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Frage von fischi:


Hello,

A video has a dummy s.euch question because of the purchase of a camcorder.
In addition, I describe what you s.besten my previous experience with video was:

I have video so far under the rowing training for visualization and analysis of rowing technique used with my teams. In addition, with a simple video camera (MiniDV), the teams filmed, and then s.Television the videos angsehen and with single shots and slow motion analysis.

The resulting recordings were in general not finished, cut and continue. So either be dubbed or grave in the data stores.

I now turn to a simple way the teams short video clips on a USB stick or to download a web page of available places. (Because the file size is better in DV resolution)

I have times with a firewire card and capture of a MiniDV camcorder made, but the effort was quite large.

Now the new purchase on a camcorder, and I ask you which system I should be able to decide.
The price range for the camera moves at max 850 EUR.

For me now make the following basic questions:

1. DV, HDV or AVCHD?

For the dissemination of the video, it would be because of the size s.Besten I probably would remain in the DV format. The Resolutionund higher image quality of the HDV devices irritates me of course.

2. HD, SD or MiniDV format.

I thought when the camcorders are working with file storage simply a transfer of video clips should be possible. Sound for me is in this scenario is not important.
I imagine the following workflow steps:
1.Videosequenzen on the hard drive pull.
2a. Possibly. a couple of seconds off s.Anfang or two video clips to a video clip merge, but this is optional.
2. In the resolution required lights.
3.Als avi, wmf, mpeg, etc. pass.

The best should happen under Linux. If the Windows only to get through, but then onwäre for software tips appreciated.

Or is this a desire not to meet is.

3. Is the modern with HDV cameras a view of the camera directly to a television possible.
What is needed is a control of the camera with a remote control including frame, frame forward / back, slow motion forward / back.

I now had the Panasonic HDC SD 5 in the short put option. Had the thing suitable for my needs or do you have other tips. Also a Canon HG10 would give me very much.

Thank you for reading and for all the answers.

Schöne grüße
Andreas

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

You should know what you like is important:
Preferring high resolution motion for rudder error (I hit my times from amateurishly) to be analyzed - if so, stay in DV. All other standard PAL alternatives with DVD, memory card or hard drive to solve movements worse.

To ensure maximum sharpness - then it is essentially on your workflow to another.

You can only HDV in real time on the PC, but out of there quite easily in all of the desired target format (synonymous for the Web) weiterverwursten.

AVCHD or MPEG-4-memory camcorder: Legal faster transfer to the PC, but then the horror begins ...

Long story short, I would give PAL-DV camcorder and keep me in case of doubt, more to worry about (and here specifically to ask), how you put your videos weiterverwursten can. I would give the team the videos as a video DVD burn. Do you have a suitable Authoring-/Encodersoftware?
Click here for the web search times: There's no ideal solution. MPEG-1 is running everywhere, but it is relatively space-consuming, Windows Media Video or Quicktime has not synonymous everyone DivX ditto.

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Antwort von fischi:

Hello,

Many thanks for your answer.

"Quadruplex" wrote: You should know what you like is important:
Preferring high resolution motion for rudder error (I hit my times from amateurishly) to be analyzed - if so, stay in DV. All other standard PAL alternatives with DVD, memory card or hard drive to solve movements worse.


Thank you, this is sometimes interesting to hear. Rudder movements are probably in Comparison to skateboarders very slowly, but the movement is very important resolution. Above all, I have good frames are very important.

Does you mean now synonymous HDV and AVCHD from?

"Quadruplex" wrote:
To ensure maximum sharpness - then it is essentially on your workflow to another.

You can only HDV in real time on the PC, but out of there quite easily in all of the desired target format (synonymous for the Web) weiterverwursten.

AVCHD or MPEG-4-memory camcorder: Legal faster transfer to the PC, but then the horror begins ...

Click here for the web search times: There's no ideal solution. MPEG-1 is running everywhere, but it is relatively space-consuming, Windows Media Video or Quicktime has not synonymous everyone DivX ditto.


