Frage von Ledwig:
Hello,
I want to buy me a camera, and although one of the following:
1) JVC GZ-MG505EX
2) Panasonic NV-GS300EG-S
Important criteria / questions are:
Can the camera record razor sharp, if it takes in Purchase, that the intake is less time for it?
Picks up the camera, the noise of the HD / the band?
A microphone input MUST be in there!
If the camera is (I think in both cases, the case) a threaded ring, for other Lenses?
If the hard drive technology matured in camcorders? (Because I tend to ehr HD recorder, simply Praktibilitäts reasons)
If both cameras, the Standarkt mounting thread?
Is it worth the extra cost of approximately ¬ 300 for the JVC camera in Comparison to the Panasonic?
More strikes me not just one, but it would be great if someone could answer my questions and could suggest perhaps synonymous alternatives!
Antwort von Markus:
Hello,
hard drive to MiniDV? - This question will be answered of the local users, no doubt, with a vote for MiniDV.
Unless, of course, the camcorder will serve you just for fun and the shots are not used for anything next.
Antwort von steveb:
No wonder - GS 300!
Antwort von beiti:
Can the camera record razor sharp, if it takes in Purchase, that the intake is less time for it? No.. The PAL standard is always the same.
Picks up the camera, the noise of the HD / the band? If you are working with the built-in Microphone, definitely. ;)
A microphone input MUST be in there! Is that a question or a statement? Whether an input is present, should (or in the prospectus are available on the manufacturer's website).
If the camera is (I think in both cases, the case) a threaded ring, for other Lenses? Do you mean a filter thread? Is synonymous in the prospectus.
If the hard drive technology matured in camcorders? No.. The main problem is the MPEG compression. DV are compressed much less.
If both cameras, the Standarkt mounting thread? A 1 / 4 "tripod thread? We want to hope so. If, however, are synonymous in the prospectus.;)
Antwort von Ledwig:
Erstmal Thanks for the replies.
So:
The recordings are already used for smaller projects and not be made just for fun (for me, the money would be synonymous) to shame.
My concern is just that some Kasettenlaufwerk (croaked the problem had a buddy of mine who has his camera but not synonymous treated particularly pfeglich). Another idea would be, if not even the hard drive is more vulnerable in the HD recorder, a MiniDV drive that is treated properly.
@ beiti:
The microphone input is a condition that I DO NOT want to film camera with microphone! So if someone would propose an alternate camera, they should have a microphone input.
Yes, I mean the filter thread. This should be synonymous exist (which, for the two models is the case).
That the mounting screw meets a standard, I do not know. Thanks for the information.
To Compression: JVC shall indicate on the page about the model that incorporated with 30GB memory 37h normal quality, and 7h in top quality. If it is as you say, that has the HD technology, compresses the picture striking addition, then the question settled before ...
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I have not yet found another model that could be quite interesting, especially since there is a high definition camera. SonyHDR-HC3E. My question: Is the HD and mature works synonymous taken seriously in this camera?
N theory, purely because this camera again would cost about 200 ¬ more ... Has anyone the model and can tell about it?
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Thanks times so far, it does look like I'll probably take it to the Panasonic NV-ehr GS300EG-S ... Has anyone and can tell about it (ease of use, processing, Robustität) image quality.
Antwort von Ledwig:
I would like - as mentioned above - just run the camera with a micro phone. There are as original accessories, the camera (stereo) Microphone of Panasonic VW-VMS2E. price, about 130 ¬. Is it worth the purchase? I hear the Kasettenlaufwerk will still (if the microphone is placed so close to the drive)? Is there a cheaper (also compatible) alternatives, or should we still prefer to stay with the original accessories?
Adere Question: Is it worth the purchase of a long Batteries?
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
Maybe for you synonymous important that you can operate the audio levels from the external microphone synonymous manual. Is not really that common?
Antwort von beiti:
JVC shows on the page about the model that incorporated with 30GB memory 37h normal quality, and 7h in top quality. If it is as you say, that has the HD technology, compresses the picture striking addition, then the question settled before ... For Comparison: The DV format you will get only about 135 minutes to 30 GB.
I have not yet found another model that could be quite interesting, especially since there is a high definition camera. SonyHDR-HC3E. My question: Is the HD and mature works synonymous taken seriously in this camera?
N theory, purely because this camera again would cost about 200 ¬ more ... Has anyone the model and can tell about it? I myself have no HDV model, and can therefore contribute anything practical, but with the search function here in the forum you'll find masses of opinions on the HC3.
In any case, you must be aware that editing of HDV is the higher requirements s.den computer. But HDV is indeed a much-discussed complex issues for themselves - irrespective of the specific camera model.
Antwort von prem:
For Comparison: The DV format you will get only about 135 minutes to 30 GB.
