Frage von Chezus:
So, since I am in the next week to buy MacPro (2.66 GHz with 5GB Ram) synonymous of course, I want only the best thing.
Many have said that Final Cut is the best editing software is just how it looks after the release of Adobe CS3 suite?
Premiere is perhaps not much change but how it looks with the other programs that are (as in the Master Collection)
What alternatives are there?
Thus
Final Cut: Premiere (Final Cut better?)
Motion: After Effects (with After Effects is better)
DVDstudio Pro: EncoreDVD (with DVD Studio should be better)
soundtrack pro: Sound Booth (???)
... : Photoshop
... : Illustrator
... : Flash
The Master Collection is of course much seehr in the process of which I can certainly do a lot (who does not?)
InDesign CS3
Photoshop CS3 Extended
Illustrator CS3
Acrobat 8 Professional
Flash CS3 Professional
Dreamweaver CS3
Fireworks CS3
Contribute CS3
After Effects CS3 Professional
Adobe Premiere Pro CS3
Soundbooth CS3
Encore CS3
Adobe Bridge CS3
Version Cue CS3
Adobe Device Central CS3
Adobe Stock Photos
Acrobat Connect *
Dynamic Link
Pros
Adobe OnLocation CS3
Ultra CS3
So pretty much (price around 3700 euros)
And everything runs on Mac
What say you? Final Cut Studio or equal CS3. Or. Programs can be individual, such as Photoshop, Illustrator and Flash in FinalCut integrate well?
The step must be carefully considered, is not exactly little money
Antwort von Eva Maier:
So if I would change really, after all, Apple has already done desktop publishing, since Windows still has an office computer.
I can not imagine that there is not what the processor should zugeschnittenenes.
If you have Windows nachtrauerst, however, you should not buy Apple.
My opinion!
/ E
Antwort von Chezus:
On Apple's switch werd ich sowieso. I'm almost.
The CS3 suite is yes then synonymous to Mac.
I now only go to the software
Antwort von Forumgeist:
Hi
Suit is in German not only in a few weeks available to German English ?.... if you do not disturb it would be of course no preference (based on experience, I said but that the mother tongue in such extensive programs of disadvantage is not!).
a direct comparison can certainly employ synonymous difficult, because (as you probably already have noticed) any raves for the program for which he has chosen the combination of FC and Premiere on a system, I am not yet come. (because of course the current full version of CS3 is not yet available).
My personal favorite is either in the video image, as in Still, the software from the Adobe home, so I can achieve the best workflow than with other systems (MAC), therefore experimental dochmal FC with a friend or dealer to test (or a course with to make).
in any case I congratulate you for the decision is also a MAC user to be!
unfortunately you have only the price for CS3 Master list ..... I am like I said in FC net so firm, you can maybe the price difference in pay and display look for how much ¬ Uronen you need to spend more to get CS 3, or otherwise, if FC you buy all you need but still synonymous additional programs for the same scope as to get the CS3 ... what are the cost that would be the question.
At times of G4 were the product packages are often cheaper than an alternative program to buy individually.
ghost
Antwort von mixmax:
Hm .. hard decision. So if you all would need additional programs, I tend to Adobe. After Effects / Photoshop and Illustrator are also professional industry standard to ensure their money is resisting. You could of course you the synonymous Programs individually put together but then the beautiful integrity away.
Antwort von Chezus:
the Production DV editing package for 2600 Euro would not cost a lot more than the old with the same scope (with flash I think it is)
Difficult difficult
Under the current reporting was much improved
Antwort von PowerMac:
This is somehow a difference between how things are.
First Motion versus After Effects. Okay: After Effects can do more, has much more features and is a great all round and solid program. And now comes the
but: it's a very nice chunk of program. Little intuitively difficult to understand and not necessarily made for quick compositing. Motion is visually appealing to me, is intuitive, can be very much in real time and has already condemned many examples / Templates and Pre animations here. Since I am a very big fan of them, of prefabricated Animation / Compositing! For example, abdominal bandages, title, quite cool effects - all this and there's rand full DVDs with other animations vorgebastelten to buy. I need it quickly and often cool. I'm more of a graphic designer who is "inspired" and can adapt and steals, as one of the fundamental neubastelt. You need these templates do not even use in Motion, only they
can be of immense advantage. Just as After Effects is often the functions of motion is superior, but less is WYSIWYG. And for hard cases, there is then shake, which is very much can and very good quality. Above all, it is very cheap. Of the former 10,000 to like $ 500 now. The workflow between Motion, Final Cut, DVD Studio and Shake is definitely brilliant. The files are passed through a click in FC and a marked area is a new Project in Shake with all levels. At this point I would like to advertise Compressor: tolles batch conversion program. And use MPEG Streamclip (no preference whether Premiere or Final Cut)! Free Download. Order and with nothing else to convert it quickly and professionally.
