Frage von ice:
So, after I have in the past always have a professional paid speaker for a vertonung fiilme, but we now have international economic crisis, I thought I invest the time honorar but turn into a more or less professional equipment and experimental times myself
said than done, according to several studies testberichte I have a Shure SM 58 LC At length, and a Behringer MIC 100 Tube Amplifier plus tripod and pop killer
from the amplifier is on line in / out to the entrance of my laptops, the recording is handled by audacity
so far, so good - or maybe not ... the first results are in fact extremely disappointing, but you can hear a (, in my opinion) very loud noise ... synonymous if the "production" is far from having profistudo conditions occurred, but only in a small, windowless chamber, there ought to be more in there, I get even better results with my rode mic on my panasonic cam!
in fact I am almost certain that it is less s.equipment or the reception is, but that I probably beat up the one or the other setting or the individual components with larger intervals up must
But before I try out dozens of possibilities, I thought, I'll ask at times if anyone can attached samples using the tips or give advice - the best, thanks in advance!
http://www.sendspace.com/file/aabw8u
Antwort von hofnarr:
So ... s.sm58 there is no more. This is indeed a veteran among dynamic microphones, and more on the stage are at home, but it is definitely not rushing like a waterfall.
the behringer I would not be so sure. has apparently blocked a tube somewhere in the signal path and still not cost 50 euro. the company with one sm58 I assume that the "gain" controller s.behringer must be pretty cranked. a part of the rhythmic sound that could well arise.
the third, there is the line-in s.laptop. there is often installed only Mittelprächtige quality, which tends to be quite happy to rustle. a USB or firewire audio interface would be the better solution. to operate with one sm58 it should be but one with mic reasonable.
with the settings you should be at the top of the (; check software) mixer in the laptop in order to exclude setting errors s.dieser stelle. modulation null db s.behringer should result in approximately zero db audacity. to-noise gone there you need with the controllers 'output' s.behringer, and the line controller s.windows out-mixer itself.
if you get only one channel in a reasonable quality microphone to the computer you want, then look at the centrance micport to pro. in connection with a laptop an impeccable combination:
http://www.centrance.com/products/mp/
Antwort von ice:
first time thanks for the quick response
as I see it, I have at least four controller, I can turn s.denen:
gain s.behringer
output s.behringer
audacity recording volume
line in windows
can one say in general, as each controller should be optimally, such as "low and to gain a better line in higher "...? etc. ..
Antwort von unodostres:
So: first, the SM58 is not bad, but rather meant for the stage. If you want to have a clear voice I would always recommend a condenser mic.
The Behringer preamp I know, I once had. Since never Behringer. He is of my opinion of überhaubt nothing. Invest approximately 130 ¬ in a TB101 or so of SM ProAudio. They're really good. And relatively cheap.
Then, as already mentioned here has been the biggest sticking point, of course, that you go through s.Laptop the normal microphone input. The good for nothing. The converters that are installed are not really suitable for the recorder. Here is an audio interface must be devised.
Last but not least, of course, plays the major role ne software. In particular, the effect options, etc.. Audiacity is nice, but nothing that should be professionally committed. Unfortunately, really good audio software is synonymous really good expensive. Magix Samplitude Pro is the one of the top dogs, and suggests with slack thousand euros to book, but one of the best products in my opinion.
In addition, one must deal with the issue a bit. Tip:
If it smokes a little Dehisser. Apply to voice always a compressor and the rest with the EQ. But the thing is that you with normal speakers do not really hear what you're doing. So have eigendlich still reasonable linear intercept speaker ago.
Antwort von hofnarr:
can one say in general, as each controller should be optimally, such as "low and to gain a better line in higher "...? etc. .. the gain for dynamic microphones s.behringer you will anyway have to turn up in order to achieve the required amplification factor to. The output should be set so that the line input s.laptop (,-10dBV, less may be synonymous?) not get run over by it. respectable: the connection to the line-in is unbalanced, the output beschriftung s.behringer presumably refers to balanced signal guidance.
