Frage von UlmsSkyliner:
Hello,
until now I have only ever with a camera rotated.
That should change now, however.
Say.
With a camera I had a scene at least 2x times filming
1x Close
1x Complete
Now, I shoot with 2 cameras
What does that benefit?
If I but with 2 cameras movies is the sound of the shot logically "low", then I need an extra Microphone?
Or what do I get sound,
the sound of a camera (close) or the Sound of the 2.Camera (total)?
MfG Chris
Antwort von Wolfpeter-Hans-Dieter:
Yes you with the sound you can with extra Micro or with the sound of the other Cam do, that's totally glasses. However, you can certainly not the sound of the total take. A 2.Cam has the advantage that you have a 2.Cam did! So you can turn faster because you're not a Camera umparken always have. And if a cam is broken, you have still a further and can still shoot!
Antwort von Nio:
But it must ensure that both on the same format that you notice immediately.
Antwort von Bousquet:
Hi,
ok first thanks.
So if I shoot with 2 cameras, I need only the sound of an attitude to take (Middle) or?
Antwort von Nio:
Would I do it when I have no external Micro, hep.
Antwort von Bousquet:
Would I do it when I have no external Micro, hep. Is the s all right to ask here?
And how do you make it if you eun external Micro, think about the sound then keep lip-sync?
Antwort von Bousquet:
klappe take. The Picture in the door of course. Then the point in the video, where the fold together just "works". Take the sound and then using the "blob" align. Out and her little push and watch when it suits.
Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:
How do the with the flap?
Stand aufn hose.
But now again to the real question:
If I shoot with 2 cameras, I must only the sound of the Middle accept.
But if I then distinguish then fit together the sound is no longer just for the shot.
How do I make of that is synonymous to the sound of shots fit?
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hello!
The sound does not please the "clacking" gear, because then you would have seen in the shots always Tonverzögerung. You may only once after the "Picture"
you need to go
and the difference between Sound "clack" and Picture "homeless" look. The sound draw you in your case with a camera to:
(Anything else would not make sense to you anseiden telling us that you have a cupboard in the recorder are searched for with good sound quality and Microphone Preamp for ...) 1. You have NO external Microphone: Listen to both recordings you to look where the sound is s.besten, you decide for ONE of the two. Wächsel not between the Microphone of Total and Middle. Where the sound is better, but is of tunterschiedlich project to project.
(Example: Did you perhaps in a church in the shot just Next to a speaker stand? Or in the Middle before you people who are too loud clap?) 2. You have an external microphone: Position the external microphone to it and close your s.eine cameras. The best s.eine fixed camera, in which case rather s.die camera, shot the film. Remember however s.die corresponding cable lengths. You move the camera, a radio microphone is useful.
(Synonymous here you can be creative and a third camera somewhere to lie down, the ONLY sound recording, with poor image quality, to synchronize the s.Anfang once the flap "sees") Note: Stop in the midst of multi-camera recording never at a Camera, the Studio. leave the tape through, no preference ode runwichtig how important something is. Remember however, the Bandwächsel. After each Bandwächsel you need with the re-synchronize flip through the "door".
Hope I could help you!
Many dear greetings,
Constantin
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
The door ... That is the answer to your question ;-)
I'll show you a link of google, a picture with a film lid, which you certainly already have seen.
zum Bild - With the flip do you picture yourself in such a way that both cameras are on you, hit
record in both. Then you dwells the door as quickly as possible. The "clack" is perhaps in a frame to hear the Picture "lid on" -> "door" synonymous in about 1-3 frames.
- Pick a point, the door just s.dem still quite open.
- Cutting s.diesem point
both videos!
- Then you lay dei video tracks (depending on the editing program) on each other and take each of the recordings, which you liked better.
It is only a matter of a point to find the two videos have in common s.dem you can align. That could be a synonymous squeak and a simultaneous flash of a light to. The flap has been established simply because they are practical. =) (Now you should be synonymous understand why you just can press
record again. Otherwise agrees that someday the Synchonität no more)
The sound runs all the time in a stereo soundtrack next! Just Ask again after precisely, if any is unclear what ;-)
Many greetings,
Constantin
Antwort von Wiro:
But this is a strange door in the Picture.
For me, the gaaanz different.
