Frage von melloken:
hello together
I really would like my intervention a HD cam, you've had experience with different models?
what's the alternative to the sony fx1?
Many thanks for the reply
Antwort von molch:
How much money do you have?
if you have enough, wait until winter and you'll get the dvx200 of panasonic.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
look at the times SonyHC 1 (under 2000 ¬) in the business now!
January
Antwort von melloken:
3000-4000 ¬ so I have to disposal. Of the data I find the fx1 been ok but I am not such a sony fan. gibts schon testberichte of the panasonic dvx 200
Antwort von alegs:
Hello,
in the fall or the professional version to come out of the SonyHC1. A good piece will cost 3000 euros and hot SonyHVR-A1. I think that this should be synonymous included in consideration of your purchase decision.
Greeting
Alegs
Antwort von Axel:
I am of reviews for the Panasonic yet known, it is indeed synonymous come only in a few months on the market. It will probably cost including one or two memory chips twice in Comparison to the FX1 - to ¬ 6000 - but to have two key advantages:
1. Recording in 720p, and that probably means the TV / DVD standard of the future needs (the FX1 can only 1080i, the representation of a plasma display must de-interlaced, making moves at the infamous comb filter-effect is produced).
2. Real 4:2:2 Farbsampling, which is advantageous for the post, especially when keying, compositing, you should be fan.
No Sony fan? Really weird because the computer models are still great. For the price of the FX1 can not complain synonymous, but a few quirks, it has already, see previous posts relating to. How to stop any prototype.
Antwort von melloken:
Many thanks for all the infos.
I read that the sony-hvr has s.einen cmos chip, what is the difference to a ccd?
kenny
Antwort von WeiZen:
1. Recording in 720p, and that probably means the TV / DVD standard of the future needs (the FX1 can only 1080i, the representation of a plasma display must de-interlaced, making moves at the infamous comb filter-effect is produced). Moin,
not on a Sharp plasma, which can only 720P, of the representation.
Everything ok, it have not looked at 4 hours with all sorts.
Antwort von Markus:
Hello,
HDV format in which you want to record anyway? HDV1 (720p) or HDV2 (1080i)? Many camcorder (Sony) can so far only HDV2. I would personally a device with full screen progressive recording (720/50p) preferable, since the representation s.Plasma-Television is also progressive (interlaced conversion will not - allow "progressive necessary) and 50 frames per second for one smooth motion. In this standard, we must probably wait. Even the new camcorder of JVC (GY-HD100E) can "only to record" 720/25p and 1080/50i to MiniDV tape inserted.
Antwort von Stephan Kexel:
1. Recording in 720p, and that probably means the TV / DVD standard of the future needs (the FX1 can only 1080i, the representation of a plasma display must de-interlaced, making moves at the infamous comb filter-effect is produced).
2. Real 4:2:2 Farbsampling, which is advantageous for the post, especially when keying, compositing, you should be fan.
Yes great, but only 16 minutes! At a P2 chip go just minutes 8th DVCProHD. The camera has 2 P2 slots. Ne for 16 minutes, the camera is too expensive for me.
Antwort von Stephan Kexel:
.... because the representation s.Plasma-Television is also progressive (interlaced no conversion takes place -> Progressive necessary) But you already know that the conversion of the plasma's / LCD's of doing alone? You need not convert 1080i to display without problems on a plasma or LCD. If there still are problems in the plasma / LCD Qualitaiv is inferior.
Antwort von Axel:
@ Stephen:
I am not saying that 1080i on any that looks good or bad plasma bad. The FX1 features but with a Mpeg2 compression of interlaced. Take time on a high resolution, fast (used as a canvas) display such as the Apple 23 "Cinema stop on a frame with such a tree that was taken from a moving car. Unfortunately I do not own the picture, have it with my colleagues seen that has the FX1. The program editing HD natively, it will appear as it comes, of course, only de-interlaced. This looks like the motion blur! In motion the whole thing does not fall on it, only the overall impression of the good, old video. Very different with the Panasonic AG-DVX100, which belongs also to my colleagues. It excels in progressive DV, and it looks very natural on the computer, on a tube TV's really makes no difference. Only that is probably the least s.einem HD HD View will be enabled tube set!
