I would like to go some old vhs videos digitizer. It comes I am first and foremost on the picture to (besides my financial resources). I got me a few years ago a schonmal gets bought, analog videos that I like to convert mpeg2 (ads instant dvd 2.0). From the picture I was very disappointed. Everything was somehow 'pixlig' from (of course I have the highest quality level used). So I will now more in line with the approach, first all possible raw on my computer to get. I would me synonymous or buy two 300GB disks, and then a 'really good' codec drueberlaufen leave. That is me right now the question: - Which device is capable of me as raw image data to the computer transfer?
Some research led me to the "Canopus ADVC-110" brought. - What do you think of the device?
Unfortunately, I can no more than 200-300 euros. But if you have expensive proposals have, then let's hear. Maybe I'm saving;).
Mir is important that you should not notice that the whole was digitized. It should still look as good as the vhs bands.
Thanks for your help, Michael
Antwort von Volker Schauff:
Michael Isik wrote:
> Some research led me to the "Canopus ADVC-110" brought. > - What do you think of the device?
The ADVC-110 is good, probably one of the best DV converter you buy can (since DV is an open standard which provides coding are - Hauptsache any standard decoder can read it - and with converters and Encoding has Canopus ahead). However: - If you have no output from an editing program out need enough synonymous to the ADVC-55 - Do you need an MPEG encoder and authoring software, because DV rauskommt. - Should you for Canopus products synonymous return right after test (many dealers make so of the reform of the distance in Act Commissioning a usage fee to calculate könenn use) negotiate the compatibility of the Firewire interface is not as great, a firewire card with finding the perfect running things is not so simple.
> Unfortunately, I can no more than 200-300 euros. But if you have > More expensive, have suggestions, then let's hear. Maybe I'm saving;).
More pay would be rubbish, because the features of more expensive converters nothing bring, and sometimes even fail.
> I am, however, important that you should not notice that the whole > Has been digitized. It should still look as good as the vhs > Bands.
Even more important than the conversion (as synonymous ity a good TV card, However, there the quality varies model to model of strong and harder to set, for example, with the risk of asynchronous sound, it is synonymous), the MPEG encoder. I'm hard tu ne Recommendation out as I cross your posting in de.os.linux.hardware see because the best is an affordable Windows-based software, the Canopus Procoder Express.
If you have the Windows Workflow Digitizer with ADVC-110, filter with Virtualdub filter including a couple of third-party developers (with DV cache - for example, the free Panasonic DV codec to you can download) and encode with Procoder Express in price-performance ratio is the best way.
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Antwort von Günter_Hackel:
On 12.02.2006 17:34, Michael Isik wrote:
> Hello, > > I would like to go some old vhs videos digitizer.
Ooch, Du synonymous. for at least 3 hours no one has this question asked.
Antwort von Michael Heiming:
[Followup-To -> de.comp.tv video]
In comp.os.linux.hardware G? Nter Hackel : > On 12.02.2006 17:34, Michael Isik wrote:
>> Hello, >> >> I w? Would like to go some old vhs videos digitizer.
(I'd like to digitally remaster some old vhs tapes.)
> Ooch, Du synonymous. for at least 3 hours no one has this question > Asked.
LOL ...
(You too, since 3 hours none has asked this question.)
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Antwort von Michael Isik:
> The ADVC-110 is good, probably one of the best DV converter you buy > Can
Now, however, ask whether there are maps that best garnicht encode. At: http://www.dark-realms.de/index2.php?realm%technik&sub1%tech-video I've read that DV has a fixed bitrate (about 3mb per second), and in some cases is still too heavily compressed. So is there maps, the garnicht compress, for example, any tv cards?
Antwort von Volker Schauff:
Michael Isik wrote:
(for more cross-postings to avoid time now I have a follow-up in the video group set)
> Now, however, ask whether there are maps that best > Garnicht encode. At: > http://www.dark-realms.de/index2.php?realm%technik&sub1%tech-video > I've read that DV has a fixed bitrate (about 3mb per second), and > In some cases, therefore, to strongly compressed. So is there maps, > Garnicht to compress, for example, any tv cards?
