Frage von Nikki-Lauda:
So the following: I need this year for my thesis Baccalaureate. I wanted to be in the form of a report made. I have the opportunity through various contacts, with an ADAC - Rescue helicopter missions to fly. I need a good camera, so synonymous with the hectic and fast movements of good pictures. I thought schonmal s.die SonyHDR-FX1 ... How is so? What do you think? (Maximum 2500 ¬ price (must not be new ebay is ok)
Antwort von JMitch:
The graduates heutztage simply have too much money ... ;)
If you do not have much value to put HDV is a good second-hand computer from the price / performance ratio is currently much better. Also did you due to the lower compression Bewegungsauflössung ne better. Wenns ne HDV to be, I would not soo expensive once owned, because you're not in the helicopter will have the time großartig manual adjustments to make and therefore wenns car runs like ne kannste Cam smaller (eg HDR-HC1)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Feature ... ... good camera, so synonymous with the hectic and fast movements of good pictures ... price Maximum 2500 ¬ SonyVX2000/2100 + Wide Converter
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
The problem is the Camera synonymous still must look professional, I will not as a tourist, but even across professionally.
Do you, therefore, the SonyHDR-FX1 inappropriate? Because of the many manual settings. The helicopter is synonymous nor bad light ... So pictures are very difficult Bedigungen.
I have recently completed a JVC GR-PD1e purchased but is totally shit. And I do not want to be disappointed again. And price of her ... SonyVX2100 is almost the same price with the FX1 at ebay.
Do you have arguments that could convince me?
Thanks for your help!
Antwort von JMitch:
Against the FX1 spicht nothing. Is ne super Cam. Only for your rights and opportunities is the Cam just a bit big so useless and expensive.
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
It sounds strange but maybe the bigger the better for me.
As I said it should not stop just like a Touristencam look, but after a proper television. The JVC GR-PD1 is synonymous to me was still too small ...
Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:
Well, but then take my JVC GY DV5000, which I "offer" to sell.
Greeting
KDS
Antwort von Bernd E.:
As I said it should not stop just like a Touristencam look, but after a real TV ... I could think of synonymous television reportage shots in an extremely narrow rescue helicopter is not necessarily the largest Beta SP Camera brings, but rather to the devices in the video journalism format sets: SonyZ1/FX1, SonyPD170/VX2100 or Panasonic DVX100 for example . Even if you turn with such cameras, you'll often asked "Come to me now Färnsähn?" as you'd like ;-) all maybe useful anyway larger cameras should blow your price range.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
Yes the SonyFX1 was synonymous my first thought. But because the good in automatic mode? Has anyone experience with this?
Antwort von JMitch:
HDV footage in turbulent systems (car / boat / plane)
In my experience, are not so trivial as cameras with sd.
ie. you should think about stabilizations.
but there is bsp. it goes:
http://www.cocoakinderreporter.de/
gruß cj
Antwort von JMitch:
Yes the SonyFX1 was synonymous my first thought. But because the good in automatic mode? Has anyone experience with this? In automatic mode is se is not significantly better than the HC1, I can say. The automatic mode of HC1, however, is very good.
Antwort von JMitch:
You should be synonymous times you thought about making the sound. Or do you want only images and a "quasi" silent film shoot? Especially in situations such as Heli, you need to get proper Ansteckmics and transmitter / receiver.
The camera is rather secondary - many good pictures .... It is mostly eh s.dem that they served!
Just experiment with its DSR PD 150/170 plane and the peripheral right (Replacement Batteries little head lights, microphones, Adapters (Nato FAA or to the headset, etc.)
You have not given you just a simple theme rausgepickt! Even TV Stations are working in such a situation with several teams and fixed cameras in the Heli (SonyXC 999, Team s.Boden, team n the accident site that the helicopter when starting / landing shows)
Antwort von JMitch:
... and let's not forget wide-angle adapter!
You see, all the ordinary price is beyond the periphery of the CAM alone ..... So you just not such good as pd CAM 150, or PD 10, DX NV 1 (would be my choice due to size).
Even if you only rent the accessories that quickly s.einige goes one hundred Euros!
Antwort von wolfgang:
Hmm, sometimes from my own experience: the FX1 is in automatic mode is already very good, the controls are synonymous very useful (you can use semi-automatic synonymous). Putting on the FX1 nor an external Micro drauf, and even uses a shoulder stand, one has been a big part zielmliche ahead - ask children to an already covered, whether for a broadcaster is filming ...
