Frage von Lazlo Lebrun:
Hello group,
Three years ago I had with a USB Videograbber bad
Experience, the device had my time pretty
powerful notebook immeasurably and provided only überbeschäftigt =
jerky images.
I have no special rights in the digitization of older =
n
Hi8 cassettes and now looking for a USB Videograbber that some gu =
t
works as early as the hardware compression.
They do it all now, or are the cheap converter still =
passive?
What would be of one of the Firewire interface has to stop?
thanks in advance
Laszlo
Antwort von Wolfgang Gerber:
Lazlo Lebrun wrote:
> Three years ago I had with a USB Videograbber bad
> Experience, the device had my time pretty
> Überbeschäftigt immeasurably powerful notebook and provided only
> Jerky images.
This I know - I have just completed a synonymous behind Experimentalodysse
me. At Ebay you will get only garbage!
> I have no special rights in the digitization of older
> Hi8 cassettes and now looking for a USB Videograbber, the moderately well
> Works as early as the hardware compression.
ACK - exactly that was my goal
> If they do now all, or are the cheap converters are still
> Passive?
Yes - have the fewest hardware encoder. And if so, then terrible
Software!
> What would be of one of the Firewire interface has to stop?
Better.
I did last week, the Medion-grabber of ALDI Süd-purchased and am
fully satisfied. Hardwarencoder internal and useful software! And the
for ridiculous 27.99! - Typisch ALDI - None of the dan may
Powerbetrüge ^ HSeller keep at Ebay. The sale only
Industrial waste. At least in Lowkostsektor. So now with my knowledge
3 different eBay sellers, or their products.
Gruss Wolfgang
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Antwort von Volker Schauff:
Lazlo Lebrun wrote:
> Three years ago I had with a USB Videograbber bad
> Experience, the device had my time pretty
> Überbeschäftigt immeasurably powerful notebook and provided only
> Jerky images.
You get what you pay for, although these things are cheaper, but not
just better.
I would say synonymous, synonymous Wolfgang Aldi device encoded only in
Software. Only now are holding the more powerful CPUs and the codecs
more efficient (that is, one has found ways to something worse
Image quality is significantly faster to encode). Each halfway current PC
can be optimized for speed with loose encoders in real time
encode and thus weighs less than the CPU fully. The quality is
But according to and can not even s.den toys encoder
TMPGEnc heranreichen, let alone Main Concept, Cinema Craft or
Procoder.
Instead, it is probably some proprietary codec used, because
uncompressed video via USB synonymous not just trivial.
Tip: Keep all of you away, which only with proprietary software
work. Firewire DV converter always work without a
Drivers to install. At Pinnacle, you are only in Drivers
graces dependent on manufacturer, the driver itself is but a
DirectShow WDM drivers to work synonymous with Virtualdub. At
Terratec and Hauppauge with MPEG2 hardware you're still on their synonymous
Festgenagelt software, but can assume that they are somewhat
works and at least at times synonymous Hauppauge s.and be updated
is (Terra dirt holds not much of software drivers and updates).
Medion, Hama and the worse-Noname Ebay are disposable products
without drivers and software support. If what does not work, then in the end
Center.
> I have no special rights in the digitization of older
> Hi8 cassettes and now looking for a USB Videograbber, the moderately well
> Works as early as the hardware compression.
Wrong, totally wrong approach. One reads again and again synonymous "is
VHS only, so I have nothing great. "But if one with
Low Compression (DV, MJPEG, Uncompressed) s.die matter addressed,
first with Virtualdub filters and then the 2-pass encoded to MPEG,
then the results are much better than the original and
not as in real-time MPEG-poor solutions (original plus
Compression artifacts).
And just Hi8 is a real revelation in the quality
Comparison of VHS, as is worth a little effort.
> If they do now all, or are the cheap converters are still
> Passive?
Those things cost just as much as a MPEG2 encoder chip in
1000 purchase price - what do you expect since then?
> What would be of one of the Firewire interface has to stop?
Firewire DV converter supply principle, not MPEG. At least I
no known exception. After all, with 3.6MB / s of the data set forth
much simpler than uncompressed video (20-30MB / s depending on the
Mode) as for example the USB Boxing Movie Of Pinnacle (for people who
with the somewhat usable hardware encoder of Hauppauge
PVR USB speakers are not satisfied with this and prefer to edit and 2-pass
want to encode, the only sound boxes, and even Made in
Germany and not for 219 Euro per month / employee in Romania as
But Nokia's new phones) and deliver up to rare cases where at
certain diagonal sharp edges can occur Farbtreppchen
otherwise lossless and thus contribute to the excellent finishing
suitable. MPEG encoding you need but still in software.