Yes and no. I want off of DV to uncompressed. The problem DV is not at the fixed rate of 3.6MB / s. Blocking does because nem decent codec nix, sometimes at fast movements garnicht As with MPEG since no interframe comparisons take place. The only times that I really block artifacts in DV have seen (which may poorly chosen DCT coefficients actually occur because DV as well as MPEG Cosinustransformation works with discrete and Respect to the coefficients is an open standard) was in the ADS PyroAV in animated material (sharp edges -> high frequencies in the Picture). The problem is rather the Farbsubsampling after 4:2:0. That means you have a luminance (brightness) block of 2x2 pixels. in the first Line like this you have two Farbinfos, namely YR and YB (synonymous U and V called), the left and right neighboring pixels share this Color. This is normal, which makes the Digital Betacam Studio synonymous not much different (4:2:2) as the human eye a poorer spatial Resolutionbei colors than for brightness. DV goes inen next step. In 4:2:2, you have in the lower two lines of another two Farbinfos (U and V together for both neighboring pixels), but the lack of IR. So, the bottom of the two lines on the Farbinfos located on the back row. That works pretty well synonymous, MPEG makes it synonymous. However, there are MPEG, on the one hand and Field Farbbezüge frame, on the other is the sampling point at different MPEG. DV refers basically fieldbasiert. This was the moment when you have progressive images (synthetic images as inserted by Titler, PAL Speedup of material Feature film, still images in which no more movement in it) to follow, that at certain oblique contours pretty disgusting Treppchen form. You can try the following times. Take a Picture in 720x576 you swung in a bold red font on blue hinschreibst something. The Lad in a video editing program and encode as the DV and lossy than anything else (if you have a Codec to do with MJPEG 4:2:2 - zb www.morgan-multimedia.com is the only time, but not functionally limited) and once as a loss-free (Lossless MJPEG of Picvideo, HuffYUV). Then look at the edges of the font. The result DV is anything but beautiful.
With very noisy video footage, I'm still somewhat skeptical synonymous, synonymous if I have to admit that I have no material has come really problematic for DV would have been.
The main advantages of DV are just be that you almost just boxes with converters get really good (a few exceptions prove the rule), Installation is easy (true plug and play without Treibergewusel), you have a standardized external interface (Firewire) searched the not of whims of driver developers or new PCI-alternatives is dependent on the compression of the exceptional quality of the subsampling only at certain progressive striking images is very high and the amount of data to deal with remains.
MJPEG is qualitatively better, but there are only cards with the extinction PCI interface, and they are all not new anymore available and drivers are suffering technically insolvent (Electronic Design) or not interested to support driver (Pinnacle) Manufacturers. Uncompressed is only with TV cards, which often (Exceptions prove the rule but the exception must be first find) the conversion quality is not so great, and are due Audio conversion on the soundcard Asynchronität of risk exists,
Antwort von Michael Isik:
> Affordable and presumably high quality (habs unfortunately I have not tested >, But something "more noble" price and equipment with at least 10 bits > 4:4:4 (!) Sampling promise much) would have a maximum uncompressed > The Video Advantage PCI of Turtle Beach, but it has not synonymous > Audio section, and is therefore on the soundcard.
Slowly, I really get the impression as if the compression garkeine best solution. I read synonymous partially on the internet that some tv cards synonymous transducers have fairly good, and therefore the solution dv take over. Actually it means but for the card manufacturer much less labor. Is there somewhere a list of maps, which not compress, or even a few others geheimtips? I would map synonymous gladly run under linux. My dream map looks like this: - Just uncompressed Digitizer, because I am in the rest take care of itself. - Runs on linux - Super transformer
Antwort von Volker Schauff:
Michael Isik wrote:
> Slowly I really get the impression as if the compression garkeine > Best solution. I read synonymous partially on the internet that some tv cards > Synonymous transducers have fairly good, and therefore the solution dv > Take over. Actually it means but for the card manufacturer
That is so theoretically, if the transformers have the same quality as in his DV converter then is the quality uncompressed course worlds better.
> - Just uncompressed Digitizer, because I am in the rest > Take care of itself. > - Runs under linux > - Super transformer
Enter the tuts sure, but unfortunately I have a little overview of the Current TV cards lost their analog parts of the trend to to DVB no longer synonymous better. The downside of all, as synonymous with Pinnacle Studio AV / DV and Turtle Beach Video Advantage as specialized solutions for the digitizer, they do not provide audio portion have. This can lead to A / V Asynchronität lead.
An affordable Uncompressed audio converter with its own part, after Possibility of synonymous discretion of bus specifications and Driver Support independent, I do not know (even priceless more, 1500 euro upwards, as the Bridge of DeckLink Multi Blackmagic where the costly external converters are good and just one SDI card needs in one of the drivers and bus-dependent, and the does not cost the world).
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Antwort von Günter_Hackel:
On 13.02.2006 11:58, Michael Isik wrote:
> Slowly I really get the impression as if the compression garkeine > Best solution.
Of course! any compression is lossy. Save Your Recordings in the best possible quality on the HD, they get cut and then burn it to the target media, then this is not always early enough compressed. gh (Please try it times 2-handed, with Shift button, which reads more pleasant)
Antwort von Andre Beck:
Volker Schauff writes: > > More important than the conversion (as synonymous ity a good TV card, > However, there the quality varies model to model of strong and > Difficult to set, for example, with the risk of asynchronous sound, it is > Synonymous), the MPEG encoder. I'm hard tu ne Recommendation > Out as I cross your posting in de.os.linux.hardware see > Because the best is an affordable Windows-based software, the Canopus > Procoder Express.