The recording volume in audacity remains at 1.0. windows are in-line set so that when the recording level meter s.behringer roughly the same display as the meter in the recording software used in each case.
by experimenting with the controllers 'output' s.behringer and "line-in in windows you can (;) within certain limits to find out possible low-noise setting. anyway is make the recording with the internal audio chip in most of the laptop with only modest quality possible.
Antwort von carstenkurz:
If the laptop has not really terribly poor audio hardware, you can unravel with line level s.Input synonymous quite decent shots. Of course not, if this is actually a microphone input, is achieved with the 'Line' only by lowering the sensitivity to the amplifier.
The Behringer preamp seems to me, at least in the long run is not really ne good choice to be. These low-Röhrenmicamps are more effects devices as a preamp.
Now, however, is whether the responsibility for the violent noise, I do not think so. You can once synonymous nen headphones directly s.den output hang the Behringer to verify this.
In the long run, I would rather you to a simple small mixer (; Behringer may be synonymous) with phantom supply, a reasonably usable LED VU meters and advice to a condenser microphone. Is unlikely to cost more than what you have now. If you have the big T or M purchased in the shipping, you can use the stuff and perhaps even exchange.
Kondensatormic should cost less than 130-150 euros. Dafür gibts already well branded. However, should not mean that it does not go with the SM58, but it's just a musician-in microphone for live performance, but provided that one (from a short distance; with) significant bass boost very pure singing out loud. Not really a speaker microphone. A condenser microphone gives you synonymous twice or three times signal strength and therefore less noise risk.
But:
First of all ne test shot without any devices s.line-In the notebook, and a headphone s.Lineout.
Then time to play with the Windows mixer controls. Of course it is important to be in the Windows mixer - the Rec / recording side chooses not playing around and pointlessly s.den controls the playback page. On many sound cards are torn up all the default controller in the host mixer and there is already some s.Noise come together - often synonymous gets the laptop's built-in micro pure or with, the rushes s.schlimmsten course, always. Without wishing to be characterized as synonymous therefore not used to signal inputs. And not all of them are 'real' digital and not rushing.
In other words: First understand how the Windows sound mixer, or the hardware functions of the notebook at all. For the recording all the inputs / regulator EXCEPT the line-in runtergeregelt / disabled have to be. Because of possible cross-talk, etc. I think that is synonymous with the playback side so - at best, the Wave Out I'll be open for monitoring via headphones, all the rest do not need performance is reduced or turned off. Aufnahmeseitig of synonymous master regulator fully on.
Typically, in the audio hardware attenuator installed in the mixer - the best signal quality you get in the contaminated audio hardware of a laptop, of course, if one goes in with as much level. Of course not so much that it distorted. The Line-In control of the Windows mixer should be at least ideally, fully on / above have. Typically, this means that when 1:1 signal to pass through, therefore, is not reinforced. For the reinforcement should be responsible solely to the Behringer, who knows that better than the notebook.
If you're unlucky, it means depending on the hardware built-up but once synonymous ne additional, unnecessary poor gain through the mixer. But I know, before inputs combined with Micro / Line Functionality time outside, only those with attenuators, therefore, fully in line mixer on. If no signal then s.Input synonymous imperceptible murmur. As for the Behringer, I'd set the controller for the output level as high as possible, and then only if the gain knob that input in the laptop is not distorted. This clip you see in Audacity - the peaks may not encounter s.The 'ceiling'.
In addition, you've got a mono signal - noise from the second channel is added unnecessarily to - so even the unused channel in Audacity mute or not at all
Antwort von ice:
So once again many thanks, first of many notes and answer, I will try everything in the next few days and then weiterschauen times - but still a few coments on its own Case:
audacity, I use just for the record, the sound editing done with sony vegas pro (; I on the company laptop may not be playing)
I am already aware that I still rohaufnahme with eq, compressor and hall effects can and must supplement, only that the noise I do not get picked in the order, at least not completely - and I am still of the opinion (; Hope) that they can better manage rohaufnahme
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Maybe you can limit the times and make a recording while changing the angle adjustment. Of course, this must be synonymous documented. Perhaps synonymous with record, the following cases:
1.) All controls down
2.) Windows Line - In open
3.) Behringer line-out open
4.) Gain open.
