Frage von randoni:
hallo leute,
has anyone ever been used by adapters ef-objective s.der XL2?
if so:
- How were the experiences?
- Changing the focal length (as in n.analog / n.digital)?
I have some ef-kb-objective and it would be very happy (and later use after the sale s.der) XL2. if it works that would be even a main argument for acquiring an XL2.
thx
r.
Antwort von utan:
Hello
I have the EF adapter and one XL1, XL2 does not stop the behavior but I think at times kommts's the same out ..
Frankly, I almost never use the part, sometimes just for some tests. I see the benefits not quite got the XL because I think Lenses actually very good. Have some very good EF Lenses synonymous here. It has a focal length extension (in KB) by a factor of 7th In addition, you have no auto focus more what is perhaps less problematic in the XL2, but in the XL1 with their bad-resolution viewfinder is the least funny, most use the AF.
If you are looking for, of course, extreme telephoto, the whole thing is already of advantage, because a 200 will have 1400mm (KB) (standard 16x: 600mm), so better to use a good tripod.
Antwort von randoni:
utan many thanks to all the questions answered!
Antwort von moma:
Hi,
I'm new as of today in the forum and have just been a question.
So far I mostly gewibmet of animal photography, but so slowly I feel the interest in shooting.
I have already read some posts, but my question about the lenses, I still can not resolve.
At the moment I take pictures with the Canon 5d and the 100 - 400mm IS.
The use of EF lenses on a film camera is obviously attractive. Thus stings at first glance, of course, the Canon Xl1/Xl2 eye.
But regarding the use of EF lenses on these two cameras I have a few questions!
Can the image stabilization will keep the 100 - 400 "?
Will the image quality is strongly influenced by these Lenses?
If the output aperture of 5.6f too big?
Can lead to a factor of 7 KB Shooting still good or even very small movements on a tripod to strong Wachler?
I know that it is usually very rude to log into the forum and ask a direct question, but I can at the moment for lack of experience, unfortunately, not write informative posts!
Am pleased to answer!
Moritz
Antwort von Martin:
[...] So slow I feel the interest in shooting.
At the moment I take pictures with the Canon 5d and the 100 - 400mm IS.
The use of EF lenses on a film camera is obviously attractive. Thus stings at first glance, of course, the Canon Xl1/Xl2 eye. Hm, who shot with 5D and 100-400, of course, has certain rights. My first thought would be to collect opt into the shooting erstmal experience, then buy a more expensive equipment. Re: Who with 5D and 30D, not photographed, the PAL is secure enough Resolutionhaben ...
But regarding the use of EF lenses on these two cameras I have a few questions!
Can the image stabilization will keep the 100 - 400 "?
certainly not - the adapter should purely mechanical / optical not be electric. Thus autofocus and IS are eliminated.
Will the image quality is strongly influenced by these Lenses? Photography in the relevant forums will be discussed again and again about the "resolution" of lenses. With a focal length extension factor of 7 is used by the maximum possible image circle synonymous only 1 / 7. The effort, however, lies in the lens design is now just to keep the optical properties of the lens evenly over the entire image area. With a factor of 7 in both directions, but it uses only 2% of the maximum possible viewing area. My prediction: A standard film camera without interchangeable lens gives a better picture ...
Can lead to a factor of 7 KB Shooting still good or even very small movements on a tripod to strong Wachler? Of course, only an extremely stable tripod with (the EF-Lens is indeed not exactly easy ...)
Greeting
Martin
Antwort von moma:
Hello Martin,
First of many thanks for your quick response.
The exchangeable-film cameras have me, it often fails because it is close enough s.Wild or songbirds stalk First of course is equally impressive in a sense. The focal range is thus almost into the Spektivbereich.
) For "big" game (s.Rehwild it's unfortunately usually not practical in any case have such a large focal flicker for partial heat or mist, for smaller birds and blackbirds, the focal size can be usually not long enough.
My needs are ultimately neutral, sharp and higher-quality image reproduction (who does not want to) where they do not have sufficient umbedingt in the top class.
But because I have often read that the Xl1/Xl2's most often used of National Geographic, I became aware of this.
