided that for once. (ungut is actually correct?)
Antwort von wolfgang:
Only, I believe that the matter now has become so complex that it slightly theoretical background should have, not the thousands of others after the run and then eventually with a system in which a half-life of one year.
And the way the industry, I know from personal experience. Also, the strength of the "simplicity".
But I think all of us spend our time here in the forums spend trying to find out what we still want to know, not in the advertising industry einzusacken marsh.
And just as I try, my contribution.
The strength of our forums today is that we quickly and unfiltered knowledge exchange. Of course, since much synonymous Mist and widespread errors - but what should be.
Opposite theory, I have less than nothing - there is nothing more valuable than a good theory. Synonymous And I have during my dissertation so scientifically worked perfectly. But as a technician, I am synonymous believe that a good theory a practical contribution to make and should be. For this reason I put my tests with possible rather strong relation to practice, so good it is holding.
And clearly, the industry wants us to buy flowers - are their sales. As someone who has been synonymous economists of a little understood, I understand only too well. Only: no clear benefit to buy the people do is very limited - that is holding it. Forums help with the show and be seen - if the benefit is lacking.
Antwort von WoWu:
... I can only stress and just this mixture (or heist it means? PowerMac, what do you think about this) is a forum so synonymous so interesting because without the ambitions of many would be the flood s.Umsetzungen synonymous not stemmbar ... and I think in this forum is the strength in the combination.
Greetings to Austria
Antwort von Marco:
"there is nothing more valuable than a good theory." Better than a good theory, I think the working practice. ;-)
Marco
Antwort von PowerMac:
Background of each practice is anything but a theory. Without reflection does not take action.
Antwort von Marco:
Is not that a bit like with the chicken and the egg? : D
Although I can no longer remember exactly, but I think when I was born, I did not reflect too long before I took the first breath.
Not quite as instinctive, but not necessarily synonymous always so very dissimilar, I am often at my job. And often, I believe the best results come when it is running, without that I previously Gosse had developed theories about what I would like to do.
This does not mean that it is always good if you do not know what you're doing.
Ok - am at this late hour no longer quite so serious about it ...
Marco
Antwort von wolfgang:
"there is nothing more valuable than a good theory."
Better than a good theory, I think the working practice. ;-)
Marco Actually, the sentence is incomplete. Complete it should read: "There is nothing more valuable than a good theory, from which practical action can be derived."
The working practice, I believe that today over long distances, where - but what if time does not work? Then a certain theory helps understanding but next.
And yes, the application of suitability of a theory is synonymous always s.der practice can be measured. Now times of total basic apart ...
Antwort von masTer23:
Meggen @ ...
... not, and this is precisely the advantage.
...
That's why I had said: Less Bandwidth heist picture is not worse. You can really only understand if you look in detail with the codec employed ....
@ WoWu
Sony Writes to the topic:
http://www.sony.at/view/ShowPressRelease.action?section=de_AT_Press&pressrelease=1179907714561&site=odw_de_AT
Quote:
Depending on the desired picture quality (XP, HQ, SP or LP mode) fit on an 8 GB Memory Stick PRO Duo for just over three hours of HD video (2 hours and 55 minutes in LP mode). But synonymous in the high-quality XP mode takes you on an 8 GB stick is still approximately one hour of video material
End quote
It is clear that
1. AVCHD has several levels of quality
and
2. The quality decreases with higher compression.
Antwort von Jan:
Theory and practice?
I must now Wolfgang Wunderlich times a compliment, I've synonymous JVC HD 100 to the report read. Also, the AVCHD theories agree, and were rarely presented so professionally.
The AVCHD has more potential, is undisputed. Unfortunately, the NLE developers with AVC is not quite right, or use any detours to the target to come - that is, unfortunately, today's practice.
Well this will change, with long experience in the area for the company and more powerful computers.
For data rates of Sony Should we always remain on the ground, the majority of customers will no difference between the first two levels of quality with. Spezis like Wolfgang Winne Sample videos can already be present, but often synonymous in the border area and with multiple magnification for the image error.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Jan
... Once very sincere thanks for the praise ... I hope so for my contribution's Forum can afford. I again assume the user with questions to learn what questions to the exact answer to an urgent need to improve my book and give you answers.
But I would be dishonest, I would not admit that I am pleased your praise.
@ Host
I hate these marketing statements of the company! They are almost all capable of in the garbage to be taken!
The correct statement would have been:
Fictitious: "We have a chip on the system changed their chips when they were a bit bigger, a deeper grip in the pockets of the customers would.