;-)))
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Hollgo:
The sound does not please the "clacking" gear! Because then you would have seen in the shots always Tonverzögerung. After all, the speed of sound so synonymous setback 333m / s, as it should be in a room (my room synonymous in size) do not play any role, whether the image content syncronisiert or after Tonmuster.
I directed at the post Syncronität always s.der audio track.
Just about every video editor, the envelopes of audio dar. If the pattern syncron in the timeline overlapped, then arises from the fact synonymous in the Syncronität Picture.
The former method can I find almost impossible. How can we image comparisons from different perspectives syncronisieren?
Antwort von Frank B.:
Just about every video editor, the envelopes of audio dar. If the pattern syncron in the timeline overlapped, then arises from the fact synonymous in the Syncronität Picture. Just do I do it synonymous. This synchronicity is always guaranteed, no preference as far as the object is gone. For large distances of over a hundred meters, while the sound is noticeably later than the Picture. The synchronization on the above instance, but in the timeline again. Picture and sound are then moved to each other the way that it fits again. But this is pure theory. Who puts his camera over 100m far from the host object and expects a good sound. Speaking of good sound: I will be happy with an additional audio device. This gives greater security and are often the better sound.
Frank
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hey,
So I address myself after picture
from both cameras. Klackt straight to the door, I look at two cameras when the "clack" sound comes. It does not matter that the sound of the camera takes the 100 meters, but about the fact that the recorded sound, for example of a micro phone, to fit the picture.
Example: - Is the sound a frame later than the picture, I notice my "1"!
- Eich Now look me in the second picture, I see there, the sound is 5 frames later. So I set the sound 5-1 = 4 frames to the front. Otherwise, the picture assynchron to sound off when the cameras out and herschneidet. (Even if the sound arrives later
in reality) So
even after the sound sync, the second camera at great distances from the Picture. Du film but not exactly in a great cathedral, it should be relatively no preference and we depend s.der theory! ;-)
Many dear greetings
Constantin
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Strange, that one sometimes sees the film door and sometimes a "UNCUT" logo. Hope you see the film door, could be that there is a copyright on it. Otherwise just search google for "shutter film" or "flap".
(The black thing on the fold, where little is what it ;-))
Many, liebe grüße
Constantin
Antwort von Markus:
... or "flap".
(The black thing on the fold, where little is what it ;-)) Oh je, I do not think that people in this film can be happy - at least most. ;-)
PS: If an insider joke.
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
The door ;-) Since bekomm eich but actually recorded a week ago, where classmates persons interviewed in Mainz have relating to right-wing.
The beginning of the interview, I could never use because they are "very professional" look and wanted every time "action" and have called the fold before the building have kept
after the question was. :)
So what the door is there, now synonymous should be clear, do not always "homeless"
Do you like us to insiders say Mark?
Many dear greetings
Constantin
Antwort von Markus:
Do you like us to insiders say Mark? Nope. Insiders know what I mean. ;-)
Antwort von Uwe:
...
Now, I shoot with 2 cameras
What does that benefit?
If you are not with 2 cameras of the same model work, it has the very nice advantage that you have a great deal about color correction / alignment'll learn ... ;-)
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
If he does not even know what ne door, is it the difference in color is not synonymous noticeable.
Would like to thank the Fragsteller not come close, sorry. But at least try it with a white balance of both cameras and either 1 or 3-chip camcorder.
In two weeks it is then: Somehow sees a different picture ;-)
Many greetings,
Constantin
Antwort von rush:
As briefly mentioned, preferably not with 2 different dv cameras work ... the difference is visible in every instance and you're only in the post s.rumrudern to align it halfway ...
Antwort von etch:
I have a question about the flap:
For what does the abbreviation:
Roll
-Scene
Take
I turn synonymous with 2 cams in a few days and because I want my door Do it yourslf properly labeled yes
Antwort von etch:
Hi,
So first thank you for your efforts!
Yes, that's quite clear that with 2 identical cameras should rotate.
Sure I know what door is ne ;-)
So I have now with 2 cameras rotated.
Habs made so as dus (Blackeagle123) have described, when I cut it needs to
'm really satisfied with the outcome!
But not as a film flap had to put my math book and fold it * g *
But what there is still possibilities for a common item to find the two videos have in common?
Here was something with the soundtrack envelopes mentioned to me that someone can explain what it is and so if I can make something synonymous.