Otherwise, I would love to, as you have already described the possibility of getting First of a film camera to practice with.
Just where is my question.
If someone has suggestions, I would be grateful.
Moritz
Antwort von utan:
Hello moma
think for yourself would be the Canon XL series of precisely that what you are looking for, if you actually need such large focal lengths. Be aware, however, synonymous to you that the stable driving at such focal lengths is not easy and because of the (very!) Limited depth of field you'll need some practice. I now revise my above statement, I have begun again to film regularly and because of the lighting conditions while the automatic is not satisfactory and there are stop where EF Lenses sharpening setting synonymous with what is actually mechanically moving more pleasant than the endlessly turning in XL lenses.
The exception, of course vollmanuelle ;-)
Whether you meet the 5.6 stop is a question of shooting situations, the photograph of you so that you can take a lot that has a beginning standard lens aperture of 1.6-2.6 and Comparison to the 5D you can not simply go to ISO3200 in order to offset this. In the forest there could possibly be if it did not just close a clearing is now so by instinct, but the boundaries have tested enough to be able to make statements about it.
@ Martin:
I'll go out like that you do not have XL, and the adapter have probably never been synonymous in my hand, because your statements are simply wrong.
EF Lenses The Image Stabilization works very well, but then this is not as powerful as the XL Lenses - I take s.liegt s.der Focal length for which it was not designed, but then stop.
As for the Resolutionder Lenses: First, it is indeed the center of the Lenses used (which is s.schärfsten) and then I doubt that there is a "standard film camera take s.du (think even video) with a focal of 2800mm is ;-) So stay in that area can hold only the solution XL with EF lenses.
Martin, I do not want you hereby attack, but just because moma is not yet large-versed in these matters is not so good then be made such statements.
Antwort von moma:
@ utan: Thank you for your detailed reply!
With my current equipment, I still manage to get by with a small carbon-Tripod Velbon of, then it would need something else here! Mostly I photograph just after sunrise or sunset!
Otherwise s.späteren afternoon, depending on how the lighting to fit! Due to the difficult limited visibility in the forest, I usually prefer the open hilly landscapes, because there I can make my photo objects often even with the binoculars.
Here's an example (a bit blurred now,) as the AF was not right and also the Focal was something short! =):
zum Bild Thanks again!
Moritz
Edit: Because of the intensity I could take, if necessary synonymous my EF 100/2.8, 700mm range for most shots yet!
Converter in general, I really do not use!
Antwort von utan:
Yes, I think there should definitely produces a more stable tripod for such focal lengths, synonymous KIND believe that there are practically only static shots, or else it would probably synonymous a very high head required - as I said I was lacking at the moment, experience it, but I'll take my 70-200L, the next time you think to the zoo with ;-)
Think you'd have to try out the equipment had only once, so that you do not false ideas, think for your application could be the small DEPTH to the problem. In Germany there are some lenders camera, the EF adapter will probably not usually have, but to you who can maybe from the forum made available ..
Otherwise yes you can have time with the 5D manual Focusing only - then you have had some practice time ;-)
Antwort von moma:
@ utan: Which of the two white men have you got?
The 2.8 or 4?
I have already tested a bit earlier in the garden! The beautiful is that the MF is set really quite good.
Action shots anyway, I usually do not (otherwise I would have synonymous not only 3 frames / sec ;-))!
Well, the focus is indeed the safest Manual of the pros!
Thanks again!
Moritz
Antwort von utan:
At the moment, unfortunately, only the 4-I'm just the 2.8er am thinking - no IS, I really do not need anyway, since I had motion blur on my images than I would blur.
I just really am a fan of the AF (hab ne old 1er) but am now by the light of the circumstances with the XL1 s.manual practice (AF tends to pump the XL1).
Antwort von moma:
@ utan: A rather silly question, but I can not quite answer it to me!
Suppose I am filming with EF lenses exclusively s.der XL Series, would differ in how far the XL1 of the XL2, or what real benefits would arise in the XL2.
The price differences stand out from yet been clearly!
In what "class" to keep the two cameras?
Moritz
Antwort von utan:
Now I know stop just as the XL1, and can now only refer to the technical differences, even I have no experience with the XL2.
