Frage von 02VideoFaBI:
No, I am None of the AVCHD camcorders now examined and then edit his videos, what is almost impossible. As far as I know already about it ;-). Only I had a not too absurd idea:
The problem s.den new SD-cams like the Canon HF10 of is actually just the codec, in which the videos are compressed and stored (tell me if I was wrong assert). The hardware of this camcorder is for ambitious filmmakers actually not too bad (lack of viewfinder apart, but this cam is just a bsp). The disadvantage lies in the "Software", the video store, correct? So is the firmware of the Manufacturer's fault that the material can not handle.
Soo, now my idea: Is it not possible to change the firmware so that the cam "simple" with another, easier to edit, codec works? There may be some PC freaks, the so-slightly-how ... And with a matching codec plugin for the popular editing programs (Sony, Adobe, Apple, Magix, Pinnacle) is already found.
What would we do? Easy to edit material on modern stoßunempfindlichen and small storage! And this at a fair price. Would be great!
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I have no problem with the AVCHD footage to edit. Geht natively or via intermediate transcoding before. Your postulate that it would be almost impossible for AVCHD footage to edit, I can not understand.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
I think our "Wolfgang's" can you explain this better.
MPEG 4 - H.264 natively process for the calculator is an absolute must Qual Since several milligrams Ion computing tasks (the exact number I have not) be executed by the calculator.
Somehow you can buck the companies Sony, Panasonic and Canon buck because they have developed a format that is based on the present level technolgischen still too advanced.
The recording format simply lives in the future, today's technology is simply too primitive.
SW companies work feverishly s.einem stable system for this format - they are depending on the company to consider progress.
Since it probably will soon 4-8 core processors for less money there - should be the theme for the computer companies will soon have done.
Software companies like Avid and Adobe now give everything, but what do you want to make. That would be the same as if you are in Formula 1 with a Super Aguri would drive - a lost race ....
The format is developed and the companies are now not on kommraus vicious develop a new format.
And let us be honest, most customers do not want to do DV editing. Which extends the trim function and a PAL DVD or Blu Ray creation. It plays the AVCHD companies in the cards - so a simple SW the data.
The users represented in Slashcam have legally, but they are clearly in the lower figure. I think any time a maximum of 3 of 10 customer deals intensively with DV editing.
But time works for AVCHD.
VG
Jan
Antwort von domain:
About a change in the firmware is probably because can not do anything anyway, because the H.264 encoding on the Camera hard wired highly chips that are not code in the form of exchangeable commands must be executed. Would that be the case, they could hardly real-time encoding
Antwort von WoWu:
@ 02VideoFaBI
Well, with all the quatschigen bad news, here in the forum out of pure ignorance spread, can I use the notion of the thread starter, so absurt it may be synonymous, almost understand.
He is, unfortunately, because of all the toads cries fooled.
Bruno has already said ... it works already and will be with each month, which the companies have more time, the software on the market, the better.
Jan, it is synonymous grundverkehrt to think with more cores per processor would be the problem to solve ..... it is precisely not the computing power which is missing, but the load on the existing computing power.
Once aside the normal architecture of PCs synonymous to the office rather than in an average square would fit.
But even for such "crutches" holding company Accellerator cards offered to those synonymous "legs" to make.
Only a good implementation just needs her time and there is no doubt that it is H.264, one of the codecs are currently demanding, not just something for Grosch software vendor. A healthy degree s.Verständnis and the required license is a prerequisite for a good product.
Also have not yet Panasonic Sony invented the format .... these companies is simply attributable to that they are not s.den international standards and keep the customer instead of an HDTV format, rather an old format from the SD-4: 3 Time unterjubeln.
Sun, 02VideoFaBI, yet something that you like so geschmähten of format:
MPEG2 and MPEG4, almost at the same time, only that MPEG2 after a few years for digital television s.den had to start.
From the time when there were no significant changes and improvements to the already existing hardware in the market longer possible. MPEG 2 is therefore at the level of 1995.
All findings and improvements are completed in parallel flowed MPEG4 standard, which really only for interactive television is provided.
These are the innovations of nearly 15 years of intensive development work, adapted s.die continuous development of capacity in the computer of your so disreputable standard input.
Now you have the choice, you simply buy a device at the technical level of 1995 or you opt for a device that does not yet free of freeware is supported, the man "for free" from the Internet draws, but Pictures with a contemporary quality, an international standard TV and on the global development of the next 10 years likely will be concentrated.
What prevents you from having to buy old cucumber ... nothing!
So why is a good thing necessarily in the past "bomb"? Just because not every old PC mikrige processing creates?
Is this is a joke before?
Antwort von Jan:
I thought of was AVCHD Sony & Panasonic have developed (for the most part) - not as' read 'H.264. It is about AVCHD - yes, I would have to say.
Yes, the architecture is limited to me known, so I am happy to teach.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Now you have the choice, you simply buy a device at the technical level of 1995 or you opt for a device that does not yet free of freeware is supported, the man "for free" from the Internet attracts, but images with a contemporary quality, an international standard TV and on the global development of the next 10 years probably will focus ... I am certainly not the only one of your forum posts a clear recommendation for AVCHD read out and I doubt not at all synonymous, that this recommendation is technically sound. As far as I am just so amazed, but, is that you are in the various Internet nachlesbaren advertising for your book - and thus probably synonymous in the book itself - repeatedly and clearly distinct from one purchase AVCHD camcorder at this time advises against. How does that fit together?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
How does that fit together? The good man says Wunderlich ...
