Frage von becksgold:
Hi,
I would now be synonymous gradual loss times in the digital filmemacherei enter. 've read a lot, but still not my best solution found. it is clear to me only that I ne cam with disk-to have tied me into the house.
otherwise, I am not from the last pixel, but it should properly on nem 46er full hd lcd (samsung 46m86) look like.
So my question:
1. what AVCHD cam?
I think sony sr 5, 7 or 8? where are the differences in quality? disk size is clear.
2. what a pc?
I currently have a athlon 2600 with 1gb and with its X800XT-PE. times must be upgraded anyway. c2q 6600 with 4gb ram and vista 64bit? two hard drives? raid is necessary?
3. so I cut?
pinnacle 11? or maybe vegas 7? there are not bundles? it must, above all, very easy, I'm the ninth with a deep love of zb photoshop work but rather a convenient use of the "express versions" takes.
4. what format / how do I play from?
I have a xbox360 there could be as wmv hd-dvd to export. this is a great quali loss? I can with the other programs AVCHD discs burn without loss? which then play? with its playstation 3?
thank you for your help. you can see, there is no shortage s.geld, I always prefer to buy right once and then did my restless ;-).
s.besten and everything as simple as possible ... 'm curious ...
Antwort von Marco:
"sony sr 5, 7, or 8?" The SR7 and SR8 are apart of various storage capacities identical models. The SR5 has however a slightly smaller chip, only an electronic stability and no exposure compensation.
I would SR7 or SR8 to take, depending on the desired capacity.
"raid is necessary?" No, the data rates of these cameras are still much lower than for IR. You need as soon as possible (dual-) processor. Can be used for AVCHD not fast enough.
"There is not bundles?" Yes, there are currently at different SR models in over a hundred stores (mainly MM and Saturn) Vegas 7 (without DVDA) free with it.
Marco
Antwort von becksgold:
ok, so then sony SR7 or SR8. or maybe the new canon HD10? until october, I would have been more timely.
processor, I would always buy a quad ...
vegas program is as easy to use? there still remains the question than what I export and wodrauf I play?
Antwort von Marco:
"processor, I would buy a quad anyway ..." It should then be a synonymous, in which each core as much performance.
"Las Vegas is as easy to use program?" This question is not so easy to answer. Vegas is not a beginner program. However, many newcomers find themselves handling very intuitive. For others, the start possibly in Vegas just a little tedious. It is certainly in the handling much more complex than Pinnacle Studio, but functionally synonymous much more powerful.
You can indeed use the demo version of Vegas and download free and at various www.vegasvideo.de to gather background information. Nothing is more powerful than their own test.
Download from Sony:
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/step2.asp?DID=698
As a cheap and simple alternative is Sony Movie Studio Platinum.
Marco
Antwort von glumschie:
processor, I would always buy a quad ...
Since then, however, I would first verify that the editing program the 4 cores synonymous actually uses and how effectively, keyword symmetric utilization.
Greeting
Martin
Antwort von becksgold:
thank you for your help. movie studio platinum sounds somehow friendlier than vegas. I just want to cut, maybe a few times and musik titel einsamplen inferior and possibly without much qualitative loss.
there still remains the export-playing and ask? Recommendations?
Antwort von wolfgang:
Vegas 7 definitely uses the 4 cores for rendering, and especially where you need it. If you're in Germany, I would bundle the camcorder in Vegas 7 + up, no question about it. The alternative Studo Vegas Movie Platinum 8 (only English), I would then consider if the editing program I need to buy extra.
Also said to be 8 to Vegas sometime this year still coming - and some synonymous improved properties that will likely be relevant.
The players are one thing. Currently there are hardly any editing programs, export the AVCHD that it is on a conventional DVD can burn or even back in the camcorder can import. Pinnacle Studio may, at least the output from the timeline, whether the material in the camcorder can play back, I do not know. The rest of the editing programs learn erst remedies in the meantime there have the latest version of Nero, with the man under renewed AVCHD encoding on conventional DVDs can write - to AVCHD DVDs which are then many BluRay players can read (synonymous PS3). Nero has already synonymous authoring a simple function onboard.
Real BluRay burners there, the lapse of time in the prices, but soon are still around 400 euros. And an authoring tool that you need then still synonymous. The BluRay player are synonymous still priced in ruins, are currently at 1000 as the euro, the synonymous to self-DVDs can. More information about this meeting point in the video.
Alternatively, do you do in the meantime, the output m2t HD, and plays the material of SC200, Xoro HSD 8500 or from TViX-HD (the latter may be the last generation AVCHD synonymous).
Antwort von becksgold:
Super, Wolfgang, thank you! This confirms my forebodings. When I re-encode anyway, I can just as synonymous WMV HD export and my X360 from the plays, right? Hmm, that is still waiting? Somehow this sounds not so really its lasting solution. Perhaps it works so until Christmas or so;) ...
Or I try with Nero. Is the resource-hungry and because I can not synonymous Soundtrack rebuild?