This stop is still a strong development and time between these two. Entscheidened are, above the image intensifier.
XL1: 4:3 and in fact even for SD (standard resolution) PAL to low resolution
XL2: 16:9 and state of the art with regard to SD.
Ahja of the XL2 viewfinder is guaranteed synonymous lot better, which is on the XL1 and not as the bringer Focusing particularly when manual you're pretty screwed if the viewfinder but nothing is good.
XL2 is certainly superior in all aspects of XL1 by far. However, I'm now always synonymous joy s.meiner XL1 simply because the handling of the XL-series which is different (some love it, some hate it). Have synonymous nor SonyHC-1 next to it.
I do not like the Prices are with you, but in Switzerland, the difference is in the original price (XL1s still) at 500 ¬, if you get them at all. Occasion get the XL1 is very inexpensive, but many people today do not recommend the purchase of an XL1 - it was simply too old to muddy the picture.
She has hold its advantages for you EF Lenses, Focal extreme.
On the other Page one will bring the new Canon XH-A1, which is HDV (high resolution) and synonymous to 650mm, to get cheaper.
You have to stop for you to clarify how many times you actually need Focal whether the EF is too much, etc. .. The (semi-) shoulder design of the XL which is otherwise often referred to as synonymous as an advantage for you would not anyway because of Tripod are probably always will be filmed.
Antwort von sportsoccerfoot:
@ huti: Would it be advisable to make a XL2, unless they get better with inches, etc. in America to buy there, or better here in Germany?
I'm usually very skeptical about this when it comes to warranty and repairs!
If you bescheid know I'd appreciate an answer.
Greetings!
Moritz
Antwort von utan:
huti ????? So if you meant me then utan or Raphael, but rather is synonymous ;-)
America is not recommended, since most devices NTSC, PAL, then there are mostly synonymous expensive as here. Would leave ...
Antwort von Martin:
@ Martin:
I'll go out like that you do not have XL, and the adapter have probably never been synonymous in the hand Does :-) Unfortunately I am not part of the population who could afford on his hobby equipment in the price range :-(
Ashes on my head ... - Interesant, however, that the IS still going to work - and there are dealing with film, not to individual pictures. How does it work anyway? Presumably, the aperture will remain permanently on the set value? Where does the lens then knows when the frame starts to trigger the IS?
EF Lenses The Image Stabilization works very well, but then this is not as powerful as the XL Lenses - I take s.liegt s.der Focal length for which it was not designed, but then stop. Even. The IS was designed to correct a few s.Verwackung% of the image area. This blurring, however, the "effective" focal with bigger, so that the IS in fact useless. although I doubt remains that it works at all ...
As for the Resolutionder Lenses: First, it is indeed the center of the Lenses used (which is s.schärfsten) True - but not by a factor of 7th Lenses are calculated for a given resolution (= sharpness), as evenly as possible over the entire area. They are just not optimized for maximum Resolutionin the center.
And I doubt that there is a "standard film camera (guess s.du mean even video) with a focal of 2800mm ;-) So, there remains in this area can hold only the solution XL with EF lenses.
Focal 2800 - Ok. But I doubt that this will lead to focal synonymous remotely reasonable shooting. Focal Imerhin is synonymous with the initial aperture value increases to a factor of 7, so that we are talking about with F2800 aperture 39th added that shooting actually is intended to accommodate movement. The pursuit of an animal at the focal But IMHO even with the very best video head mounted on a concrete base, simply impossible.
The XM2 offers such a 20x zoom, therefore, up to about 800mm KB-equivalent, with a tailor-made for the Camera Optics. It would be interesting to see here at times the Comparison.
Martin, I do not want you hereby attack, but just because moma is not yet large-versed in these matters is not so good then be made such statements. Hmm, OK, that I may be with the adapter and its services side was (apparently there is one electrical connection - why always synonymous?). Among the other statements, however, I am - and the combo would XL2 + Macro EF100/2.8 me their advantages over the XM2 erstmal have to prove.
Greeting
Martin
Antwort von utan:
Ok, for me it is synonymous not only a hobby but I deserve something synonymous with it.