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Antwort von Wolfgang Gerber:
Volker Schauff wrote:
> Lazlo Lebrun wrote:
>
>> Three years ago I had with a USB Videograbber bad
>> Experience, the device had my time pretty
>> Überbeschäftigt immeasurably powerful notebook and provided only
>> Jerky images.
>
> You get what you pay for, although these things are cheaper, but not
> Just gets better.
>
> I would say synonymous, synonymous Wolfgang Aldi device encoded only in
> Software.
No.. (AFAIK) and synonymous to the other, which I previously had codete directly
Or via hardware.
Gruss Wolfgang
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Antwort von Volker Schauff:
Wolfgang Gerber wrote:
>> I would say synonymous, synonymous Wolfgang Aldi device encoded only in
>> Software.
>
> No.. (AFAIK) and synonymous to the other, which I previously had codete directly
> Or via hardware.
Perhaps to VCD MPEG1-Resolutiondas and then again by hochskaliert
Software for MPEG2 encoded is ;-)
But times seriously: How high is because the CPU utilization when you aufnimmst?
Remember: even a CPU is hardware ;-)
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Antwort von Roland Schweiger:
I too have learned that sometimes a little luck and =
Is synonymous with trial & error.
What USB Videograbber concerns, I am currently in a
"Handy Cap" Genatech stuck, actually any noname =
Thing.
In my particular case is limited to old (but sometimes bad) = VHS
Cassette.
At least not crash the encoder s.wenn "strip through Picture =
go "or
"if the images times the short elevator ride" (vertical sync problem).
Some encoders increase because of the same.
When the stick was synonymous a version of Ulead Studio is needed =
I did not.
I suspect that part of the hardware encoder, it is not =
clear.
No crashes, reasonably good quality mpeg2 approximately 3.5 GB / =
Hour,
roughly ok.
I have a synonymous miniDV Video Camera (of Sony, with =
firewire)
and the synonymous has an analog video input, c-f-inch bas =
composite and S-Video.
Have tried synonymous with this camera on a miniDV tape =
incorporated
(as is the camera, so to speak Videograbber) and then later by =
firewire in Calculator
to play - that's synonymous and even fairly well,
But of course, is slightly cumbersome.
Nevertheless, I think, who is such a camera is still at home has
(in my case SonyHandycam TRV-17E) might not need the USB =
Grabber.
But maybe I was laughing so from :-)
lg
Roland Schweiger
Antwort von Lazlo Lebrun:
Volker Schauff wrote:
> You get what you pay for, although these things are cheaper, but not
> Just gets better.
>
After mainly in high-tech equipment or even?
> Each halfway current PC
> Can be optimized for speed with relaxed real-time encoders
> Encode and thus weighs less than the CPU fully.
Actually it is. Only the USB interface is the bottleneck, od =
he?
If it is somewhat useful without great sacrifice quality conversion =
ert
will gently over USB (Firewire) to connect good and au =
f
DV is converted, should be enough.
> Tip: Stop all of you away, which only with proprietary software
> Works. Firewire DV converter always work without a
> Drivers to install.
Yeah, I meant synonymous. Wanted your confirmation on this.
>> I have no special rights in the digitization of ä =
older
>> Hi8 cassettes and now looking for a USB Videograbber the somewhat =
>> Works well in most of the hardware compression.
>
> Wrong, totally wrong approach. One reads again and again synonymous "is =
t
> Yes only VHS, so I have nothing great. "But if one with
> Low Compression (DV, MJPEG, Uncompressed) s.die matter addressed, =
> First with Virtualdub filters and then the 2-pass encoded to MPEG, =
> Then the results are much better than the original and =
> Not like in real-time MPEG-poor solutions (original plus
> Compression artifacts).
>
Actually I would have been my whole approach as follows:
As a grandfather, a few of the events of his grandchildren wishes, the
however, not as a hobby sündteueren life will möcht =
e
I have something more from my old Hi8 Camera herauskitzeln.
I've found that even for high-end Hi8 camcorder
ridiculous returns on Ebay are sold.
Normal (like mine) anyway.
I wanted to have an additional normal (even for 50 euros to have) =
and an elevated (already for 200 Euros to have) an auction and thus
two normal on a tripod to run, and the Advanced course
operate. At the end everything will be over a DV Videograbber on the PC
be loaded to a result and be mixed together.
> Firewire converters deliver basically DV, MPEG no. At least, m =
ir
> No known exception. After all, with 3.6MB / s of the data set forth
> Much simpler than uncompressed video.
So good to edit?
