Frage von Skifahrer:
Hello,
I'm looking for a progressive-scan camera <1000 ¬.
Currently, I have found only SonyDCR-HC90E that meets these criteria.
My other requirements are not very high:
- Photo is absolutely no preference function ...
- 16:9 may not be
- FireWire out is * * must * in * is no preference
- At least 15x optical zoom should really be (that's why I write at all, otherwise I would have had the Sony)
- From her picture I like these new mini-devices are not at all.
Oh - yes, "robust," it should be, because outdoor use ...
Do you know even a camera that has these properties?
And again before the usual "get progressive-Comments: I want to use the camera to create video studies of the ski race training. The whole is held s.Laptop to deliver when the Progressive images just better statues. I was messing around with deinterlacing, but it just does not reach the same quality (especially in fast movements such as tilting) of the slalom pole, like a real progressive. Since last year I had the pleasure of test shots of another group to get to the calculator and was thrilled.
Michael
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
ne is probably the most used, the cheapest decent progressive camera is the JVC GR PD 1
JVC PD 1
Aber groß unter 1500 ¬ wirst Du nicht kommen.
oder
Panasonic AG DVX 100
Panasonic AG DVX 100 But still lies about it.
The choice is yours ....
LG
January
Antwort von molch:
I see the pd1 synonymous as the only solution.
or the panasonic gs400 gibts ja synonymous to the frame mode.
supposedly, according pana3ccduser.com, is this synonymous with no resolution loss.
But that would pd1 useful as it synonymous with 50 full frames per second can be recorded.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well, the PD1 can possibly some specials, which they raise into a sort of "intermediate" to HDV cameras.
But take into account that one must then edit synonymous m2t Files and cut - which calls for a halt to the respective PC in accordance with high quality software.
Antwort von baddimi:
Should you not only about the beauty of individual images to go Sonderm genuine movement analysis, it would be interlaced images, however revealing, because that is synonymous for a time component is included. With short exposure times and a simple deinterlacer are on a very accurate picture then, how much has become an object continues to move within 50 seconds. How would therefore be filmed by Tripod from all parts simply unmoved and sharp so far, everything in motion but depending on the speed a bit fuzzier and duplicated. Start and end point nach1/50 sec so both are available on a picture and allow for interesting analysis. I would see as a major advantage
Antwort von wolfgang:
The hypothesis that the progressive images had a disadvantage in this respect, however, I think an old, now rather outdated misconception.
Leaving aside the fact that the PD1 as well via component outputs certainly 50p ... But what Michael would probably do no good, because he wants to look at the images progressively s.Laptop.
Antwort von domain:
It probably depends on what you want to show with the individual images. Should they be shown for skiers Picture Picture succession to demonstrate their movement, then the progressive method is as synonymous usual way, of course, have the advantage. But if you make less than coach a public appeal but further analysis, one could make the plight of the interlace method almost a virtue. For example, the driver inside the 1 / 50 sec with one hand back and / or snaps, the others before, that would be seen on the mixed picture in relation to his Gesamtvorwärtsbewegung very good. Weggepeitschte in a slalom poles would look like this: The bottom bracket was still sharp, upward you would see 2 V-shaped diverging rods, provided the exposure time would thus be less than 1 / 250 for the two fields.
LG Helmut
Antwort von sama:
If you are interested s.der PD1, it is worth reinzuwerfen out and returned to look at eBay. The camera was in the past few weeks there, often sold at prices between 1,000 and 1,200 euros.
Marco
Antwort von PowerMac:
The hypothesis that the progressive images had a disadvantage in this respect, however, I think an old, now rather outdated misconception. And with what justification?
Antwort von Holger:
times, the Canon Stillimage - Digicams (especially the S2 IS) look. The draw qualititativ erstaunich good videos with 30 progressive frames / sec on and have great zoom range, image stabilizer, etc.
Might be an alternative.
There are now supposed to even record the 60 fps in VGA digicam.
Antwort von wolfgang:
From practice. Look at times in this respect to test material. For JVC gibts long been at the JVC HD101 PRO HD, the smooth motion concept.
And even mentioned here, much cheaper PD1 exit in the output of HiRes images over component with 50p.
Antwort von dawidi:
I am sorry that this old topic again anstubse:
I'm synonymous for a cheap DV cam with 25p mode searched (because my target medium DivX videos) and I finally got the Canon MV30i, used just once for $ 200 on ebay - maybe that'd what?
The picture quality is great (well, I had previously used VHS-C * g *) has an optical stabilizer, and the thing, but only 12x zoom.
(The NTSC version is called "Optura Pi" and has 30p and Analog-In, which of course would have been even cooler)
Canon itself is, unfortunately, is almost no information about the thing - the consumer market seems to have been anno 2000 not ready for progressive scan ...
Antwort von Jan:
About the Progressive function of the HC 90 or the other one can argue.
Actually, they do not take full frames superimposed on making only 2 Halbildern one frame and the in the price range even with fairly modest quality.
I was more real to me recently, a Picture of me for the Progressive Camera PD 1 to the 25 P or 50 P records and can be had at the moment for ¬ 1000.
The differences for the HC 90 are already enormous, the HC 90 P function, however, is a toy. Well yes you 1was PD synonymous times as long to ¬ 2000.
If the MV P function 30 i really convincing?
LG
January
Antwort von dawidi:
with the other cameras I unfortunately have no experience in it budgetbedingt - $ 1,000 and more are not for me, I finally got other hobbies * g *
If the MV P function 30 i really convincing? in any case it is "totally genuine progressive without really cheating" and
hardwareinterpoliert no
frame or
fashion, or some other nonsense ;-)
Has synonymous surprised me, especially since the camera is already 5 years old, and the feature synonymous with only three lines mentioned in the manual. The handling also works simply by the mode switch in addition to "VCR", "OFF" and "MOVIE" or the position "P. SCAN" offers.
For presentable recordings that breaking this mode "" () So very fast movements with good lighting, I am not yet come, but if of interest I can make sowas mal.
What I had were pictures of fast-spinning rotor blades () for model helicopters, with short shutter times gabs there a very nice
filmlike strobe-effect :-)
By the way, the viewing of DV-AVI to watch out for! The DV codec I have deinterlaziert, (you can write like that?) In the AVI playback in any media player and all variants swallowed while one half frame, or for per-scan images just half of the full screen! In VirtualDub or after the conversion to DivX or MJPEG we then synonymous with normal playing the full resolution. This nice feature type can not disable in the settings of the codec, you can just halve the playback resolution as a whole or cut into quarters.
Antwort von wolfgang:
What you are using the DV codec?
Antwort von dawidi:
pdvcodec.dll - of Panasonic, no idea what version.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Could be the old Panasonic DV codec - and if so, then it is probably really old.
Antwort von Chris2:
Used Canon XM-1. Again and again get for about 1,000 euros on eBay.