The statement on the IS, I took out the manual of the EF adapter.
The Aperture is synonymous with EF Lens normally be controlled with the IRIS cog s.der XL. Even the automatic exposure function. The electrical contacts are transmitted, the adapter itself still has a battery.
Why does the top panel should be multiplied with anything? Then I did before just with Aperture 28 for 1400mm on the balcony in the shade without reinforcement with 1 / 50 and filmed the wrong even more exposure - hardly ;-)
But I do not want to argue with you, but actually only moma with experiences that I went to help.
Antwort von sportsoccerfoot:
@ utan: I had devoted myself, alas!
I had the XL2 only
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:Uu-qVY1IE_IJ:www.infinitycameras.com/viewitem-6694--CANON-XL2-KIT-% 2523-1 + canon + xl2 + price & hl = en & gl = de & ct = clnk & cd = 121! Whether this is a legal Page but I do not know!
Cameras are usually used in policy or is turned on to therein often "worn out" goods?
Thanks again for your posting!
Moritz
Antwort von utan:
For the price I would be suspicious of evil - are a few such sites in the U.S. with such top prices, s.and to appear synonymous users were given the appearance of their product synonymous delivered as promised, others never saw what - believe were synonymous in this forum some threads to fall, the name of the "company" to me but are not produced.
In case of doubt (as the XL1, at least, unfortunately, has no head hour meter), get it checked by Canon camera before the purchase with the seller agree, or if not redemption iO cost, I do not know, but for a camera that's not as cheap pays the ev In the long run ...
Antwort von moma:
OK, many, many thanks again for your many answers! If you encounter issues, I will report myself, otherwise I may rectify what I chose! ;-)
Antwort von utan:
please - I'm glad if I could return to the Forum synonymous times what - that also came with the purchase decision question XL1 or not in here :-)
Antwort von moma:
please - I'm glad if I could return to the Forum synonymous times what - that also came with the purchase decision question XL1 or not in here :-) I've seen! Perhaps one more final questions! What exactly is fuzzy? Can you define it?
I'm far more pictures of small Panasonic, JVC or Canon camcorders used to!
I can not imagine me correctly the picture quality difference!
I suppose I should really be time for a day filming with a camera and see what the result! ;-)
Perhaps it is easier for me when one speaks in TV quality! =)
Antwort von utan:
Yes definitely try just once :-)
Quite frankly, if I right now respectively in a few weeks would have to buy a camera in the store, then I would of the data here, the Canon XH A1 is very interesting, since the XL H1, but according to my scale is simply too expensive. I like stop the HDV format yet, especially since it can be recorded inexpensive synonymous.
But by handling well but then I would be missing something, but the picture would be of a different class ..
For DSLRs ists same thing.
Have yourself ne 1D, which has by far not the 10MP camera like the new entry-400D, but when I held it for the first time in my hand, I did not like them.
Antwort von GrolmangHat26:
I just found a forum here in the slash site, giving the cameras! Unteranderem the Canon XL1S! No loan is in Cologne (I live there)! 'm Going to see if I can borrow it soon.
Antwort von Marl Karx:
I just found a forum here in the slash site, giving the cameras! Unteranderem the Canon XL1S! No loan is in Cologne (I live there)! 'm Going to see if I can borrow it soon. prefer to lend xls. more pixel and true 16:9
Antwort von Marl Karx:
I just found a forum here in the slash site, giving the cameras! Unteranderem the Canon XL1S! No loan is in Cologne (I live there)! 'm Going to see if I can borrow it soon.
prefer to lend xls. more pixel and true 16:9 : pardon
xl2
Antwort von moma1:
@ marl karx: Unfortunately, they only lead the XL1S me then it must probably look at a different dealer!
Antwort von moma1:
Hi,
just found this http://www.zoommania.com/9549a001.html American website, the XL2. Perhaps someone has experience with this provider?
Have arrived on this Page http://www.bizrate.com/camcorders/pid93593158/ s.The Camera!
With what additional costs you have to purchase an America (%~)? expected How about the guarantee?
Hope for answers
moma
Antwort von prem:
from America? hä? you want to shoot pal or ntsc?