What the 16 or 8 minutes chip memory is concerned, most reports are ordinary yet linked to immeasurable long time with DV, what you can do so with the HVX synonymous 200th And, if you pull the trigger already Öre 6000 for a camcorder, is certainly not synonymous inside the laptop on which you can leermachen each one of the cards. Granted, for most reports, the little hindrance. I would rather take HD for planned short films. DV is still No. 1 in the proliferation and in the practical handling, and it gets to stay just a few years.
Antwort von molch:
I would buy no camcorder that records on minidv in mpeg2 format.
the smallest movement or swiveling is blurred.
Antwort von WeiZen:
I would buy no camcorder that records on minidv in mpeg2 format.
the smallest movement or swiveling is blurred. Nonsense!
Antwort von Stephan Kexel:
I would buy no camcorder that records on minidv in mpeg2 format.
the smallest movement or swiveling is blurred. I have followed the debate since the beginning of HDV s.im Internet.
One is very strong:
And those people always have a negative attitude to HDV following are in your posts ...
- My friend ..
- I have views ...
- In the media market ...
- The download yesterday as ...
Those who have for instance, the Z-1 or FX-1, and enjoy silence. HDV in the professional area traversed more anyway. This user group has some more idea how to deal with this format and thus something few fears of contact.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
This user group has some more idea how to deal with this format and thus something few fears of contact I anxiously await that of those who have more idea and less fear of contact, even compelling videos with "unchained camera" will be shown on the network. That would be a good approach for a time convincing pro-argument. A picture (or video in this case) shows much more than 1000 words and leaflet. Actually, one would assume that right now with the Sony HC1 camcorder synonymous by the Manufacturer and manufacturer of video editing is the greatest interest to this market with a sustained and persuasive arguments (rather than video data sheets revitalize "too.
Recordings with "chained" by the Camera Tripod are not helping out around him to give an objective picture.
Yes, I had all three HDV camcorders is already in hand ...
Why this reticence on such images, which can really only grow the insight that, yes, in this case is the Picture "sharp"!
So, to show restraint and give up what's what!
Antwort von Markus:
.... because the representation s.Plasma-Television is also progressive (interlaced no conversion takes place -> Progressive necessary)
But you already know that the conversion of the plasma's / LCD's of doing alone? You need not convert 1080i to display without problems on a plasma or LCD. If there still are problems in the plasma / LCD Qualitaiv is inferior. Hi Stephen,
on this subject was an interesting article in the high-definition output of
Highway, einem Magazine of JVC Professional Europe:
[...] "These are some of the early technology used today, simply because we have become accustomed and not necessarily because we need them. One of these ideas is the use of interlacing (interlaced). The Interlace scan was a clever idea to reduce the transmission of a television image bandwidth. It is based on the inertia of the human eye perceives the two "half" images as a whole . Pretty clever, but now no longer necessary.
Most modern cameras use CCDs for image acquisition. The images are not scanned in the conventional sense (scanned), since the CCD's easy to capture only the light and convert it into electricity. So we have the opportunity to read this data in any form.
At the other end of the chain, many flat panel television use, such as plasma or LCDs. Both have in common is that they do not scan, such as occurs during CRT. Use digital storage, which allow to build up the panel screen in almost every way. It raises the question why, if we can get s.einen end frames and end frames represent s.anderen is in between the interlaced, which means that interlace? Note that a "de-interlacing is required when a progressive display with one interlaced signal to be controlled. But this can mean extra costs for the recipient and - were to deteriorate, it will not run correctly - the signal quality.
In the consumer sector, we gradually accustom ourselves from using progressive displays. Anyone who uses a computer (and who is not?), Looks at a progressive display. Computer manufacturers do not need interlace, so they give it up. This will be an issue, are more home media systems on the market. Then, the user display for your home computer or the Internet and use it to television. It seems absurd that they have a progressive display for video games, watching TV, however, accept because of the interlace method should lower Vertical Resolution.
With the new display technologies such as OLED (Organic LED) or SED (surface conduction electron emitter display) it is entirely to be progressive displays. In the further progress of the display development, we will see less and less CRT monitors with interlace technology, however, rapidly progressive flat screens. [...] "
In addition, tests have shown that generally most of the audience a 720p-Picture on progressive displays to feel subjectively better quality be read as a 1080i picture, and on www.film-tv-video.de:
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Antwort von WeiZen:
I anxiously await that of those who have more idea and less fear of contact, even compelling videos with "unchained camera" will be shown on the net!