MfG Chris
Antwort von robbie:
Here was something with the soundtrack envelopes mentioned to me that someone can explain what it is and so if I can make something synonymous.
MfG Chris Yes, these are the jagged lines on the soundtrack. If you look at the peaks, which together include about each other then this is the sound synchronously.
Synonymous Alternatively you can take a photo flash. This is particularly suitable for synchronization in rooms.
Schöne Grüße,
Robbie
Antwort von Wiro:
I have a question about the flap: For what does the abbreviation Roll, Scene, Take Is self-explanatory.
Roll tape = no. Important to the recovery of a scene, for example, if something in the post nachgecaptured be.
Scene = Szenennr in the script
No = Take the recording, with several takes of a scene numbered (Take 1, Take 2, etc.) takes in from different angles the same scene, usually with 1A, 1B means.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von etch:
sag mal,
The XDCAM HD PDW-F350 camera with which you turn? or 2 of them?
Genlock but they've got, so you should have no problem but the tc synce can cut in order to have everything synchronously or not?
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
What is Genlock?
In principle, the envelope, what you hear, graphically shown. I still would not work with the envelope (the soundtrack), but with the picture track (see explanation above), but it should be in practice for small distances hardly make a difference!
But so is ideal in large areas of the photo flash synonymous rather than a whistle or a loud, short beep. ;-)
Many dear greetings
Constantin
Antwort von etch:
Hi,
Ne with the camera or cameras, I do not turn.
Ok
Are there other ways else except those who have called it a common item to find?
Regards chris
Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:
Hello
and why is it better with the image track to work?
Antwort von Wiro:
why is it better with the image track to work? Oh man - the artet again in a never-ending "why and why" story from.
It is ultimately no preference what you use. It must be just a point in the case of all cameras work just fine as Syncpunkt detectable. Optical (a flash or a door) is on the Timeline to synchronize more than a sound or an amplitude representation.
If you have time, then blitze or flap.
If you do not have time, because to go fast and must occur unexpectedly (eg, the sudden use of a brass band music), then we must halt the amplitude excuse.
Depending on the situation like that.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:
Ok thanks!
Sorry if I have a couple of times every question, but I keep it wnill know exactly damt after I make no mistakes.
I arebeite with Adobe Premiere 6.5
if I now the whole to push all the way to the front, how does it work without that other bodies are moving.
Hard to say, but if I have only the first track to the front would push to the top, then top with the other offices is no longer fit:
How do I know everything simultaneously "pack" and are pushing each other s.den beginning, what key combination do I need to press?
Here's a Picture
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/King_Chris/fuer_forum.jpg?t=1175802410
Antwort von Wiro:
I'm not quite sure how it went at 6.5 (which is something her with me). The magic word is "Clear and gap."
Click times with the right mouse on the gap s.Anfang throughout the timeline.
Because what is appropriate?
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:
Hey,
thank you did right!
Booyah!
But if I now the whole "together" a few seconds after moving back, how do I make it?
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
It is ultimately no preference Right, thank you! =)
Many greetings
Constantin
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
There is a tool. The two arrows are on top of each other. Try the tool table. (Is 6.5 still in vieel too many pro's in only the most important!)
Hold the mouse button is pressed on a tool to ensure greater choice to get.
Many dear greetings
Constantin
Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:
Hi,
Thank you worked!
So say thank you again for your effort so you have to send me to explain.
A little question I have:
When a music video will be rotated, then the sound from the video taken, where se is sung, or the right sound (which was recorded in the studio) and then adapted to lip-sync, or how to do this?
MfG Chris
Antwort von Wiro:
Typically, the recorded playback, just as it was synonymous with television broadcasts makes. For music clips, depending on the effort for several or many crossings rotated to the many varied camera settings to get s.unterschiedlichen locations.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von etch:
Ok Thanks!
I would like to see an external microphone that I can connect s.meine Camera, buy!
There should be no longer than 70 ¬ costs:
It must now be no pro-Microphone, because it is not until now anyway for me would be worthwhile.
Gibts da was reasonably good Micro?
Antwort von Hollinizer:
Hi,
So I've tried it zusammenzuschneiden follows:
I have since the first picture where the cut flap (in my book) s.weitesten open.