> (20-30MB / s depending on the
> Mode) as for example the USB boxes of Pinnacle Movie (for people who si =
ch
> With a reasonably good hardware encoder of Hauppauge
> USB PVR boxes are not satisfied with this and prefer to edit and 2-pass =
> Want to encode, the only sound boxes, and even Made in
> Germany and not for 219 Euro per month / employee in Romania as =
> Recently Nokia phones) and deliver up to rare cases where at
> Certain diagonal sharp edges can occur Farbtreppchen =
> Otherwise lossless and thus contribute to the excellent finishing
> Suitable.
The long sentence, I have now-synonymous after 3 Read not understood .=
> MPEG encoding you need but still in software.
>
That is quite the calculator do without me, I want to sleep still synonymous.
Antwort von Volker Schauff:
Lazlo Lebrun wrote:
>> You get what you pay for, although these things are cheaper, but not
>> Just gets better.
>>
> According to the rule in high-tech equipment or even?
The sentence I do not understand ...
Well ultimately gape with analog video, the worlds always next
apart. More and more consumer scrap of good and garnicht
High-end which is very expensive. In between, there are "only" the
DV converter, which is very good.
>> Any reasonably current PC can be optimized for speed with
>> Loose encoders encode in real time and thus do not burden the CPU times
>> Full.
> Actually it is. Only the USB interface is the bottleneck,
> Or?
Oh, that is, actually. Hispeed USB 2.0 is 480Mbit / s. These are only
mal blöd converted 60MB / s. Even though USB still overhead and other
Problems ... for 30MB / s (RGB) or 20MB / s (YUV 4:2:2), it is
usually all male. Exceptions prove the rule, because according to
Computer fitting this data set no longer protected by the USB bus.
> If it is somewhat useful without great sacrifice quality converted
> Is gentle on USB (Firewire) and transferred to well-connected
> DV is converted, should be enough.
Yes, DV is designed for the home and still be sufficiently better than
each MPEG-solution (okay, MPEG s.Ende must always worry, but
Software encoders are just the latest in 2-pass is always better than
Hardware and a little filtering can still synonymous)
>> Tip: Stop all of you away, which only with proprietary software
>> Works. Firewire DV converter always work without a
>> Drivers to install.
> Yeah, I meant synonymous. Wanted your confirmation on this.
DV-care is really the easiest, as I said it without any
Drivers. Most Firewire cards are already of Windows
treibermäßig supports, and at the latest if the firewire card
is installed you need the converter only outlet.
Occasional friction chipset (the old love-hate Canopus and Texas
Instruments) times out.
> I wanted to have an additional normal (even for 50 euros to have)
> And an elevated (already for 200 Euros to have) an auction and thus
I suppose s.with "lifted" do you send these shoulder cameras?
At least here is worth a good analog processing chain
absolutely. But as I said before synonymous, so we must not be a bad video
next worse yet aware because you use the wrong hardware.
By the way: The smell is even more after cutting. MPEG2 is not a
Cutting format. You might get a little out rumschnibbeln and must
then again not new lossy encode (smart rendering), but
Effect of increased use (because it must be re-encoded), many
Cuts and similar situations it is good garnicht. Especially since it synonymous to
Performance of the program rather cut into the basement attracts. DV is
because it is clearly better because the losses are lower and the performance
cutting better (while most MPEG images from all 15
Images appearing subsequent frames and difference images
must be painstakingly reconstructed, each DV is a full Picture)
>> (20-30MB / s depending on the mode) as for example the USB boxes of Pinnacle Movie
>> (For people who are quite usable with the hardware encoder
>> The Hauppauge PVR-USB boxes are not satisfied with this and prefer
>> To edit and encode 2-pass to the only reasonable
>> Boxes, and even made in Germany and not for 219 Euro in
>> Month / employee in Romania as though Nokia's new phones) provide
>> And up to rare cases where s.bestimmten diagonal sharp edges
>> Farbtreppchen may occur otherwise lossless and therefore to
>> After editing ideal.
> The long sentence, I have now-synonymous after 3 Read not understood.
Well, then I filter the essence again in individual points:
- There are USB PVR boxes of Hauppauge. They are measured s.den
remaining competitors in this genre not even bad, although I
they actually consider irrational (because the content into MPEG record
while the
Antwort von Lazlo Lebrun:
Volker Schauff wrote:
>> I wanted to have an additional normal (even for 50 euros hab =
s)
>> And an elevated (already for 200 Euros to have) an auction and thus =
>
> I assume s.with "lifted" do you send these shoulder cameras?
>
Yes eg SONY Hi8 CCD-V800E.
The apparently no one wants to have!