At the moment, I do not own camcorder. So far, I have always borrowed equipment (association, club, etc.).
The acquisition of a MiniDV camcorder, I have sometimes with movies under Linux, however, was the handling / time rather disappointed.

DVD's I would not like to burn, because for me at home lying in masses. I prefer to actually file exchange.

I'm actually more from the photo corner and there goes the publication of digital photos actually very simple.
1. From the Camera to the PC drag.
2. Sighting
3. possibly short processing
4. On a WebGallery transfer. All in all, one thing in null komma nix done.

I have a similar workflow actually synonymous for videos you want.

What camcorder would you rate me then.
It is important to me when camcorder accessories synonymous a good remote control.

schöne grüße
andreas

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

"fischi" wrote: Above all, I have good frames are very important. Does you mean now synonymous HDV and AVCHD from?
HDV is not basic, AVCHD, though - but for other reasons. Please use the search here. For web or distributing movies on USB sticks, but should all HD images at the moment rather unsuitable, or only when both the image as a movement synonymous resolution strongly herunterrechnet - and then you see nothing more of HD.
"fischi" wrote: The acquisition of a MiniDV camcorder, I have sometimes with movies under Linux, however, was the handling / time rather disappointed.
If you like a box with Winbugs XP or Mac OSX available? Linux (exactly: for the available programs) for video editing is currently not a hit - unfortunately ...
"fischi" wrote: DVD's I would not like to burn, because for me at home lying in masses. I prefer to actually file exchange.
You want your videos but synonymous s.andere distribute? Can you say how long the video is typical? You seem you have not yet Vorstelllung about it, what Speicher-/Datentransferraten on the Web will be incurred ...
"fischi" wrote: I'm actually more from the photo corner and there goes the publication of digital photos actually very simple.
1. From the Camera to the PC drag.
2. Sighting
3. possibly short processing
4. On a WebGallery transfer. All in all, one thing in null komma nix done.

I have a similar workflow actually synonymous for videos you want.

I am happy to correct you - but how to do it with my knowledge, no video. And, as I said: You seem to you about many of the problems still not coming in to be clear.

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Antwort von michimalheur:

Hello,

Thank you for your answers, I hope I pester the other Froumsnutzer not too much with my amateur questions.

Now for the answers to the questions:

Yes, I have a Windows installation on my calculator.

The videos are so typical around 2-5 min. long. In my first attempts, I have files of approximately 60 - 150MB receive. I can do it easily on a USB stick pack.

Thus I have a rough idea of the actual problems, I'm here.

But I have now actually feel it rather than a DV HDV camcorder will be.

schöne grüße
Andreas

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

"Anonymous" wrote: Yes, I have a Windows installation on my calculator.
Ok. I suppose you have a calculator with Firewire contact. In addition to the Movie Maker, there's still two other free Windows-Programs, the DV on the hard drive over to play. The free VirtualDub or VirtualDubMod can's synonymous - to my knowledge but with slightly less comfort. On this last point may be like other comment - I certainly am not.
If it's just a matter of shortening and interplay of copying scenes goes, would VirtualDub synonymous rich - or the Movie Maker, if you at least version 2.x on the record searched.
"Anonymous" wrote: The videos are so typical around 2-5 min. long. In my first attempts, I have files of approximately 60 - 150MB receive. I can do it easily on a USB stick pack.
Certainly no more than computer hardware. Thou knowest not coincidentally, in what format you've exported your videos?
As always synonymous with DivX codec installed you could directly from VirtualDub to export to DivX, MPEG-1 (as I said: This is synonymous to ten years old mills without grumbling) with the free TMPGEnc. You can get also synonymous to the free Windows Media Video Encoder download.
Important for PC applications: At any point you need with suitable software to remove the anchor lines, new German: de-interlace. You do not see your videos on your PC monitor from scheiße. For VirtualDub's' nen Addition, DivX synonymous and my knowledge of the Windows Media Encoder offer but synonymous "ne appropriate option.
The original recordings (DV tapes cost nothing), I would archive them.