The 2nd Picture I have also since cut, where the door or book on s.weitesten is, therefore, I have a common point of the two images found.
So far so good.
Before the "scene" (before the conversation between 2 people) but really they're still at the first recording (total) a few seconds are useless.
If I cut away but then have the 2 images so no common point more so is the sound no longer synchronously, right?
Antwort von Wiro:
Moin - well, slept well?
Then we can continue with our multicam-private course ;-)))
... have the 2 images so no common point more so is the sound no longer synchronously, right? But - you move nothing on the timeline.
6.5 As yet no genuine multicam functionality has, you have to manage differently. Cutting always there, where a camera Umschnitt be, by the timeline and disable (right mouse button) the clip that should be invisible. As in the Picture. Although Pro, but at 6.5 it is similar.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hey,
I do this with the sync point is always a bit different, with in-points.
As you have the points on each clip set? (I know it only as a chapter marks)
If Pro 1.0 so synonymous work.
Many greetings,
Constantin
Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:
Hihi,
so to say.
Thank you for everything has worked flawlessly.
The synchronicity between sound and picture are perfectly suited.
Say again I thank her so well explained.
Did as said in
since both images are cut where the door (in my book) s.weitesten open.
However, a few seconds after the useless I have also cut, and the other at exactly the same place
Thanks again.
Einaml I have the 2nd Picture cut only once, where the zusammenklappt my book, because I host this until later in the video had taken (middle and end)
therefore fits all thank nochhmal
mfg chris
still ask ne
I'm looking en mikrofon to 70 ¬ for my camera, can you advise me as what should have bisses better than the camera's microphone.
Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:
Hi,
I wanted to ask why the Bildqualiät with me is not so good?
This is certainly due to the fact that I do not have the best camera (mini DV), but if I have my camera with the television associate is really top quality.
But if I then Filmed on the computer games and then render the movie, the quality is bad.
Is due to the fact that I not so a good graphics card have?
Or is the fact that I export the movie wrong, wrong in AVI format?
So I think now is not that the Qualitäät bad, because I rotated with 2 cameras have, but that generally the quality is not good if I Filmed on the computer and I play the movie then Finish.
What is this?
MfG Chris
Antwort von mdb:
If you have time, then blitze or flap. Once in the field of view of the cameras against the micro beat was in our team to film times usual
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
But you have to tell us than what you've just exported. Just as an avi? (uncompressed?) Or with the Adobe Media Encoder, which outputs a compressed mpeg?
Can someone me again what the "Marks" say please? Would be great:)
Many dear greetings
Constantin
Antwort von Wiro:
Can someone me again what the "Marks" say please? Would be great:) You mean the sync marker on the clips?
Brand> Clipmarke set. For me this is the shortcut CTRL + ALT + C.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Ah, thank you! That said I do.
Always click the film twice s.and put then on the button at the bottom of the monitor brand.
Many greetings,
Constantin
Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:
Ah, thank you! That said I do.
Always click the film twice s.and put then on the button at the bottom of the monitor brand.
Many greetings,
Constantin Hi,
was the now s.mich addressed, setting the marks?
If so why?
if not then what does that have to do with the topic?
I have it exported
avi uncompressed
As I said s.fernseh is the qualiät well and if I spend it badly
is the s.format?
s.der or s.was graphics card or it could be otherwise subject
mfg chris
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hey,
no, what s.dich not have the answer already given. Was only a question of how other users work! Another lesson: So very strange. If you have the video in Premiere aufnimmst and then exportierst, you may see no difference between Adobe Premiere and Windows Media Player (for example!)
The finished video, you can only s.pc so synonymous have seen, probably because it is far too big for a CD! ;-)
Next time the right to export, as a DVD or (S) VCD, etc. Read s.besten tutorial or manual to Premiere ;-)
Try the following: import the avi that you have exported back into Premiere and shows how the quality is. The graphics card has little to do if you have the drivers installed (otherwise you would but synonymous in the video premiere gaanz look bad!)
Does the video in Premiere already bad, check your recording settings. (Hope, you take on with Premiere:)) Poste then your results, or ask in confusion.
Many dear greetings
Constantin
Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:
Ok thanks!
Will I make it!