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Jan
Just for info ... Yet neither Sony Panasonic have since developed their own agenda ... what they have done, is the old MPEG2 standard for SD 4:3, the synonymous already had to excuse for HDV and with the things of the HDTV as defined by SMPTE is actually nothing to do, now synonymous in a format "hineingerettet" that is every man for an advanced format holds.
@ Bernd
And the answer already partially synonymous question. Still, I recommend that no AVCHD because it is not even HDTV with the name in common. But there are synonymous (increasingly) Standards s.Markt camcorder. But even those are still a while need to be developed until they are known as HDTV.
We all know (or can read), as HDTV is defined and we all probably have a good idea of what we as the producers of HDTV expect.
Anyone with
less expected, has two options, either he buys an old device that is synonymous makes no HDTV, or a new device that just makes no HDTV. Or he will wait until such devices are s.Markt. (Expressly excluding all devices in the format 720pxx) This is already ready for HDTV and corresponds exactly to the specifications. So if you HDTV quality along the future of television broadcasting wants to do is fully accessible.
Who but along the 1080 Standards make it you should wait.
Since AVCHD but synonymous in the 1920 description, take the restrictive remark regarding AVCHD too long, until 1920 it really synonymous dissolves.
But even then remains at AVCHD still a small blemish, because in 1920 there is no "25p". When our TV system that is one day of 720p to 1080p switch, it is still only in AVCHD spatial resolution of half a point, even if one of the 50i - 50p interpolated. They are still missing 50% of the resolution details. What is it then for a (compromise) - HDTV? Alternatively, the use of 24p, with the known interpolations.
All in all, AVCHD is a very weak product, but None of the weaknesses of the codec with something to do.
Bernd, you see, because I differentiate accurately and recommend only HDTV when it synonymous "drinsteckt" and not just as a colorful sticker "on it-peppt".
Insofar as there is no contradiction for me and I really would wait if I wanted to make 1080.
(Sehn times, which is from the
Scarlet) In this thread was the starter but explicitly to change the codec ....
@ Quadruplex
Thanks for the idea ...
Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:
OK, so that HDV to post more appropriate than AVCHD, you can believe I do not doubt it. So with my PC, I would perhaps still so you can cut AVCHD .... NEVER CHANGE A RUNNING SYSTEM!
If I were of an easy to edit codec speaking, it does not auto mpeg2 intentioned. There are certainly better (newer) codecs!
But ok, that with the codec change is apparently not possible anyway. pity.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ 02VideoFaBI
NEVER CHANGE A RUNNING SYSTEM! Since you will probably not someday come around.
There are certainly better (newer) codecs! True, the thing is: H.264
Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:
The future speaks h.264. The present is not.
Antwort von WoWu:
Is ... in living rooms are still synonymous with approximately 75% of 4:3 TV sets and only 0.3% of all TV households could ever see HDTV.
Welcome to the present.
Antwort von Spaceman:
Hi together, with the current computers can but AVCHD cutting. Hab mir NEN Quad PC for 500 euros and bought works wonderfully. Understand the problem, therefore, not quite. Could it be that many are still at the level of a year ago and are busy with discussions?
So people who are partially NEN camcorder for about 3000 EUR should probably still buy 500 EUR für nen current PC spare ;-)
Antwort von wolfgang:
Define times, what you exactly mean under cut. Hard cuts are easily made, and works as the real-time preview so synonymous in the current system well. But how it looks when multiple video filters drüber lie there, brightness and color for example, or even if one makes compositing?
Ich sags mal so: my of 2.4 to 3.3 Ghz overclocked Q6600 can of native AVCHD 1920s material straight 2 video streams in real time (on the current Veags 8b). For HDV, the more likely in the range 6-8 streams.
So, here is important to know which one actually believes.
But anyway: it would be wrong to say that the AVCHD you can not cut. Can. But there is more computing performance required, and are synonymous in modern quad HDV editing performater than with today's AVCHD material.
Antwort von WoWu:
Is limited ... it with computing power can be resolved is unfortunately a fundamental wrong information .... more computing power is just more heat.
What is important is the powerful software that performs intelligent load balancing and existing computing power synonymous to use white.
Then work the synonymous without exorbitant computational power.
Apart from that, AMD and PPC are considerably better processors of the architecture suitable than Pentium processors.
So, just for a good editing program to watch out before you buy unnecessary hardware, because without the software, in which the codec is implemented well, uses even the hardware is not brisk.
Oh, something else, such tasks as color correction + n effects and 10 video tracks are more a question of rendering and certainly not the real representation .... and that happens over night anyway. Or?
Antwort von wolfgang:
I said primarily, the time that more computing power for processing is necessary - for AVCHD, compared with HDV.
The fact that the software just for the real-time preview must be capable - of course. Such an evolution, we have seen synonymous with HDV, and AVCHD show at first products that improve opportunities synonymous here purely on the software side.
Things like color correction or effects will be naturally synonymous before Rausrendern live s.Screen see - things to adjust and can be assessed. From Page forth are enough good real-time capabilities in the preview perfectly relevant. Rendering is then the other thing ...