Then I'll take on any case, the NV-GS300 ...
Maybe for you synonymous important that you can operate the audio levels from the external microphone synonymous manual. Is not really that common? That is very interesting indeed ... Panasonic is on the page no information about this ...
If it is generally advisable to stay with the original manufacturer accessories? Because theoretically, you could even connect any microphone jack s.The?? Because if someone could confirm that the microphone when on the designated attachment device NOT absorbs the noise of the drive, I would tend to have the Panasonic Microphone ...
Antwort von Ledwig:
Hello again ....
I again have researched a bit and have a dealer found that the NV-GS250 (from the design as the NV-GS500 looks like model care for me, because the entire old series is hard to get too). And what would be a good (and was with NV-GS250 indeed the case) that the camera has a manual focus ring (which is the NV-GS300, which I even envision actually not the case). As far as I see it, is the only modification of the NV-GS500 NV-GS250 in Comparison to (from the old series), the 16:9 display. If quality is not too much difference to the NV-GS300 (from the new series), I would almost be willing to pay the higher price of 130 ¬ when I am not sure with buttons, Ural and Kazakhstan with the focus ring can control the sharpness (if only because the blurring). My question now, hopefully once and for all:
NV-GS250 for 795, --
NV-GS300 for 670, --
There are significant advantages compared to the NV-GS300 NV-GS250? Microphone input is given so synonymous with the NV-GS250. If it is really only the new 16:9 display, then tend to würd eich ehr NV-GS250.
Antwort von Jan:
Yes a little bit fair, we'll have to stay so bad that
MG 505 synonymous not, you know what I'm Pana disciples, but after some shooting - this is the first JVC consumer the very well maintained and has had no material weaknesses had written even a short time about you:
MG 505 Yes plus it has a folding LCD, finally, their 3 CCD Picture is already Pana 3 CCD similar to the 5 min Überspielungzeit on the PC of 1h material is already legendary, as is the Direktbrenner (by the way, synonymous with the SonySR 90 works), well in between delete record either movies / Stillimage's to HD / SD. Yes, the MPEG 2 cutting is a little complicated, but beginners software is there.
I think if one stays with the highest quality, the picture is already properly, except one is judged Extremprofi of the Picture are precisely to blur, artifacts and possible jerkiness, but not synonymous buys ¬ 1000 Cam. Her faithful Wide synonymous Angleschlägt one Pana 280th GS
Level control is not exactly like GS 280 / 300 which is the GS 250 / 500 withheld.
Mic, stand adapter are available.
I sold a short time 2, yet has come back, but they will have it hard when the HDV cameras will appear in the same price region - SonySR 1 and Canon HV 10th ....
And the question of GS 250 / 500 - yes, essentially the same (previous times) apart of more Resolutionund AGS - here in the forum had read about some users with the GS 250 but Abschattungsprobleme - mal - "vignetting"
GS 500 is my favorite instrument to 1100 ¬ (more resolution, larger CCD's, manual level control, hochziehbarer viewfinder, larger battery CGA DU 14, wired remote - so rough that the GS has not 300.)
VG
Jan
Antwort von Ledwig:
And the question of GS 250 / 500 - yes, essentially the same (previous times) apart of more Resolutionund AGS - here in the forum had read about some users with the GS 250 but Abschattungsprobleme - mal - "vignetting" If the higher Resolutionstark is (the weight of the camera has higher dissolved, not the new LCD you think, huh?). I can not synonymous with the 250 to switch to 16:9 (with just the bars)?
I have not found the thread, sry.
Would the 250 still preferable to the 300 (already own) because of the focus ring? Because the bullet you've got the 300 compared with the 500 ...
I would like to synonymous read the thread about the vignetting on the 250th
Antwort von Jan:
That was one of Mega's thread here:
GS 250 No. The Resolutionist only for the Stillimage's interesting, just like most filmmakers can do without anti-ground shooting.
Reels 16 / 9 to both sides (GS 250 / 500)
VG
Jan
Antwort von THEFIX:
No. The Resolutionist only for the Stillimage's interesting, just like most filmmakers can do without anti-ground shooting. What is it?
Hm .. So would nearly est wiser to invest a further 100 ¬ more and buy the NV-GS500, which no longer has these vignettes?
Because of the higher Resolutionder 500: photographing eigenltich I would not anyway ...
In the other thread but was not clear then what the grid is actually (yes, but what is really only interesting if one belongs to the people who have a 250, when this phenomenon occurs).
So the better battery on the 500 would be synonymous, a point which would be observed.
The Image Stabilization is the same as for the 250 or?
If you use an unfavorable Lens (for example, wide angle), it can still be a perception that this Vignettiereungen or regains?