With DVD Studio Pro, it is relatively clear. Professional DVDs produced only DVD Studio. Encore seems to me to be a lousy and less compatible program. DVD Stuio here combines a lot of great templates with impressive intuition and damned at the same time many features. This can not go wrong.
Soundbooth versus Soundtrack: I know only the sound booth and the beta had almost no features in comparison to Soundtrack. Soundtrack is a half-Logic with the surface of a garage band paired with 20 GB of audio samples. Sound Booth is too new and too bad.
Final Cut vs. Premiere: I believe Final Cut clear. Premiere is still no professional format. What am I without all the new HD format? What non-P2? What no XDCAM? It is synonymous with premiere neatly
cut, but the rest I do not like that much. Final Cut had nested sequences, and twice as much as Premiere MenuItems an allegedly professional was 6.5. Precisely what we mean by "tools" will be essential professional features, the premiere afaik not available. In FC is somehow more, there are more options and support the professional format is lengths better. Batch conversion is synonymous not so great: Compressor is better. Is probably synonymous one taste thing. But you can still work well with Premiere. Meanwhile, it is synonymous more real-time performance.
I would say that Final Cut Studio in the upcoming version 6 for students to buy, perhaps to shake and Photoshop for Students. That's enough. [/ B]
Antwort von mixmax:
... The Master Collection is of course much seehr in the process of which I can certainly do a lot (who is not ?)... I guess I could give them about 3 a.m.-5 p.m.% "natural" to use (more likely 3 as 5). That is still zusammengekaufte software that is only partially compatible. With the mastery of many different surfaces and the understanding of the different architectures requires more time than I for the practical application would be available.
The industry lives of amateurs who think with comprehensive software to make better videos to be able to, and of professionals who believe that with the extensive Pro Softwares their status underpin them. And this one says that a lot of un (ge) useful software called his own :-)
How BigMac said, Less is More.
And when I entered the camp of the "apple eater" would change, then, to finally of all the infirmities of the PC world to be freed. Da würd ich Adobe and all the others from the PC world forget.
Antwort von Wiro:
Another contribution relating to (from my point of view):
There were video area in an island for years, which Apple (Mac)-called Iceland, and the inhabitants lived happy and satisfied, without regard to the wide world outside the island to care or worry about them. They lived their lives and were in agreement that it is perfect and no one was their way of life has grown.
Suddenly there was such a thing as a "globalization", and s.den shores of the island, landed a foreign ship, the jewelery from a completely different (PC) world brought. Native twitched together whether this interference in their affairs. How - where - what? We are the largest? What gives?
One (of course, not bitter serious) consideration of
Wiro
Antwort von Chezus:
Please do not use Apple vs.. Microsoft postings that there are sufficient. Everything has its advantages and disadvantages, I have in any case (especially in the field of DV editing) from Microsoft, too many disadvantages and many advantages for Apple, that the change is worthwhile.
One sees that everything piecemeal approaches:
Apple has Intel processors at once
Vista looks more and more like Mac OS X.
The Programs are synonymous similar, even seems to Mac Office ...
The Adobe programs seem synonymous again all on the Mac
blablabla pipapo Firlefanz ... I'm not interested!
I rise on Apple for now and ask me what I cut Suite for an apple computer buy.
Student version is not so with me because I run the whole commercial, ie so I Earn Money. Since I can indeed be a "legal backup" make a friend (did I say now?)
Well, back relating to
I will, as it looks for Final Cut and decide to hire a few Adobe applications (Photoshop to pencil)
The Core (DV editing) is just for Final Cut better. And After Effects is arg complex. Even Gerhard Koren (of video2brain) says that he often forget how much work because it was so extensive.