Gruß,
Sven
Antwort von wolfgang:
wmv HD synonymous only makes sense - especially because it usually only available as 25p, and expects forever. Personally I still prefer DivX HD, and the synonymous plays from Xoro (wmv HD synonymous, I think but only to 720 25p).
To Nero solution was more said:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4125
However soundtrack add - I do not know if that works. For me the solution Nero interesting because the first is AVCHD DVDs which can, and even with Simler Menus, synonymous to the BluRay players run. But the quality is improved.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
I want to but because once again the fundamental question of whether to go for current date AVCHD should do. The treatment options are rather limited, the available cutting solutions to convert AVCHD to HDV editing ohenhin order. The issue / distribution has one with similar problems as AVCHD with HDV (yes this was discussed). I would take HDV ...
Antwort von Marco:
"cut the available solutions convert AVCHD to HDV editing ohenhin in order." Nee, the majority of the AVCHD can the non-synonymous change.
Marco
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Nee, the majority of the AVCHD can the non-synonymous change. Did I just caught the c't 16/07 ...
Corel Ulead Video Studio 11 plus, but in AVCHD (the timeline of VideoStudio) not even a trace of the right to play. "
Cyberlink Power Director V6: no AVCHD import.
Magix Video deLuxe 2007/2008 plus, but just as tough as Video Studio. The software offers, in MPEG-2 to convert - then we can therefore reasonably work.
Pinnacle Studio 11 Ultimate: AVCHD is unnecessary as long as you do not use effects.
That is a rather mixed picture ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
The list is not exhaustive:
- Ulead Video Studio 11 +: native import and editing, but play very bad performance. But the proxy interface, which is not a bad option.
- Pinnacle Studio 11: native cut, quite good performance
- Vegas 7e: native cut, quite good performance
- Vegas Movie Studio 8 Platinum: native cut
- Edius s.4.5: native cut s.4.5 possible experiences are still lacking a bit because the only thing s.8.8 officially comes. Alternatively Canopus HQ codec
- Magix: native editing, or using mpeg-2 intermediates
So the native cut gehts perfectly - the bottleneck is now surely the performance here. The halt is limiting, and in some systems reasonably well, others still deplorable.
Antwort von nesquik:
Hello,
synonymous because I have a question again!
I'm just synonymous what I f. an camcorder to buy ...
PS3 and Blu-ray burners are already available! I take it rather a HDV camcorder, because it is easier to edit? Or can the AVCHD data synonymous to a Blu-ray disc burn with no data loss! If Blu-ray burns, yes that must be still in the format of the Blu-ray will be changed, if I read correctly ds!
nes
Antwort von nesquik:
I again ...
It is my first camcorder:)
Presented as this model? Sony HDR-SR5
Or maybe the Sony HDR-SR7?
There are still about 300 ¬ difference! So how much better is this camcorder?
nes
Antwort von wolfgang:
PS3 and Blu-ray burners are already available! I take it rather a HDV camcorder, because it is easier to edit? Or can the AVCHD data synonymous to a Blu-ray disc burn with no data loss! If Blu-ray burns, yes that must be still in the format of the Blu-ray will be changed, if I read correctly ds!
Nes, quality losses, you will always have, ever, because it is time to my knowledge not a single editing software, what can smartrendern AVCHD. The material is always recalculated. If you are an unlucky searched, it will be before the creation of Blu-Ray disc again recalculated (Nero 7.9x makes apparently so).
And yes, you have the material in a structure take BluRay which either AVCHD or MPEG2-HD can be based - is both conceivable.
Do you already have an authoring tool for BluRay - as much because there are still not affordable in Prosumerbereich? Roxio DVDit Pro HD is expected at the time only with mpeg2 HD work.
http://www.roxio.com/deu/products/dvdit/dvdit.html
For other differences AVCHD - HDV camcorder to read you have a look here the purchase advice by:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4169
Antwort von Basti.S:
The process according br AVCHD disk should not result in data loss
lead, but a quality loss, it is by encode / codierprozesse
safely enter.
perhaps would be the cx6 as small immerzurhandcam very interesting
synonymous again but would be more favorable (such clips is here http://www.fxsupport.de/) ...
generally, all the AVCHD cams with safety always cheaper ...
gruß cj
Antwort von wolfgang:
Stimmt, hast recht - meant loss of quality.
It is important: with good encoders likely, this loss of quality when rendering a single generation but did not see.
Antwort von Betatester:
The list is not exhaustive:
- Vegas 7e: native cut, quite good performance
again such Wiener ichbinbetatesterHalbbildungsbeitrag.
Vegas can only of SONY AVCHD cams. All others remain outside.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Vegas can only of SONY AVCHD cams. And do you really, B.?
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Antwort von Quadruplex:
And do you really There are at least several AVCHD Profiles ...
Nette opinions relating to, there's
Antwort von Jan:
I again ...
It is my first camcorder:)
Presented as this model? Sony HDR-SR5
Or maybe the Sony HDR-SR7?