I guess it has to be a Hi8 DV conversion lengths to better than =
I was at the same price (Camera converters) with a DV camera have =
could?
To do this, I could make two simple Hi8 cameras s.anderen angles
let run (They need not be that hard, are synonymous
not) the converter I already had.
> In addition: The smell is even more after cutting.
Yes, sure. In borders, however. I'm not one that a cut
every 1.3 seconds needs.
> Well, then I filter the essence again in individual ...
thank you so much time to do, to tell me about it at length =
to explain.
after all your statements, I will be surely a DV encoder
buy me 20MB/Sekunde are too much, I just stand 20GB
hard drive is available, otherwise I would have a USB hard drive
fall back, then it would turn the USB bottleneck.
By: DV would go via firewire, and USB for external
hard drive not a burden.
Laszlo
Antwort von Günter_Hackel:
Lazlo Lebrun wrote:
> Volker Schauff wrote:
>
>>> I wanted to have an additional normal (even for 50 euros to have)
>>> And an elevated (already for 200 Euros to have) an auction and thus
>>
>> I assume s.with "lifted" do you send these shoulder cameras?
>>
> Yes, for example SONY Hi8 CCD-V800E.
Hello
nana, a shoulder camera that was not already so not because of
Viewfinder is back and not s.der Page.
> The apparently nobody wants to have more!
> I guess it has to be a Hi8 DV conversion lengths to better than
> I for the same price (Camera converters) with a DV camera have
> Could be?
I do not really understand what you mean. The 800 has good pictures
made with a mini-DV, but they can not keep up (if, for
Comparison in a similar class remains)
The CCD V800 has and the things to watch out and drive again
with a test tape test. There is a tape drive in leadership which
feel free to relax. The consequence is that you no longer old tapes
can play and re-recorded on other devices are not synonymous.
> After all your statements, I will be surely a DV encoder
> Buy 20MB/Sekunde are me too much, I just stand 20GB
> Hard drive is available, otherwise I would have a USB hard drive
> Fall back, then it would turn the USB bottleneck.
Uh, a built-in hard drive with, say 80GB should you a hobby
worth the cost is really not so much.
gh
Antwort von Lazlo Lebrun:
Günter Hackel wrote:
> Lazlo Lebrun wrote:
>> Volker Schauff wrote:
>>
>>>> I wanted to have an additional normal (even for 50 euros
>>>> Have) and an elevated (already for 200 Euros to have) ersteigern =
>>>> And therefore
>>>
>>> I suppose s.with "lifted" do you send these shoulder cameras?
>>>
>> Yes, for example SONY Hi8 CCD-V800E.
>
> Hello
> nana, a shoulder camera that was not already so not because of the =
> Viewfinders and rear is not s.der Page.
>
Right. Then they do not stop sending. With the rear viewfinders can I
live, even better, because I am with the left eye targets.
>> The apparently nobody wants to have more!
>> I guess it has to be a Hi8 DV conversion lengths better =
than
>> I was at the same price (Camera converters) with a DV Camera
>> Could have?
>
> I do not really understand what you mean. The 800 has good pictures
> Done with a mini-DV, but they can not keep up (if, for =
> Comparison in a similar class remains)
I have no experience so synonymous made, however, appreciate that =
the optics and the sensor in which weakly illuminated
Theater something is better than the MiniDV toys that ma =
n
at the same price could get.
Even if I have to lose something Anlogaufnahme should have a
good input image to be significant.
Am I on the boardwalk?
> When the CCD V800 has and the things to watch out and drive again
> With a test tape test. There is a tape in the drive, leadership, di =
e
> Feel free to relax. The consequence is that you no longer old tapes
> Can play and re-recorded on other devices are not synonymous la =
ufen.
>
Thanks for the tip.
>> After all your statements, I will be surely a DV encoder =
>> Buy are 20MB/Sekunde me too much, I just stand 20GB
>> Hard drive is available, otherwise I would have a USB hard drive =
>> Back, it would turn the USB bottleneck.
>
> Uh, a built-in hard drive with, let's say you like the 80GB should Hob =
by
> Worth the cost is really not so much.
>
Where installed as? As a manufacturer of the notebook is built, he saw no
Reserve space for a 2 FP before.
I do not want my first 60GB of hard drive freischauffeln
need only to perform the conversion.
DV and 20-30 GB for one hour but should be OK, right?
Laszlo
Antwort von Günter_Hackel:
Lazlo Lebrun wrote:
>> I do not really understand what you mean. The 800 has good pictures
>> Done with a mini-DV, but they can not keep up (if, for
>> Comparison in a similar class remains)
> I have no experience so synonymous made, however, appreciate that
> The Optics and the sensor in which weakly illuminated
> Theater something is better than the MiniDV toys that you
> At the same price could get.