Antwort von domain:
...... and the inhabitants lived happy and satisfied, without regard to the wide world outside the island to care or worry about them. They lived their lives and were in agreement that it is perfect and no one was their way of life has grown.
Excellent Wiro if synonymous something pathetic and sentimental. Stage, once again another generation before that, in contrast to PowerMacDonalds less educated and not knowing, but still liebenswertere manners and pleasant language dominates duct.
LGD
Antwort von chocoloco:
I can only confirm the opinion of PowerMac.
definitely avid or final cut (xpress) for a good cut .. final cut of learning goes alone .. avid is always the deer in the area have been profitable, but especially in the already heavily advertising crumbling. the film looks more important details because of something different. final cut is definitely ne other class to see the premiere.
shake is the best solution for compositing / VFX on mac. you can argue here maybe on combustion but imho already less but whether or motion after fx .. shake price performance is top.
photoshop standart and is somehow None should be missing in the Assembly version is always synonymous. the rest depends on the real needs and working (after purchase).
I make the tv filmkram very professionally and my opinion is on my own experience .. I will not ignite war convinced software.
a lot of fun with the mac .. ne good choice.
Antwort von DWUA:
Hello Chezus,
double congratulations!
First to be your birthday yesterday, and secondly to your
Decision for your new "toys / tools!
An example for you, so we have very good experiences:
The "package" purchased "Tiger" (4x1024 MB), plus Final Cut Studio 5.1.
These of the PowerMac recommended ATI Radeon x 1900.
For fabulous 4326 .- gross (5% while you will have to reckon, because you are not training in the field are. Expects Apple as a multiplier effect, as synonymous here you can see straight).
Thus we have for some time enough s.Bord features, some of them
we barely use 50% (need) to very good to stand and with any other editing program keep.
If we have a certain "economy" about "purchases" here
s.den determination, it is connected with the idea, which probably
in 3.4 years will be. We do not know. Until then, this "investment" in the wind shot.
You need not be synonymous with long "torches."
ps
Still something to the exterior. Repeatedly MacUser design fetishism accused. The reality looks different.
The "handles" are best suited to touch and wear, the perforated front and rear not only look good. Who ever bow to the back of a calculator durchgeschaut has
understands that this is only for the cooling of asset.
The away side in an instant, everything is before you.
We call this "functional design".
Still, nothing against our "bowl" next to it!
You are responsible for their destination reliably and for us.
Antwort von Rovi75:
Can I just follow - am synonymous last year from PC to Mac Pro and switched the system is really a bang. Had concerns because the calculator quite fresh on the market was when I had bought him, but this time Apple has done a good job - no problems so far with the box.
However, do I still bow to Final Cut Pro, since I have more of Avid Fan bin. Had me FC of course synonymous times and it just somehow experienced a boom, but it really convincing, I found that not everything (which somehow looked after toys ;-)).
But when it comes to HD, has FC at the moment ahead, as for example with HDV Avid still no native way. This is just the P2 workflow in the new Avid Xpress 5.7 has improved significantly and FC processes the MXF files are not native to the HVX200 (which must first be converted), while Avid so that no problem. It is holding a professional solution and so perhaps the lack of synonymous HDV support (is more of a consumer format), but now no longer necessarily an argument may be (but since Avid has a lot to do).
price performance in FCS is, of course, unbeaten and ensure you get a good package, so you can do almost everything. Wait, I would, however, has yet to NAB and what FC6 ones.
With respect, I use Combustion Compositing - Shake is too complicated, but if you look at the trouble, because that is sure to incorporate a good solution (such as the Power Mac has already written) and now very cheap (you get the already well under 500 Euro).
What you do in any case will come, it is Photoshop, because that is on the Mac, the quasi-standard and certainly not without reason.
When I now see the possibilities, I would s.Deiner agency synonymous FCS combined with Photoshop recommended.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) What - where - what? We are the largest? What gives? (...) Your accusation is already stereotyped as the actual content.
Antwort von Rovi75:
hi
because some really are convinced of FC, I am looking forward to a small report about your "running" system Chezus. I must confess that I was trained on Adobe (primarily Still Image), I can imo not unlike them to swarm.
ghost
Antwort von Rovi75:
btw Wiro,
very well written ..... thank you!