I was once so freely, comp.os.linux.hardware rauszunehmen because I do not extra English wanted to write. So much for the Encoder: I have the Impression that mpeg2enc (from mjpegtools), and specifically the version in the current CVS (ie, pre-1.90, the 1.80 release was rather a re - progressively) a truly usable achieved. One need only schweinisch careful not to default (I / P-only) to turn on , but the usual 2 B-frames per P zuzuschalten (formerly was the default, and now you have to switch to specify). Then submit the part but pretty good achievement. If one with the bitrate be stingy, there are better, but if one with "q-3" and "-b 9000" platzmäßig reach requires no trips to Windows more. Now just need someone to YUV4MPEG2 writer in mplayer ¹ finally fixed that he stops being an initial 0-frame (green) to he - testify. The necklace from the mplayer (random stuff to read, post processing, Scale, Letter-/Windowboxen and spend YUV4MPEG2) and mpeg2enc as the encoder is pretty cool (IMHO).
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Antwort von Andre Beck:
Michael Isik writes: >> Affordable and presumably high quality (habs unfortunately I have not tested >> Can, but something "more noble" price and equipment with at least 10 bits >> 4:4:4 (!) Sampling promise much) would have a maximum uncompressed >> The Video Advantage PCI of Turtle Beach, but it has not synonymous >> Audio section, and is therefore on the soundcard. > > Slowly I really get the impression as if the compression garkeine > Best solution.
For the processing before the transfer to a final format? Doubt. Guck Dir cinelerra at times, with uncompressed (or better said, Color exclusively subsampled) YUV to QT. Disk space (preferably on a RAID10) but should be plenty;)
> I read synonymous partially on the internet that some tv cards > Synonymous transducers have fairly good, and therefore the solution dv > Take over.
Ordinary mass market cards? I would evidence to the Contrary, rather skeptical view. With the EMC Störbelastung in a PC is such a card for much less favorable than in an external converter. In addition, a dedicated consumer devices Technology often with clearly superior-quality, what converter is concerned. Why always synonymous.
> Actually it means but for the card manufacturer > Much less labor. Is there somewhere a list of maps, which > Not compress, or even a few others geheimtips? I would > Map synonymous likes to run under linux.
The cheapest tickets are classic analog logically exact, which do not compress. You just need to stop on the refrain that an MPEG encoder on board, but clearly on the package , since it was sold as a value (it would be a synonymous when the first, and second off so could parameterise that he as synonymous 50Mbps I-only MPEG2 with q = 1 would produce).
> My dream map looks like this: > - Just uncompressed Digitizer, because I am in the rest > Take care of itself. > - Runs under linux
Nearly every BT848/BT878 should fit. Hauppauge WinTV PCI around. Whether sowas for PCIe still comes, but is actually written in the stars.
> - Super transformer
As I said, I am skeptical. I got my WinTV but still synonymous never with signals from the test pattern generator numbers to ensure the quality of Converter actually be examined. The stuff, which normally has to swallow (aus'm cable TV or even S-VHS recordings of TV aus'm Cable) is already so noisy and bad zersägt, as does the Converter card synonymous nothing more broken.
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Antwort von Stefan Heimers:
Michael Isik wrote:
> - Which device is capable of me as raw image data to the > Computer to transfer?
Ich mach's with a DVD-VCR (JVC DR-M10). Better would be a MiniDV Recorder. Important devices are upscale with good TB and Noise filter.
A Pinnacle MovieBox DV I synonymous, which is pretty useless, I can only advise against.
Another advantage is synonymous an S-VHS VCR, synonymous for normal-VHS recordings. Necessarily connected via S-video and CVBS not produce.
Stefan
Antwort von Volker Schauff:
Stefan Heimer wrote:
Respect, you have a almost a year old thread dug up, I I have wondered where the subject came, as they have a Zeiltlang several times each day anew to the question asked so lucky now longer no longer came. To your speech I will still a little something to say, damages for archive never.
> I do's with a DVD-VCR (JVC DR-M10). Better would be a MiniDV > Recorder. Important devices are upscale with good TB and > Noise filter.
Depends on what you mean what the TBC and noise filter to have.