Hello
clear: large and higher quality optics. Beginners compare
like numbers, counting pixels and Lux, who is more so from the corner to practice
and perhaps even synonymous nor conventional film cameras knows
it looks more likely. Ne good lens is far more important than dozens
Gimmiks that you do not need.
> Even if I have to lose something Anlogaufnahme should have a
> Good input image to be significant.
> Am I on the boardwalk?
No, not really. Before I think now synonymous "old" Sony
Mini. PC110 DV (good, great optics) bought, I had exactly 800. The
Difference in results is, however, was significantly decreased and
benefit from the PC110. The Picture is clear, contrasting
and noise. It is not only the difference of digital-analog, the
garnicht alone says that it has become synonymous with the much
Image done and that is IMO the most important differences.
> Where as screwdriver? As a manufacturer of the notebook is built, he saw no
> Reserve space for a 2 FP before.
Well, laptops are not really well suited for video editing.
Yeah, I know many will still use notebooks. I would have
because of the limited storage capacity do not.
> I do not want my first 60GB of hard drive freischauffeln
> Have just about the conversion.
> DV and 20-30 GB for one hour but should be OK, right?
So much space, you should at least keep clear and there should be synonymous Dich
not interfere if the system board through the many large and
File movement is heavily fragmented.
gh
Antwort von Lazlo Lebrun:
Günter Hackel wrote:
>> Even if I have to lose something Anlogaufnahme should have a
>> Good input image to be significant.
>> Am I on the boardwalk?
>
> No, not really. Before I think now synonymous "old" Sony
> Mini. PC110 DV (good, great optics) bought, I had exactly 800. =
The
> Difference in results is, however, was significantly decreased and
> Benefit from the PC110.
I'll let's see what these are worth PC110 even, thank you.
>> I do not want my first 60GB of hard drive freischauffeln
>> Have just about the conversion.
>> DV and 20-30 GB for one hour but should be OK, right?
>
> So much space, you should at least keep clear and there should be synonymous Dich =
> Not interfere if the system board through the many large and
> File movements heavily fragmented.
>
DAS will not workommen: the FP of the notebook is already partitioned
System, data, swap.
Laszlo
Antwort von Günter_Hackel:
Lazlo Lebrun wrote:
>>> I do not want my first 60GB of hard drive freischauffeln
>>> Have just about the conversion.
>>> DV and 20-30 GB for one hour but should be OK, right?
>>
>> So much space, you should at least keep clear and there should be synonymous Dich
>> Not interfere if the system board through the many large and
>> File movements violently fragmented.
>>
> THE workommen is not: the FP of the notebook is already partitioned
> System, data, swap.
Hello
That you have done well. For many, there is sheer chaos on the
Slabs and surprise as you will try not synonymous with permanent anger
the software .... what then of course only the evil Manufacturer
and guilt are Miicosoft. ;)
gh
Antwort von Klaus Schmidt:
Konrad Wilhelm "
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news: eab1r3djun2h5m6qjunttkfkqc6lu2tqrb@4ax.com ...
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:17:450100, Lazlo Lebrun
> wrote:
>
> Where the compressed part ahn, I do not synonymous to me is no preference. The Notbuch,
> Which I run the grabber, is not particularly fast. That
> Earnings are mpeg-2 files. In order to make DVDs of it, the rödelt
> Calculator still plenty of times as long as the recording took
> But it does it without me (as well as the recording of the
> Analog source).
Hi Konrad,
please tell me is the result of the grabber so that it is a further
Processing at a video editing program like Pinnacle Studio of
use it next?
So far, I have my old analog video on my digital video camera
digitized.
Geuß of
Klaus
Antwort von Volker Schauff:
Klaus Schmidt wrote:
> Hi Konrad,
> Please tell me is the result of the grabber so that it is a further
> Processing at a video editing program like Pinnacle Studio of
> Next use?
Please bring him into a matter of a few screenshots to make online, from
slow as fast scenes. I have the feeling here cavort
some people, the premiere issue even with 480x576 and a tight
Mbits data VCD or even good and it does not find
See compression artifacts.
> So far I have my old analog video on my digital video camera
> Digitized.
What keeps you from the next to do so? I do think s.du
-/D8-Camera with a DV-in analog. The may be of the
Converter quality is not quite with the Canopus video converters and Data
keep up, but the low compressed DV is still better
than the highly compressed MPEG that most USB converters deliver.
In addition, you save not just trouble-Drivers.
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