However, I came of a neighboring island on which were 50% / 50% win / mac exploited.
Unfortunately, I can not put into words how du
ghost
Antwort von DWUA:
Hello Guest,
it would be better, however, you would 100% / 100% MAC / WIN to use;)
Sincerely,
Antwort von Forumgeist:
Hi
sry but depending on what system I use does not log in properly.
because I do not believe war would like to begin, I write now that this is not synonymous with the IE 6 happens.
ghost (spirit forum)
Antwort von Chezus:
Hm, I've already thought of Photoshop that I do not come around drum. Above all, I have with Photoshop for a long time since my aunt gewerkelt media the designer is and has for years been working with Photoshop. Thus, I am very familiar as synonymous with.
Although not completely synonymous cheap.
What's as alternatives to Flash 8 or Flash CS3?
@ DWUA
I've mentioned somewhere times when I've Birthday, and we know ourselves? In any case, thank you :-)
The offer sounds not bad.
I liked the Apple dealer made the following offer:
Apple MacPro 2.66 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT with 256 MB
5 GB of RAM
250GB hard drive
3 year warranty, and he tests the Mac predict whether everything fits with a particular program (but will make every dealer, I think)
2900 Euro (incl. VAT)
What are the advantages to me because the Ati Radeon? I do not anything with 3D, I still have 2 Apple Cinema 30 "display.
For DV editing goes but the GeForce, right?
Antwort von Rovi75:
Mhhm, price may leave you apply (if the 3-year warranty included). However, the remainder - up to 5 GB of memory - the standard version and the you get with the 250'er plate for 2325 euro (see www.mackauf.de - because you can put together a).
There's memory for dsp memory.de and if you get there 2 x 2 GB modules to buy (229 per module), then the out. If that is a dealer on the spot, I would buy because - in case a problem Contact valuable.
With so much memory you should still wait until Leo - OS 10.4 my knowledge can only max. 4 GB of addressing (like in Windows), because only the Leo a full 64-bit system will be.
It is always the question whether one really needs 5 GB (certainly better than too little longer, but here it's around 500 euros just for memory, which is a little at the moment is).
The graphics card actually goes off - the ATI is definitely better for gaming, but synonymous louder (the 7300'er is passively cooled, making the system makes a pleasant quiet).
Antwort von PowerMac:
Pass on two things!
1) Take the Radeon! If you will work with Motion (and you
will work with Motion, it is hardly different for quick compositing), you need graphics power. Motion calculates almost
everything on the graphics card.
2) Wait until the NAB. Perhaps new models come with eight processors cores and / or faster processors, and the prices are cheaper.
Have fun with your device!
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) OS 10.4 can my knowledge, only up to max. 4 GB of addressing (like in Windows), because only the Leo a full 64-bit system will be. (...) Not quite. 8 or 16 GB go. But 10.5 is better. Another reason to wait a little: 10.5 Leopard.
Antwort von Rovi75:
True, the 8 core machines were sometimes incorrectly in the online shop to see, are almost certain (only if already on or NAB but only in June and at what price remains to be seen).
But NAB, I would wait synonymous - is already s.16.4. !
As for the graphics card is concerned, but then must be a peculiarity of his motion. Combustion runs with the 7300'er as the sow and Avid anyway. That was when I switch my biggest worry, because I always have a Quadro card in the system have wanted, but the 4500'er in the Mac Pro would not pay ( 'ne'3200' he would have served synonymous - cost on ebay not the world ).
When I had everything but the first test and saw I was glad to have saved money. Even the particle effects, which almost always my PC to its knees have run absolutely delay-free with the card - so I see no reason for a Quadro, as long as one does nothing with 3d.
The ATI is synonymous quite loud - but if the motion needs, then take hold, the ATI (Motion not know).
Antwort von Chezus:
The Octacore with the Mac (or, as the then ultimately mean) I've heard synonymous. But it makes so much from the end (of price)? I do not like it once was at Apple when new processors are escaped, as the prices will drastically fallen.
It is always said if you need a computer should you buy him the same as what is constantly changing. And I need it as soon as possible. Not that this will still drags on forever until the prices fall.