Unnötigt not synonymous looks different.
So, to show restraint and give up what's what!
Why should abloaden time verschenden and something? It is written enough positive and negative. There, anyone can now make its ruling. Moreover, I have recently posted a link here with FX material. (originally from the Lord Kexel out of the Canopus forum is)
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Why should abloaden time verschenden and something?
To attract new customers and make more sales and more profit!
Antwort von WeiZen:
Why should abloaden time verschenden and something?
To attract new customers and make more sales and more profit!
LOL, I am a private person, customers nix, nix sales, nothing gain.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
You potential customers, others want your money, for what?
Antwort von Axel:
For the full quality vs. hysteria. Interlaced:
Who owns the FX1, for example, is rightly pleased with their pictures, especially in direct Comparison with IR. The "But" the enemy whiners in this discussion is the balance due, which cam for them out of the question. "Silence and enjoy" her quiet, FX1-owner, but please do not react too sensitively to questions about your treasure. The fence-edges in Stillimage I might shrug synonymous synonymous sweep under the carpet, if I had been buyers, but ...
Antwort von Jan:
Hello you,
Question s.Stephan Kexel - the CEO Stephan Kexel Canopus? Or just a user with the name? If so, it is of Canopus in the near future as similar as Edius SP for HDV for HDV in real-time to give, for people with the slightly smaller budget?
There is already with 720 P zb camcorder JVC GR-1 or HD JY HD 10
The war between progressive (JVC) and interlaced (Sony) is already opened,
because HC 1, FX1 and Co with 1440x1080i So actually no real 16 / 9, which otherwise would have 1920x1080i hot, while the i group is against the data rate of 19 Mbps
of (720p) (1080i, 25 Mbps is Weddern).
Is it really much worse with a with a 4:2:0 Signal Processing (720p)
to work with than 4:2:2 (1080i)? Who has experience?
January
Antwort von WeiZen:
Moin,
The Edius SP for the small purse, the EdiusNX with dem HDV Erweiterungs KitIch gehe davon aus, das es "der" H.Kexel der Firma Canopus war.
Furthermore, there is only one in 350,000 euros Cam HD 1920x1080 recording. All others, synonymous much more expensive than the FX1/Z1 have 1440x1080i.
Antwort von Axel:
Is it really much worse with a with a 4:2:0 Signal Processing (720p)
to work with than 4:2:2 (1080i)? Who has experience?
January
Hello Jan,
Resolutionhat nothing to do with the signal processing. DVC-Pro, for example has the same Resolutionwie DV, that is when scaled as pixelated as this one. Only the direct Comparison under the same shooting conditions would result in some minimal differences in favor of color processing in 4:2:2 - mode. The 1080i with the FX1 does not mean 4:2:2. The video format is HDV (4:2:0), as well as in DV causes a color shift in the post always synonymous lowering the quality of less than 100% Pal (as in a 3-chip cam theory is given).
DVC ProHD is in 720p, or 1080i or p i, in contrast to HDV, not only does not additionally Mpeg2 compressed - but uses the 4:2:2 Farbsampling synonymous.
The fact that all of modern HDV editing software is frame accurate cutting, is s.and for a miracle. The format is designed to meet the HDTV standard 1:1, as well as the 3-chip prosumer cams in accordance with the SD DV 1:1 standard of TV productions can. Assuming that the raw material is in the post does not scale or farbgefiltert. The latter is, of course, avoid rare. Anyone who has ever tried, however, to exempt keying on a moving object knows that here comes s.eine DV border. From everything I've seen in others, I believe that it is even more critical for HDV, change in post-anything.
Antwort von Markus:
DVC-Pro, for example has the same Resolutionwie DV, that is when scaled as pixelated as this one. Only the direct Comparison under the same shooting conditions would result in some minimal differences in favor of color processing in 4:2:2-mode.
DVCPro -> 4:1:1 (ähnlich wie 4:2:0 bei DV
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
Thanks for the comprehensive answers that are synonymous with 4:2:2,4:2:0 or 3:1:1 on HD Cam goes round the Signal Processing, stood in a trade magazine.