Antwort von JMitch:
Hello Wolgang @
... fair enough what you write, ... only the questioner wants to rescue helicopter in the filming!
Have you ever as a guest in the EC 135 with the patient, ambulance, and Rettungsassi pilot sat? I did. Since about my DSR PD 10 is too big already!
;-)
Antwort von Frank B.:
It is so that a camera just for a Project buys. Even if the project "rescue helicopter" or as synonymous always s.steht up now, it must not be forced to hire on. determine future projects. Personally, I would, therefore, and in my subjective view of DV equipment advise. The FX 1 use myself and am so in image quality and handling are very satisfied. These days I worked for a smaller project for a primary school once again filmed in DV mode. They then only outdated eh Television and VHS VCR. I am surprised how good the picture quality, although I have a lot of negative things about the run-up to the DV mode the FX 1 have read. DV is therefore synonymous. If necessary, you can synonymous Downkonvertieren HDV recording in DV. Which format Nikki Lauda, now ultimately responsible for his helicopter uses recordings remains with the FX 1 alone it themselves. With an HDV camera, it may just need to make synonymous DV gehts reversed and it can not happen, that he had with a DV camera in 1-2 years on the hose is. It is not just 2500 euros so.
Frank
Antwort von JMitch:
@ Frank
Because I give you full rights. I wanted to be with my notes on other aspects of attention and expense.
In addition, the possible rotation of the helicopter probably a unique opportunity. And if this due to lack of peripheral goes wrong, he is probably annoyed forever.
I do not know what financial scope of the questioner, but he has his camera limit at 2500 ¬. And I think the periphery is then again at 1500 ¬ .....
Perhaps it would be simply synonymous useful for the Project "Helicopter" is simply the "smaller Cam" for rent.
I would make it so, if I was not the right material in my company would have anyway.
Incidentally, I am the user camtv (krieg mich net just logged in) § U /$/&%))&§"$&// again!
Antwort von camtv:
It sounds strange but maybe the bigger the better for me.
As I said it should not stop just like a Touristencam look, but after a proper television. The JVC GR-PD1 is synonymous to me was still too small ... Will you now make a good documentary, or just "profimässig" look like?
Antwort von Frank B.:
I agree that the accessories should not be overlooked. However, one needs the other for synonymous camcorder. (Shoulder-) Tripod, Batteries, external Micro, Headphones, pole-and possibly other filter, wide angle lens is my standard. With a little skill but you can save some synonymous, so that one can not necessarily be on the Euro 1500 has come. In all cases, in confined spaces (helicopters) a wide-angle lens is due, although, for example, the FX 1 has a large Wide Anglebedient. That is certainly the largest chunk, which is swallowed. 400 Euro should be at about 1 for FX for books. The original Sony is even more expensive. Also, the filter should be slightly more expensive than the standard DV - camcorder alone through the larger filter thread of the FX 1 (72mm). The further above accessories will not take much in comparison to accessories such as an VX 2100 or XM 2nd My Complete accessories for the FX 1 ('ve still not wide angle) amounts to approximately 500 euros, certainly synonymous, because I have some very cheap at Ebay could procure. One part was already synonymous of the previous camcorders available (in the $ 500 already included). A shoulder brace, I have even built.
So Conclusion: accessories should never be neglected, but with a little skill can be relatively inexpensive accessories to come. accessories you need more, no preference with what camera you filmed.
Frank
Antwort von camtv:
@ Frank
Absolutely right!
But please see my last posting!
I think it was superfluous to the head to break ..... ;-)
About the sound on the film, accessories, costs and problems in the helicopter, I just think we think after. lol
Because someone wants to "cameraman" game.
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
Thank you in advance for your help! So a good micro and Winschutz I know, just as light is all there. This video on the website whose link I get of you have made me pretty confident to me are the shots from the helicopter, very good. And the next project of mine is a report about a traffic pilot for Thomas Cook (Belgium), which I one day may accompany. (In the cockpit and s.Flugzeug)
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
It sounds strange but maybe the bigger the better for me.
As I said it should not stop just like a Touristencam look, but after a proper television. The JVC GR-PD1 is synonymous to me was still too small ...
Will you now make a good documentary, or just "profimässig" look like? So both. Because I think if I was with its normal small Camera arrive then let me do not fly. That should have what look like. And the bigger the more stable and therefore more manageable or less wiggle?