Or should I spend it as mpg?
ne ask
nochmal what are these "brands"
for what you need the `?
functions?
tasks
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
oh man ... Three questions next front, everything was so well explained. But once again happy ;-)
These brands were s.einer body, which is in the Video 1 has chosen. Then you are in video 2, a body rausgesucht, where the book as far as open. Then both bodies übereinandergeschoben.
Is the comfort solution of the work that you've made by playing the videos s.der simply cut them. Whether such brands synonymous in Premiere 6.5 is, I do not grade, because I was synonymous "just" cut hab. (eig makes no difference, except that the synchronization can be quickly restored if accidentally video tracks should be moved, etc.)
Many greetings,
Constantin
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Thus,
Now please do not export as an mpeg or something else. This is the next step, if you have the film finished on CD / DVD burn want. (Then maybe questions about Encore * g * ... in few years! Encore is a program synonymous of Adobe, please google if interested)
Import once the avi in premiere and tell me how the quality is in Premiere.
Many greetings,
Constantin
Antwort von Stefam:
Hey,
So I address myself after picture from both cameras. Klackt straight to the door, I look at two cameras when the "clack" sound comes. It does not matter that the sound of the camera takes the 100 meters, but about the fact that the recorded sound, for example of a micro phone, to fit the picture.
Example:
- Is the sound a frame later than the picture, I notice my "1"!
- Eich Now look me in the second picture, I see there, the sound is 5 frames later. So I set the sound 5-1 = 4 frames to the front. Otherwise, the picture assynchron to sound off when the cameras out and herschneidet. (Even if the sound arrives later in reality)
So even after the sound sync, the second camera at great distances from the Picture. Du film but not exactly in a great cathedral, it should be relatively no preference and we depend s.der theory! ;-)
Many dear greetings
Constantin Hello,
I would like to join in this discussion miteinmischen, because I also interested in this topic.
They wrote, in the example the sound of a frame later heard.
In the second picture you can hear him only 5 frames later.
If I, however, the soundtrack 4 frames move forward, then, however, is the 1st Picture asynchronously to the sound, since we only have a sound and when one picture is adjusted, it can not for the other picture to be synchronously when one ton of the building later arrives.
Liebe Grüße Stefan
Antwort von PowerMac:
This is not gesiezt.
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
You can quietly "you say, of course ^ ^
So you have me as a bit misconstrued. You have to be the case in the original soundtrack (where the clack 5 frames arrive later) by 4 frames to the front slide, so that the Klack synchronously to Picture appears!
So you need, when you back of the recorded sound out the video track by 4 frames to move forward. Then the true sound of synchronicity with the other exactly Picture agree. (Namely, twice delayed by 1 frame)!
Hope you could understand?
Many greetings,
Constantin
Antwort von Glottis:
Hello,
yes apologize, okay habs understood what you mean.
I also work with Adobe Premiere and am still lay in the theme DV editing, I can then in a field by how many frames the track is?
Of course I can move the desired track, but has not moved.
When I look at the track backwards "move", the track is again too far away.
How can I prevent that the track only a frame shift, instead of about one second?
Liebe Grüße Stefan
Antwort von Wiro:
How can I prevent that the track only a frame shift, instead of about one second? Hello,
You now want to "prevent" or allow?
Track mark, press and hold ALT and one frame as the decimal point, or press. Decimal to the left, thus point to the right.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Care: When I use the sound of the next entfwernten Camera synchronously to the sound of the nearby camera will be / want, I can only move the Toonspur. If I move the combined Picture-/Soundtrack, the sound is correct, but the Picture unsynchron again!
Antwort von Wiro:
Well, that's probably logical.
Should there actually people who where you must declare the extra?
;-)
I can sense this Theoretisiererei do not recognize.
If one synchronized to the picture, can set a soundtrack but the shot of his trial. The need is not always yes.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
So looks like ;-)
(I think it is about them, Atmo synchronously to be able to mix ...)
Antwort von Glottis:
How can I prevent that the track only a frame shift, instead of about one second?
Hello,
You now want to "prevent" or allow?
Track mark, press and hold ALT and one frame as the decimal point, or press. Decimal to the left, thus point to the right.
Gruss Wiro Hello,
I must apologize for my wrong expression when you apologize.
Nevertheless, you clearly what I mean.
Thank you!
Now I finally know how to make a track a few frames forward or backward moves.
Liebe Grüße Stefan