The Sony HDV 1080i system is supposed to have 4:2:2, that is synonymous of the FX1, I went out. Mr. Kexel has already spoken recently about the negative views Compression 4:2:0. Oh nochwas if I of course an older LCD or plasma TV with 800x600 pixels have under you, it's understandable not to experience the full Bracht. He should have at least 720x1280. For customers with an HC 1, or an older FX 1
Device at home and have a negative effect on HDV FOREIGN AFFAIRS. A video projector ala Pana AE 700 with a good screen can cause no wonder that one of the ¬ 2000 mark will crack. In addition, Sony's 1080i is perfect for sports with half-images or motion pictures, and in the relationship better than 720p.
January
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
I still have a test of Cine4Home endeckt, with the HC-1 has already been tried out, I was very impressed - with the FX 1 or high-quality models should be significantly longer possible ...
4. HDTV Playback
On top form, the PT-AE700 to run when its native Resolutionausreizt, say it with HDTV 720p / 1080i "feeds". We have done this and were excited of the outcome.
At 720p, the projector displays pixel of the incoming HDTV material. The results are convincing with a fantastic detail and sharpness of representation, which represents the recent PAL-DVD standard in the shade. Also, the highest HDTV standard, 1920 x 1080i, is accurate thanks to the good de-interlacer without disturbing line flicker, only the exact look you can here and there slight scaling artifacts detected by reduction to the required resolution 1280x720 pixels.
HDTV is superior in every respect, not only in the resolution, but synonymous in the color dynamics. Furthermore (assuming there are sufficient data rate) as well as no compression artifacts more in the Picture. Anyone who has seen HDTV with the PTAE700, there can hardly wait until the first TV station to accommodate future standards in their repertoire.
January
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
The public service not before 2010!
Will you have to wait a bit.
Antwort von jens:
Premiere is in the not too distant future, with 3 HDTV channels (film + sport) s.den start.
Antwort von chrisgau:
Premiere is in the not too distant future, with 3 HDTV channels (film + sport) s.den start.
It's true ... but the cost will be considerable. To see the new HDTV channels, you must have subscribed to the appropriate packages. The film-HDTV channel is part of the package "Film", the sports HDTV channel to "Sport" and the HDTV package is part of the Discover Channel "on". Say: You need all three packages representing a full plan is identical. A cost of ¬ 43 per month for a two-year contract commitment, or ¬ 2 more per month (at least one year or bond). Then there is the special HDTV fee that will range between ¬ 10 and ¬ 15. Power (along with one-year commitment) about ¬ 60 per month.
60 EURO !!!!!! These were used to DM 117 times!
You give too definite ... This is almost prohibitive. Premiere work here too full, and uses its market position in full. Who wants to have an HDTV, must have a full subscription. Cherry-picking is not allowed. After all, the guys mainly do to earn Money.
Ah, yes ... the necessary hardware is provided in None manner. Premiere certified equipment to comply with only the normal copyright requirements of the film industry. Have we're all already heard: full Resolutionnur via HDMI, no unencrypted recording to hard drive, etc. etc. For a single receiver to be reckoned with around ¬ 300, which is expected in summer 2006 Festplattenreceiver give it about twice.
I hardly think that this situation will prevail in the masses. HDTV will not become a mass event but a premium product for the income elite of this country - to paraphrase Harald Schmidt: an upper-class television.
Just so that no misunderstandings arise here. I think HDTV super-genius, and can, after I once excerpts from Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King in HDTV 1080i/60Hz on a 3m-wide screen (BENQ PE 8700, 1280x720, source material, "U.S. broadcast, recorded with saw-DVHS recorder), where I live barely come to terms with DVD quality.
Regards,
chrisgau
Antwort von Axel:
Chrisgau Hello, everyone. On the issue has to do with the title? As in Monty Python Is Wonderful World of gravity ":" ... And now for something completely different ... "
There already exist ways to promote HDTV. If all parties would agree on the techniques used (broadcast at 720p or 1080i?, Consumer DVD HDVDs in 15GB or 25GB BluRay?), You could share with the loudly announced transfer of the 2006 World Cup in HDTV the starting signal. In advance of the media markets could strengthen HD show (still a rarity, perhaps even sees himself Premiere forced to push a little too soon), and you could spread the love.
As it is, I would, in such a precarious purchase itself only as an "HD ready" - Plasma TVs shrink, the price erosion, rapid technology changes and the narrow range in mind, and yet I am a true high tech enthusiast.