There are still about 300 ¬ difference! So how much better is this camcorder?
nes Since we would like on the SR 7 Page as advantages:
-Viewfinder
real-jack 3.5 mm microphone input
better Anglemit Wide-40 mm (41.3 SR 5)
Headphone output
-optical stabilizer
Photos with more Resolution6, 1 million - (4.6 million in video mode)
- Bigger hard drive to 20 GB
- Wheel Dial for gerngenommene settings without going into the menu such as:
- Focus & Aperture - at SR 5 only in the menu on touch screen
- AE Shift (general Exposure Compensation)
- WB Shift (White manual value change is a color correction quickly reinzubekommen)
What you need them, must be decided. The SR 7 is selling quite well, you can see manual diversity is not
forget the customer.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
... perhaps a contribution to ACVHD "native cut". Please once the specifications of H.264 watch, then you will see that the native would make cutting out only if you s.Anfang or a s.Ende cuts and the GOP is longer than AVCHD HDV. Once you frame exactly want to cut, or a crossfade sets, or only synonymous anything on video like, nothing is more with "native cut" .. There is really very nice and precise and very detailed literature drüber ... Forget it just is not that AVCHD to HDV very significant advantages has. The can, however, quickly became the devil, if you transferred to another codec that is of his algorithm is not adapted .... And if the NLE as to write "native" will be times they say what happens at an Aperture. It is an asymmetric coding H.264 and requires an enormous computing power required. AVC Compression requires approximately ten times more processing power than MPEG-2. To HD with AVC compression - are 600Mrd. Arithmetic operations per second are required. Today's CPUs are powerful, but their structure is not always appropriate for all video editing processes suitable. If you have questions, I can wait with detail ...
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Antwort von WoWu:
... ach, Jan ...
I've even forgotten to mention ... recently has a Final Cut Pro forum compare two video set ... and since the JVC rather be ... Picture from her that which .... I want to see if I still find the link, then I send it to you ... as JVC shows you the first picture of her in ...
Antwort von Jan:
Thank you, sometimes I have regretted it, the HD 7 to incorporate business. The price of approximately ¬ 1599 is simply not justified.
The optical stabilizer is partially unusable really, 10x zoom without a tripod is impossible for me - I rarely have a worse stability at a used camera. Well the non-existent manual Tonaussteuerung is rubbish-yes yes, I knew beforehand. But there is at least one meter for an external Micro. Headphone output has been so synonymous forgotten. Slashcam has so synonymous in an article revealed that Full HD nobody actually needs.
Why on SD cards only the SP quality film can be determined only knows JVC. The value of the camera, the focus ring (at least in comparison with the Dail Wheel (SonySR 7 & 8) and Canon HV 20 wheels, and the very good color fidelity have fallen.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Why on SD cards only the SP quality film can be determined only knows JVC. Schnittstellen-/Kartengeschwindigkeit is not enough for HD? Or?
Antwort von wolfgang:
... perhaps a contribution to ACVHD "native cut". Please once the specifications of H.264 watch, then you will see that the native would make cutting out only if you s.Anfang or a s.Ende cuts and the GOP is longer than AVCHD HDV. Once you frame exactly want to cut, or a crossfade sets, or only synonymous anything on video like, nothing is more with "native cut" .. There is really very nice and precise and very detailed literature drüber ...
So the literature would be interested in me, really.
Because: From practice, I can say that I am neither of Vegas 7e users, nor of Pinnacle Studio 11 users of the previously mentioned restriction when you native editing of AVCHD material heard.
These two NLEs yes import AVCHD natively in the timeline, now synonymous Edius 4.51c. And yes, the GOPs are 30 or 40 with quite long, long ago who would have noticed if there are these problems really would.
But the developers probably have these editing programs found a way to circumvent the problem. What I do not synonymous introduce terribly difficult - it's just around the time-line display and comes Rausrendern of the material, the O-material is so stable on the plate.
Antwort von Marco:
This is probably a misunderstanding in the use of the term "natively" ever occur again. Originally had the term "native" only if the entire processing line without a change could happen, for example purely DV, DV editing, DV out - without being somewhere with a real rendering and decoding Neucodierung should take place.
The Manufacturer but have used the term out and hergebogen and completely differentiate eg between native and native processing cut. The native interface should only include that material, without prior conversion imported / scanned and in the timeline can be processed. It includes but is not the issue with native one.
A native editing of GOP-based material is in many programs quite popular (because the actual data by the nondestruktive functioning is not yet changed), a completely native editing including native output without synonymous only a single frame of a GOP to touch, However not.
Marco
Antwort von Jan:
Why on SD cards only the SP quality film can be determined only knows JVC.
Schnittstellen-/Kartengeschwindigkeit is not enough for HD? Or? Well yes you would have to specify which class of memory cards
you need. With Full HD are with VBR max 30 Mbit / sec, ie 3,75 MB / sec - it should be a range of Class 4, in the worst case hold a Class 6th Who knows what JVC thinks.
For Panasonic SD 5 / 7 gehts so synonymous with Full HD on a memory card.
VG
Jan