Therefore we decided that the customers something cheap-shaped. Because we know that our customers do not know so much and have not really distinguish between Picture and quality, we have all the advantages of the new encoding system, in favor of a high maturity. We, (the manufacturer) are telling us, that's enough for the "stupid" customers, and anyway only the miserable quality PAL accustomed. Even the bad pictures, it is still a super HD Watch ... and thus we make him happy. "
--------
That would actually stand there. because, as I said in all the observations have been reported previously ... It is really good! Tools that are either used or not.
There are all MPEG systems in addition of course, different profiles and levels, from which the manufacturer can choose. For MPEG2 was once even provided the so-called "grace full degradation", where what a dynamic use of the level would have allowed ... but it was like with the NLE manufacturers ... then there were the set-top boxes Manufacturer, just quickly on what the market wanted ... and afterwards had to determine that a more progressive no longer backwards compatible would be around 1 million in the market of existing boxes.
You look so ..... such an issue should be openly and transparently discussed and above all ...
Item 1
Never believe the marketing people .... they have no idea, nor an interest in the client properly informed ...
Item 2 believe only very rarely test reports .... that there are now many Gündem.
Item 3 Assess the quality is always of top to bottom. ... to know what "top" is, you must always understand what the system really can be .... and that you get only from the theory. Otherwise, do you think is always what you're looking for the best and the concept is so-as -
But again, all thanks to me so patiently with their questions have edited .... I have learned, what questions are important in the book to answer .... synonymous and hope my next post in this forum to be able to afford ... because the technology does not stand still.
Antwort von WoWu:
--- Oh, incidentally, so that no misunderstanding .... with the tests I do not explicitly Wolfgang W's .... they are really good and sound, I mean specifically the colorful magazines and especially the synonymous (Forum editorial apology) are often cruel recommendations of the editors.
Nothing for ungut ... the forum is so good, if somewhat critical of the recommendations would be selected.
Antwort von PowerMac:
WoWu, slowly, there will be little paranoid ...
Global players are nunmal not the Salvation Army. Altogether there are still very little money for a picture, which is sufficient for television.
Antwort von WoWu:
thanks for the comment, I did read it carefully.
Antwort von hannes:
> Overall, there are still very little money for a picture, which is sufficient for television.
then you consider that most television are set incorrectly, you have certainly right.
Typically Ruhr-Pot:
"Do you know the difference between 'nem Mercedes and' nem cowpat?
No?
You have to put it out "
Antwort von Jörg:
Powermac man,
zerquatsch now synonymous but not yet this story.
Since coming here since long time, something essential to the board, as now do not play ne draus private feud.
Write on a piece of paper ....
Antwort von wolfgang:
Theory and practice?
I must now Wolfgang Wunderlich times a compliment, I've synonymous JVC HD 100 to the report read. Jan, welchesn Report HD100 do you?
Antwort von wolfgang:
Theory and practice?
I must now Wolfgang Wunderlich times a compliment, I've synonymous JVC HD 100 to the report read. Jan, welchesn Report HD100 do you?
Antwort von PowerMac:
Powermac man,
zerquatsch now synonymous but not yet this story.
Since coming here since long time, something essential to the board, as now do not play ne draus private feud.
Write on a piece of paper .... Yeah, I do not need. Was just very emotional and polemical, the part of WoWu. That with the "stupid customers" is a stupid assumption s.die developers. The world is not so bad for the "customers", as it is presented here. There have been some great innovations in recent years and is synonymous the image quality has increased significantly. It may be that sometimes innovations from a business point of view held back or be slimmed down, but ultimately are responsible buyer synonymous properly inform Purchase and bad in front of cameras to avoid (such as the HD100;)). Overall, one can achieve almost anything with the current cameras. The Manufacturer, the framework and thus have a new form of democracy. One should therefore not be exaggerated rant about the market.
Antwort von wolfgang:
True soo bad, the world is not for the customer, there are very nice devices. But especially in the small AVCHD devices, you can see how strong is slimmed down - especially s.Camcordergehäuse.
I have times the book ordered - after the link finally worked. Strange Verlag, which prints the first book appears, and then it comes from Spain ....
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Strange Verlag, which prints the book seems erst ... How strange it is not: This "book-on-demand" principle works for many years.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Na is not so bad - I knew it yet.
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello s.alle ..
.. Once s.alle very sincere thanks for the lively discussion ...
PowerMac @ ... clearly I have the quote-slightly exaggerated to make things vividly to make ... Page on the other, I know the "sayings" from the development departments of their own opinion .... synonymous and especially the considerations, the only ... and I can not emphasize enough, with only the company's fund-raising to do.
And thus the customer is really poor turn as synonymous if the images already ... I admit that yes, looks pretty impressive, we need to have many pitfalls but no longer the case.
(I think because synonymous s.die prevention tactics of some companies) ...
So s.die, where the exaggeration was too fierce .. I have learned.