Antwort von camtv:
So I think rather that you get with its huge can not fly!
Because it is damn close!
And if you Adapters Sound / Intercom need ... mail me, we have here in the company to lend. Approved by the Federal Aviation.
Otherwise you will not understand the Heli!
LG René
Antwort von camtv:
Why do you always afraid of a "wobbling "????
The helicopter flies totally quiet!
And when shooting in a moving object if wobbles, then anyway it all - including the cameraman.
In this case (ie in the car, helicopter) is the stabilizer off - producing the only other crap! This is even in every manual!
Also do you want but the dynamics of the flight across? or?
Do not, however, problems are no where!
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
How much is an adapter? The Heli is inserted or plane so that the Funkferkehr hear?
So when the Airbus A320 cockpit is actually quite spacious, a friend of me is pilot for the airline that is no problem.
Antwort von camtv:
The costs you nothing. You can borrow it from us (not rent), do so Abi Project. ;-)
The adapter is a 6.3mm jack (something else), the freedom to Intecom AUX out (s.Flugfunkgerät) is inserted. He goes through a small transformer / DI boxes on either jack or XLR (transformer is due to the different levels necessary)
Thus you have the sound of the Intercoms (Kopförer / Micro) from the helicopter on your Cam. You hear the conversations of people in the helicopter. Radio tend not to because the radio, the pilot usually done alone, while Intercoms are off (button s.Knüppel) - the patient and the emergency doctor interested in radio not really.
What you need to know in advance but, if the intercom is in NATO or Heli FAA standard ... otherwise you have a polarity ..... nothing happens - it just comes nix.
We have the parts, because I myself am a pilot and about 6 years, the SAT 1 Newscopter have operated.
Antwort von camtv:
In the A320 you will not need as it goes quiet.
While you are in the helicopter itself, but a headset you wear ... otherwise you will be because of the noise can understand nothing!
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
Wow because I've found the right:)
So I know not whether NATO or the Faa is Nato is nich ich glaub nich Luftwaffe the Adac Nato has more Faa. Also for my project with the passenger aircraft would be very good. Because there could be synonymous overhear the traffic that would be interesting ...
Antwort von camtv:
So if the ADAC, he FAA standard. DRF synonymous. For Army and Bundesgrenzschutz (the orange), you have NATO standard.
With the radio traffic, I would be careful. The radio is radio or flight BOS - the audience you can not listen anyway, because as synonymous names of patients mentioned (possibly in the cut "cheep").
But what is important for you, are the conversations among the crew. I think at least.
If you need further Hielfe:
camtv (ät) arcor.de
Antwort von camtv:
Hielfe naturally without (e)! ;-))))))
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
So it's me in the ADAC helicopter only to the talks themselves, the Airbus of Thomas Cook, I see it as the radio communications between tower and pilots, I think you should listen to but is not it? The Airbus can agree among themselves with yes are normal MicroStation.
Antwort von camtv:
The radio in the Airbus is not critical. But do you get it just about synonymous with adapter. In normal flight, the radio from the device to your CAM with the ambient noise is too quiet - in the country and Start .- or CVFR and IFR operations, the pilots synonymous ;-( a headset on so you need to get your signal .... .
Mail me at ... and you can call your questions are synonymous ... is easier than ever to post here.
Antwort von JMitch:
incidentally, a question:
do you have experience with film?
and:
because the flights you have to film it is relations but
probably the equipment, or no preference?
ie. the captain is your uncle or something and has invited you to
and surely will not say:
Here comes my nephew from watching TV .....
gruß cj
Antwort von SammyGray:
I would have a SonyPD 150 PD (professional version of the Vx2000) with professional WW nem da.
Just reported: info@ttc-tv.de
Lg Sammy
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
incidentally, a question:
do you have experience with film?
and:
because the flights you have to film it is relations but
probably the equipment, or no preference?
ie. the captain is your uncle or something and has invited you to
and surely will not say:
Here comes my nephew from watching TV .....
gruß cj I have already on several film projects s.unserer school involved in the last times I have with a Panasonic AG-DVX100 worked, which was quite ok. The pilot of Thomas Cook is a good friend of my father, I only know of the volatile and because of the professionalism that is due to the ADAC, because the fact is almost impossible to film there and by the relationship, the grade times, and this or plug is over 8 or so. There are always synonymous with pilots and etc., or in rescue operations, the members of the Camera and yes because it already looks better from a professional to have ne ne tourists instead of the camera.