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Antwort von fischi:

Yes, firewire card is available.
As has said the capture ever worked.
I got the videos were exported as avi files. Codec I grad looking for: War with a DIVX Resolutionvon 640 * 480.
What can be because of a standard DV camcorder for a Resolutionerwarten?

Would you sample recordings bring what?

The question which now presents to me, somewhat synonymous in the future is the talk:
Would you give me now more of a camera like the Canon HV20 or something like the Panasonic NV320 or recommend something else?

schöne grüße
andreas

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

"fischi" wrote: War with a DIVX Resolutionvon 640 * 480. What can be because of a standard DV camcorder for a Resolutionerwarten?
720 x 576th The main difference between DV and other formats is: DV works only with a mild reduction in the data frames - for the ideal motion analysis. All other format - no preference as to whether s MPEG (DVD, HDV) always take multiple pictures together, blurred motion, therefore, faster times.
In your case, there is another problem about this: Almost all the camcorder take pictures with Skip on (-> search). On the TV screen is not disturbed, very s.PC monitor. If your people do their movies from the USB stick to watch, you have it previously, as described above, de-interlace, which is the motion resolution is not improved. I would be for distribution among the DVDs take Mitruderern - with 'nem good encoder (ProCoder) at the maximum bitrate and Skip-coding gives the best quality.
"fischi" wrote: Would you give me now more of a camera like the Canon HV20 or something like the Panasonic NV320 or recommend something else?
HDV is' ne good thing, but with the above (minor) restrictions on the movement resolution. You can get the part and buy it as in investment in the future. As Verteilmedium are currently only PAL compatible media / image resolutions sense. In other words: If your home club in your rowers have a high resolution screen, you can find your guys (and girls?) The recordings there in full sharpness perform (directly from the camcorder eoder a suitable notebook). After they take them home until further notice with what a normal PAL Resolutionmit. If in one or two years to change. So it is a Rechenexemempel. Frü the moment is enough for you PAL-DV.

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Antwort von fischi:

Hello,

erstmal again many thanks for your answer.

Onalso will probably be a DV camcorder.

What advice can you give me since.
Important as I said: Good Still Image or frames. Good handling of the remote control for quick analysis of the videos s.Television.

Then another question for Video Editing:
Now you gave me quite a few programs are recommended: ProCoder, VirtualDub, VirtualDubMod, TMPGEnc.
How do the comparison because the Linux video editing programs, and especially in relation to the results regarding image quality?
I have used: Movies, dvgrab, ffmpeg.

Would be nice if you still synonymous me what you say.

schöne grüße
andreas

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

"fischi" wrote: What advice can you give me since.
DCR-HC96E Panasonic NV-GS230EG-S oder NV-GS230EG-S
"fischi" wrote: Important as I said: Good Still Image or frames. Good handling of the remote control for quick analysis of the videos s.Television.
Now are you with the important details -
so far was only of passing on storage media or on the web to talk ...
It is not that DV tape immediately break off if you still scan or used - but it strained as tape camcorder. Because of the precise movement dissolution rate, I'm going to still be MiniDV. Synonymous yes I do believe that you do that already with DV camcorders have tamed. For permanent statues should you put your notebook on tapes but on play and perform out of there (requires a video s.Notebook or a flat TV with PC-functioning contact provided). Or you take the poor resolution in motion and purchase movie on (würg! Groan!) DVD or hard drive.
"fischi" wrote: How do the comparison because the Linux video editing programs, and especially in relation to the results regarding image quality?
I have used: Movies, dvgrab, ffmpeg.

Movies I do not know. DVGrab sounds like 'nem pure dubbing program - the changes are by definition not the quality - it can only funzen or not funzen. ffmpeg's synonymous for Winbugs.
Go but understands that cutting programs when DV material hard cuts unchanged and changes only in Picture (visors, title Inserts, tricks) about the quality of influence. With DV source material the picture is usually not an issue - there is much more stability and usability of the software in the foreground.


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