5.) Micro connected / disconnected.
So you can get an impression, where the noise might arise.
Frankly, I find your choice of units synonymous interesting.
Berßen would mE a condenser microphone and a simple small mixer.
I got a few days ago before the same Propblem:
I have two Kondensatormikrofopne recorded in parallel. A T-Bone SC 450 (; Großmenmbran) and a Sennheiser E865 (; vocal mic). The whole thing was a small Behringer mixer of a sound card Marian Marc8 in a desktop PC.
My Wahhl ultimately fell on the recording with the Sennheiser. But is synonymous matter of taste. The whole setup is not Higth-tech but quite usable. However, more than a built-in laptop soundcard.
A friend of my features with an external sound card of Edirol (; without further amplifier) and on a T-Bone 450 his podcasts. Is synonymous OK.
There are of synonymous small Behringer mixer, which already has a USB port, and have therefore already represent a combination of interface and mixer. That could (; synonymous price) is an interesting option for you to be.
There is now synonymous quite serviceable USB Large Diaphragm, among others: synonymous Varinate one of the above mentioned SC 450, the T. BONE SC450 USB. With 99 - that certainly is not expensive and could be a useful introduction to his dubbing.
If you are in the greeting "T" to order via the Internet, there is still a synonymous of return. So there is no financial risk in the test ....
The Audacity recording itself is sufficient.
Antwort von ice:
I had ordered from doing in the big T to test the following microphones:
Shure SM 58 LC
Samson C03U
AKG Perception 220
I initially had the impression that Shure objectively deliver the best results, but I think I'll try the others again, especially here, so the prevailing opinion, a micro-capacitor is the better alternative for my purposes
Antwort von thos-berlin:
The Samson said of you is but a USB-Micro. We were then as the results? Finally, since it does not have the tube amp, nor the laptop uses Lin-in.
Often one is confronted with the recorded voice of its own synonymous with very large prejudices that come from this that you hear yourself differently than do the ANDW it.
I would imagine that the result with the Samson is much better for you if you have been playing around in the audio software with the effects of something. With the tone control to try something more centers and a compressor times.
Antwort von ice:
Often one is confronted with the recorded voice of its own synonymous with very large prejudices that come from this that you hear yourself differently than do the ANDW it.
As I said, I do not disturb me s.klang I agree, but s.dem due to background noise in the recording, I also thought "flat", with a micro-amplifier should deliver the results better than a regular amplifier without micro usb
Antwort von thos-berlin:
IOM moment but is still a question in the space where the noise comes. Was it with the USB Micro less?
Could the noise (and I can not listen to me here, unfortunately, synonymous) be the fan of the laptop? Then a larger distance to the microcode schion would bring a lot.
Antwort von ice:
IOM moment but is still a question in the space where the noise comes. Was it with the USB Micro less?
Could the noise (and I can not listen to me here, unfortunately, synonymous) be the fan of the laptop? Then a larger distance to the microcode schion would bring a lot. unfortunately, I have received the sample with the micro usb only deleted once, I had indeed set to the shure what the rest of my recollection out synonymous s.anfang much less rushed
The laptop fan, it may be my opinion not have been
Antwort von david2:
Behringer Noise is Inger. Old saying among us sound engineers.
Also: Is it raining? Nope, the master of Behringer is open.
I had a few Spüche that helps you now, not next synonymous.
Can you return the interface somehow? And another
? obtain
M-Audio and Presonus are not so expensive but have been of use to me with good experience.
Antwort von ice:
Behringer Noise is Inger. Old saying among us sound engineers.