Bez Leopard: Apple OS synonymous if always a performance increase brought with it will always be discouraged though the first versions to get. Dear with the old (current Tiger) because the work is mature, etc. .. you know, yes.
An ideal solution is unlikely to give at the moment.
Antwort von allesgutevnn:
hi chezus,
a clear yes to the Mac and Final Cut Studio (soon to be synonymous with a new version 6), I work with Final Cut Pro since version 1.0. --
meanwhile, the program is very ausgreift studio and through the bundle of price-performance ratio not be topped. p2-import is also not
thema, files of the HVX200, I have no problem in Final Cut Pro geschnitten --
However, a clear yes synonymous
to After Effects on the Mac ... I personally can not drumrum me all the Adobe stuff also zuzulegen: Ae, Ps, Flash, Illustrator, etc Premiere and Encore just not ;-)
for Flash, there are no alternatives.
gruss!
Sebi
ps:
"The Programs are synonymous similar, even seems to Mac Office ..."
Microsoft Office has been around for years on the Mac,
the first version of Word there was only for Mac OS.
@ guest: "... I would Adobe and all the others from the PC world forgot."
Do not forget: Adobe was Mac-only comes not from the PC world ...
Antwort von Chezus:
As I said, I just do not know now whether I have Final Cut Studio 5.1 buy now or should wait for version 6. Firstly, I will present the current version no longer able to behave the other hand, it is then but, as in a car
Should I get the cart with rain sensor and parking buy it even though I might not need, or not yet? If the car is equipped with more than one month later, I take as much cost but with more rather than less. Lieber and have not used as a wish to use and then but do not have.
It is indeed only for NAB known what changes the new Final Cut with raises. Perhaps then the Shake successor Phenomenon with it already, who knows ...
Is probably little awkward but when I look at the entire hardware and software now on the devil come out shopping together.
Incidentally, I've a few videos to Final Cut and Co. views and I'm completely convinced. Echt geile software, one can say what you want
Antwort von allesgutevnn:
I would wait for the NAB is quite s.14.4. ...
Antwort von Axel:
It is indeed only for NAB known what changes the new Final Cut with raises. Perhaps then the Shake successor Phenomenon with it already, who knows ... Whether Phenomenon actually in the package with dabeisein is, I doubt (of course you would win a lot). Shake any case I believe is a valid alternative to the AAE, as you will not look back.
As an islander, I am so obdurate and unworldly as it is asserted ourselves, but Photoshop (CS1 goes completely, synonymous to Intel) still wins against the Aperture demo, which I dutifully did probiert guilty. Is not synonymous uninteresting, that in the manuals FCS (Final Cut Pro, DSP, Motion) many references to Photoshop, but no entry for Aperture takes place.
Antwort von Chezus:
I was really surprised how cheap Shake 4.1 actually is, or has become. A real bargain.
I float (currently) the following programs before
Final Cut Studio (with Motion 2, etc.)
Photoshop CS 3 (or CS2)
Illustrator CS3 (or CS2)
Flash CS3 (or 8)
Shake 4.1
Is there anything to add?
With After Effects, I've tried more than studying. Is echt arg complex.
How far do you with Motion 2? We come as quickly s.seine borders or can you over a longer period of time discovering new and animate?
Or. Shake is quite difficult or even easier than After Effects.
And finally @ Axel: the NAB would you wait? Concerning hardware and software
Antwort von allesgutevnn:
I do not know what you are so stress: a very clear YES, waiting from the NAB. We are talking here about something more than 14 days (starts s.16. S.14.4 and not) and if you then 8 instead of 4 core, FCS6 instead of 5 (probably for the same price) and get other things, it is perhaps cheaper.
Whether the 8 cores vrs. 4 more really get is another matter (the first benchmarks were in my opinion, somewhat disappointing, because as yet no full-chip quad is: Intel has just 2 dual cores on one chip together and now have the 4 instead of 2 cores share the bus who may have clocked slower - but perhaps because it has been optimized, or something similar to the other tricks), but the fact is that probably should not be expensive and if the new models will have a 4 core instead of 2 x 2 core that may be the next to the power button.
Certainly you should buy everything when you need it, but the NAB is in the area happens to be the most important exhibition and when it's not you 14 days to arrive: WAIT.
