Frage von Jollitop:
Hi,
following problem: The newspaper house in which I work, has eight foreign offices. We have begun producing videos for our site to produce, and now, the foreign editors are mitmischen.
To the cost of the "normal" print-editor in the frame to hold, we imagine that the editor of "only" films (foreign currency: max. X minutes raw!) And after his storyboard a key cutter, the material processed. This must be filmed material of the field offices in the central editorial office will be managed.
Two possibilities exist in my opinion:
s.Shooting to memory card, memory card is empty of courier against computer networks,
b) shoot at any band-free medium, data are transferred via line (2 Mbps) transfer.
As far as I am aware, AVCHD provides a fairly good compression, so I do low volumes of data, the memory card to fit, or possibly by the line through. Since I'm Sonyfetischist, I liebäugele with the HDR-CX6EK.
Questions:
- Is it possible with the above model synonymous record in SD (web does not need more)?
- How big are the data rates with good picture quality in SD / HD, how much should I MegaByte per minute account?
- How good is Premiere Pro CS3 with the video format to cope?
- Anybody who has a completely different idea of the above problem (better) to be solved?
Thank you ever,
Jochen
Antwort von Daigoro:
Sit together and working out a workflow, s.den then keep all synonymous.
It should be easier to find needed equipment.
Thus individual solutions Frickel-one makes it so, the other very differently, in the middle's s.liebsten would have very different costs in a professional environment is almost endless time and therefore money.
Antwort von Jollitop:
Yes nee, is klar. This workflow, I am just s.Austüfteln. The fact that the variants are not parallel, it is logical!
Antwort von Daigoro:
Then ask the cutter, which he delivered for material wants and tell me a budget that you have at its disposal.
(you need to purchase or even makes the pockets on the publisher?)
The information about the Camera can be found here:
http://www.camcorder-test.com/camcorder.html
But since the start of the back side; horse.
Antwort von Jollitop:
The editors would like to have material that he had problems with Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 can edit. Budget depends on the costs - Publisher paid.
To emphasize it again:
I need a solution to video footage of A-site as efficiently as possible according to location B to be transported.
My approach was an AVCHD camcorder on the card, so that either the card or the transported material compressed by the data line. Then refer to my above questions synonymous!
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
Load with the AVCHD, the format is only available for stupid consumer, and always requires a conversion into an intermediate format, so you can edit it
If money plays no role, and workability as well as quality a priority, you pick DVC PRO HD cams like the Panasonic HVX 201 Then you have to play with the big boys with.
Since the money cost, but you will sooner or later, when HDV or Mini DV to land, and Mini-DV langt full web stories also are inexpensive to obtain.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
HDR-CX6EK ... ... Can you with the above model synonymous with SD record ... How big are the data rates ... Recording formats and data rates are described in detail on the Sony site, so far I think it saves me all this time off yet. But another thought is allowed: I know the quality of your publisher, but if this claim is hopefully over, so what some newspapers online, then brings the CX6 a completely different problem with it. It has neither a port for an external microphone for more Headphones, so they just shoot for the question, where the sound plays no major role.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Gude
SonyHVR - S270 characterized synonymous additional memory card.
They will / can be synonymous as used Camera EB wrote somewhere once.
The material can easily be edited with Adobe.
Data throughput rates of buying and format in the camcorder, you can see comparison test.
With VPN, or just the transmission line kännte good work, think it is of course relatively small clips.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS. Fire doors and any other solution Cam was synonymous kännte even cheaper to come to the Cam. I think AVCHD is currently only recommended.
Also vs CCD. CMOS question should be considered. Kamm here often have in mind when used in / on PK where much is flashed.
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
Uh, the Sonykostet s.die 9000 ¬, the Panasonic s.die get for 4000 ¬.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Money games Soorry thought does not matter ;-)
Antwort von Jollitop:
Quality is such a thing. I myself was on good pictures with good sound.
On the other hand, I have dozens of editors who are now suddenly make videos, although they never had a video camera in hand. Of course I will teach boys and girls, shooting at what they have to respect, but now even those outside Mikron mitgeben and perhaps show how they regulate the Aperture manual would be a simple overload.
Clear Target: Mass create! In general, it will be like that to 'go his appointment, a few minutes of film which, to write her text, both in the central editorial office, where then a 30 - to 60-second film is cut and with the text to music is - finished. It will hold up to date as possible, and not beautiful. There must be synonymous not cost too much time.
(For more demanding tasks, we have already 'ne better equipment in the central editorial office and someone who can handle it and can take your time.)
And because the videos "just" for the Web (ie 400 * 300 pixels compressed in Flash), are synonymous to quality raw material requirements s.das not soooo big.
However, in order to save time and possible to be out of date, I need a way to the material as efficiently as possible in the central editorial office to get. Since we have only the 2-Mbit lines have (on the synonymous editing system running), I must stop let's see how big the data at all were that I would have to transfer.
Must now synonymous admit, not exactly at Sonygeschaut to have:
HD XP (AVC HD 15 Mb / s) / HD HQ (AVC HD 9 Mbit / s) / HD SP (AVC HD 7 Mbit / s) / HD LP (AVC HD 5 Mbit / s) / SD HQ (SD 9 Mb / s) / SD SP (SD 6 Mbit / s) / SD LP (SD 3 Mbit / s)
That means probably that SD material anyway in MPEG-2 is encoded, and I do not benefit by more efficient AVCHD codec would. Is that on all models, the AVCHD so dominate? Because it's enough for me 'ne' normal 'SD-Cam, ideally on the memory card recording.
Would I be so SD SP record, I would have about 45 MB / min, when we say 5 min. Raw material needs of our transmission line about 30 min. - If the rest of traffic is set.
The other hand - if we are out of electronic data and allow the storage media physically anyway need to transport - seems to me the MiniDV variant attractive: better quality, and the editors must sift through the material anyway - he can therefore synonymous when capturing it!
Where many thanks for your suggestions ...
Antwort von Meggs:
What is the estimated ratio: Redakteur filming X minutes, cutter cuts out Y minutes? How big are x and y per contribution? If x is quite large (eg 40 minutes) and y in relation to relatively small (eg 2 minutes) I would have perhaps ne idea.
Antwort von Jollitop:
Was currently being considered, the editor as little - but important - to be filmed so that the average synonymous not so much to be seen, and thus the whole process faster.
Other hand, I personally believe that only with sufficient motive selection synonymous ordinary final product can deliver (ratio at least 1:10).
So, if you 'have a good idea - I'm for (fast. .. ;-)) everything open!
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
Each SD Camera meets the quality requirements. In addition, the easy use.
Find what with flash memory with storage in Mepg format. Done.
All other costs and is too expensive.
Antwort von Meggs:
So, if you 'have a good idea - I'm for (fast. .. ;-)) everything open! That would be the following workflow (it is largely synonymous automate).
It captures as DV-AVI with good pal camcorder as Canon XL2.
The editor captured the raw material, then it is highly compressed DivX as a possible addition with reduced resolution. This file is transferred s.den Cutter. The editor converts the highly compressed material back into DV-AVI and to cut it. The premiere of Project (excluding the very small and temporary files without the source files) is transferred s.den editor. The renders it with the original source files to produce (short) clip and sends him s.den Cutter.
That sounds complicated and time consuming now on. But I could imagine that the workflow can be largely automated, and that the conversions with modern computers very quickly.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Since we have only the 2-Mbit lines have (on the synonymous editing system running), I must stop let's see how big the data at all were that I would have to transfer.
Do one (or several) additional ADSL line (s) with a static IP set, only for the video transfer.
Asynchronous spottbilig are in comparison to Syncronen and because the material is purely especially (of the main editorial of view then download), you can get the full advantage of 6-16 Mbps and thus more 'Uploader' use, where yes, if they are synonymous only ADSL have a limited upload bandwidth (about 600k-1 Mbit / s) is available.
The size of the file is less of a problem (I Hobbyist bucket than a few GB per month s.Videos on my hand-server! No P2P filesharing and illegal - and have only about 60kb / s upload) than the transfer rate - and if at headquarters only 2MBit are the x people must share, it's getting close and slow.
Next order to save bandwidth, the movies from the reporters already grossly be cut (if they downconvert template could look like for VirtualDub that with one click into a specific target format with clearly defined parameters can be converted synonymous before the data set to extra to save time).
That would clear the bottleneck synonymous with the cutter to prevent that the material cut again into the target format's encoding needs.
The cutter then cuts the compressed material and finely smart again encoded the final out.
If it's completely up to date should be, you can still synonymous ne live streaming solution tinker.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
So, if you 'have a good idea - I'm for (fast. .. ;-)) everything open!
That would be the following workflow (it is largely synonymous automate).
It captures as DV-AVI with good pal camcorder as Canon XL2.
The editor captured the raw material, then it is highly compressed DivX as a possible addition with reduced resolution. This file is transferred s.den Cutter. The editor converts the highly compressed material back into DV-AVI ........... How much kompremiern?
So XL2 is already ok, but in HDV, the resolution must not be "highly kompremieren" or scale is not really necessary.
....................
As mentioned already said Fire Tore solution and no preference what cam to use. Material is then stored on tape and hard drive captured.
Then the Fire Doors s.den Calculator device hang and rüberschicken.
How can this be gewerkstelligen.
Via Fire doors could be synonymous material already kompremiert records, whether as DIVX or XVID offer I can not say.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Meggs:
How much kompremiern?
So XL2 is already ok, but in HDV, the resolution must not be "highly kompremieren" or scale is not really necessary.
Compressing and scaling are entirely different things. If you ne DV AVI DivX konvertierst after it is compressed, so small in the sense of fewer bytes. If they are highly compressed (synonymous with highly compressed) it is tiny and so well by transferable data line.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... dozens of editors who are now suddenly make videos, although they never had a video camera in hand .... which had yet mitgeben external microns and perhaps show how they regulate the Aperture manual would be a simple overload ... . Klare target: mass ... Personally I like this development is not, and I'm not at all synonymous sure if the average visitor to a newspaper website really better than ten bad two good videos want to see, but the only s.Rande. And Jollitop can nix that anyway ;-)
... Canon XL2 ... The XL2 may have its advantages, but when I look at the specifications, it is for this purpose is totally wrong camera.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Meggs:
The XL2 may have its advantages, but when I look at the specifications, it is for this purpose is totally wrong camera.
Maybe, despite the recommendation was ne other targets.
Regarding the quality of videos produced so I think a lot like a newspaper, if du videos online, so this is a figurehead. Lieber and for less professional. It is a mistake to think of flash clips in 400x300 Resolutionsähe is no difference anyway. They should be quality of the mass take off YouTube.
The newspaper is synonymous (hopefully) not fully with poorly researched articles written in bad German, peppered with spelling errors, according to the motto: The mass machts.
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
The thread creator said yes, the external hack to use the cameras.
Hello, where a 4000 ¬ Camera in hand press?
No, what the need is not easy to use video machine, something like the Canon FS 100th For the 10 get XL2 Canon FS 100th With 8 external editors, you still reserve 2 cameras as if the Keyboard then disappear, break down, or in the ebucht land.
Ne XL2 is pearls before the p. ...
Antwort von Markus:
Then ask the cutter, the material for what he wants to have delivered ... This approach, I found very apt. The cutter is the one who knows (should know) what he can handle and what quality it needs to select a product to manufacture.
Then I would camcorders of the recording format, look, the one not too big, so it's good in the hand can hold (I do not accept that much of the Tripod will be filmed!), And the other, a good automatic so that the user is fully and completely on the content and the composition can concentrate.
These are a good directional microphone with windscreen on the camcorder and a few words about the sound recording (as close as possible ran s.die sound source, etc).
And last: The exchange does not have the recording format. What opportunities are there, should be called basic, but with the cutter will be discussed, because the order has to be mucking around.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ Meggen
;-) "Strongly Kompremiert" I like better than "high kompremiert" ;-)
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I think a synonymous version kompremierte easier and faster to be sent. DIVX / XVID offer because almost in .....
Top of the XVID quality to the target flash is absolutely ok ....
and for pure Net I use more than sufficient.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Meggs:
;-) "Strongly Kompremiert" I like better than "high kompremiert" ;-)
I like both do not - you write with compression i.
The XL2 was really only a suggestion - is meant a decent DV camcorder.
The basic idea of me was simply a workflow in which quality with preview cut, and with the high-quality original files will be rendered to the available bandwidth with the data to come clear, and still good results. That was a few years ago, for example with Pinnacle Studio or so, so tight back then to save disk space.
Antwort von Jollitop:
Thank you for the many - some very inspiring - Contributions.
With a little bit, going through the shooting and possibly copying of data beyond the editors should be not be charged. Also, for the hurdle with a large, heavy equipment will be kept as small as possible. The experience of the parent has shown that the fear of the post already in advance the "Lust" s.Videoerstellen takes.
Because obviously SD material of all the cams in MPEG-2 is encoded (at least nobody has contradicted me?), I need eh no AVCHD. We already have very good experience with the SR210-SonyDCR made. I have now ordered a fitting memory to the test.
And now again before discussions on here ignored flare Details:
- Sure, higher-Cam offers better quality. In our case it's motto is KISS (keep it simple & stupid).
- Of course (!), The editors trained as filmed is what respect is, what are no-gos, what settings there are and what they use and how to make a short film yet so sensible view (storyboard, etc.). Finally, the guys out the best in their equipment to get.
- And synonymous clear: There Tripods (at least monopod) and Aufsteckmikrofone for better sound (the ECM HST1 is really not bad).
- Finally, the whole s.einem PProCS3-Top Calculator with sound cut, dubbed and packaged.
Thanks & Regards,
Jollitop
Antwort von Daigoro:
Because obviously SD material of all the cams in MPEG-2 is encoded (at least nobody has contradicted me?), I need eh no AVCHD. We already have very good experience with the SR210-SonyDCR made. I have now ordered a fitting memory to the test.
All is not that loud SR210 datenblatt already.
And if that is the successor of the SR190 is not a bad decision.
Since the camcorder is a hard disk, I would have with the memory card garnicht so much, but with the hard drive. (Memory cards - for 4/8/16GB they offer rather small and relatively expensive. The reliability of a hard drive seems better).
The electronic data seems both of the cost than the synonymous rate (HQ Recording: 9Mbit / s, according to data sheet - at 1Mbit / s upload so take a minute to material about play about 10 min), even under suboptimal conditions of the physical shipment superior to .
As long as the offices of at least ADSL 6000 (wg. the 1MBit upload) and you still have ne extra line in the main office anschafft.
These are fixed costs in a manageable range, while transit - especially 24 or courier - variable costs, which can very quickly excessive if it is to create mass.
Antwort von Jollitop:
These are fixed costs in a manageable range, while transit - especially 24 or courier - variable costs, which can very quickly excessive if it is to create mass. I forgot: We will make every day a courier on a trip around the field offices. Physical exchange, so no daily videos no problem (which will be solved differently).
Antwort von Daigoro:
Ok, then yes this is not an issue.
Antwort von Jan:
Hi,
an HD camcorder is absolute nonsense - the data rates are not managed and used.
A 576i PAL camcorder, there will be.
Most camcorder with flash memory and hard disks used in the worst setting 3 MBit / sec.
The new flash memory Canon FS 100 (3 Mbit / sec) would be given the choice - because you have a microphone input of a cheap camera s.so rarely has.
If the 3 Mbit / sec necessarily have to be beaten, then you have with Canon, Panasonic Sonyand sometimes problems.
1.5 MBit / sec offer old JVC HDD camcorder s.and Samsung flash memory cameras.
JVC MG 575 (1.5 Mbits / sec) for example, which has a microphone input synonymous - which is not only more often (Model 2007).
Samsung often works with 1.5 or 2MBit/sek in the worst attitude.
VP MX 10 example, or a microphone input with VP HMX 10 C. The second camera is an HD camcorder, but synonymous with PAL 1.5 MBit / sec can be filmed.
VG
Jan