I was years ago and day one of the first to buy a DVD player to, and that because he would have cost in spite of his 1500 DM as much as the installation of a twin-satellite dish to receive the Spanish Channel (I wanted to learn Spanish). A little later disappeared suddenly made the double-sided DVDs and Double Layer Square. My player they could not play, the warranty had just expired, and Panasonic was not accommodating. The update cost anything to be 150 marks, and for this money, there are now two players, such as Mustek, or Cyberhome.
As a compromise I have decided to wait until two years after Introduction of new technology before I buy something (this is the "spending restraint", which castigates the chancellor? "), But it does not come so easy for me.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
It must be deschooled but no one sure if he:
Premium product for the income elite of this country are - to paraphrase Harald Schmidt: an upper-class TV
will not.
If I then look at Premiere of the program in my "radio news", then I can live without synonymous HDTV. zum Bild
Prefer going with the RV around!
My new television is still very good to the old PAL TV can display!
Antwort von jens:
60 EURO !!!!!! These were used to DM 117 times!
You give too definite ... This is almost prohibitive.
I have not synonymous said that it is a bargain. The fact is that those who do not want to see HDTV necessarily have to wait until around 2010.
Apart from the fact that I am the DM-euro exchange nonsense anyway (think synonymous if they have their merits), is getting into new technology usually sauteuer. This indeed has to start with the peripheral devices to the HDV cams ...
So if you do not always immediately highend must just come cheaper and better
Antwort von GhostDog:
I'd buy at the moment still no hd.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello.
the sony hvr-a1 (professional version of HC 1) has a CMOS chip, unfortunately, synonymous with nearly 2 million pixels net. Good but a HDV cam with XLR jacks and a professional timecode is not usually get for 3000 ¬.
Again, the question of Melloken: In most cases, a CCD is better than a CMOS chip. The CMOS CHIP is unfortunately very rauschanfällig, but has a better dynamic range. A little color (Worse)-luminance noise You only get out with a first-class signal processing. Because it is significantly cheaper Sonyauf sets Him. Unfortunately, with moderate success at the moment see PC 1000, conjures up a very good picture in daylight, but in low-light falls strongly.
In SonyHC 1 or A1 synonymous, I'm going to assume the Low-Light Show Average values.
That's another way you can see where most s.Digital SLR with CMOS Chip's work and deliver excellent results.
January
Antwort von GhostDog:
Hello.
I already had the PC1000 as a camcorder and have now sold and I bought the HC1. The PC100 is on Lowlight completely mediocre, but this not only because this is a CMOS chip is installed, this is special, he only 1 / 10 inch in size. So we can not compare the PC1000 synonymous with the Lowlightverhalten an XM2, the 1 / 3 inch chip installed.
The synonymous HC1 has a 1 / 3 inch sensor and a significantly better Lowlightverhalten course (in DV mode compared) than the PC1000. Although Sonybeide camcorder with 7 LUX indicating HC1 delivers simply better pictures than the PC1000, even in DV mode.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
the PC 1000 to a 1 / 10 "chip has I have probably read over, but I will look again. If it were, of course, the weakness LowLight explained it's running almost every Einsteigercam for 300-400 ¬ with nem 1 / 6 "CCD.
But is this a good PC 1000 Owner's Erfahrungungen reported.
Thanks
January
Antwort von Gast:
Of course, is absolute nonsense with the 1 / 10 "chip:
http://www.sony.de/PageView.do?section=de_DE_Products&productcategory 2FCamcorder =%% 2FCAM + MiniDV & product = model 2FCamcorder%%% 2FCAM + MiniDV 2FDCR-PC1000E & productsku = DCRPC1000E.CEEJ & site = & page = Product odw_de_DE Technical Features
Antwort von jens:
Will you have to wait a bit.
the cost will be considerable. To see the new HDTV channels, you must have subscribed to the appropriate packages. The film-HDTV channel is part of the package "Film", the sports HDTV channel to "Sport" and the HDTV package is part of the Discover Channel "on". Say: You need all three packages representing a full plan is identical. A cost of ¬ 43 per month for a two-year contract commitment, or ¬ 2 more per month (at least one year or bond). Then there is the special HDTV fee that will range between ¬ 10 and ¬ 15. Power (along with one-year commitment) about ¬ 60 per month.
60 EURO !!!!!! These were used to DM 117 times!
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