Synonymous, incidentally, I do - I want to buy me a HVX200 and although it is clear that there are no new revision of the Camera will give what might otherwise come (Prices slip, Camera with P2 cards gebundelt or similar).
Antwort von Chezus:
is gebongt (God hears gebongt perhaps scheiße an)
I just stand under increasing time pressure. With me, everything fairly quickly. From hobby to business, website online, receive requests, orders accepted and of course the cut. With my current system of Horror.
Re car comparison: imagine you have always an old Fiat Panda driven and now expect your Audi RS4.
I can with the old mist just not much and wants to reach with Final Cut just good results. Incorporation synonymous brauch ich ja noch.
I am also an impatient man seehr. With me, everything has s.besten happened yesterday.
My girlfriend is always distance if an order has lag times.
That is why I so boring after
Antwort von PowerMac:
Then just drilling times where different if they studied distance.
Antwort von allesgutevnn:
:-) - PM, which was good.
Nee, I can understand, but the training course you must not under-estimate synonymous (did you even recognize). Shake is actually anything but simple - constructed with a little quiet since a long training period.
Antwort von Chezus:
naja so well was not. Monkeys called das ;-)
Antwort von Chezus:
Since mid-March there was not more Crossgrade for Final Cut because the NAB is imminent.
Now I would have but for a version of Ebay for about 600 euros seen in the times I did not mitgeboten. I, however, the auctioneers a direct purchase (probably at similar conditions).
Now ask yourself: is it worth even more now a Final Cut Studio version to buy (if it is so cheap), or should I still wait?
The version is identical with the "normal" version, without the manuals and is upgradeable.
Antwort von Axel:
Wieso eigentlich "without manuals? Is the ¬ 600 for a complete studio 5.1? Then I would buy's. As I think someone previously wrote, you can use yes but not everything, and sometime you need to buy, otherwise it waits forever.
Antwort von Chezus:
You can get yes times
this Final Cut Studio 5.1.
Could actually fit, right?
Has similarities with the cell phones from a contract extension. Completely the same only cheaper
Antwort von PowerMac:
Personally, I would be hot to new Final Cut Pro features and would wait ...
With the calculator, it is okay. How lame is not. Even if something newer comes.
Antwort von Chezus:
The calculator is sowieso 10 times faster than my current. I buy me one way or the Xeon stocked. Just stop any cheaper. That is still out.
For you new features are of course more important than for me because I use the latest features of Final Cut and Co. did not even know. And, as I've ever said, rather than what too much is enough.
I think I wart echt scheiß the exhibition from.
Was not so keen on the E3 trade show since 1996 (or even wars 94)
BTW: Currently I use the geographic area of the back on anyway ... first new Screen (arrived yesterday) and then new software someday the computer without the garnix I actually use it. Neither software nor Screen
Antwort von PowerMac:
So now it's time! 8-core Mac Pro. Buy!
Antwort von Bousquet:
Fesch Prices, the new 8 core units and very interesting that even 8 months after my purchase of the Mac Pro (medium configuration) yet no price has slip (on the contrary, slightly increased by the VAT increase ..) - there's the I predict with normal PC's never been!
Antwort von PowerMac:
The thing is synonymous einfach geil!
Antwort von Chezus:
I thought that this could happen.
The Cinema displays are cheaper but have become. As far as I've read somewhere on the NAB, the new one but synonymous.
4 core Mac is synonymous rich but me. The price for the 8 core is a synonymous Weng happig
Antwort von PowerMac:
But a synonymous Weng damn fast.
Antwort von KuggaufdieGoldkette:
jo da guggsch close
Antwort von etch:
Whether the actual "damn fast" will be remains to be seen: the bus is still the same and now have only 8 instead of 4 cores have to share same.
Somewhere there's but it was only benchmarks (AnandTech believe I had the dual dual-core Macs with the 2 x 4 core CPU's upgraded) and they were actually not as exhilarating or as severe worth surcharge.
Sure sounds 8 Core marketing technically great, but if this really brings so much remains to be seen and no optimized software worth less synonymous.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Especially in the field of graphic and video section, there are a lot of optimized software. I look at AE and Photoshop CS3 Extended to 8-cores excited.