Specific question:
Does anyone have the 500 and they can be neutral compared with the 250? Is worth paying another 100 ¬ more for the various improvements (mainly just for vignetting, where I've asked whether it is with this one lens provoking).
Antwort von Ledwig:
Or is the Vigenttierungserscheinung in 500 never corrected? Because if that should occur as synonymous again, then I could give up the 16:9 screen ...
Antwort von steveb:
Anti-Ground Shooting
What is it? prevent an automatic shutdown device that will that will continue to be recorded when the camera together after shooting down his arm and swings the recording by accident continues.
Antwort von 911liru21:
Anti-Ground Shooting
What is it?
prevent an automatic shutdown device that will that will continue to be recorded when the camera together after shooting down his arm and swings the recording by accident continues. I will not at all! What if one wants to deliberately make this movement? Well no preference ...
So again shortly ...
Is Vignettierungsproblem the GS250 has been corrected in the GS500?, If so, is worth the financial overhead of 100 ¬, of ¬ 800 (GS250) to ¬ 900 (GS500)?
Please make sure to write if you can help me ...
Thank you
Antwort von VolkerS:
Anti-Ground Shooting
What is it?
prevent an automatic shutdown device that will that will continue to be recorded when the camera together after shooting down his arm and swings the recording by accident continues.
I will not at all! What if one wants to deliberately make this movement? Well no preference ...
You will not believe probable, but that can be switched off. :-)
Antwort von Ledwig:
That's what I thought ... ;)
Well anyway ... important to me is the issue with the vignetting ...
As I've already written above, these vignettes, the GS500 is no longer, or is the same as for the GS250?
Antwort von Jan:
've Already abundant with GS 500 and filmed synonymous Friends, None has since seen something remarkable, the Cam was more highly praised what is expected for 1000 ¬ in the consumer class.
If it's really vignettes are, can be synonymous to "reduce /" it turns off by not filming with an open aperture (1.6 or 1.8).
GS 250 I can not talk, I had a camera there, but surprisingly it never filmed. Have read magazines, but of almost nothing but good things, of vignettes was there never any question.
Good to the Battery CGA DU 14 (GS 500) is not significantly stronger than the CGA DU 12 but still there.
Here are 2 GS 250 Posts:
GS 250 GS 250 VG
Jan
Antwort von Ledwig:
Thanks for the reply
Then I guess my decision will fall on the GS500, after autauchen now really more and more threats, where users have problems with the GS250 (synonymous well be times when it was obviously the best camera in the series has).
Antwort von Ledwig:
So ... I ordered me now, the NV-GS500 ... In the brochure I have also never read that, the only camera is from the series, which even filmed in full-screen images (which I was very pleased to read that!). Purely for interest's sake, was so synonymous with the GS250 (presumably already, so an important point had been raised so!)?
Antwort von Jan:
upps yes the cinema frame mode, I forgot to specify where the simulated camera from the 50 fields 25 frames makes had described with modified gamma curve - like a user.
But quite so seriously you can not take the mode, I've got no difference in the world can see the playback menu is displayed in the same exposure synonymous eg 1 / 50 sec with Aperture 1.8 and take 3 DB gain, pure Vollbildner IJN usually ne 1 / 25 sec shutter as a car, of the normal switch on Cinema mode remains almost at the GS 500 all the same.
GS 250 - I do not know, I think that had a mode synonymous, but I can not say for sure.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Ledwig:
Ahso ...
since there has only ever had problems with the post-s.PC. Had to be always with one interpolation filter to convert (if I remember correctly).
So yes, then you see who ...
Thanks again for your help
Antwort von Ledwig:
So ... Wednesday ordered ... Today it was there! First impression, I am mega pleased with! Get the user must properly study, such as how to set the focus ring / justieen is.
I myself still an adapter ring for the two Lenses (46mm) of my grandfather bought a video camera. Angepielt four shops, the first two, it had only to order, and the third well, where did I order it synonymous commissioned, because I was too stupid. Then I'm still synonymous with the fourth (because I'm there almost over anyway), just to exclude that this was not the desired ring synonymous. Three times would advise her as the story continues ;)... the guy said that he had sowas only on order, I am s.The wall where all the synonymous Lenses and Adapter Rings hung ... The first adapter ring that I have pulled out, was a 43mm <-> 46mm. So back to shop 3 and canceled ... Gone home ... just tried and had a hefty vignetting times (maybe he even has the edge of the wide-angle filmed. "Well ...", I thought. With a little Zoom seen anything, but still would be more picture than without WW, still a shame .. . Dnnn've tried ichs without aperture (of the camera), covering the lens with the adapter ring so that the lens is so synonymous about 3mm forward to further 3mm puts forward. And lo and behold ... no more vignetting.
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