- Output, ie in the VCR: A good choice, right now there are I have no devices that have any quirks. Except that the last generation of Panasonic VCR (NV-HS930 and Green Stitch slightly blurred, NV-SV121 green, massive and strong Unsharp Even the noise the noise reduction is not getting out more) are useless. The TBCs provide all but a very good job. A used Panasonic NV-HS950 NV-HS1000 or (possibly minimal greenish tint but to a kind of possible color is synonymous to the one other places again) or a high-end JVC from the series with Dynamic drum (eg HR-S8500 HR-S9500, the later units, but with TBC Dynamic Drum had no failures with the hi-fi sound to struggle as the Drive mechanics more than wabbelig was synonymous although not all, while incorporating all the last generation, what exactly I do not know) would be a pointed regular election.
- Input: Because there are problems. My three-DV Converter known, the TBC and DNR offer. The two affordable, the ADVC-300 of Canopus and the VMC-1 of Edirol, both at a certain TBC chip of Panasonic. This is "defective by design" and produces partially massive mistake. First, does the ADVC-300 is not all Time error, the edges are even minimally bent (the VMC-1 can something better, maybe there were different Bildfangzeiten chosen, the are in the chip is controlled, of the outside but no one has Access to it), on the other hand, produce the devices in certain Make Jitter (strongly shifted image edges) are usually no where. Laser discs are affected (because it is first noticed as a regular jitter every few seconds occur), but synonymous videotapes (me VHS and Betamax tapes to face where no longer on line the other was, but everybody can strictly VHS tape jitter occur if not synonymous with such a striking regularity as in LD, but rather as one per hour). At least for the ADVC-300 is also a Tonasynchronität on the VMC-1, I could in this Terms have not yet tested. The ADVC-300 will set the tone with a wrong sample rate (to see that massive Schwebungen in a 1KHz Sawtooth occur at the 48KHz sample rate does not give expected), actually too slow. To the resulting Asynchronität to compensate, about every 40 minutes a Picture doubled (PAL: Full length of 40ms, Asynchronitätsdrift 1ms per minute, after 40 min are the full 40ms). The image error Incidentally disappear when VMC-1 when the TBC off. When ADVC-300 can not do this. The third transformer in the league is the DAC-30 of video data, but the costs just defeat 1500-2000 euros. What TBC uses this, I do not know the pick is not just for testing. Since I do not have too many input "Fertigkost" TBC chips know (Semipro and Pro solutions on FPGAs according to the be programmed, I have so far only two chips of Panasonic - the broken and his successor - as well as one of Philips and one of Analog Devices, the latter only of 'mini-TBC by adaptive Line Length "speaks known), I do not know how many DVD recorders installed the chip is broken. Perhaps someone, which is a Panasonic DVD recorder with TBC and bought another Laserdisc player with PAL LDs (NTSC, at least at Pioneer (CLD. ..) and Denon (LA. ..) players, not affected, since it provides for an integrated Have TB, but it appears only in NTSC is active) he
Antwort von Stefan Heimers:
Volker Schauff wrote:
>> A Pinnacle MovieBox DV I synonymous, which is pretty useless, >> I can only advise against. > > What exactly is in the MovieBox DV so bad? Notes times closer.
The CVBS input caused any Moiree pattern. The S-Video input does a clear picture, but has problems with unstable Video signals (previous bands).
With me sitting in the TBC, DVD recorders, you can not adjust (Consumer unit), but the picture quality is pretty good.
I still have a separate TBC (Electronic Design TBC-Enhancer), the but less synonymous to function reliably and the picture sharpness vermindedrt.
A video recorder output with TBC, I have unfortunately not. At My many systems that would be synonymous expensive. And a VCR or Video2000 with TBC, I have not yet found.
Stefan
-- Stefan Heimer http://www.heimers.ch/
Antwort von Volker Schauff:
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Antwort von Radbert Grimmig:
>> A Pinnacle MovieBox DV I synonymous, which is pretty useless, = I >> Can only advise against. > > What exactly is in the MovieBox DV so bad? Notes mal = closer.
I've got another Pinnacle product (which I have just now forget - so ne USB box with video inputs halt) and apart of what makes the box, I must say that I software as incredible brazenness feel.
From the senseless concept and the 200 MB update, which I only times had to pull, so the box ever NEN tone of itself was yes I will not even begin.
But it is not even possible on my laptop with brands Centrino, 512 MB and correct its own RAM GraKa with any Digitizer videos without it after a few minutes Dropouts and asynchronous sound comes. I refuse to believe that the lack of computing power is - if its soft decently programmed, the hinhauen, at least if the Calculator otherwise burdened with other things nix.
I came so far in Hauppauge software, however, is synonymous not much better.
If this rubbish times compares with Virtualdub, then we must question Number one be allowed.
Yours sincerely Radbert Grimmig
Antwort von Radbert Grimmig:
> Pinnacle is not a small company and sell so en masse of > the stuff that anyone has noticed it out of the claims.
Precisely the opposite is true extreme example: Microsoft.
The fewer customers a company has, the more important is each individual.