Antwort von camtv:
@ Sammy
ne dsr PD 150 is always "hobby" not professional!
And there are not synonymous "Profi WW" adapter!
Good Objetive So with WW 5.3 - Focal it cost 6 times more loosely around the 25000th - ¬
Even if we consider the things on TV, then only in situations where nothing else does. And you can see synonymous s.Picture.
Video journalism is actually a March and has not enforced ....
;-))))
Antwort von JMitch:
I have already on several film projects s.unserer school involved in the last times I have with a Panasonic AG-DVX100 worked, which was quite ok. The pilot of Thomas Cook is a good friend of my father, I only know of the volatile and because of the professionalism that is due to the ADAC, because the fact is almost impossible to film there and by the relationship, the grade times, and this or plug is over 8 or so. There are always synonymous with pilots and etc., or in rescue operations, the members of the Camera and yes because it already looks better from a professional to have ne ne tourists instead of the camera. ok, then a lot of success.
Perhaps some thought beforehand to make content ...
no splatter movie (because of the personality right ect.)
gruß cj
ps ... and the DVX100 is a great cam.
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
Well the Panasonic is a bit outdated and still cost as much as ne SonyFX1 new (ebay)
Antwort von camtv:
www.teltec.de
www.pictureland.de
because there is something Pana DVX günsteiger than 100 on ebay
... who is buying on ebay because cameras?
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
I ^ ^ So the FX1 is at least ¬ 1000 cheaper on ebay than in Internet Stores
Antwort von Frank B.:
I ^ ^ So the FX1 is at least ¬ 1000 cheaper on ebay than in Internet Stores I doubt it strongly. I have my last December for 2700, - Euro with an Internet mailers purchased. The prices today (after the tax increase, o) are located at approximately 2750, - up to 2800 euros. I would be really surprised if Ebay one for 1800, - Eus would go away. Currently I see only one and the stands about 2 days before the auction end at around 1000 euros. It is also needed.
Frank
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
Can you give me for a couple of Internet addresses, where the FX 1 I can get cheap, because the left side of camtv is not available.
Thank you
Antwort von Frank B.:
http://www.teralumix.de/shop/product_info.php?&products_id=515
http://www.1adigital.de/product_info.php?products_id=314
http://www.focusline.info/product_info.php?products_id=314
I would like to point out that I have not given the dealer a recommendation tribute. These are 3 random on a price comparison site found manufacturer. About the quality of the dealer, I can say nothing.
Frank
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... at least, the FX1 1000 ¬ cheaper on ebay than in Internet Stores If that is true, can the ebay offer little serious. Hast du mal a link there?
Can you give me for a couple of Internet addresses, where the FX 1 I can get cheap As you can every price search engine such as www.idealo.de help.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
So with the FX1, which is ¬ 1000 on ebay cheaper than amazon!
So Amazon is, I think 3500 ¬ and on ebay for 2500 ¬.
So no 1800 ¬ as someone mentioned above!
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Sony-HDR-FX1E-FX1-PAL-HD-Camera-neu-1j-garantie_W0QQitemZ200124095018QQihZ010QQcategoryZ28899QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I think that this is serious but is not it?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Amazon is, I think 3500 ¬ and on ebay for 2500 ¬. Amazon? Then I clear your account! Whenever I was looking for any product, was on Amazon's more expensive than other online shops ...
Researching a look - as recommended - about Idealo price or any other search engine, and you'll find that the street price of the FX1 in online commerce today is 2800 Euro.
The ebay offer for Euro 2700 may well be serious, but I would be the price difference is too small for the business on the detour via ebay, France and Belgium to make.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
I do not think so, yes synonymous because I come from Belgium ^ ^
Perhaps it is indeed very close to my then ichs personally go fetch. I live s.der German-Belgian border near Aachen Of!
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... then you can go pick ichs personally. Good, then only remains to see you about the warranty conditions to inquire, since it is probably a gray that is not on the official Sony importer has been introduced. Not that there are problems later, when a defect occurs.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
At Canon, I was told the goods from the EU always full warranty included. The problem would be only for imports from the USA / Asia and Co.
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
I've searched and searched an can not find a Panasonic AG-DVX100AE or BE. Can be used synonymous. Do you know where it gets?