@ Wolfgang
.... jau, the Book on Demand is not a new principle, but has the advantage that it is not, as in the normal distribution as the pressure in the dusty shops but can be constantly updated ..... Moreover, such a technique book for virtually no publishing interesting, because the requirements are too low and they do not earn money.
On the other Page s.Markt there is only "standard ham", which often s.den current problems will pass. Therefore, I would try to make a "living concept" and to realize all the changes and new topics for the reader well on the web page of the book published. -Something like an update service because there are still many more incredibly interesting topics. In addition, I would, just as I do here, topics that are of general interest. Whether all this will succeed? I know it is not synonymous ... But if I did not try, I will never know ....
Reich will be synonymous with books, not incidentally, if you do not Dieter Bohlen heist .... and whether this would be an attractive prospect, I do not know ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
Na is a permanent revision synonymous quite work - in practice we are so the thing is easier to work on, but certainly not every day!
Gibts when the publisher actually a registration? And Book remains a tolerable margin of the author?
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
Here again is the Auberge TV - HD 100 Practice Test:
Antwort von wolfgang:
Yes thanks, I've now found the link - and then reminded me that we earlier times had. Thanks in any event, Jan.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Wolfgang
... there is certainly no reason to make up for daily data, although the BoD would be possible to ..... (and this is the fascinating s.einem such a concept), but I think this is because the forums, because this brand new course, information can flow.
Indicates a need, however, once things thoroughly to penetrate, this is the approach, because graphics need to be made, pictures and synonymous formulas must be declared. There is a written record better.
I would also very much in the next cinematography (HDTV) which, perhaps an extra book, because it is not every interested and if you highlight all the points really wants, fairly broad. So you see, a lot of work.
... I can understand your term "registration" is not properly classified ... but the publishers deserve synonymous only if a book is sold .... but of course once again the lion's share.
As I said, well, one is not, a few euros per stay Book depend on the author ... but it is now, even if you have a book with little content to write, it will be a bestseller ... You put work into it but there are few, the "knowledge" is interested.
This is slightly how with the forums .... everyone here, like you, time invested, is not the wage earners ... but it is good, that they exist.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) But it is now, even if you have a book with little content to write, it will be a bestseller ... You put work into it but there are few, the "knowledge" is interested. (...) Ouch, again ne Prejudice round today! Bestsellers almost always have little content. And a book with little content becomes bestseller.
The logical implication of these false allegations are almost even funnier than the allegations themselves Please less of it. This sometimes-outrageous-nonsense diskreditierst you totally. It seem you are technically one of the best in the forum to be.
Antwort von WoWu:
... PowerMac hello ....
... I am in good company when Cicero list takes as a benchmark .. probably differ but our reading ... but I think as a matter belongs in the gossip column, coffee .. and the will of me not operated.
I'm sorry .... this discussion you need to carry with you alone ... Joerg said as yet so splendid ... "write it auf'n labels.
Antwort von PowerMac:
I do not want to talk about literature, but you realize that you are in good contributions sometimes prejudices raushaust the formal nonsense, or at least blank. You wanted to learn the language. Then synonymous criticism. There is a difference between your personal opinion ( "I believe," "my opinion") and that which you as a knowledge anpreist but in reality is an unproven assertion ( "it is now").
Antwort von Leo123:
Roland, what you now have gone the liver?
Antwort von jazzy_d:
and when can we do with "good" and AVCHD native cut opportunities in the popular NLE with a good "play" or the final product without codec umcodierungs orgies reckon?
times to return to the topic to come back
Antwort von WoWu:
Hi jazzy d
.... Now if I never say I hear the cry again, up to you to Lucerne resonates ...
But with the current CPU architectures, the first times nothing.
I build as more of a hardware solution, perhaps with the Fujitsu MB86H51, in the form of a card, if at all.
Therefore, it would be just as good, would in time, namely now a good time to seek workflow.
(Are you still in Lucerne Ville Sound Studio by Rene Zingg?)
Antwort von jazzy_d:
schreeeeeei :-)
I was not yet entirely satisfied with my HC3 and wmv-hd with 720p50
na but then someone should quickly begin this lsi of fujitsu to construction. it sounds just great with fujitsu s.was can.
According to google there soundville.ch with rené Zingg in management. I kenn's not. myself am not from lucerne
Antwort von wolfgang:
@ Jazzy,
Today's NLEs learn until just smartrendern for HDV material for AVCHD can not even view the output to AVCHD (then let smart rendering). On smartrendern of AVCHD we will have to wait for some versions.
And I see no reason why the smartrendern not synonymous with AVCHD should go sometime?
wmv-hd as 50p is not a bad choice, but to me is the computing time is too long. Because I give my HDV material rather than the same from 1080 50i, and the games of a suitable hardware player (SC200, TViX, Xoro).