Antwort von Lothar1:
here is an alternative that is cheap and not bad for Frima Novoflex there Adapeter that are suitable for all common Lenses s.der XL1/XL2. I have bought some and then pursuing s.meiner XL2 lens with a Nikon 400 mm. However, you need a lot of experience, because everything (Sharpness and Aperture) manual is. In addition, a heavy tripod is absolutely necessary, otherwise you can thus do nothing. It is recommended synonymous, a zoom lens to capture the filming of animals ". Otherwise you are looking you dead
Pans are almost excluded, since at the calmest of focal hand tremor leads to results.
Gruss
Lothar
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Perhaps someone has experience with this provider? Hello moma,
the disadvantages of a camera purchase in the U.S. have been described in detail in this forum so many times that you determine the search function to help. In the particular case, the question arises, however, not at all, for not sending this U.S. Dealers generally abroad.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von moma1:
Hi,
had once again a probably not exactly answerable question, I would help some estimates, however.
I'm coming after me at Photokina, the XL2 and XL H1 have looked at the decision to buy a little closer.
I would be interested in the moment, how much the price differ loss in the Comparison of HDV is likely to "normalauflösenden" cameras in the next few years.
Can I purchase a rake in the XL2 with the fact that I can get in about 4 years ago, half the current price?
Gestzuklammern Up Price s.dem loss of XL1 is of little use to me because, right?
Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm interested in at the moment but rather a burning and maybe it is me in the purchase decision to be something to help.
Mfg.
Moritz
Antwort von DaJona:
Servus.
I schonmal XL2 with the adapter and the Canon Ef 100-400mm f/4-5.6 Sigma 150mm Macro L unde the test over the weekend and was very impressed of the macros.
Here are a few test pictures:
(It hadelt are raw images without any editing ...)
http://www.igreen.de/Schrecke.jpg
http://www.igreen.de/Schrecke2.jpg
http://www.igreen.de/Fliege1.jpg
http://www.igreen.de/Fliege2.jpg
Who didn't danzu questions ... maybe I can help.
Now my concern:
Has someone already made experiences with the H1 and the Ef-adapter?
Does the synonymous so easily? Perhaps you can help me?
Regards
daJona
Antwort von utan:
Have now with my new tripod made a trip to the zoo.
For all those interested in how the material from an XL1 with the adapter and Canon EF 70-200 4L looks like I've just cut up the material and with some background sound.
It was my first attempt with the camera lens and the bulk of the images was created with 1400mm (KB), so please do not have too great expectations s.den clip ;-)
Title:
The monkeys of the Zurich Zoo - A few impressions from the life of the monkeys Raphael Hitz
Duration: 7:45 min
Copyright (Picture & Sound): UTAN Productions - Raphael Hitz
WMV 720x576 89MB384x288 WMV 29MB
Antwort von Muecke2:
@ utan: What kind of tripod / head you've used?
Antwort von utan:
Manfrotto 501/525
Antwort von Muecke2:
Thank you very much! Is a beautiful short film made. How then closed the focusing of the viewfinder?
Antwort von utan:
Merci for the compliment.
Well the viewfinder is not the Brüller stop already, but cleared when the object through the skin already. The real problem is with a focal of 1400mm, that the depth of sharpness is very low. Manually Scharfziehen in moving object, but would need some practice, I guess ..
Antwort von Muecke2:
@ utan: Do you think your experience because after that the 501/525er synonymous for focal lengths of 2800mm (100 - 400mm) may be appropriate?
I'm going to come after Easter Süd-/Mittelschweden and would like to get some time in the initial experience with the XL2. This I want to buy in the near future.
I post at the moment (guest), but I am actually "moma" I'm just not logged.
Regards
Antwort von utan:
2800mm is then stop at a very very ...
a recommendation whether the tripod the right one for you I will not give it here, it had only synonymous s.diesem an afternoon at the zoo in einsatz with the xl1, I now almost exclusively with the sony hc1 movies.
Therefore, I s.nicht the 503er head used because of the hc1 would be too easy for it. rc128 was preceded by a head with legs 190s and am very pleased with the new combo. often we hear negative because of the friction drag & Rebounce problems, but the true price for the service for me.