In a shop you have us a Panasonic DVC15 or DVC60 is offered for 1500 ¬ and they told us that the same would only be in the other case. What say you?
Antwort von Jan:
Well, AG DVC 60 is an old aged beginner shoulder mounted camcorder with old Mini 1 / 4 "CCDs. Actually, very little with the AG DVX 100 BE compare, not only because of the 3x 1 / 3" IT CCDs and the 25 P function (not to be compared with the DVC 60 25 fps function).
It should be well over if you do not somehow have his third save money together, because in order for about 4600 ¬ a HD HVX 200 Camera ala zuzulegen, the current DVX 100 BE but determined costs about 3000 ¬ or?
So much money for an obsolete technology soon, maybe you need to know.
VG
Jan
Antwort von and12wo:
hello jan,
have you actually seen many shots freehand
with your FX7 made and what are your experiences
Compared to the pd170?
gruß cj
Antwort von Jerzu:
Is the AG DVC 60 on still? Have only one place in America, but unfortunately only NTSC recording.
Antwort von Pianist:
I have the opportunity through various contacts, with an ADAC - Rescue helicopter missions to fly. I want you so reluctant to slow down, but I recommend that you look for your film to another topic vornimmst. A film about air only works if you have the opportunity, with a second helicopter flying parallel to, because when you clean Mitflug not get all the necessary shots. Second problem: You can never be at the helicopter landing s.der rescue filming, because he simply is too fast and you never know where the next deployment goes. How can you have a landing only s.Heimatstützpunkt record. Third problem: A BO 105 or EC 135 is extremely close. Therefore, it is not possible during the flight to make sound recordings, and certainly not if the team is completely s.Bord. There is definitely no place for someone with Camera, no preference how big or small that is.
Do you know the movie "Iron Angel" by Thomas Schadt? It is then a lot mitgeflogen the people and has a wireless inconspicuous missed. However, it was a BK 117, there is a little more space. And part was a second helicopter in service. Unfortunately the whole film is full of fractures, because it is mostly the outdoor scenes were missing. So pilot lands inside of "hard cut to" engine is off, running to the doctor patient ". And is really something totally stupid.
The CH-53 pilots of the Army I have camera with a finger s.einer microphone Angel worked and just back to the front of the cockpit and checked on a monitor, which showed very good shots. In an EC 135 maximum, I could imagine finger cameras s.den different places with suction cups to attach it all to multiple recorders record, not even behind the mitzufliegen and evaluate. There still remains the problem, no pictures of the rescue to have.
Tip of me: Do something about your local fire department. Since you have many more opportunities, one after another the necessary images to rotate. And because you can tinker a lot, for example, allow the people once again individually to the vehicle and climb back down, the blinds slide back up the material and so rausnehmen next. Fast films are created by cutting a lot, and for this you need lots of small details of individual recordings.
Matthias
Antwort von camtv:
@ pianist
Did you right!
Antwort von camtv:
@ pianist
The second helicopter with Gyrocam when he can hire.
Antwort von Jan:
hello jan,
have you actually seen many shots freehand
with your FX7 made and what are your experiences
Compared to the pd170?
gruß cj Freehand shots I avoid if at all possible, although film colleagues said to me it is my strength - with an H / DV Camera Tripod without keeping quiet.
I am always a slow halt Tripod with, if synonymous s.and to a Small ala Velbon DV 7000th Good stage in the trenches do not go - there you just 5-10 seconds per the scene quietly and keep to trouble.
From the Operator from freehand I always find the FX 7 Improved, and the sharpness of the zoom function a lot more precise and direct (synonymous if I the only one of the Slashcam'm so provides), the manual focusieren I Scharf Peaking adjustment assistance - which has a PD 170 now do not.
Sometimes I wish my shoulder, but really a camera ...
Yes I think the DVC 60 is dead, Panasonic Broadcast has so synonymous rausgenommen from the line-up.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Nikki-Lauda:
So what do you think of the AG-DVC 15? The man has me for 1500 ¬ offered? Is just as well as Ag-DVX100?
Antwort von Jan:
This is so even older .....
Here you can see the DVC 60 and the DVX 100 nor compare times - unfortunately only in English - because Germany's Broadcast Panasonic DVC 60 from the program has taken.
AG DVC 60 AG DVX 100 B The AG DVC 60 were of Leini described here:
