Frage von SebiG:
Hello s.alle,
Once I thought my search for a suitable camera for me would be finally completed and the Canon would HF10/100 now is the right one for me, I was yesterday times a live look and was a bit surprised of the size. That these cams are small but clearly I was so small and particularly easy to me was not quite aware irgentwie. I am not a professional and do not intend in the near future, with filming to earn money but if I was movies, then I claim synonymous and I fear that I am with a camera, which is just as big as my hand is not the desired can achieve results.
I therefore first of the> 1000 ¬ cameras adopted and will now probably but to invest more. First of all, I am on the Canon XHA1 encountered what looks appealing and good quality accommodation. Therefore, synonymous only times the area around the 3000 ¬, because I have this cam in exactly this area have filed.
Now I have but with the Canon HF10/100 on a chip and FullHD Cam recording agreement and would be yes to the XHA1 HDV recording. This makes the enormously important for me after editing so much easier synonymous, the question is only because FullHD, which I actually quite like. If, however, without adequate Obtik eh makes no sense, then, of course not.
I have a very long time now about 1000 ¬ in the camcorder segment and is now before a new, unknown to me a mountain when it comes to Semi-Pro device is, therefore, I hope now that their synonymous me some useful advice you can give.
Incidentally, I am not under time pressure, one can therefore synonymous devices appearing on the future look, I would just like to have this year got my camera in my hands can hold.
So I'll hope you can once again shed some light into the dark bring.
Antwort von pailes:
I want me for some time been synonymous an HDV camera and could buy up to me right now not as between the SonyHVR-V1E and the Canon XH-A1 decide. I would have liked after a long time now and her almost to the XH-A1 and I bought it at the announcement of the Panasonic AG-HMC150/AG-HMC151E gestolpert, which proved to be very attractive camera and still presented this autumn on the European market appear . This increase in AVCHD on memory card, but as I said in the past been many problems with tape drives had, it would me the step memory honestly not wrong.
I am aware that AVCHD a lot of computing power in the post-production needs, but I have been synonymous DV editing of SD PAL material 8 years ago on a 400Mhz machine operated, I've not so hurry;)
If you step now want to make absolutely, I would be s.deiner place in any case for the XH-A1 decide. price-performance ratio is hard to beat.
Antwort von SebiG:
So as I said because I already fixed with AVCHD editing had expected, I'm still not abgneigt. Especially since the recording on the chip is generally a bit nicer.
I look after a few details for the Panasonic, even if the interesting features on offer it is worth to wait, I will surely make but it remains the XHA1 times until now still very high on my list.
Antwort von Zizi:
AVCHD is in my eyes is not yet mature enough to buy it!
And the pixel shift kake of Pana is not .. Of the FullHD, apart from the stickers are still far away!
No matter ... I personally advise you of the total from AVCHD panna .. you buy the Canon XH A1 which offers 5000 ¬ in the lower segment is the best picture quality!
tape or not .. nunmal it is currently the best and synonymous in 1-2 years will not change!
AVCHD has lost nothing in Semiprofibereich .. as synonymous in this area is much Sliced!
AVCHD was never designed to cut and now it suddenly appears everywhere on .. this will take a very long time (much much longer than DV to HDV) up so that you can work as it is synonymous of an expensive camera as expected ...
The only cam with the card you can buy is the SonyPMW Z1!
Everything else belongs in the serious toy cameras ala HF 100 etc ...
As, however, in your headline says you're not a professional? ..
Then you buy the SonyFX7 the automatic transmission has an excellent addition tolles P / L has at the moment .. but would have to wait 1-2 months because the more determined to 2300 ¬ will fall ..
Antwort von SebiG:
You've certainly right what AVCHD is concerned, actually it really makes no sense to cut the harder to make than it should be. Especially since I do everything from the camera will be cut.
The XHA1 seems synonymous really everything to offer what I hope so.
As I now indicates you recommend me the FX7 now because I wrote that I was not a professional? What would be because the advantages over the XHA1? So synonymous if I film only as a hobby, I need now is not necessarily a good many automatics to come clear. I think it's just nice to feel a lot of control over the pictures. Surely there is always the risk that initially only produced useless pictures but without the learning curve is so synonymous no fun.
Antwort von pailes:
AVCHD is in my eyes is not yet mature enough to buy it! What does it mean here "not mature enough"? The AVCHD - standard will not change much, it's only a matter of whether you can handle it well or not. But nunmal H264 is the better quality codec and synonymous at the moment when you might not yet have the processing power for real-time stories, so this is not necessarily a "no-go".
And the pixel shift kake of Pana is not .. Of the FullHD, apart from the stickers are still far away!
Full HD, the AG-HMC151 so do not synonymous, it is so positioned against HDV and it will probably easily afford. And I assume that some of s.Technologie the HVX into the HMC151 is migrated, so that's by far not a bad camera. Definitely better than the FX7.
No matter ... I personally advise you of the total from AVCHD Panna I would never advise a bit of what I had never previously seen. Perhaps the outstanding quality good? I would be with such a statement to hold back.
.. you buy the Canon XH A1 which offers 5000 ¬ in the lower segment is the best picture quality!
tape or not .. nunmal it is currently the best and synonymous in 1-2 years will not change!
The XH-A1, I'll give you right, but from my experience with tape drives, I think what other tapes are concerned.
Antwort von Zizi:
The fact is that the XH A1, the strongest and best camera is what I know of in the semi-area ..
In the processing AVCHD I always have a slight quality loss after cutting because the stream can not really spend!
As far as I know the pana new only marginally sharper pictures than even the DVC Pro 200Mhz Cam what the grotto pictures bad performance against a Canon!
Whether tape or card is no preference .. the quality and the whole camera and must be fit for me because there's still no exception to what the new SonyPMW per card which is good .. the rest can not be a Canon A1 Strin the offer!
The halt SonyFX 7 is small and handy features automatic very good .. furthermore ¬ 700 cheaper in the rest of the Canon is better Xha1 (Manual, focus, Lowlight, Ausst. etc etc)!
I had now shcon 7 AVCHD Cams .. only problem with converting, Play, cut etc!
And I've really tried everything .. Vegas 8 Pro, Pinnacle 12, Magix, CS3 Convert with Avisync, panasonic converter, various tools etc.
What it came out mostly because I was never satisfied ..
See here ZBS.
Antwort von pailes:
In the processing AVCHD I always have a slight quality loss after cutting because the stream can not really spend! As for synonymous and synonymous with DV HDV.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Zizi, hast thou since yesterday Controls the times in Vegas next exhausted? After all, why come back now, the pictures with the monkeys, which is definitely not on the acquisition format, but on the used encoder and its settings back to lead is?
Strange that I create it here, play the material, to cut and run synonymous. With significantly lower losses than your nice Äffchen image would suggest.
And if so, then I would rather the EX1 and EX1 anlachen, and not the A1 with its quite strong CA. Perhaps synonymous to SonyZ7, or the S270 E. Is synonymous but always a taste issue and of course price.
Antwort von Zizi:
Just go to ... I blage me with this format around forever to perfect as HDV archiving .. sheep but supposedly not ..
Did this not synonymous with Vegas hinbekommen better .. Picture irgentwie remains always looks black or only minimally better than the image created from! !
Well in any event, I no longer have the nerve for hours / days-long rendering and converting etc. and the Programs are synonymous to me too expensive! My HF10, I will sell ...
I stay in HDV the next few years because it is hardly likely to create the Manufacturer 2 years old XHA1 much to beat! (my opinion)
Why are the test pictures in the PMW EX1 Slashcam so milky and blurred washy? Is that really such a "bad" Picture day? Also mir gefällt das überhaupt nicht ... compares the times ...
A1:
http://produktdbimages.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_testbild_1200_lux_14.jpgEX1:
http://produktdbimages.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_testbild_1200_lux_42.jpg So I think despite the chroma noise ratio and the XHA1 is much nicer .. unfortunately I could not hand them myself but have the test pictures I like übrhaupt not (up until Lowlight)!
Achso, by the way, the EX1 will cost 4000 ¬ more synonymous than the thread openers shcätz I want to spend time ..
If the Chroma Effects really so much into weight?
Antwort von SebiG:
Hello Wolfgang,
So the cameras of your proposed increase but then far beyond the budget of beanschlagte me. You should not forget that I am of the mini camcorders in the field of semi-pro go and have this only as a hobby anyway look. A EX1 may indeed be sharp but the much higher but worth the extra charge is not actually for my purposes, as soon as I had not before with film to earn money. Perhaps I find so much pleasure as it, from the amateur to make but so far I have not yet.
Good, the CA is certainly a disturbing effect, but what I've seen so s.Testbildern, is now synonymous not so extreme and occur mainly under strong sunlight.
If one takes as a point of criticism, there is usually only positive s.dieser Cam. I think since I will only stay times, except, of course, there really are still reasons why I did not take the time but I am still very excited of the things I have read and seen.
A question would be, however, remains to be clarified. Unfortunately, I can not even begin with Firestone but only because I grad first heard them. So that's almost a hard drive solution for HDV cameras or how can one understand this?
What would it even further with accessories for the XHA1 from so there are still irgentwelche must-haves to get to the Camera treat it? So the really good and are not only as an optional accessories are?
Antwort von Zizi:
Fire doors is a small ZBS. 60GB disk you s.zubehörschuh ranmachen and s.die Camera can join.
This records the camera as it were, in each x arbitrary file on the disk .. AVI container or Mpeg 2, etc., without loss of quality ... how exactly this works, I can not tell you because I myself did not have just heard! should be pretty cool ..
accessories wär times the usual .. UV filter as protection and if you have too much money or a lot in interior spaces, etc. films about the H-72 Converter very good .. Otherwise, I would present times no accessories to buy anyway because you with timely notice of what is needed ..
Antwort von wolfgang:
Just go to ... I blage me with this format around forever to perfect as HDV archiving .. sheep but supposedly not ..
Did this not synonymous with Vegas hinbekommen better .. Picture irgentwie remains always looks black or only minimally better than the image created from! !
So you should enter a mpeg2-HD program stream, at least in Vegas itself reimporting can - that goes for me. And put the clip and the original in exactly two tracks with each other, can be determined by the upper limit switching clips compare the ideal thing.
What I'm most synonymous with a high set in mpeg2-HD 1920x1080 output see is just a very small increase the visibility of block boundaries. But in order to see that, does it have a very high quality output to a full-HD (Intensity Pro on 40 inch 1920x1080 for me). And you can see it only if you really atypical near s.den HDTV goes. For me, the point of that one quite synonymous near-HD s.full these differences no longer provides - for use of mpeg2 HD. For AVC still looks different.
Sure, we can once again all the settings in detail, if desired.
I will be the next test - the 1920 AVC encoder in Vegas will be available. Then the question will be whether it remains the first choice is to 1920x1080 MPEG2-HD, or just too AVC 1920x1080 or greater.
If the Chroma Effects really so much into weight? That is well and remains a matter of taste! The Canon A1 is indeed still a very good picture, and together with the XLR inputs, it synonymous in the Tonsektion very good opportunities. I say yes is not that this device is bad - I still synonymous in my now older FX1, and the many possibilities of the A1 yet, but in a good sum synonymous Picture.
So the cameras of your proposed increase but then far beyond the budget of beanschlagte me. You should not forget that I am of the mini camcorders in the field of semi-pro go and have this only as a hobby anyway look.
Of course, that I realize that these devices are more expensive - only you are now in a predicament. The Canon A1 is still a very good device, and it can work so perfectly. The devices ala EX1 seems to remain low in a political field, which, for the hobby is no longer easy to do - for most users.
The embarrassment of all these devices is, however, that the system boundaries have never ausreizen - these devices are of a small HF100 at least with respect to the horizontal resolution even beaten, but of course much more professional control (and therefore gain a total of these devices have to these small Fun camcorders, which are all Bildgüte):
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=7096
Nevertheless, what I s.der Canon A1 disturbed person, was about the intense debate about the CA. Discussions are already older, but still worth reading:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=3153
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?postid=51444 # post51444
Oh yes, and to satiety in Autumn comes with the 151E Panasonic AVC may be the first camcorder that is really professional (he) should be, and the price is not synonymous soo high like an EX1 will lie. We know about this product features, and yes, it will have AVCHD. But interesting, as it is against the above-mpeg2 HD and HDV bolides with its 24 Mbps AVCHD will propose. But may well be that this device synonymous its disappointments hand will hold - you will see.
So wait or not wait? I'm afraid the decision is difficult - and the ninth is you can really diminish.
Antwort von domain:
One of the most important differences between professional and Semiproficamcordern and Consumercamcordern is the choice, or adjustment of various gamma curves for contrast in coping with the reality of 8-bit recording procedures
Antwort von SebiG:
At the end it is only re-eh s.einer decision.
I see that as I said just as a hobby and that would be synonymous on my first entry into the consumer Semiproffessionellen area. Currently, I am very good with the ¬ 3000 for the Canon XHA1 friends. The EX1 comes simply not in question and even a 4000 ¬ device would have to be much better, finally, I want me a tripod, camera bags and other small accessories for sale.
For the first contact in a nice hobby is what I think has a good investment and what I of the XHA1 as read, but the positive outweighs considerably, so I almost hardly compromises must. And if I now ¬ 3000 for a camera and will output in 3-5 years, the world of storage medium completely different from anything the new convert to what is more synonymous sense. Then I maybe synonymous to 7000 ¬ auszuegeben since then I have experience with such a camera and can even tell me what's important. At the moment I can only rely on tests.
One thing I know to jedenfall ever. This Fummel Consumer Cams Now I am just too small and easy to become so I am now really well for a XHA1 decide. Thus I can gain experience and fun, I will probably no doubt have so much synonymous.
I am grateful to each case ever for the help and tips here in the forum, something really helps tremendously next.
ps How do you as a CameraLink s.besten s.so ran, so there are shops or do you prefer something more than online retailers, and if online retailers, then a dealer or does it synonymous Amazon and co. (Precisely what the price differences are)
Antwort von Zizi:
If you look at the Canon Xha1 to 2300 ¬ re you only want to do to "us" anhengen ... 3, then we have!
10 would we need then we do a bulk order and get the bargain for this!
Sign up for interest daniel.zanetti @ chello.at
otherwise ordered them miser to 3100 ¬!
Antwort von SebiG:
Ui 2300 ¬ more than just sounds a tempting option. Since then, I can still deep into the accessory pockets:)
I am then in the near future with you.