Also: Is it raining? Nope, the master of Behringer is open.
I had a few Spüche that helps you now, not next synonymous.
Can you return the interface somehow? And another
? obtain
M-Audio and Presonus are not so expensive but have been of use to me with good experience. funny, I actually had quite a good read by testberichte behringer - if I can give back, I do not know the 2 week period has expired, and certainly by the large T it is not synonymous ... in the worst case, I would stop him with something loss selling at the big E
Antwort von Meggs:
Behringer Noise is Inger. Old saying among us sound engineers.
Also: Is it raining? Nope, the master of Behringer is open.
Not at all true - all the sayings of this kind are usually unverified preconceptions. If a Behringer unit roars, it is clear that prejudice. If a device Mackie rushes, one looks for the cause. Most Behringer devices have a very good price / performance ratio. Despite a 10 times more expensive competitor, of course, rushing a bit less.
I would suggest synonymous to review individually the signal chain.
During our introductory preamp input and output over the medium values, where it is less roars: VV-output high, low input notebook or vice versa. Similarly, when Vorverstärker-Input/Output.
If you unplug the Micro and the noise is gone, then threw the mike on, otherwise the signal chain after wars.
Antwort von carstenkurz:
Behringer does not have to produce a waterfall. Sowas are definitely setting error.
Lack of technical knowledge - you have to familiarize halt. Of course, synonymous USB microphones include an amp, but will not halt the separately visible to the user. Synonymous One could say that it is optimally adapted to the outset of the Microphone.
For a beginner, without the necessary Grundverständiss is someting even better, as we see s.deinem example. With such a USB-Micro fact you can not set the wrong half a dozen regulators, and the crude laptop audio hardware does not then still synonymous with purely the result. At Thomann gibts synonymous cheap XLR - USB adapter that can be used with any dynamic microphones.
Sound no idea, but certainly for beginners or occasional users are also far less critical in the application, as long as it is only for podcasts, voice recordings, etc..
http://www.thomann.de/de/the_tbone_usb1x.htm
Similar models gibts be synonymous for more money of some official company:
http://www.thomann.de/de/the_tbone_micplug_usb.htm
http://www.thomann.de/de/the_tbone_mb88u_dual.htm
http://www.thomann.de/de/blue_icicle.htm
http://www.thomann.de/de/mxl_mic_mate.htm
Perhaps prefer to take erstmal sowas and sell the Behringer amp again. The Shure is sure erstmal not so bad. I think a song Micro but not for the reasons given above optimal. Discussed from a short distance makes it a bit because of the proximity effect erstmal nen 'fuller' effect and may therefore erstmal sound subjectively better than neutral mics. However, can the situation change, depending on the interception synonymous quickly. About what kind of speakers you have listened to the test shots, then?
- Carsten
Antwort von ice:
well, read a little, I had already - otherwise I would have not even ordered both a dynamic, a capacitor and a USB microphone ... and what I might have something better to put out: that was rushing on my first comparative much lower, so I'm not at 2nd test assumed that there is a less hardware, but rather is an adjustment errors
I have not played through the sound samples synonymous boxing, but with the headphones s.pc intercepted
Antwort von carstenkurz:
Headphones are synonymous erstmal correct. Give it stop again. On Behringer phantom power off, drop out. Ins Micro speak, set to gain meter, output level to mid erstmal. On the notebook as I said in the blender features for playback only erstmal WaveOut and master out full on, looking far from (; LineIn might be better for real-time monitoring, software monitoring via Audacity), and Line-in Recording Mixer only to master fully, once synonymous whether there somewhere there are other settings, input switching, mic / line or configure anything on line.
And then you regels control of the audio line inputs with only the output level of the Behringer.
I know only the Mac version of Audacity, but strongly suspect that is synonymous with Windows, the Audacity audio controls for the control of the recording device exactly the same as the line-in in Windows recording mixer. Both times to try and see if the change in parallel.
- Carsten
