Frage von nürg:
Hi, I recently filme rock concerts often times with a panasonic nv 280th
is purely for hobby purposes and the bands have ne memorable and possibly s.verbesserungen work.
So nix on commercial or similar purposes.
what bothers me immensely is the fact that when I cam s.mischpult up, (which is usually next to the rear) I have the built in micro much ambient noise, such as (unfortunately) often stupid and gelaber with similar aufm band did.
search abhilfe.wie therefore looks at the relationship with judge from microphones and what characteristics should they have?
as would be useful, for example, a rode videomic stereo or whatever else comes in the price range?
should perhaps not only the actual problem, but the sound synonymous additionally improve.
What is a tip for me? thank
Antwort von Steadycameraman:
So as in any case Richcharakteristik mace or Super Cardioid.
However, good directional microphones are quite expensive. I suppose but strongly suspect that you have a clean sound like. So it costs a micro then determines ¬ 200.
Worthwhile for you würds yet.
Antwort von scubavideo1:
So what I do and did it regularly in the last ten years synonymous already paid plenty to learn.
The best sound you get directly from the mixer. If you know the band is usually not a problem synonymous. Depending on availability, I leave the stereo on two separate outputs s.Mischer spend my branches or from the master (often looped through amps have inputs that are simply XLR Male can tap). To use the Studio I have a DAT recorder with upstream limiter (just for security, clipping in digital recording devices leads to complete Tonaussetzern).
A simple solution might be synonymous as a s.den iRiver headphone output on the desk connected.
The audience reaction, I suppose with a Rode NT4 stereo Micro on a high tripod on which I place in the hall. It can be problematic when the distance to the stage is too big, because then there's an echo effect, which can later be removed. Approx. 10 m spacing of the boxes in my experience is still ok.
The Rode NT4 I associate with a 20 m long cable with the camera (mine has XLR inputs. For cameras with mini jack input (unbalanced) allows cable lengths of such interference may occur. That is something we try and predict, in any case well-shielded cable.
Advantage of the Rode NT4 is in addition to good image quality räumilichen the specified xy location of the microphone capsules (without obliterations of are mixed to mono) and the possibility of the Micro either with Battery or phantom power to operate.
When editing of the images you need to search for a reference (eg the beginning of a bit more concise, etc.) and the Kameraton with the Mischpultton from the external recording device to synchronize.
For very long recordings can with the time Asynchronitäten occur. In this case you have a long clip into multiple brief divide, which you can then separately synchronized.
I have recordings of typically 60 min (a length), in which these problems have not yet occurred (professional equipment used therefore a master clock that synchronizes all devices).
Then go to the Mix.
The Mischpultton is for Raumakustik mixed and therefore often sounds very dry. Since then you have a little reverb and reverb demand. The micro-economic area I am very discreet about this. Just far enough that the audience reactions are not intrusive.
.... hope that helps.
Antwort von Steadycameraman:
The times I call a good help!
Thank you. Even if not for me!
Antwort von nürg:
@ scubavideo .... thanks you for your really helpful and understandable description of how it is really good.
for future such projects would be an ideal solution even for the moment but from a technical point of view or expense ne number too big.
moment, even smaller gigs with underground band, which is sufficient under normal circumstances, at all times ne its own show on dvd to perpetuate.
worthwhile because of the expense you described is not yet.
but synonymous with those gigs, I would like to stop the described problems and therefore search for solutions.
seems to be such a judge to use a microphone with keule.
this should probably largely beside the noises of spectators near the cam stand, stop, right?
in the context a bit ..... should or must be a micro stereo be? s.der cam is built-in stereo synonymous yes, what would mono with regard to the sound effect?
and again the question s.eventuelle possessive, it is worth the purchase of the Rode SVM, for which there are alternative in the price range?
Antwort von techman:
Hello
I want to bring in a few words, but because already late, only a Kurzfasung. If you have any questions - no problem!
So I have in the past five years many concerts filmed, hats starting with a single Canon XM2, now I already get with 5 DV (Cam) cameras. Since the synonymous concerts tend to be quite small, I have long had the stereo micro-XM2 than the sound made. I was so synonymous really happy music and the audience has a good relationship belongs.
Unfortunately, however, were the entities in retrospect, usually a bit dissatisfied. That is why I have just a habit I sum signal from Tonmischpult deductible attack, which make almost no effort, but it sounds like a lot "Krisp" or crispy or how synonymous always say. In any case, I really wars are always a bit too dry. The proposals of scubavideo1 liked me pretty well, the direction of what could really bring.
In any case, I made my last, and probably for a long time last concert film (in time will probably not) a "luxury" variant sampled, at least for me. The concert was with about 20 channels for mixing the room, they told about the subgroups on the (room-) 8 logical sub-mixer channels mixed (vocals, drums, guitar (-s), keyboard, ...) that has 8 channels then a friend live on a small mixed mixer (with the vocals a little reverb supplies - for example, what bass-heavy tracks absolutely "kill" would be) and this has a CameraLink and parallel flash recorder recorded.
And all this so far have heard said it was just perfect.
As a little extra, I still for the DVD is a 5.1 track is created, because I am still of the stereo micro-XM2 had. So are front and re li (and s.Center) recording the mixed background, and you can hear the audience and the "atmo-hall" was synonymous sounds very good.
As a conclusion in any case, I wanted to say that I for exactly that purpose in any case, a (mono-) indicative cucumber would buy, which is what an interview with the musicians before the concert or Tonangeln film. Even something like a Rode Stereo Vid. Mic. brings you not very much, because the bass (no preference whether drum or bass) are not crisp sounds hard, but reverberant washy.
Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:
Super contributions of real experts!
Yes indeed it is this: You stand in s.Saalmischpult seductively close to where you like the Mischpultton out who is for himself alone but too dry and unbalanced. Approx. 30% of acoustics you should mixer, this is ideal. However, it is not very cheap.
Stattdesen a super-directional microphone near the camera set up is not the ideals, because in spite of everything, nor a sound to be faded out. The sound of "Zoom" to want to go so far as the picture with the zoom lens.
It helps for you - for cheap - only one motto: There must be 2 microphones, which are about 5 meters close s.die PA boxes herangestellt be. At this distance from the camera you have but the problem is that the microphone wires hum get, because you have a unbalanced input jack searched.
Either you take the sound to a flash recorder, such as the Zoom H4 is very good and rel. cheap (280 euros), and has trouble-free, balanced XLR inputs even with 48 volt phantom power for condenser microphones especially good. And after a little work s.Computer synchronization.
Or if it's still cheaper and must be without work, there is the Music Production Music consignor a 4-fold preamplifiers for 79 euro, the next you your Camera postierst.
http://www.musik-produktiv.de/sm-pro-audio-pr4v.aspx
It is synonymous symmetrically bridged and sometimes dangerous litter the large distance between microphones and Consumer camera. From this you must then preamplifier with a Y-cable, particularly in the richer choice of music Thomann shipper has, from preamplifiers to Camera.
If you're with the distance of the microphones to the speakers play around, you sure get a good, natural result for little coal.
Good luck wishes Walter
